[meteorite-list] Does this rectify negative feedback?
Hello, Folks, may I ask your opinion: I listed 2 items (Haig irons) on ebay and forgot to take out Posts to Worldwide, leaving only Posts to Australia, but mentioned in the describtion Sorry, Australia only! One wellknown meteorite collector/dealer from Chicago accquired both with Buy it now option and paid straight way for them via PayPal. Now I realised the mistake, as I do not have an export permit for this meteorite and wrote this gentleman an apologetic letter and refunded the money straight away. It hit me a bit hard when I got his reply (strange wordings, read below, if you want) and saw that he had given me 2 negative feedbacks for that. I always thought we are some sort of a family and would try to sort things out - I have tried! I would very much appreciate your honest opinion in this matter, as this is the very first negative feedback on our proud 1000+ positive record. ( If you are bored you can go throught the correspondense following.) Thanks for your advise and Best regards from DOWN-UNDER, Norbert & Heike Kammel ROCKS ON FIRE IMCA #3420 www.rocksonfire.com <%3Fhttp://www.rocksonfire.com%3F> Dear Steve, I am very sorry that you are taking this mishap so hard. I was always under the impression that you are a gentleman and would understand that we all are only human and can make mistakes. This was a honest listing mistake and my describtion also clearly stated "Sorry, Australia only!" I do understand that this is not much comfort for you, and I can only offer you my humble apologies, and I am sorry to loosing you as a good customer. But I am also sorry to having you mistakenly categorised as collector-buddy and friend. If you take a deep breeze and put yourself into my position, Would you take the risk for some $ 30 bucks to having the Fed's snooping through every corner of your property, getting dragged to court and being punished with a severe penalty? You don't seem to be so stupid, so I assume you will take my point. Yes, Steve, you paid straight away for these pieces via PayPal, which you always do and what I always appreciated. And I refunded you the money via PayPal straight away and asked you, if I can do anything for you, as I reckoned I would owe you one. I guess this straighten this out. I still have to obey to the law here in Australia, and if you are suggesting that the meteorite community in America bluntly can ignore the law over there, I believe you are very much mistaken. I am also sure that most Americans uphold the law. I still believe that we can solve this little dispute between us. But if you prefer to put it onto the billboard, to the list or where ever, I can't stop you, feel free! At last: I will not take your expression of "your phony selling technikes". For this you will give me an explanation and take it back. If you want to do anything with eBay, that's fine with me, go ahead! I apologised to you for having made a honest mistake and thought you would take it as a gentleman. But if you reckon that you are the only unfailable man in the world and that the law is only there when it suits you, when you cannot see a genuine mistake, Sorry, Mate, you then certainly lost me! Best regards from DOWN-UNDER, Norbert & Heike Kammel ROCKS ON FIRE IMCA #3420 www.rocksonfire.com <%3Fhttp://www.rocksonfire.com%3F> Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: I am really pissed off at you for this.I legally paid for those 2 items.It was on ebay and that is legal purchaing.It does not matter where in this god forsaken world it is.And I REALLY DO NOT CARE FOR YOUR STUPID EXPORT LAW.We don't have that over in the greatest country in the world.I paid for those pieces legally and I should get them.I am going to file a grievance to ebay on your phony selling techniques.You do not see any other countrys with this stupid export laws.HOW STUPID CAN A COUNTRY BE???.Meteorites run thru the usa like water in a siv.I am sorry to do this norbert.But what you are doing is totally ILLEGAL by any means.You have lost me as a customer.I have never been treated so shabbaly as what you have done to me.And I am going to alert the meteorite community as to what you have done to me.I THOUGHT WE COULD WHEEL AND DEAL ON EBAY LIKE GENTLEMAN?Oh well,I guess not.I will get those piecess!!! steve arnold, usa,where meteorites flow freely!! --- ROCKS ON FIRE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - Hi, Steve, I am terribly sorry to disappointing you, Mate. Unfortunately I did a mistake in not changing on the ebay form Postto: Worldwide to Australia only. I only stated in the describtion ' Sorry, Australia only!' Haig is a meteorite I do not have permission to export it, and Iwould get into serious trouble as this would be a documented breach ofthe Movable Cultural Heritage Act. As much as I would like to send you this little pieces- I can't, and Iam really sorry, Steve! :'( So I am going
[meteorite-list] Does this rectify negative feedback?
