Re: [meteorite-list] Book: The Rock from Mars: by Kathy Sawyer
H IGrag, Oops, sorry. Meant Greg. -Walter - Original Message - From: "Walter Branch" To: "Greg Stanley" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 6:44 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Book: The Rock from Mars: by Kathy Sawyer Hi Grag, I enjoyed the book very much. It's on my bookshelf now. It is easy to read and not too technical. You get some insights into the thinking of the scientists involved in analyzing ALH 84001, from Robbie Score (she found it) to David McKay (of McKay et al.), including some scientists who are list members. It's also very inexpensive. Used copies in great condition can be found on Amazon for oly a few dollars. Oh, and anyone who thinks scientists are always cold, emotionless and completely objective with motivations purely scientific, read this book (among others). -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: "Greg Stanley" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:37 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Book: The Rock from Mars: by Kathy Sawyer List: Has anyone read the book, "The Rock from Mars?" what are your thoughts? Is it worth buying? Greg S Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2011, at 7:47 PM, bill kies wrote: I can't believe I read the whole thing. Bill Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 22:36:30 -0400 From: danfur...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] regarding post of NWA 001 question PLUS careless IMCA member O.k. Everybody, I have spoken to the IMCA member who tried selling me the NWA 001, after i confirmed with Adam Hupe and Dean Bessey and several other people who know a lot about this meteorite and i knew for certain it was practically impossible to have a "half stone" of NWA 001 that weighed 16 grams i went ahead and i confronted this IMCA member. It turns out that he apparently "misread" the label and it was not NWA 001 but that it was NWA 010. This is the second critical error this IMCA member has made. The first major error was when i ordered a .76 gram of lunar meteorite from him. He sent me a .23 gram piece instead of what i had paid for and i sent it back to him for a refund. His excuse was that his scale might of been off, but if that is the case then why was this item listed on ebay several times and one of the times it actually sold which means the buyer canceled the transaction and/or returned the item. Then his excuse changed after i sent him several pictures of the piece weighed on different scales of mine as i own over 6 scales and showed him the same weight of .23 grams on each scale. His new excuse was that he had two pieces and mailed me the wrong piece. So then i said o.k. no problem mail me the right piece and then he came up with another excuse stating that he is not sure where the bigger piece is because his son took it. So after i mailed him back the item for a refund is when he tried to sell me the NWA 001 instead of the refund which i became suspicious of when he stated it was a half stone and only after did i confront him about it did he tell me he made a mistake in reading the label. Two critical errors in a row made by an IMCA member makes me wonder a lot of things. I have recieved several emails asking about who this person is and it seems that all the people who are emailing already suspected somebody and they all suspect the same person. I do not want to give his name in a public format because i do not want to cause any problems for this person and maybe both times his mistake were honest mistakes. I have been selling and buying meteorite and meteorite related material for many years and I have never made such critical errors let alone twice in a row I have always been honest and double check everything i sell to make sure problems like this don't happen. I feel this member has behaved very carelessly and even if these mistakes where of an honest nature i think i never want to deal with them again. I am sorry that this experience has made me question the validity of IMCA logo's and i will be extra careful in the future when buying anything from anybody i don't know whether they are an IMCA member or not, one of the best dealers i know isn't an IMCA member and i never had any problems with him... I hope nobody has to go through the same experience i am going through right now just because somebody doesn't pay close attention to what they are doing when conducting business. Like i said there is a small chance that fraud was involved but even if these were honest mistakes they are unacceptable according to my standards and the way i do business. Rest assured anybody out there who deals with me i would never make such mistakes and I always take the up-most care to ensure that what you buy from me is as described and authentic and i double check everything before i ship it out and i th
Re: [meteorite-list] Book: The Rock from Mars: by Kathy Sawyer
Hi Grag, I enjoyed the book very much. It's on my bookshelf now. It is easy to read and not too technical. You get some insights into the thinking of the scientists involved in analyzing ALH 84001, from Robbie Score (she found it) to David McKay (of McKay et al.), including some scientists who are list members. It's also very inexpensive. Used copies in great condition can be found on Amazon for oly a few dollars. Oh, and anyone who thinks scientists are always cold, emotionless and completely objective with motivations purely scientific, read this book (among others). -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: "Greg Stanley" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:37 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Book: The Rock from Mars: by Kathy Sawyer List: Has anyone read the book, "The Rock from Mars?" what are your thoughts? Is it worth buying? Greg S Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2011, at 7:47 PM, bill kies wrote: I can't believe I read the whole thing. Bill Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 22:36:30 -0400 From: danfur...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] regarding post of NWA 001 question PLUS careless IMCA member O.k. Everybody, I have spoken to the IMCA member who tried selling me the NWA 001, after i confirmed with Adam Hupe and Dean Bessey and several other people who know a lot about this meteorite and i knew for certain it was practically impossible to have a "half stone" of NWA 001 that weighed 16 grams i went ahead and i confronted this IMCA member. It turns out that he apparently "misread" the label and it was not NWA 001 but that it was NWA 010. This is the second critical error this IMCA member has made. The first major error was when i ordered a .76 gram of lunar meteorite from him. He sent me a .23 gram piece instead of what i had paid for and i sent it back to him for a refund. His excuse was that his scale might of been off, but if that is the case then why was this item listed on ebay several times and one of the times it actually sold which means the buyer canceled the transaction and/or returned the item. Then his excuse changed after i sent him several pictures of the piece weighed on different scales of mine as i own over 6 