Re: [meteorite-list] Anne Black IMCA (was NWA 6292 2.110 gram)
Barry, Thank you for having the courage of writing this apology. And I most certainly accept it. I would only ask one thing of you (and most everybody else on this List): PLEASE Don't believe everything you hear or read, double-check the facts, verify your sources. Believe me, it will make a huge difference. Again, thank you. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) --- In a message dated 8/25/2010 2:04:31 AM Mountain Daylight Time, bhughes5...@gmail.com writes: I don't know if this made it to the List, so I want you to see what I tried to post and was addressed it to you anywaysorry, Barry -- Forwarded message -- From: Barry Hughes bhughes5...@gmail.com Date: Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 3:46 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Anne Black IMCA (was NWA 6292 2.110 gram) To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com I would most profoundly like to apologize to Anne Black...Anne, I apologize!! I was way the hell out of line and the result of a misinformation accumulation 'in my mind' resulted in my forgetting that my actions could possibly cause bad feelings in a person I don't even know!!!The worse possible thing I can think of doing, I did. I appreciate the courage of friends emailing to straighten me out without embarrassing me further. I don't expect anything Anne..but your feeling better. That's all I wish for... The Very Best... Honestly and Apologetically... Barry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Anne Black IMCA (was NWA 6292 2.110 gram)
Hi Martin, Thank you for expressing so well what I beleive many of us (IMCA and non-IMCA members alike) feel about Anne and IMCA. I have known Anne (via email and phone) for several years and feel we have become good friends. She has always been very helpful to me, answering questions and connecting me with people that could offer assistance in a project I am researching. She and I (and Norbert Classen as well) have had a number of email exchanges about meteorites and also non-meteorite related issues. When I happened to mention to Anne that I was going to do a meteorite presentation at the local middle school, she immediately offerered to donate a book to the class! For reasons unknown to me, the list occasionally sees someone go off about IMCA and how corrupt it is. I've been a member for several years and have never seen any evidence of anything that was dishonest on the part of any IMCA board person or member. I have seen several occasions where people made accusations against IMCA that are unfounded (and often shown to be unfounded by Anne) but , oddly enough, the accusers never apologize (at least publically) when shown that their comments are simply not true . I am proud to consider Anne Norbert my friends and I am proud to be a member of IMCA. If people choose not to join, that is their right. They do not have the right to slander or libel good people based on stories they are told off list. Best regards, Charley Butterfield IMCA 6123 Message: 1 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 11:42:01 +0200 From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 2.110 gram To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: 000901cb404b$f0f36940$d2da3b...@de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Carl, yes, probably you better shouldn't have pressed the send button. Neither you, Barry. Of course everyone is free to express his opinion, but the form it happened in, is not acceptable. Here you have the list archives: http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html There you will find not a single posting by Anne, where she would have insulted any person. And certainly Dr.Jambon feels not insulted by her. On contrary, in a silly brawl about possible pairings of stones, silly, because they still are in the totally normal process of classification - caused by the impatience of some list-members, she called on the list-members to do that, what one could expect from any mature meteorite collector, to demonstrate the patience necessary and to wait until the results of the analyses will be ready. And furthermore she got committed to exchange samples of the questioned stones, between the scientists involved in the classification processes, which in the end now seems to work, so that the matter can be solved by scientific criteria to the full satisfaction of all interested in that question. Ann Black has made of a chance for a legitimate I tell you Barry, what Anne has made. As co-founder of the IMCA she made the meteoritic world a safer place for everyone, also for you, introducing new standards into the meteorite trade, which got more and more widely accepted. And she created with IMCA a contact point for conflict resolution for participants in meteoritics and a place for advice in meteoritic questions and a source of information about meteorites. And that open to everyone and that free of charge for everyone. And like the other founders of IMCA, she did this in thousands of working-hours absolutely unpaid. That is certainly more, than to type an imprudent mail in the head of a moment - lock, stock and barrel condemning everything, what one even doesn't know, and to attack with inacceptable wordings a person, to whom the meteorite community owes respect and gratitude for that, what she has achieved for that community. Everyone is free to dislike and to criticize IMCA, but I think if that's done in public, one should try to stick to facts and should abstain from personal decrials. I'm sure, that when you'll have slept on it, you'll think similarly about that. Martin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Anne Black IMCA (was NWA 6292 2.110 gram)