Norbert,you did nothing wrong.Steve,hang your head in shame,disgraceful and childish.Be a man and remove the negative feedback Jim Brady -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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After reading that, you wonder why the entire world hates Americans. Steve, be a man and remove those feedbacks from him. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: "ROCKS ON FIRE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 8:16 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Does this rectify negative feedback? Hello, Folks, may I ask your opinion: I listed 2 items (Haig irons) on ebay and forgot to take out Posts to Worldwide, leaving only Posts to Australia, but mentioned in the describtion Sorry, Australia only! One wellknown meteorite collector/dealer from Chicago accquired both with Buy it now option and paid straight way for them via PayPal. Now I realised the mistake, as I do not have an export permit for this meteorite and wrote this gentleman an apologetic letter and refunded the money straight away. It hit me a bit hard when I got his reply (strange wordings, read below, if you want) and saw that he had given me 2 negative feedbacks for that. I always thought we are some sort of a family and would try to sort things out - I have tried! I would very much appreciate your honest opinion in this matter, as this is the very first negative feedback on our proud 1000+ positive record. ( If you are bored you can go throught the correspondense following.) Thanks for your advise and Best regards from DOWN-UNDER, Norbert & Heike Kammel ROCKS ON FIRE IMCA #3420 www.rocksonfire.com <%3Fhttp://www.rocksonfire.com%3F> Dear Steve, I am very sorry that you are taking this mishap so hard. I was always under the impression that you are a gentleman and would understand that we all are only human and can make mistakes. This was a honest listing mistake and my describtion also clearly stated "Sorry, Australia only!" I do understand that this is not much comfort for you, and I can only offer you my humble apologies, and I am sorry to loosing you as a good customer. But I am also sorry to having you mistakenly categorised as collector-buddy and friend. If you take a deep breeze and put yourself into my position, Would you take the risk for some $ 30 bucks to having the Fed's snooping through every corner of your property, getting dragged to court and being punished with a severe penalty? You don't seem to be so stupid, so I assume you will take my point. Yes, Steve, you paid straight away for these pieces via PayPal, which you always do and what I always appreciated. And I refunded you the money via PayPal straight away and asked you, if I can do anything for you, as I reckoned I would owe you one. I guess this straighten this out. I still have to obey to the law here in Australia, and if you are suggesting that the meteorite community in America bluntly can ignore the law over there, I believe you are very much mistaken. I am also sure that most Americans uphold the law. I still believe that we can solve this little dispute between us. But if you prefer to put it onto the billboard, to the list or where ever, I can't stop you, feel free! At last: I will not take your expression of "your phony selling technikes". For this you will give me an explanation and take it back. If you want to do anything with eBay, that's fine with me, go ahead! I apologised to you for having made a honest mistake and thought you would take it as a gentleman. But if you reckon that you are the only unfailable man in the world and that the law is only there when it suits you, when you cannot see a genuine mistake, Sorry, Mate, you then certainly lost me! Best regards from DOWN-UNDER, Norbert & Heike Kammel ROCKS ON FIRE IMCA #3420 www.rocksonfire.com <%3Fhttp://www.rocksonfire.com%3F> Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: I am really pissed off at you for this.I legally paid for those 2 items.It was on ebay and that is legal purchaing.It does not matter where in this god forsaken world it is.And I REALLY DO NOT CARE FOR YOUR STUPID EXPORT LAW.We don't have that over in the greatest country in the world.I paid for those pieces legally and I should get them.I am going to file a grievance to ebay on your phony selling techniques.You do not see any other countrys with this stupid export laws.HOW STUPID CAN A COUNTRY BE???.Meteorites run thru the usa like water in a siv.I am sorry to do this norbert.But what you are doing is totally ILLEGAL by any means.You have lost me as a customer.I have never been treated so shabbaly as what you have done to me.And I am going to alert the meteorite community as to what you have done to me.I THOUGHT WE COULD WHEEL AND DEAL ON EBAY LIKE GENTLEMAN?Oh well,I guess not.I will get those piecess!!! steve arnold, usa,where meteorites flow freely!! --- ROCKS ON FIRE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - Hi, Steve, I am terribly sorry to disappointing you, Mate. Unfortunately I did a mistake in no
