Re: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin......
Helpful suggestion: If you are using Microsoft Outlook express for e-mail, simply click on "message" on the bar at the top of the screen (to the right of "file"); then click on "block sender". Two little "clicks" (time involved < 3 seconds) and your annoyances with repetitive nonsensical posts that clutter up your mailbox and prematurely wear out your delete key will be past history! :=) Ron - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. > > << Well Brad, > Let's get this strait: there is no (price) instability, there are > "legitimate" falls and finds - meaning, I suppose, the others (NWA, in > particular) are "illagitimate" and prices are "holding steady." You have > enlightened me to such a degree I have placed your emial in the folder I > formerly reserved for posts from Mohamed and I don't mean Ali. > Keep on truckin', dude. >> > > > Careful, Michael - > > I got roped into a much-too-long and much-too-loud argument with Brad a while > back, just because I maintained that prices are determined by market forces, > i.e., the nuances of supply and demand. That seemingly simple and > self-evident statement became a long, dragged-out discourse which I regret in > hindsightbut very it's tempting to get drawn in. ;-) > > Gregory > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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<< Well Brad, Let's get this strait: there is no (price) instability, there are "legitimate" falls and finds - meaning, I suppose, the others (NWA, in particular) are "illagitimate" and prices are "holding steady." You have enlightened me to such a degree I have placed your emial in the folder I formerly reserved for posts from Mohamed and I don't mean Ali. Keep on truckin', dude. >> Careful, Michael - I got roped into a much-too-long and much-too-loud argument with Brad a while back, just because I maintained that prices are determined by market forces, i.e., the nuances of supply and demand. That seemingly simple and self-evident statement became a long, dragged-out discourse which I regret in hindsightbut very it's tempting to get drawn in. ;-) Gregory __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Meteordealer wrote: > What instability??? Most legitimate finds and falls ARE holding steady. > I'm a dealer. I compare the market prices of many meteorites on a daily > basis. Just about all of them i look at are the same price they've always > been or more... > Brad Sampson > __ Well Brad, Let's get this strait: there is no (price) instability, there are "legitimate" falls and finds - meaning, I suppose, the others (NWA, in particular) are "illagitimate" and prices are "holding steady." You have enlightened me to such a degree I have placed your emial in the folder I formerly reserved for posts from Mohamed and I don't mean Ali. Keep on truckin', dude. Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Yes i compare prices on a daily basis. I have been dealing with meteorites for 9 years and i spend aprox. 6 hours a day comp shopping other dealers websites and Ebay. I would like to know how i am profiting from discussing the reasons as to why Moroccan finds are dropping in price? That's the purpose of this list afterall is to discuss meteorites. Matteo brought up the subject in the first place so don't go attacking me like i popped up out of the blue and started knocking NWA's. NWA's are perfectly fine if that's what you like. I've actually sold a few myself which i got named and am having analyzed. I just said that Moroccan finds seem to suffer from the wildest price swings when compared to other meteorites. I mentioned a Kansas stone as an example because there are a great number of finds that were plowed, (or ploughed), up in Kansas. Probably more so than any other state. I would like to change my previous example to Texas in case anyone else is offended by a fictitious meteorite from the state of Kansas and feel that i'm somehow trying to "promote" something. Wagon Mound is being offered for the same price i offered it for years ago. Valera was intially offered for $8g-$10g, so $6g on Ebay isn't far off the norm since most meteorites sell for less at Ebay. The Russian meteorites you mentioned are SELLING for 2 or 3 times the Ebay prices once you go outside of Ebay. Murchison has always been $75g except in small fragments where it has and still does list for $100g. Actually, for your information, i bought a crusted Murchison about 5 YEARS ago for $40g. I guess that means it's almost doubled in value since it's at $75g on Ebay now, right? Prices can be deceptive since they vary based upon the size of the piece and the quality. If you weren't enticed by my new Kansas meteorite on Ebay when it was at $1.00 that's OK. I'm not sure what untrue facts i "spit" out for profit, maybe you can point them out to me. Brad Sampson[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: MARK BOSTICK To: Meteordealer ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 1:21 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. Since you are compare market prices ON A DAILY BASIS and only seem to notice Zagami and Kapoeta has dropped in price. I will bring up a few ither then Brahin. Lets see Chinga Sikhoteoh theres a big one... How about Wagon Mound? Thats stable right? Valera? When it came out it was $10.00 a gram. Let me know how much you want for say $6.00 a gram. Murchison was hitting close to a hundred a gram a year ago and sells for around $75 a gram now. I think that is just an EXAMPLE of the currant meteorite market. As far as you selling Shergottite for $75 a gramlets hope they had better experience with you then I did. Itsn't it strange to see you attack NWA's and promote US finds and mention a Kansas stone shortly after you start selling one? As many list members know I live in Kansas and have been recently collecting Kansas meteorites more. Your $1.00 eBay starting bids wasn't enticing to me.. List members know I have not attack others on the list before...although I have felt attacked at times. But when someone is going to spit out untrue facts for their own profit.. Thats my 10 cents worth. Mark Bostick "The Big Collector" - Original Message - From: Meteordealer Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. What instability??? Most legitimate finds and falls ARE holding steady.I'm a dealer. I compare the market prices of many meteorites on a dailybasis. Just about all of them i look at are the same price they've alwaysbeen or more. Zagami and Kapoeta are about the only ones i can think of thathave tanked. Mainly because at the time they were just about the only SNCand Howardite you could get. People were willing to pay an arm and a leg toget one so they could fill that hole in their collection, thus the inflatedprice. Their price was based upon the rarity of the material. Now SNC's andHowardite's are everywhere thus the novelty has worn off and the price hasgone down. As far as dealers "dumping" the old stuff to get cash doesn'taffect the retail value unless they unload a large percentage of the TKW.Whoever buys it from them will most likely keep it or re-sell it for aprofit so in a sense the price will stay the same. The TKW of MOSTlegitimate finds and falls is pretty well known so the supply isn't going togo up and kill the value as it does with NWA's. If a farmer in Kansa
Re: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin......