That was very well stated, Charley! All of the people on the IMCA board are very honorable persons, without any doubt, and I am glad I happen to know some of them in person. Hats off to that folks, who have done and do a lot for the collector and dealer community, in a most positive sense! No one should forget: they volunteer for that, and they are elected on a regular, annual basis, by quite a lot of members, so there is absolutely nothing wrong about that, as some recent posts to the list unfortunately may have suggested... Alex Berlin/Germany Old hound as a collector, IMCA #0042 Original-Nachricht Datum: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 18:16:38 -0400 Von: Charley cm...@columbus.rr.com An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Anne Black IMCA (was NWA 6292 2.110 gram) Hi Martin, Thank you for expressing so well what I beleive many of us (IMCA and non-IMCA members alike) feel about Anne and IMCA. I have known Anne (via email and phone) for several years and feel we have become good friends. She has always been very helpful to me, answering questions and connecting me with people that could offer assistance in a project I am researching. She and I (and Norbert Classen as well) have had a number of email exchanges about meteorites and also non-meteorite related issues. When I happened to mention to Anne that I was going to do a meteorite presentation at the local middle school, she immediately offerered to donate a book to the class! For reasons unknown to me, the list occasionally sees someone go off about IMCA and how corrupt it is. I've been a member for several years and have never seen any evidence of anything that was dishonest on the part of any IMCA board person or member. I have seen several occasions where people made accusations against IMCA that are unfounded (and often shown to be unfounded by Anne) but , oddly enough, the accusers never apologize (at least publically) when shown that their comments are simply not true . I am proud to consider Anne Norbert my friends and I am proud to be a member of IMCA. If people choose not to join, that is their right. They do not have the right to slander or libel good people based on stories they are told off list. Best regards, Charley Butterfield IMCA 6123 Message: 1 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 11:42:01 +0200 From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 2.110 gram To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: 000901cb404b$f0f36940$d2da3b...@de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Carl, yes, probably you better shouldn't have pressed the send button. Neither you, Barry. Of course everyone is free to express his opinion, but the form it happened in, is not acceptable. Here you have the list archives: http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html There you will find not a single posting by Anne, where she would have insulted any person. And certainly Dr.Jambon feels not insulted by her. On contrary, in a silly brawl about possible pairings of stones, silly, because they still are in the totally normal process of classification - caused by the impatience of some list-members, she called on the list-members to do that, what one could expect from any mature meteorite collector, to demonstrate the patience necessary and to wait until the results of the analyses will be ready. And furthermore she got committed to exchange samples of the questioned stones, between the scientists involved in the classification processes, which in the end now seems to work, so that the matter can be solved by scientific criteria to the full satisfaction of all interested in that question. Ann Black has made of a chance for a legitimate I tell you Barry, what Anne has made. As co-founder of the IMCA she made the meteoritic world a safer place for everyone, also for you, introducing new standards into the meteorite trade, which got more and more widely accepted. And she created with IMCA a contact point for conflict resolution for participants in meteoritics and a place for advice in meteoritic questions and a source of information about meteorites. And that open to everyone and that free of charge for everyone. And like the other founders of IMCA, she did this in thousands of working-hours absolutely unpaid. That is certainly more, than to type an imprudent mail in the head of a moment - lock, stock and barrel condemning everything, what one even doesn't know, and to attack with inacceptable wordings a person, to whom the meteorite community owes respect and gratitude for that, what she has achieved for that community. Everyone is free to dislike and to criticize IMCA, but I think if that's done in public, one should try to stick to facts and should abstain from personal decrials