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Hi Norbert and all, eBay clearly states in its rules that you can put conditions (restrictions) on your sell items and those looking at the items on ebay have to abide by your description. I guess the only question I would raise is why not just put the item solely on ebay Australia's site and not the general site where other bidders from other parts of the world would see it and want to buy it? I clearly state in my ebay auctions that I don't ship to Italy and if someone bids on the item from Italy then they have violated the conditions of my sale not the other way around. No you don't deserve the negative feedback that Steve gave you. I keep thinking that perhaps Steve is coming around and then he does something like this that make me not to want to have anything to do with him ever again! The only way to look at this is if you drive enough miles you'll get an insect on the windshield. You have enough bidee's on your items and sooner or later someone will leave you a bad feedback even if you don't deserve it. One negative feedback on 100 positive ones or a 1000 in your case, shouldn't tarnish your reputation at all. I'd put Steve on my bid block list if I were you and I know I will on mine so nothing like this will ever happen to me with him. As Blaine says, play nice. All my best! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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The auctions do state " Australia Only ". Renege is spelled RENEGE not 'renigged'. I agree with Mike! - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "ROCKS ON FIRE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Does this rectify negative feedback? After reading that, you wonder why the entire world hates Americans. Steve, be a man and remove those feedbacks from him. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: "ROCKS ON FIRE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 8:16 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Does this rectify negative feedback? Hello, Folks, may I ask your opinion: I listed 2 items (Haig irons) on ebay and forgot to take out Posts to Worldwide, leaving only Posts to Australia, but mentioned in the describtion Sorry, Australia only! One wellknown meteorite collector/dealer from Chicago accquired both with Buy it now option and paid straight way for them via PayPal. Now I realised the mistake, as I do not have an export permit for this meteorite and wrote this gentleman an apologetic letter and refunded the money straight away. It hit me a bit hard when I got his reply (strange wordings, read below, if you want) and saw that he had given me 2 negative feedbacks for that. I always thought we are some sort of a family and would try to sort things out - I have tried! I would very much appreciate your honest opinion in this matter, as this is the very first negative feedback on our proud 1000+ positive record. ( If you are bored you can go throught the correspondense following.) Thanks for your advise and Best regards from DOWN-UNDER, Norbert & Heike Kammel ROCKS ON FIRE IMCA #3420 www.rocksonfire.com <%3Fhttp://www.rocksonfire.com%3F> Dear Steve, I am very sorry that you are taking this mishap so hard. I was always under the impression that you are a gentleman and would understand that we all are only human and can make mistakes. This was a honest listing mistake and my describtion also clearly stated "Sorry, Australia only!" I do understand that this is not much comfort for you, and I can only offer you my humble apologies, and I am sorry to loosing you as a good customer. But I am also sorry to having you mistakenly categorised as collector-buddy and friend. If you take a deep breeze and put yourself into my position, Would you take the risk for some $ 30 bucks to having the Fed's snooping through every corner of your property, getting dragged to court and being punished with a severe penalty? You don't seem to be so stupid, so I assume you will take my point. Yes, Steve, you paid straight away for these pieces via PayPal, which you always do and what I always appreciated. And I refunded you the money via PayPal straight away and asked you, if I can do anything for you, as I reckoned I would owe you one. I guess this straighten this out. I still have to obey to the law here in Australia, and if you are suggesting that the meteorite community in America bluntly can ignore the law over there, I believe you are very much mistaken. I am also sure that most Americans uphold the law. I still believe that we can solve this little dispute between us. But if you prefer to put it onto the billboard, to the list or where ever, I can't stop you, feel free! At last: I will not take your expression of "your phony selling technikes". For this you will give me an explanation and take it back. If you want to do anything with eBay, that's fine with me, go ahead! I apologised to you for having made a honest mistake and thought you would take it as a gentleman. But if you reckon that you are the only unfailable man in the world and that the law is only there when it