Since you are compare market prices ON A DAILY BASIS and only seem to notice Zagami and Kapoeta has dropped in price. I will bring up a few ither then Brahin. Lets see Chinga Sikhoteoh theres a big one... How about Wagon Mound? Thats stable right? Valera? When it came out it was $10.00 a gram. Let me know how much you want for say $6.00 a gram. Murchison was hitting close to a hundred a gram a year ago and sells for around $75 a gram now. I think that is just an EXAMPLE of the currant meteorite market. As far as you selling Shergottite for $75 a gramlets hope they had better experience with you then I did. Itsn't it strange to see you attack NWA's and promote US finds and mention a Kansas stone shortly after you start selling one? As many list members know I live in Kansas and have been recently collecting Kansas meteorites more. Your $1.00 eBay starting bids wasn't enticing to me.. List members know I have not attack others on the list before...although I have felt attacked at times. But when someone is going to spit out untrue facts for their own profit.. Thats my 10 cents worth. Mark Bostick "The Big Collector" - Original Message - From: Meteordealer Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. What instability??? Most legitimate finds and falls ARE holding steady.I'm a dealer. I compare the market prices of many meteorites on a dailybasis. Just about all of them i look at are the same price they've alwaysbeen or more. Zagami and Kapoeta are about the only ones i can think of thathave tanked. Mainly because at the time they were just about the only SNCand Howardite you could get. People were willing to pay an arm and a leg toget one so they could fill that hole in their collection, thus the inflatedprice. Their price was based upon the rarity of the material. Now SNC's andHowardite's are everywhere thus the novelty has worn off and the price hasgone down. As far as dealers "dumping" the old stuff to get cash doesn'taffect the retail value unless they unload a large percentage of the TKW.Whoever buys it from them will most likely keep it or re-sell it for aprofit so in a sense the price will stay the same. The TKW of MOSTlegitimate finds and falls is pretty well known so the supply isn't going togo up and kill the value as it does with NWA's. If a farmer in Kansas plowsup a 10kg stone and a search is conducted yielding no further material, thenyou could say the TKW is 10kg. A price per gram will be set on that materialbased on the purchase price, the total mass, and the classification. Youdon't have to worry about a nomad riding into town with another 100kg tiedto his camel. That is the reason MOST legitimate finds are fairly stable intheir price unless they are a VERY rare type.Brad Sampson[EMAIL PROTECTED]- Original Message -From: "Michael Blood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "Meteordealer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Cc: "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 7:32 PMSubject: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin..> Meteordealer wrote:> > Actually, the only prices being forced down tremendously are other> > Moroccan finds. Legitimate finds and falls have held steady with many> > steadily rising in price.> > Brad Sampson> > __> Brad and all,> I must dissagree. PART of the "instability" is that some dealers who> really count on sales for a living are selling some of the old stuff -> at> low enough prices to get cash NOW. I have never seen such a thing.> But this does go on.> For instance, I bought a VERY nice 2 gram Zagami> for $588 a few months back. It was a VERY good price at the time.> However, I made the mistake of not offering it for a couple of months.> When I finally did, I offered it at $600 and got no takers. I later> offered it at $500 and it sold and there were several who tried to get> it AFTER it sold. So, right when I got it I probably could have sold it> instantly for $750, but just a few months made a big difference.> This is just one example. Zagami may well go UP in price equally as> fast, and I believe it will inevitably do so, it is just a question of> time.> However, to say, " Legitimate finds and falls have held steady with many> steadily rising in price.." is simply mistaken. They are NOT steady at> all.> Now, I used to be the strongest advocate for "meteorites as an> investment." In fact, I never heard or read ANYONE say that before> I did. Ironically, I feel it is true now more than ever. HOWEVER, it has> gone from a "short term" to a "long term" investment FOR SURE. What> a price wil
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I forgot to mention that one in my last posting. I'm sure it will start going up again once the supply runs low. Brad Sampson [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Mark Miconi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:00 AM Subject: Fw: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. > > From: Mark Miconi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. > > > > Brad, > > On Ebay this past year the price of Brahin Pallasite has dropped > > dramitcally. When I first thought about buying the samples I have, it was > > selling on Ebay for $5.00 - $7.00 a gram. I finally found it as it was on > > its way down at $2.00 a gram and recently Ivan has been averaging a $1.00 > or > > less a gram. > > > > This 4583 gram beauty > > (http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1059147722) just > > sold for $4200.00 a MERE $0.91 a gram. There are alot of other examples > of > > other types that are down also. > > > > I do not research every type...but it seems to me that there is a much > > better supply of all type on Ebay and on websites and to me they all seem > to > > be down. > > > > Again I do not spend hours on research and at this time have my liquid > > assets invested in my wifes business so am not really buying. I have > really > > been tempted by the ones I have looked at recently for my personal > > collection as the prices seemed to be more reasonable. > > > > My 2 cents...Mark M. > > - Original Message - > > From: Meteordealer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 9:07 PM > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. > > > > > > > What instability??? Most legitimate finds and falls ARE holding > steady. > > > I'm a dealer. I compare the market prices of many meteorites on a daily > > > basis. Just about all of them i look at are the same price they've > always > > > been or more. Zagami and Kapoeta are about the only ones i can think of > > that > > > have tanked. Mainly because at the time they were just about the only > SNC > > > and Howardite you could get. People were willing to pay an arm and a leg > > to > > > get one so they could fill that hole in their collection, thus the > > inflated > > > price. Their price was based upon the rarity of the material. Now SNC's > > and > > > Howardite's are everywhere thus the novelty has worn off and the price > has > > > gone down. As far as dealers "dumping" the old stuff to get cash doesn't > > > affect the retail value unless they unload a large percentage of the > TKW. > > > Whoever buys it from them will most likely keep it or re-sell it for a > > > profit so in a sense the price will stay the same. The TKW of MOST > > > legitimate finds and falls is pretty well known so the supply isn't > going > > to > > > go up and kill the value as it does with NWA's. If a farmer in Kansas > > plows > > > up a 10kg stone and a search is conducted yielding no further material, > > then > > > you could say the TKW is 10kg. A price per gram will be set on that > > material > > > based on the purchase price, the total mass, and the classification. You > > > don't have to worry about a nomad riding into town with another 100kg > tied > > > to his camel. That is the reason MOST legitimate finds are fairly stable > > in > > > their price unless they are a VERY rare type. > > > > > > Brad Sampson > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Michael Blood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "Meteordealer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Cc: "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 7:32 PM > > > Subject: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. > > > > > > > > > > Meteordealer wrote: > > > > >Actually, the only prices being forced down tremendously are > other > > > > > Moroccan finds. Legitimate finds and falls have held steady with > many > > > > > steadily rising in price. > > > > > Brad Sampson > > > > > __ > > > > Brad and all, > > > > I must dissagree. PART of the