scales and showed him the same weight of .23 grams on each scale. His new excuse was that he had two pieces and mailed me the wrong piece. So then i said o.k. no problem mail me the right piece and then he came up with another excuse stating that he is not sure where the bigger piece is because his son took it. So after i mailed him back the item for a refund is when he tried to sell me the NWA 001 instead of the refund which i became suspicious of when he stated it was a half stone and only after did i confront him about it did he tell me he made a mistake in reading the label. Two critical errors in a row made by an IMCA member makes me wonder a lot of things. I have recieved several emails asking about who this person is and it seems that all the people who are emailing already suspected somebody and they all suspect the same person. I do not want to give his name in a public format because i do not want to cause any problems for this person and maybe both times his mistake were honest mistakes. I have been selling and buying meteorite and meteorite related material for many years and I have never made such critical errors let alone twice in a row I have always been honest and double check everything i sell to make sure problems like this don't happen. I feel this member has behaved very carelessly and even if these mistakes where of an honest nature i think i never want to deal with them again. I am sorry that this experience has made me question the validity of IMCA logo's and i will be extra careful in the future when buying anything from anybody i don't know whether they are an IMCA member or not, one of the best dealers i know isn't an IMCA member and i never had any problems with him... I hope nobody has to go through the same experience i am going through right now just because somebody doesn't pay close attention to what they are doing when conducting business. Like i said there is a small chance that fraud was involved but even if these were honest mistakes they are unacceptable according to my standards and the way i do business. Rest assured anybody out there who deals with me i would never make such mistakes and I always take the up-most care to ensure that what you buy from me is as described and authentic and i double check everything before i ship it out and i think everybody who deals with meteorites should do the same thing. Daniel Furlan collector and dealer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-l
Re: [meteorite-list] Book: The Rock from Mars: by Kathy Sawyer
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 20:37:35 -0700, you wrote: >Has anyone read the book, "The Rock from Mars?" >Is it worth buying? I haven't read it, but it has been on my "wish list" at Amazon for a long time, and every time I've noticed it, there have been hardback copies for 1 cent. I'd say give it a try, since you can get it for essentially only the cost of shipping. http://www.amazon.com/Rock-Mars-Detective-Story-Planets/dp/1400060109 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Book: The Rock from Mars: by Kathy Sawyer
List: Has anyone read the book, "The Rock from Mars?" what are your thoughts? Is it worth buying? Greg S Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2011, at 7:47 PM, bill kies wrote: > > I can't believe I read the whole thing. > > Bill > > >> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 22:36:30 -0400 >> From: danfur...@gmail.com >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: [meteorite-list] regarding post of NWA 001 question PLUS careless >> IMCA member >> >> O.k. Everybody, I have spoken to the IMCA member who tried selling me >> the NWA 001, after i confirmed with Adam Hupe and Dean Bessey and >> several other people who know a lot about this meteorite and i knew >> for certain it was practically impossible to have a "half stone" of >> NWA 001 that weighed 16 grams i went ahead and i confronted this IMCA >> member. It turns out that he apparently "misread" the label and it >> was not NWA 001 but that it was NWA 010. This is the second critical >> error this IMCA member has made. The first major error was when i >> ordered a .76 gram of lunar meteorite from him. He sent me a .23 gram >> piece instead of what i had paid for and i sent it back to him for a >> refund. His excuse was that his scale might of been off, but if that >> is the case then why was this item listed on ebay several times and >> one of the times it actually sold which means the buyer canceled the >> transaction and/or returned the item. Then his excuse changed after i >> sent him several pictures of the piece weighed on different scales of >> mine as i own over 6 scales and showed him the same weight of .23 >> grams on each scale. His new excuse was that he had two pieces and >> mailed me the wrong piece. So then i said o.k. no problem mail me the >> right piece and then he came up with another excuse stating that he is >> not sure where the bigger piece is because his son took it. So after >> i mailed him back the item for a refund is when he tried to sell me >> the NWA 001 instead of the refund which i became suspicious of when he >> stated it was a half stone and only after did i confront him about it >> did he tell me he made a mistake in reading the label. Two critical >> errors in a row made by an IMCA member makes me wonder a lot of >> things. I have recieved several emails asking about who this person >> is and it seems that all the people who are emailing already suspected >> somebody and they all suspect the same person. I do not want to give >> his name in a public format because i do not want to cause any >> problems for this person and maybe both times his mistake were honest >> mistakes. I have been selling and buying meteorite and meteorite >> related material for many years and I have never made such critical >> errors let alone twice in a row I have always been honest and double >> check everything i sell to make sure problems like this don't happen. >> I feel this member has behaved very carelessly and even if these >> mistakes where of an honest nature i think i never want to deal with >> them again. I am sorry that this experience has made me question the >> validity of IMCA logo's and i will be extra careful in the future when >> buying anything from anybody i don't know whether they are an IMCA >> member or not, one of the best dealers i know isn't an IMCA member and >> i never had any problems with him... I hope nobody has to go through >> the same experience i am going through right now just because somebody >> doesn't pay close attention to what they are doing when conducting >> business. Like i said there is a small chance that fraud was involved >> but even if these were honest mistakes they are unacceptable according >> to my standards and the way i do business. Rest assured anybody out >> there who deals with me i would never make such mistakes and I always >> take the up-most care to ensure that what you buy from me is as >> described and authentic and i double check everything before i ship it >> out and i think everybody who deals with meteorites should do the same >> thing. >> Daniel Furlan >> collector and dealer >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