suits you, when you cannot see a genuine mistake, Sorry, Mate, you then certainly lost me! Best regards from DOWN-UNDER, Norbert & Heike Kammel ROCKS ON FIRE IMCA #3420 www.rocksonfire.com <%3Fhttp://www.rocksonfire.com%3F> Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: I am really pissed off at you for this.I legally paid for those 2 items.It was on ebay and that is legal purchaing.It does not matter where in this god forsaken world it is.And I REALLY DO NOT CARE FOR YOUR STUPID EXPORT LAW.We don't have that over in the greatest country in the world.I paid for those pieces legally and I should get them.I am going to file a grievance to ebay on your phony selling techniques.You do not see any other countrys with this stupid export laws.HOW STUPID CAN A COUNTRY BE???.Meteorites run thru the usa like water in a siv.I am sorry to do this norbert.But what you are doing is totally ILLEGAL by any means.You have lost me as a customer.I have never been treated so shabbaly as what you have done to me.And I am going to alert the meteorite community
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Hi Norbert, With this one, just consider the source. Please don't judge all Americans by this one "being". Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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These items were listed on Australian eBay as far as I know for the reason that there were no exports. I also listed some Boxhole Shale on Australian eBay the other day because I did not have permits but I only noticed at the last minute that I think if you tick the "Ship to Australia" box it still leaves the "Worldwide" box ticked further down. It would be a VERY easy oversight. Cheers, Jeff Kuyken I.M.C.A. #3085 www.meteorites.com.au - Original Message - From: AL Mitterling To: ROCKS ON FIRE ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Does this rectify negative feedback? Hi Norbert and all, eBay clearly states in its rules that you can put conditions (restrictions) on your sell items and those looking at the items on ebay have to abide by your description. I guess the only question I would raise is why not just put the item solely on ebay Australia's site and not the general site where other bidders from other parts of the world would see it and want to buy it? I clearly state in my ebay auctions that I don't ship to Italy and if someone bids on the item from Italy then they have violated the conditions of my sale not the other way around. No you don't deserve the negative feedback that Steve gave you. I keep thinking that perhaps Steve is coming around and then he does something like this that make me not to want to have anything to do with him ever again! The only way to look at this is if you drive enough miles you'll get an insect on the windshield. You have enough bidee's on your items and sooner or later someone will leave you a bad feedback even if you don't deserve it. One negative feedback on 100 positive ones or a 1000 in your case, shouldn't tarnish your reputation at all. I'd put Steve on my bid block list if I were you and I know I will on mine so nothing like this will ever happen to me with him. As Blaine says, play nice. All my best! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Being? Using the term rather losely aren't we? DF DNAndrews wrote: Hi Norbert, With this one, just consider the source. Please don't judge all Americans by this one "being". Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hey Steveyou are one class act! Are you bucking for nominations for the "Stupid/Ugly American of the Year Award" ?? If so, you won my vote. And since you are in Chicago, may I vote more than once? Exactly what part of "Australia Only" didn't you comprehend? Must be a result of that Chicago area public school education. Why do I have a sneaking suspicion that the tone of responces by the list to your next round of insipid "Hey, look what I just bought..." posts will change slightly? For what it's worth Norbertplease accept an apology for the remarks of our politically ignorant and reading comprehension challenged Chicago list member. Craig === Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: >I am really pissed off at you for this.I legally paid for those 2 items.It >was on ebay and that is legal purchaing.It does not matter where in this >god forsaken world it is.And I REALLY DO NOT CARE FOR YOUR STUPID EXPORT >LAW.We don't have that over in the greatest country in the world.I paid >for those pieces legally and I should get them.I am going to file a >grievance to ebay on your phony selling techniques.You do not see any >other countrys with this stupid export laws.HOW STUPID CAN A COUNTRY >BE???.Meteorites run thru the usa like water in a siv.I am sorry to do >this norbert.But what you are doing is totally ILLEGAL by any means.You >have lost me as a customer.I have never been treated so shabbaly as what >you have done to me.And I am going to alert the meteorite community as to >what you have done to me.I THOUGHT WE COULD WHEEL AND DEAL ON EBAY LIKE >GENTLEMAN?Oh well,I guess not.I will get those piecess!!! > > > steve arnold, usa,where meteorites flow >freely!! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: god forsaken world it is.And I REALLY DO NOT CARE FOR YOUR STUPID EXPORT LAW.We don't have that over in the greatest country in the world.I wow... i have always figured steve arnold (chicago) to be a halfway desent person - what with giving away meteorites to anyone who wants them and all. but this is just down right foolishness - steve if you have an ounce of credibility in you, you will immediatly see to it that those negative feedbacks are removed (ebay has a mechanism for this now when both parties request it) and steve wounders why people dont like him... __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Norbert Negative feedback and all, he looks far worse than you. Shabbaly yours, Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: "ROCKS ON FIRE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 8:16 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Does this rectify negative feedback? Hello, Folks, may I ask your opinion: I listed 2 items (Haig irons) on ebay and forgot to take out Posts to Worldwide, leaving only Posts to Australia, but mentioned in the describtion Sorry, Australia only! One wellknown meteorite collector/dealer from Chicago accquired both with Buy it now option and paid straight way for them via PayPal. Now I realised the mistake, as I do not have an export permit for this meteorite and wrote this gentleman an apologetic letter and refunded the money straight away. It hit me a bit hard when I got his reply (strange wordings, read below, if you want) and saw that he had given me 2 negative feedbacks for that. I always thought we are some sort of a family and would try to sort things out - I have tried! I would very much appreciate your honest opinion in this matter, as this is the very first negative feedback on our proud 1000+ positive record. ( If you are bored you can go throught the correspondense following.) Thanks for your advise and Best regards from DOWN-UNDER, Norbert & Heike Kammel ROCKS ON FIRE IMCA #3420 www.rocksonfire.com <%3Fhttp://www.rocksonfire.com%3F> Dear Steve, I am very sorry that you are taking this mishap so hard. I was always under the impression that you are a gentleman and would understand that we all are only human and can make mistakes. This was a honest listing mistake and my describtion also clearly stated "Sorry, Australia only!" I do understand that this is not much comfort for you, and I can only offer you my humble apologies, and I am sorry to loosing you as a good customer. But I am also sorry to having you mistakenly categorised as collector-buddy and friend. If you take a deep breeze and put yourself into my position, Would you take the risk for some $ 30 bucks to having the Fed's snooping through every corner of your property, getting dragged to court and being punished with a severe penalty? You don't seem to be so stupid, so I assume you will take my point. Yes, Steve, you paid straight away for these pieces via PayPal, which you always do and what I always appreciated. And I refunded you the money via PayPal straight away and asked you, if I can do anything for you, as I reckoned I would owe you one. I guess this straighten this out. I still have to obey to the law here in Australia, and if you are suggesting that the meteorite community in America bluntly can ignore the law over there, I believe you are very much mistaken. I am also sure that most Americans uphold the law. I still believe that we can solve this little dispute between us. But if you prefer to put it onto the billboard, to the list or where ever, I can't stop you, feel free! At last: I will not take your expression of "your phony selling technikes". For this you will give me an explanation and take it back. If you want to do anything with eBay, that's fine with me, go ahead! I apologised to you for having made a honest mistake and thought you would take it as a gentleman. But if you reckon that you are the only unfailable man in the world and that the law is only there when it suits you, when you cannot see a genuine mistake, Sorry, Mate, you then certainly lost me! Best regards from DOWN-UNDER, Norbert & Heike Kammel ROCKS ON FIRE IMCA #3420 www.rocksonfire.com <%3Fhttp://www.rocksonfire.com%3F> Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: I am really pissed off at you for this.I legally paid for those 2 items.It was on ebay and that is legal purchaing.It does not matter where in this god forsaken world it is.And I REALLY DO NOT CARE FOR YOUR STUPID EXPORT LAW.We don't have that over in the greatest country in the world.I paid for those pieces legally and I should get them.I am going to file a grievance to ebay on your phony selling techniques.You do not see any other countrys with this stupid export laws.HOW STUPID CAN A COUNTRY BE???.Meteorites run thru the usa like water in a siv.I am sorry to do this norbert.But what you are doing is totally ILLEGAL by any means.You have lost me as a customer.I have never been treated so shabbaly as what you have done to me.And I am going to alert the meteorite community as to what you have done to me.I THOUGHT WE COULD WHEEL AND DEAL ON EBAY LIKE GENTLEMAN?Oh well,I guess not.I will get those piecess!!! steve arnold, usa,where meteorites flow freely!! --- ROCKS ON FIRE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - Hi, Stev