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From: Mark Miconi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. > Brad, > On Ebay this past year the price of Brahin Pallasite has dropped > dramitcally. When I first thought about buying the samples I have, it was > selling on Ebay for $5.00 - $7.00 a gram. I finally found it as it was on > its way down at $2.00 a gram and recently Ivan has been averaging a $1.00 or > less a gram. > > This 4583 gram beauty > (http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1059147722) just > sold for $4200.00 a MERE $0.91 a gram. There are alot of other examples of > other types that are down also. > > I do not research every type...but it seems to me that there is a much > better supply of all type on Ebay and on websites and to me they all seem to > be down. > > Again I do not spend hours on research and at this time have my liquid > assets invested in my wifes business so am not really buying. I have really > been tempted by the ones I have looked at recently for my personal > collection as the prices seemed to be more reasonable. > > My 2 cents...Mark M. > - Original Message - > From: Meteordealer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 9:07 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. > > > > What instability??? Most legitimate finds and falls ARE holding steady. > > I'm a dealer. I compare the market prices of many meteorites on a daily > > basis. Just about all of them i look at are the same price they've always > > been or more. Zagami and Kapoeta are about the only ones i can think of > that > > have tanked. Mainly because at the time they were just about the only SNC > > and Howardite you could get. People were willing to pay an arm and a leg > to > > get one so they could fill that hole in their collection, thus the > inflated > > price. Their price was based upon the rarity of the material. Now SNC's > and > > Howardite's are everywhere thus the novelty has worn off and the price has > > gone down. As far as dealers "dumping" the old stuff to get cash doesn't > > affect the retail value unless they unload a large percentage of the TKW. > > Whoever buys it from them will most likely keep it or re-sell it for a > > profit so in a sense the price will stay the same. The TKW of MOST > > legitimate finds and falls is pretty well known so the supply isn't going > to > > go up and kill the value as it does with NWA's. If a farmer in Kansas > plows > > up a 10kg stone and a search is conducted yielding no further material, > then > > you could say the TKW is 10kg. A price per gram will be set on that > material > > based on the purchase price, the total mass, and the classification. You > > don't have to worry about a nomad riding into town with another 100kg tied > > to his camel. That is the reason MOST legitimate finds are fairly stable > in > > their price unless they are a VERY rare type. > > > > Brad Sampson > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Michael Blood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Meteordealer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 7:32 PM > > Subject: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. > > > > > > > Meteordealer wrote: > > > >Actually, the only prices being forced down tremendously are other > > > > Moroccan finds. Legitimate finds and falls have held steady with many > > > > steadily rising in price. > > > > Brad Sampson > > > > __ > > > Brad and all, > > > I must dissagree. PART of the "instability" is that some dealers who > > > really count on sales for a living are selling some of the old stuff - > > > at > > > low enough prices to get cash NOW. I have never seen such a thing. > > > But this does go on. > > > For instance, I bought a VERY nice 2 gram Zagami > > > for $588 a few months back. It was a VERY good price at the time. > > > However, I made the mistake of not offering it for a couple of months. > > > When I finally did, I offered it at $600 and got no takers. I later > > > offered it at $500 and it sold and there were several who tried to get > > > it AFTER it sold. So, right when I got it I probably could have sold it > > > instantly for $750, but just a few months made a big difference. > > >
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Well., well, I m Casper, I sold it at $-200.00 gram, and for the next month, I have Gibeons for $.10 gram, NOT? A sale does not a price set in any market. Mike - Original Message - From: "Jim Strope" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. > Yeah, and I sold Allende for $2- per gram also. So what is your point? > > Isolated sales don't mean squat. > > Jim Strope > 421 Fourth Street > Glen Dale, WV 26038 > > Catch a Falling Star Meteorites > http://www.catchafallingstar.com > > - Original Message - > From: "Meteordealer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 11:08 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. > > > > I've sold Saharan Shergottite material for $75g before. > > > > Brad Sampson > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Jim Strope" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 9:24 PM > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. > > > > > > > Gotta disagree on this one. For example the recent Shergotite finds in > > the > > > Sahara have forced down even the price of Zagami (remember the recent > sale > > > on ebay at $145- per gram). And Zagami is a fresh witnessed fall!!! > > > > > > The fall in prices of some rare types of meteorites is especially true > of > > > "type" collectors. Why not take advantage of the lower prices if you > are > > > just wanting to fill a hole in your type collection. > > > > > > Also, if you want a piece of the moon your only choice is from the > Sahara > > > (with the limited exception of Calcalong Creek > > > http://208.55.105.193/calcalong.htm ). Other rare types have greatly > > > benefited from the recent goldrush in meteorites like the "R" > chondrites. > > > It was only a very short while ago when you had to sell your first born > to > > > buy Rumuriti. > > > > > > I feel very safe in predicting that like all "goldrushes" in the past, > > this > > > one two will be over before you know it. Then we can all sit around and > > say > > > " I remember when you could buy XYZ meteorite for ...... Ah the > good > > > old days !!!" > > > > > > > > > Jim Strope > > > 421 Fourth Street > > > Glen Dale, WV 26038 > > > > > > Catch a Falling Star Meteorites > > > http://www.catchafallingstar.com > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Meteordealer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 7:04 PM > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. > > > > > > > > > >Actually, the only prices being forced down tremendously are other > > > > Moroccan finds. Legitimate finds and falls have held steady with many > > > > steadily rising in price, especially American and European meteorites. > I > > > > have watched several common American chondrites rise in price 2 or 3 > > fold > > > > just over the past 6 months or so. It appears that collectors are > > becoming > > > > tired of NWA's and other Moroccan finds are beginning to revert back > to > > > > recognized, named, falls and finds and are willing to pay a premium to > > do > > > > so. Don't get me wrong, Moroccan meteorites are a blessing to those > who > > > > couldn't afford the rare types before but unfortunately they are also > > VERY > > > > volatile in their value. A lot of people were saying that the Moroccan > > > flood > > > > would be the downfall of the meteorite market but it appears to have > > > > actually strengthened the market, at least as far as NON Moroccan > > > meteorites > > > > are concerned. > > > > > > > > Brad Sampson > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > > From: "Michael Blood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: "Robert Verish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Cc: "Meteori
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In a message dated 1/17/02 9:52:49 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also, if you want a piece of the moon your only choice is from the Sahara (with the limited exception of Calcalong Creek Jim, I have three lunars for sale that are not from the Sahara, but from Oman. Dhofar 025, Dhofar 026 and Dhofar 280. And I think more are coming soon. But your general point is correct; more stuff, better prices. Steve
