Re: [meteorite-list] Clarification.. Was Fusion Crust on Irons

2009-11-19 Thread i...@niger-meteorite-recon.de
Elton,
 Could you please name the significant source you refer to by presuming that the
term fusion crust is only valid when describing crusts made up of glass/silicate
components?
 
I'm asking because the discussion so far did not provide any intelligent reason
why this should make any sense at all. Perhaps it would be a good idea to start
from there.
 
Svend
 
 

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MEM  hat am 20. November 2009 um 06:08 geschrieben:

> Again Yahoo is near comatose and I am not getting all the posts.
> 
> We are going to eventually see a predominately iron meteorite which is going
> to have a legitimate "fusion crust" (meeting the definition).
> 
> When I said "non -silicate" bearing I meant insignificant silicate content and
> was trying to establish and end point for a series, mineralogically and
> metaphorically speaking--otherwise... as has happened here time and time
> again, people start throwing in exceptions and progress stops.  (e.g. Campo
> was non-silicate bearing until someone found a silicated batch). 
> 
> Discussion is complicated by the lack of adequate definitions/ descriptions.
> They abound especially in a rare commodity. For another vexing example of
> undefined: how many atoms of copper, gold or lead need be in a "glob" in a
> meteorite to legitimately say that a meteorite has native Cu, Au, or PB? Every
> meteorite has an C,A,P atom so or per billion but where do we draw the line on
> declaring it?
> 
> 
> So you all know where I am going with this:  I would like to see a new list of
> terms used in our field which ensures we are discussing the same thing/feature
> observed on multiple meteorites.  I think many agree that as the term fusion
> crust is now defined and how it is actually used to refer to every eventual
> possible appearance-- even on rusty iron shale( yes someone has offered
> "fusion crusted" iron shale before) and fusion crusted paleo meteorites-- are
> very different things and that we need a better convention of what is and or
> is not the result of flight and how it relates to surface features in general
> on all types of meteorites.  Suprisingly, very little science has been focused
> on the formation and features of "fusion crust" especially compared to the
> internal content. Even less effort has been directed are promoting operational
> terms to describe what is observed on different surfaces.
> 
> Personal business has taken me far from the list for several weeks so if I
> haven't addressed your message please feel free to resend. I may not be active
> on the beloved list but I am getting some lab work done and hope to announce
> some really neat things next year.
> 
> Happy Thanksgiving for those that celebrate the season...  Hope to be back
> before Christmas and BTW what dates are the Las Vegas(ahem)Gem and Mineral
> Show?
> 
> Elton
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[meteorite-list] Clarification.. Was Fusion Crust on Irons

2009-11-19 Thread MEM
Again Yahoo is near comatose and I am not getting all the posts.

We are going to eventually see a predominately iron meteorite which is going to 
have a legitimate "fusion crust" (meeting the definition).

When I said "non -silicate" bearing I meant insignificant silicate content and 
was trying to establish and end point for a series, mineralogically and 
metaphorically speaking--otherwise... as has happened here time and time again, 
people start throwing in exceptions and progress stops.  (e.g. Campo was 
non-silicate bearing until someone found a silicated batch). 

Discussion is complicated by the lack of adequate definitions/ descriptions. 
They abound especially in a rare commodity. For another vexing example of 
undefined: how many atoms of copper, gold or lead need be in a "glob" in a 
meteorite to legitimately say that a meteorite has native Cu, Au, or PB? Every 
meteorite has an C,A,P atom so or per billion but where do we draw the line on 
declaring it?


So you all know where I am going with this:  I would like to see a new list of 
terms used in our field which ensures we are discussing the same thing/feature 
observed on multiple meteorites.  I think many agree that as the term fusion 
crust is now defined and how it is actually used to refer to every eventual 
possible appearance-- even on rusty iron shale( yes someone has offered "fusion 
crusted" iron shale before) and fusion crusted paleo meteorites-- are very 
different things and that we need a better convention of what is and or is not 
the result of flight and how it relates to surface features in general on all 
types of meteorites.  Suprisingly, very little science has been focused on the 
formation and features of "fusion crust" especially compared to the internal 
content. Even less effort has been directed are promoting operational terms to 
describe what is observed on different surfaces.

Personal business has taken me far from the list for several weeks so if I 
haven't addressed your message please feel free to resend. I may not be active 
on the beloved list but I am getting some lab work done and hope to announce 
some really neat things next year.

Happy Thanksgiving for those that celebrate the season...  Hope to be back 
before Christmas and BTW what dates are the Las Vegas(ahem)Gem and Mineral Show?

Elton
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