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Mike and List- I EMPHATICALLY agree 100% with Mike's opinion Steve, you went way over the line on this one and I for one am embarrsed for you as a fellow American. Norbert (and any other non-Americans reading this) I assure you, Steve's opinion is not held by THIS American and hopefully the majority of Americans as this was clearly an honest mistake. I certainly applaud Norbert's decision to not break the laws of his country. Steve, you have earned an honored position on my "send-straight-to-the-delete-basket" list. You need to remove those negatives and then learn (1) manners and (2) respect for the law. -Walter Branch - - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "ROCKS ON FIRE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Does this rectify negative feedback? > After reading that, you wonder why the entire world hates Americans. > Steve, be a man and remove those feedbacks from him. > Mike Farmer > - Original Message - > From: "ROCKS ON FIRE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 8:16 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Does this rectify negative feedback? > > > > Hello, Folks, > > > > may I ask your opinion: > > > > I listed 2 items (Haig irons) on ebay and forgot to take out Posts to > > Worldwide, leaving only Posts to Australia, but mentioned in the > > describtion Sorry, Australia only! > > > > One wellknown meteorite collector/dealer from Chicago accquired both with > > Buy it now option and paid straight way for them via PayPal. > > > > Now I realised the mistake, as I do not have an export permit for this > > meteorite and wrote this gentleman an apologetic letter and refunded the > > money straight away. > > > > It hit me a bit hard when I got his reply (strange wordings, read below, > > if you want) and saw that he had given me 2 negative feedbacks for that. > > > > I always thought we are some sort of a family and would try to sort things > > out - I have tried! > > > > I would very much appreciate your honest opinion in this matter, as this > > is the very first negative feedback on our proud 1000+ positive record. > > ( If you are bored you can go throught the correspondense following.) > > > > Thanks for your advise and > > > > > > Best regards from DOWN-UNDER, > > > > > > Norbert & Heike Kammel > >ROCKS ON FIRE > > IMCA #3420 > > www.rocksonfire.com <%3Fhttp://www.rocksonfire.com%3F> > > > > > > > > Dear Steve, > > > > I am very sorry that you are taking this mishap so hard. > > I was always under the impression that you are a gentleman and would > > understand that we all are only human and can make mistakes. > > > > This was a honest listing mistake and my describtion also clearly stated > > "Sorry, Australia only!" I do understand that this is not much comfort > > for you, and I can only offer you my humble apologies, and I am sorry to > > loosing you as a good customer. But I am also sorry to having you > > mistakenly categorised as collector-buddy and friend. > > If you take a deep breeze and put yourself into my position, Would you > > take the risk for some $ 30 bucks to having the Fed's snooping through > > every corner of your property, getting dragged to court and being punished > > with a severe penalty? You don't seem to be so stupid, so I assume you > > will take my point. > > > > Yes, Steve, you paid straight away for these pieces via PayPal, which you > > always do and what I always appreciated. And I refunded you the money via > > PayPal straight away and asked you, if I can do anything for you, as I > > reckoned I would owe you one. I guess this straighten this out. > > > > I still have to obey to the law here in Australia, and if you are > > suggesting that the meteorite community in America bluntly can ignore the > > law over there, I believe you are very much mistaken. I am also sure that > > most Americans uphold the law. > > I still believe that we can solve this little dispute between us. But if > > you prefer to put it onto the billboard, to the list or where ever, I > > can't stop you, feel free! > > > > At last: I will not take your expression of "your phony selling > > technikes". For this you will give me an explanation and take it back. > > If you want to do anything with eBay, that's fine with me, go ahead! > > > &g