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Wow, you are the man, damn, where can I sign up? Mike - Original Message - From: "Meteordealer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. > I've sold Saharan Shergottite material for $75g before. > > Brad Sampson > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - Original Message - > From: "Jim Strope" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 9:24 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. > > > > Gotta disagree on this one. For example the recent Shergotite finds in > the > > Sahara have forced down even the price of Zagami (remember the recent sale > > on ebay at $145- per gram). And Zagami is a fresh witnessed fall!!! > > > > The fall in prices of some rare types of meteorites is especially true of > > "type" collectors. Why not take advantage of the lower prices if you are > > just wanting to fill a hole in your type collection. > > > > Also, if you want a piece of the moon your only choice is from the Sahara > > (with the limited exception of Calcalong Creek > > http://208.55.105.193/calcalong.htm ). Other rare types have greatly > > benefited from the recent goldrush in meteorites like the "R" chondrites. > > It was only a very short while ago when you had to sell your first born to > > buy Rumuriti. > > > > I feel very safe in predicting that like all "goldrushes" in the past, > this > > one two will be over before you know it. Then we can all sit around and > say > > " I remember when you could buy XYZ meteorite for .. Ah the good > > old days !!!" > > > > > > Jim Strope > > 421 Fourth Street > > Glen Dale, WV 26038 > > > > Catch a Falling Star Meteorites > > http://www.catchafallingstar.com > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Meteordealer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 7:04 PM > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. > > > > > > >Actually, the only prices being forced down tremendously are other > > > Moroccan finds. Legitimate finds and falls have held steady with many > > > steadily rising in price, especially American and European meteorites. I > > > have watched several common American chondrites rise in price 2 or 3 > fold > > > just over the past 6 months or so. It appears that collectors are > becoming > > > tired of NWA's and other Moroccan finds are beginning to revert back to > > > recognized, named, falls and finds and are willing to pay a premium to > do > > > so. Don't get me wrong, Moroccan meteorites are a blessing to those who > > > couldn't afford the rare types before but unfortunately they are also > VERY > > > volatile in their value. A lot of people were saying that the Moroccan > > flood > > > would be the downfall of the meteorite market but it appears to have > > > actually strengthened the market, at least as far as NON Moroccan > > meteorites > > > are concerned. > > > > > > Brad Sampson > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Michael Blood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "Robert Verish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Cc: "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 5:54 PM > > > Subject: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. > > > > > > > > > > Rob, Matteo and all, > > > > I just gotta laugh! As I been sayin' in my column in > > > > VOYAGE!, the meteorite market has not been this good > > > > since the 60s & 70s. > > > > The flood of material from Africa, and, more importantly, > > > > the American buyers' "invasion of Africa" have forced prices > > > > down tremendously! > > > > Now, I have actually had a respected dealer tell me he > > > > LIKED the guy who stole from a museum, "...because he drove > > > > the prices up on meteorites to what they are really worth." > > > > Are you shi..ing me!? What is WRONG with some dealers > > > > that they somehow think HIGH prices are "better" than low &g
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So you are stating that NWA are non-legitimate finds? Please define further. I love the CR2, I just got home with a little and it is without a doubt, THE most beautiful carbonaceous I have ever seen. Dean was an idiot for "dumping" the only good meteorite he seems to have ever got his hands on. Just as others "dumped" Bilanga, the only Diogenite fall in decades, like it was trash, well, I have my supply and the people who dumped are out now. Maybe they made a little profit, so be it, but I have my large supply of Bilanga for the next few years, new collectors will need some, and I have it, others don't. Same goes for the CR2. I am staring right now at a cut oriented individual and it makes me so happy to have it. Dean dumped his, ill retain mine and when the price goes back up when no more is to be had, ill laugh while Dean calls me to get some for his customers. By the way, I am mapping the CR2 strewnfield, so I have plenty of data now, does that make it a legitimate meteorite Brad; worthy of a descent price? I am jet-lagged from my long flights yesterday, so ill say goodnight. Mike Farmer METEORITEHUNTER - Original Message - From: "Meteordealer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. > What instability??? Most legitimate finds and falls ARE holding steady. > I'm a dealer. I compare the market prices of many meteorites on a daily > basis. Just about all of them i look at are the same price they've always > been or more. Zagami and Kapoeta are about the only ones i can think of that > have tanked. Mainly because at the time they were just about the only SNC > and Howardite you could get. People were willing to pay an arm and a leg to > get one so they could fill that hole in their collection, thus the inflated > price. Their price was based upon the rarity of the material. Now SNC's and > Howardite's are everywhere thus the novelty has worn off and the price has > gone down. As far as dealers "dumping" the old stuff to get cash doesn't > affect the retail value unless they unload a large percentage of the TKW. > Whoever buys it from them will most likely keep it or re-sell it for a > profit so in a sense the price will stay the same. The TKW of MOST > legitimate finds and falls is pretty well known so the supply isn't going to > go up and kill the value as it does with NWA's. If a farmer in Kansas plows > up a 10kg stone and a search is conducted yielding no further material, then > you could say the TKW is 10kg. A price per gram will be set on that material > based on the purchase price, the total mass, and the classification. You > don't have to worry about a nomad riding into town with another 100kg tied > to his camel. That is the reason MOST legitimate finds are fairly stable in > their price unless they are a VERY rare type. > > Brad Sampson > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - Original Message - > From: "Michael Blood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Meteordealer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 7:32 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. > > > > Meteordealer wrote: > > >Actually, the only prices being forced down tremendously are other > > > Moroccan finds. Legitimate finds and falls have held steady with many > > > steadily rising in price. > > > Brad Sampson > > > __ > > Brad and all, > > I must dissagree. PART of the "instability" is that some dealers who > > really count on sales for a living are selling some of the old stuff - > > at > > low enough prices to get cash NOW. I have never seen such a thing. > > But this does go on. > > For instance, I bought a VERY nice 2 gram Zagami > > for $588 a few months back. It was a VERY good price at the time. > > However, I made the mistake of not offering it for a couple of months. > > When I finally did, I offered it at $600 and got no takers. I later > > offered it at $500 and it sold and there were several who tried to get > > it AFTER it sold. So, right when I got it I probably could have sold it > > instantly for $750, but just a few months made a big difference. > > This is just one example. Zagami may well go UP in price equally as > > fast, and I believe it will inevitably do so, it is just a question of > > time. > > However, to say, " Legitimate finds and falls have held steady with many > > steadily rising in price.." is simply mistaken. They are NOT steady at > > all. &g
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Yeah, and I sold Allende for $2- per gram also. So what is your point? Isolated sales don't mean squat. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 Catch a Falling Star Meteorites http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: "Meteordealer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. > I've sold Saharan Shergottite material for $75g before. > > Brad Sampson > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - Original Message - > From: "Jim Strope" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 9:24 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. > > > > Gotta disagree on this one. For example the recent Shergotite finds in > the > > Sahara have forced down even the price of Zagami (remember the recent sale > > on ebay at $145- per gram). And Zagami is a fresh witnessed fall!!! > > > > The fall in prices of some rare types of meteorites is especially true of > > "type" collectors. Why not take advantage of the lower prices if you are > > just wanting to fill a hole in your type collection. > > > > Also, if you want a piece of the moon your only choice is from the Sahara > > (with the limited exception of Calcalong Creek > > http://208.55.105.193/calcalong.htm ). Other rare types have greatly > > benefited from the recent goldrush in meteorites like the "R" chondrites. > > It was only a very short while ago when you had to sell your first born to > > buy Rumuriti. > > > > I feel very safe in predicting that like all "goldrushes" in the past, > this > > one two will be over before you know it. Then we can all sit around and > say > > " I remember when you could buy XYZ meteorite for .. Ah the good > > old days !!!" > > > > > > Jim Strope > > 421 Fourth Street > > Glen Dale, WV 26038 > > > > Catch a Falling Star Meteorites > > http://www.catchafallingstar.com > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Meteordealer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 7:04 PM > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. > > > > > > >Actually, the only prices being forced down tremendously are other > > > Moroccan finds. Legitimate finds and falls have held steady with many > > > steadily rising in price, especially American and European meteorites. I > > > have watched several common American chondrites rise in price 2 or 3 > fold > > > just over the past 6 months or so. It appears that collectors are > becoming > > > tired of NWA's and other Moroccan finds are beginning to revert back to > > > recognized, named, falls and finds and are willing to pay a premium to > do > > > so. Don't get me wrong, Moroccan meteorites are a blessing to those who > > > couldn't afford the rare types before but unfortunately they are also > VERY > > > volatile in their value. A lot of people were saying that the Moroccan > > flood > > > would be the downfall of the meteorite market but it appears to have > > > actually strengthened the market, at least as far as NON Moroccan > > meteorites > > > are concerned. > > > > > > Brad Sampson > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Michael Blood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "Robert Verish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Cc: "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 5:54 PM > > > Subject: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. > > > > > > > > > > Rob, Matteo and all, > > > > I just gotta laugh! As I been sayin' in my column in > > > > VOYAGE!, the meteorite market has not been this good > > > > since the 60s & 70s. > > > > The flood of material from Africa, and, more importantly, > > > > the American buyers' "invasion of Africa" have forced prices > > > > down tremendously! > > > > Now, I have actually had a respected dealer tell me he > > > > LIKED the guy who stole from a museum, "...because he drove > > > > the prices up on meteorites to what they are real
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I've sold Saharan Shergottite material for $75g before. Brad Sampson [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Jim Strope" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. > Gotta disagree on this one. For example the recent Shergotite finds in the > Sahara have forced down even the price of Zagami (remember the recent sale > on ebay at $145- per gram). And Zagami is a fresh witnessed fall!!! > > The fall in prices of some rare types of meteorites is especially true of > "type" collectors. Why not take advantage of the lower prices if you are > just wanting to fill a hole in your type collection. > > Also, if you want a piece of the moon your only choice is from the Sahara > (with the limited exception of Calcalong Creek > http://208.55.105.193/calcalong.htm ). Other rare types have greatly > benefited from the recent goldrush in meteorites like the "R" chondrites. > It was only a very short while ago when you had to sell your first born to > buy Rumuriti. > > I feel very safe in predicting that like all "goldrushes" in the past, this > one two will be over before you know it. Then we can all sit around and say > " I remember when you could buy XYZ meteorite for .. Ah the good > old days !!!" > > > Jim Strope > 421 Fourth Street > Glen Dale, WV 26038 > > Catch a Falling Star Meteorites > http://www.catchafallingstar.com > > - Original Message - > From: "Meteordealer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 7:04 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. > > > >Actually, the only prices being forced down tremendously are other > > Moroccan finds. Legitimate finds and falls have held steady with many > > steadily rising in price, especially American and European meteorites. I > > have watched several common American chondrites rise in price 2 or 3 fold > > just over the past 6 months or so. It appears that collectors are becoming > > tired of NWA's and other Moroccan finds are beginning to revert back to > > recognized, named, falls and finds and are willing to pay a premium to do > > so. Don't get me wrong, Moroccan meteorites are a blessing to those who > > couldn't afford the rare types before but unfortunately they are also VERY > > volatile in their value. A lot of people were saying that the Moroccan > flood > > would be the downfall of the meteorite market but it appears to have > > actually strengthened the market, at least as far as NON Moroccan > meteorites > > are concerned. > > > > Brad Sampson > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Michael Blood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Robert Verish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 5:54 PM > > Subject: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. > > > > > > > Rob, Matteo and all, > > > I just gotta laugh! As I been sayin' in my column in > > > VOYAGE!, the meteorite market has not been this good > > > since the 60s & 70s. > > > The flood of material from Africa, and, more importantly, > > > the American buyers' "invasion of Africa" have forced prices > > > down tremendously! > > > Now, I have actually had a respected dealer tell me he > > > LIKED the guy who stole from a museum, "...because he drove > > > the prices up on meteorites to what they are really worth." > > > Are you shi..ing me!? What is WRONG with some dealers > > > that they somehow think HIGH prices are "better" than low > > > prices??? I don't get it. My customers still spend about the > > > same amount of $ with me - they just get MORE for their > > > $! AND, I have never been so prolific in adding to my collection! > > > In the last year and a half, I have nearly trippled my collection! - > > > more, if you count in terms of "value" or rarity instead of just > > > # of pieces. Why? BECAUSE I CAN AFFORD TO! If a customer > > > spends $100 with me now and gets 10 grams of something, how > > > is that less desirable than 2 years ago he spent $100 with me > > > and got 1 gram of the same material? I still mark up the same > > > % - well, a lit