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Hi Norbert and Steve, in my still unimpaired world of elfs and dwarfs I still believe in the ratio of humans (though some individuals make it not easy for me sometimes) and especially in the meteorite community I can count the cases of frustration in more than 20 years on the fingers of half a hand. So Steve, Norbert made an oversight (although it was in Australian ebay and in the description again mentioned else), he apologized, so be a man and take back the negative feedbacks - that's possible in ebay if both parties agree. Norbert is an absolutely honest, nice and respected person, much valued by all for being an excellent source for the Aussie-meteorites and take finally a look in your own ebay feedback! There you find a positive feedback from me, after that thing what happened between us, where after 4 months you still haven't fully paid Oliver and where I wasted so many hours in writing to you, finally spending my own money to help you to get the thing straight, although you had enough for you own in selling and buying stones meanwhile. So think first about your very own behaviour, before you dare to destroy the flawless and huge, positive feedback account of one of the best meteorite dealers of a whole continent. Martin - Original Message - From: "ROCKS ON FIRE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 5:16 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Does this rectify negative feedback? > Hello, Folks, > > may I ask your opinion: > > I listed 2 items (Haig irons) on ebay and forgot to take out Posts to > Worldwide, leaving only Posts to Australia, but mentioned in the > describtion Sorry, Australia only! > > One wellknown meteorite collector/dealer from Chicago accquired both > with Buy it now option and paid straight way for them via PayPal. > > Now I realised the mistake, as I do not have an export permit for this > meteorite and wrote this gentleman an apologetic letter and refunded the > money straight away. > > It hit me a bit hard when I got his reply (strange wordings, read below, > if you want) and saw that he had given me 2 negative feedbacks for that. > > I always thought we are some sort of a family and would try to sort > things out - I have tried! > > I would very much appreciate your honest opinion in this matter, as this > is the very first negative feedback on our proud 1000+ positive record. > ( If you are bored you can go throught the correspondense following.) > > Thanks for your advise and > > > Best regards from DOWN-UNDER, > > > Norbert & Heike Kammel > ROCKS ON FIRE >IMCA #3420 > www.rocksonfire.com <%3Fhttp://www.rocksonfire.com%3F> > > > > Dear Steve, > > I am very sorry that you are taking this mishap so hard. > I was always under the impression that you are a gentleman and would > understand that we all are only human and can make mistakes. > > This was a honest listing mistake and my describtion also clearly stated > "Sorry, Australia only!" I do understand that this is not much comfort > for you, and I can only offer you my humble apologies, and I am sorry to > loosing you as a good customer. But I am also sorry to having you > mistakenly categorised as collector-buddy and friend. > If you take a deep breeze and put yourself into my position, Would you > take the risk for some $ 30 bucks to having the Fed's snooping through > every corner of your property, getting dragged to court and being > punished with a severe penalty? You don't seem to be so stupid, so I > assume you will take my point. > > Yes, Steve, you paid straight away for these pieces via PayPal, which > you always do and what I always appreciated. And I refunded you the > money via PayPal straight away and asked you, if I can do anything for > you, as I reckoned I would owe you one. I guess this straighten this out. > > I still have to obey to the law here in Australia, and if you are > suggesting that the meteorite community in America bluntly can ignore > the law over there, I believe you are very much mistaken. I am also sure > that most Americans uphold the law. > I still believe that we can solve this little dispute between us. But if > you prefer to put it onto the billboard, to the list or where ever, I > can't stop you, feel free! > > At last: I will not take your expression of "your phony selling > technikes". For this you will give me an explanation and take it back. > If you want to do anything with eBay, that's fine with me, go ahead! > > I apologised to you for having made a honest mistake and thought you > would take it as a gentleman. > But if you reckon that you are the only unfailable man in the world and > that the law is only there when it suits you,
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Norbert and List, I for one am in full support of you and your efforts to rectify a problem with a person who is not only extremely self-serving but boorish and uncouth as well. Some members of this list often stand in defence of Steve Arnold (Chicago) but I'm quite sure they haven't been the recipients of any of his nasty and threatening private emails. As you have seen in many of the replies to your original email, most Americans do not share Steve's beliefs about national laws and policies. He is merely showing his true colors which are definitely not red, white and blue. To go into great detail would be a waste of my time, but anyone who wishes to search the archives can find several of the blunders committed by