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What instability??? Most legitimate finds and falls ARE holding steady. I'm a dealer. I compare the market prices of many meteorites on a daily basis. Just about all of them i look at are the same price they've always been or more. Zagami and Kapoeta are about the only ones i can think of that have tanked. Mainly because at the time they were just about the only SNC and Howardite you could get. People were willing to pay an arm and a leg to get one so they could fill that hole in their collection, thus the inflated price. Their price was based upon the rarity of the material. Now SNC's and Howardite's are everywhere thus the novelty has worn off and the price has gone down. As far as dealers "dumping" the old stuff to get cash doesn't affect the retail value unless they unload a large percentage of the TKW. Whoever buys it from them will most likely keep it or re-sell it for a profit so in a sense the price will stay the same. The TKW of MOST legitimate finds and falls is pretty well known so the supply isn't going to go up and kill the value as it does with NWA's. If a farmer in Kansas plows up a 10kg stone and a search is conducted yielding no further material, then you could say the TKW is 10kg. A price per gram will be set on that material based on the purchase price, the total mass, and the classification. You don't have to worry about a nomad riding into town with another 100kg tied to his camel. That is the reason MOST legitimate finds are fairly stable in their price unless they are a VERY rare type. Brad Sampson [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Michael Blood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Meteordealer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 7:32 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. > Meteordealer wrote: > >Actually, the only prices being forced down tremendously are other > > Moroccan finds. Legitimate finds and falls have held steady with many > > steadily rising in price. > > Brad Sampson > > __ > Brad and all, > I must dissagree. PART of the "instability" is that some dealers who > really count on sales for a living are selling some of the old stuff - > at > low enough prices to get cash NOW. I have never seen such a thing. > But this does go on. > For instance, I bought a VERY nice 2 gram Zagami > for $588 a few months back. It was a VERY good price at the time. > However, I made the mistake of not offering it for a couple of months. > When I finally did, I offered it at $600 and got no takers. I later > offered it at $500 and it sold and there were several who tried to get > it AFTER it sold. So, right when I got it I probably could have sold it > instantly for $750, but just a few months made a big difference. > This is just one example. Zagami may well go UP in price equally as > fast, and I believe it will inevitably do so, it is just a question of > time. > However, to say, " Legitimate finds and falls have held steady with many > steadily rising in price.." is simply mistaken. They are NOT steady at > all. > Now, I used to be the strongest advocate for "meteorites as an > investment." In fact, I never heard or read ANYONE say that before > I did. Ironically, I feel it is true now more than ever. HOWEVER, it has > gone from a "short term" to a "long term" investment FOR SURE. What > a price will be a week or month from now is not at all "stable" > regardless > of pedegree. However, in 2 to 10 years from now is, in my opinion, > a dramatic increase in prices is a slam dunk! Prices will go up VERY > quickly..at some point. We just have no way of knowing now when > that will be. But it SURE ain't "stable" now. > (there ARE a few, but very few, exceptions: Canyon Diablo - they anin't > makin' any more of that stuff, the same with Camel Donga and other rare, > highly limited TKW materials and materials with a noted "history" - > killed a > horse, smashed a mailbox, etc.) > Best wishes, Michael > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Gotta disagree on this one. For example the recent Shergotite finds in the Sahara have forced down even the price of Zagami (remember the recent sale on ebay at $145- per gram). And Zagami is a fresh witnessed fall!!! The fall in prices of some rare types of meteorites is especially true of "type" collectors. Why not take advantage of the lower prices if you are just wanting to fill a hole in your type collection. Also, if you want a piece of the moon your only choice is from the Sahara (with the limited exception of Calcalong Creek http://208.55.105.193/calcalong.htm ). Other rare types have greatly benefited from the recent goldrush in meteorites like the "R" chondrites. It was only a very short while ago when you had to sell your first born to buy Rumuriti. I feel very safe in predicting that like all "goldrushes" in the past, this one two will be over before you know it. Then we can all sit around and say " I remember when you could buy XYZ meteorite for .. Ah the good old days !!!" Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 Catch a Falling Star Meteorites http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: "Meteordealer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. >Actually, the only prices being forced down tremendously are other > Moroccan finds. Legitimate finds and falls have held steady with many > steadily rising in price, especially American and European meteorites. I > have watched several common American chondrites rise in price 2 or 3 fold > just over the past 6 months or so. It appears that collectors are becoming > tired of NWA's and other Moroccan finds are beginning to revert back to > recognized, named, falls and finds and are willing to pay a premium to do > so. Don't get me wrong, Moroccan meteorites are a blessing to those who > couldn't afford the rare types before but unfortunately they are also VERY > volatile in their value. A lot of people were saying that the Moroccan flood > would be the downfall of the meteorite market but it appears to have > actually strengthened the market, at least as far as NON Moroccan meteorites > are concerned. > > Brad Sampson > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - Original Message - > From: "Michael Blood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Robert Verish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 5:54 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. > > > > Rob, Matteo and all, > > I just gotta laugh! As I been sayin' in my column in > > VOYAGE!, the meteorite market has not been this good > > since the 60s & 70s. > > The flood of material from Africa, and, more importantly, > > the American buyers' "invasion of Africa" have forced prices > > down tremendously! > > Now, I have actually had a respected dealer tell me he > > LIKED the guy who stole from a museum, "...because he drove > > the prices up on meteorites to what they are really worth." > > Are you shi..ing me!? What is WRONG with some dealers > > that they somehow think HIGH prices are "better" than low > > prices??? I don't get it. My customers still spend about the > > same amount of $ with me - they just get MORE for their > > $! AND, I have never been so prolific in adding to my collection! > > In the last year and a half, I have nearly trippled my collection! - > > more, if you count in terms of "value" or rarity instead of just > > # of pieces. Why? BECAUSE I CAN AFFORD TO! If a customer > > spends $100 with me now and gets 10 grams of something, how > > is that less desirable than 2 years ago he spent $100 with me > > and got 1 gram of the same material? I still mark up the same > > % - well, a little less, but basically, I am making a percentage - and > > my customer is getting MUCH more for his $! AND I can also > > get much more (in meteorites) for MY $ for my own collection. > > So, where is the down side? > > Well, there IS a "down" side - but ONLY for dealers. One can > > no longer afford to buy ANYTHING and "sit on it" for ANY amount > > of time! You gotta buy/sell almost overnight - that is why I do sell > > stuff for less % markup now - GOTTA move it - it might go down in > > price. Now, I definately HAVE sold stuff that way only to have it > > go UP in price - sometimes by a lot, but hay, I made my mark up and > > played it safe. > > Time was, no matter h
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Meteordealer wrote: >Actually, the only prices being forced down tremendously are other > Moroccan finds. Legitimate finds and falls have held steady with many > steadily rising in price. > Brad Sampson > __ Brad and all, I must dissagree. PART of the "instability" is that some dealers who really count on sales for a living are selling some of the old stuff - at low enough prices to get cash NOW. I have never seen such a thing. But this does go on. For instance, I bought a VERY nice 2 gram Zagami for $588 a few months back. It was a VERY good price at the time. However, I made the mistake of not offering it for a couple of months. When I finally did, I offered it at $600 and got no takers. I later offered it at $500 and it sold and there were several who tried to get it AFTER it sold. So, right when I got it I probably could have sold it instantly for $750, but just a few months made a big difference. This is just one example. Zagami may well go UP in price equally as fast, and I believe it will inevitably do so, it is just a question of time. However, to say, " Legitimate finds and falls have held steady with many steadily rising in price.." is simply mistaken. They are NOT steady at all. Now, I used to be the strongest advocate for "meteorites as an investment." In fact, I never heard or read ANYONE say that before I did. Ironically, I feel it is true now more than ever. HOWEVER, it has gone from a "short term" to a "long term" investment FOR SURE. What a price will be a week or month from now is not at all "stable" regardless of pedegree. However, in 2 to 10 years from now is, in my opinion, a dramatic increase in prices is a slam dunk! Prices will go up VERY quickly..at some point. We just have no way of knowing now when that will be. But it SURE ain't "stable" now. (there ARE a few, but very few, exceptions: Canyon Diablo - they anin't makin' any more of that stuff, the same with Camel Donga and other rare, highly limited TKW materials and materials with a noted "history" - killed a horse, smashed a mailbox, etc.) Best wishes, Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Actually, the only prices being forced down tremendously are other Moroccan finds. Legitimate finds and falls have held steady with many steadily rising in price, especially American and European meteorites. I have watched several common American chondrites rise in price 2 or 3 fold just over the past 6 months or so. It appears that collectors are becoming tired of NWA's and other Moroccan finds are beginning to revert back to recognized, named, falls and finds and are willing to pay a premium to do so. Don't get me wrong, Moroccan meteorites are a blessing to those who couldn't afford the rare types before but unfortunately they are also VERY volatile in their value. A lot of people were saying that the Moroccan flood would be the downfall of the meteorite market but it appears to have actually strengthened the market, at least as far as NON Moroccan meteorites are concerned. Brad Sampson [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Michael Blood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Robert Verish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 5:54 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. > Rob, Matteo and all, > I just gotta laugh! As I been sayin' in my column in > VOYAGE!, the meteorite market has not been this good > since the 60s & 70s. > The flood of material from Africa, and, more importantly, > the American buyers' "invasion of Africa" have forced prices > down tremendously! > Now, I have actually had a respected dealer tell me he > LIKED the guy who stole from a museum, "...because he drove > the prices up on meteorites to what they are really worth." > Are you shi..ing me!? What is WRONG with some dealers > that they somehow think HIGH prices are "better" than low > prices??? I don't get it. My customers still spend about the > same amount of $ with me - they just get MORE for their > $! AND, I have never been so prolific in adding to my collection! > In the last year and a half, I have nearly trippled my collection! - > more, if you count in terms of "value" or rarity instead of just > # of pieces. Why? BECAUSE I CAN AFFORD TO! If a customer > spends $100 with me now and gets 10 grams of something, how > is that less desirable than 2 years ago he spent $100 with me > and got 1 gram of the same material? I still mark up the same > % - well, a little less, but basically, I am making a percentage - and > my customer is getting MUCH more for his $! AND I can also > get much more (in meteorites) for MY $ for my own collection. > So, where is the down side? > Well, there IS a "down" side - but ONLY for dealers. One can > no longer afford to buy ANYTHING and "sit on it" for ANY amount > of time! You gotta buy/sell almost overnight - that is why I do sell > stuff for less % markup now - GOTTA move it - it might go down in > price. Now, I definately HAVE sold stuff that way only to have it > go UP in price - sometimes by a lot, but hay, I made my mark up and > played it safe. > Time was, no matter how much I bought, it was a GREAT investment, > as it could only go up (with very few exceptions). Now, no one > knows day to day - but, GREAT buys to be had! When Africa dries > up, as it most certainly will, THESE will be the days we look back > on as THE GOLDEN YEARS. It might be in 4 months or 4 years or even > more, but you can be SURE this "glut" will stop - and when it does, > supply/demand will quickly drive prices up. > So, I get all I can of as much stuff as I can and save as big a piece > as possible of everything for my own collection NOW - in time, sooner > or later, it will be back up in price, making getting more very, very > difficult. Each and every one of us will, one day, kick ourselves in the > ass, and say, "MAN, I could have gotten as much as I wanted of - > for $ a gram back in ought two!" > Hay, what days we live in, eh? > Best wishes, Michael > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Rob, Matteo and all, I just gotta laugh! As I been sayin' in my column in VOYAGE!, the meteorite market has not been this good since the 60s & 70s. The flood of material from Africa, and, more importantly, the American buyers' "invasion of Africa" have forced prices down tremendously! Now, I have actually had a respected dealer tell me he LIKED the guy who stole from a museum, "...because he drove the prices up on meteorites to what they are really worth." Are you shi..ing me!? What is WRONG with some dealers that they somehow think HIGH prices are "better" than low prices??? I don't get it. My customers still spend about the same amount of $ with me - they just get MORE for their $! AND, I have never been so prolific in adding to my collection! In the last year and a half, I have nearly trippled my collection! - more, if you count in terms of "value" or rarity instead of just # of pieces. Why? BECAUSE I CAN AFFORD TO! If a customer spends $100 with me now and gets 10 grams of something, how is that less desirable than 2 years ago he spent $100 with me and got 1 gram of the same material? I still mark up the same % - well, a little less, but basically, I am making a percentage - and my customer is getting MUCH more for his $! AND I can also get much more (in meteorites) for MY $ for my own collection. So, where is the down side? Well, there IS a "down" side - but ONLY for dealers. One can no longer afford to buy ANYTHING and "sit on it" for ANY amount of time! You gotta buy/sell almost overnight - that is why I do sell stuff for less % markup now - GOTTA move it - it might go down in price. Now, I definately HAVE sold stuff that way only to have it go UP in price - sometimes by a lot, but hay, I made my mark up and played it safe. Time was, no matter how much I bought, it was a GREAT investment, as it could only go up (with very few exceptions). Now, no one knows day to day - but, GREAT buys to be had! When Africa dries up, as it most certainly will, THESE will be the days we look back on as THE GOLDEN YEARS. It might be in 4 months or 4 years or even more, but you can be SURE this "glut" will stop - and when it does, supply/demand will quickly drive prices up. So, I get all I can of as much stuff as I can and save as big a piece as possible of everything for my own collection NOW - in time, sooner or later, it will be back up in price, making getting more very, very difficult. Each and every one of us will, one day, kick ourselves in the ass, and say, "MAN, I could have gotten as much as I wanted of - for $ a gram back in ought two!" Hay, what days we live in, eh? Best wishes, Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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they are abstemious Regards Matteo --- Robert Verish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey Matteo? > > Having a hard time finding a shoulder to cry on, > aren't you? > > We have another ol' phrase from the old country, > "When > life hands you sour grapes, just make Italian wine!" > > ;-) > Bob V. > > --------- Original Message -- > [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. > > Thu, 17 Jan 2002 07:48:36 -0700 > Matt Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Welcome to the meteorite biz Matteo...can't "win em > all". Be a collector/dealer and enjoy them. > > == > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > On > Behalf Of Matteo > Chinellato > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 1:40 AM > To: Meteoritecentral > Subject: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. > > > Hello all > > I wanted to say some things care the prices of the > Carbonaceous Chondrites CR2. > ++ > Regards > > Matteo > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hey Matteo? Having a hard time finding a shoulder to cry on, aren't you? We have another ol' phrase from the old country, "When life hands you sour grapes, just make Italian wine!" ;-) Bob V. - Original Message ------ [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. Thu, 17 Jan 2002 07:48:36 -0700 Matt Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome to the meteorite biz Matteo...can't "win em all". Be a collector/dealer and enjoy them. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Matteo Chinellato Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 1:40 AM To: Meteoritecentral Subject: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. Hello all I wanted to say some things care the prices of the Carbonaceous Chondrites CR2. ++ Regards Matteo __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Buy 'em all up then set your own price. ;-) Brad Sampson [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Matt Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Matteo Chinellato'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Meteoritecentral'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 9:48 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. > Welcome to the meteorite biz Matteo...can't "win em all". Be a > collector/dealer and enjoy them. > > == > Matt Morgan > Mile High Meteorites > www.mhmeteorites.com > P.O. Box 151293 > Lakewood, Colorado 80215 > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Fax: 303-763-6917 > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Matteo > Chinellato > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 1:40 AM > To: Meteoritecentral > Subject: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. > > > Hello all > > I wanted to say some things care the prices of the > Carbonaceous Chondrites CR2. Once they were of > meteorites much rare, minimal $200/gr. or also > $300/gr. they were not succeeded to possession. Hour, > with the discoveries made in Morocco, the prices are > collapsed of all. I have made a purchase of 20 gr. of > NWA 801 in order to cut to slices and then sale to > $100-125/gr. but this hour are not more possible, > inasmuch as the prices are passed to a maximum of > $70/gr. until a minimum of $30/gr., and with this I > have replaced to us varies moneies. Sincerely this has > a lot to me disappointed, why to throw down the > meteorite prices that once they were rarest? After you > do not write to me in private who I am the guilty to > have ruined the prices of the SNC, inasmuch as this is > not true since I sold DaG 489 to $2,000/gr. and > someone other sold it instead to a price much > inferior. Hour I look at myself forced to lower the > prices, hoping to succeed to resume the money of the > expense, but it cannot be never said null, inasmuch as > on Ebay a piece of CR2 from 2 gr.+ is sold for $60... > Regards > > Matteo > > > > > = > M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato > Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: > http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors > Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > EBAY.COM:http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello Matteo, I'm not sure that I understand your message. Are you saying that you are disappointed that the prices of CR2s have fallen? -Walter --- Walter Branch, Ph.D. Branch Meteorites 322 Stephenson Ave., Suite B Savannah, GA 31405 USA www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: "Matteo Chinellato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Meteoritecentral" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 3:39 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. > Hello all > > I wanted to say some things care the prices of the > Carbonaceous Chondrites CR2. Once they were of > meteorites much rare, minimal $200/gr. or also > $300/gr. they were not succeeded to possession. Hour, > with the discoveries made in Morocco, the prices are > collapsed of all. I have made a purchase of 20 gr. of > NWA 801 in order to cut to slices and then sale to > $100-125/gr. but this hour are not more possible, > inasmuch as the prices are passed to a maximum of > $70/gr. until a minimum of $30/gr., and with this I > have replaced to us varies moneies. Sincerely this has > a lot to me disappointed, why to throw down the > meteorite prices that once they were rarest? After you > do not write to me in private who I am the guilty to > have ruined the prices of the SNC, inasmuch as this is > not true since I sold DaG 489 to $2,000/gr. and > someone other sold it instead to a price much > inferior. Hour I look at myself forced to lower the > prices, hoping to succeed to resume the money of the > expense, but it cannot be never said null, inasmuch as > on Ebay a piece of CR2 from 2 gr.+ is sold for $60... > Regards > > Matteo > > > > > = > M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato > Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info > International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 > MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > EBAY.COM:http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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It's a simple little concept called "supply and demand". Now all we need is for someone to discover a one-ton lunar meteorite. Ain't capitalism great ! Craig __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Welcome to the meteorite biz Matteo...can't "win em all". Be a collector/dealer and enjoy them. == Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, Colorado 80215 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax: 303-763-6917 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Matteo Chinellato Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 1:40 AM To: Meteoritecentral Subject: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin.. Hello all I wanted to say some things care the prices of the Carbonaceous Chondrites CR2. Once they were of meteorites much rare, minimal $200/gr. or also $300/gr. they were not succeeded to possession. Hour, with the discoveries made in Morocco, the prices are collapsed of all. I have made a purchase of 20 gr. of NWA 801 in order to cut to slices and then sale to $100-125/gr. but this hour are not more possible, inasmuch as the prices are passed to a maximum of $70/gr. until a minimum of $30/gr., and with this I have replaced to us varies moneies. Sincerely this has a lot to me disappointed, why to throw down the meteorite prices that once they were rarest? After you do not write to me in private who I am the guilty to have ruined the prices of the SNC, inasmuch as this is not true since I sold DaG 489 to $2,000/gr. and someone other sold it instead to a price much inferior. Hour I look at myself forced to lower the prices, hoping to succeed to resume the money of the expense, but it cannot be never said null, inasmuch as on Ebay a piece of CR2 from 2 gr.+ is sold for $60... Regards Matteo = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello all I wanted to say some things care the prices of the Carbonaceous Chondrites CR2. Once they were of meteorites much rare, minimal $200/gr. or also $300/gr. they were not succeeded to possession. Hour, with the discoveries made in Morocco, the prices are collapsed of all. I have made a purchase of 20 gr. of NWA 801 in order to cut to slices and then sale to $100-125/gr. but this hour are not more possible, inasmuch as the prices are passed to a maximum of $70/gr. until a minimum of $30/gr., and with this I have replaced to us varies moneies. Sincerely this has a lot to me disappointed, why to throw down the meteorite prices that once they were rarest? After you do not write to me in private who I am the guilty to have ruined the prices of the SNC, inasmuch as this is not true since I sold DaG 489 to $2,000/gr. and someone other sold it instead to a price much inferior. Hour I look at myself forced to lower the prices, hoping to succeed to resume the money of the expense, but it cannot be never said null, inasmuch as on Ebay a piece of CR2 from 2 gr.+ is sold for $60... Regards Matteo = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