Mr. Arnold himself. Off hand, I can remember Ebay auctions with the wrong pictures and/or wrong weights of specimens. His flap with Matteo is a good example. In most of these instances, Steve simple went to ground for a while until things blew over. He would like everyone to dismiss his errors as "honest mistakes" and forget about the issue. So, forget about his butchery of the English language, the blurry pictures and the non-stop bragging attempting to impress everyone. Just remember he has a different side to him that many of you haven't witnessed personally like Norbert has. And finally to Steve. I will no longer tutor you in proper behavior by suggesting ways for you to get yourself out of the jams you are constantly stuck in. From now on, and for the better good of honest and respectable list members, I reserve the right to post to this list any email you send to me personally so that members of this list can see you for what you really are. With all due respect to those who are deserving, John Gwilliam At 08:16 PM 4/4/2005, ROCKS ON FIRE wrote: Hello, Folks, may I ask your opinion: I listed 2 items (Haig irons) on ebay and forgot to take out Posts to Worldwide, leaving only Posts to Australia, but mentioned in the describtion Sorry, Australia only! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Dag gon-it Norbert, you've gone ahead and said the S word, interrupting 12 days of bliss. Please folks, let's be careful out there, and try not to mention the S word for 10 more days. ahhh10 more daysmaybe the vacuum of life will take these problems awaya John -- Original message from ROCKS ON FIRE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: -- > Hello, Folks, > > may I ask your opinion: > > I listed 2 items (Haig irons) on ebay and forgot to take out Posts to > Worldwide, leaving only Posts to Australia, but mentioned in the > describtion Sorry, Australia only! > > One wellknown meteorite collector/dealer from Chicago accquired both > with Buy it now option and paid straight way for them via PayPal. > > Now I realised the mistake, as I do not have an export permit for this > meteorite and wrote this gentleman an apologetic letter and refunded the > money straight away. > > It hit me a bit hard when I got his reply (strange wordings, read below, > if you want) and saw that he had given me 2 negative feedbacks for that. > > I always thought we are some sort of a family and would try to sort > things out - I have tried! > > I would very much appreciate your honest opinion in this matter, as this > is the very first negative feedback on our proud 1000+ positive record. > ( If you are bored you can go throught the correspondense following.) > > Thanks for your advise and > > > Best regards from DOWN-UNDER, > > > Norbert & Heike Kammel > ROCKS ON FIRE > IMCA #3420 > www.rocksonfire.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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But John He didn't say the dreaded "S" word, only an implication that said "collector/dealer" was one and the same person. Note also how Norbert referred to the "collector/dealer" as a "gentleman". Hohohoba [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Dag gon-it Norbert, you've gone ahead and said the S word, interrupting 12 > days of bliss. > > Please folks, let's be careful out there, and try not to mention the S word > for 10 more days. > > ahhh10 more daysmaybe the vacuum of life will take these problems > awaya > > John > > -- Original message from ROCKS ON FIRE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > -- > > > Hello, Folks, > > > > may I ask your opinion: > > > > I listed 2 items (Haig irons) on ebay and forgot to take out Posts to > > Worldwide, leaving only Posts to Australia, but mentioned in the > > describtion Sorry, Australia only! > > > > One wellknown meteorite collector/dealer from Chicago accquired both > > with Buy it now option and paid straight way for them via PayPal. > > > > Now I realised the mistake, as I do not have an export permit for this > > meteorite and wrote this gentleman an apologetic letter and refunded the > > money straight away. > > > > It hit me a bit hard when I got his reply (strange wordings, read below, > > if you want) and saw that he had given me 2 negative feedbacks for that. > > > > I always thought we are some sort of a family and would try to sort > > things out - I have tried! > > > > I would very much appreciate your honest opinion in this matter, as this > > is the very first negative feedback on our proud 1000+ positive record. > > ( If you are bored you can go throught the correspondense following.) > > > > Thanks for your advise and > > > > > > Best regards from DOWN-UNDER, > > > > > > Norbert & Heike Kammel > > ROCKS ON FIRE > > IMCA #3420 > > www.rocksonfire.com > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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As a newer list member that was somewhat curious as to why Steve was so unpopular, I think after seeing that email I now understand. I agree that if you have even a shred of dignity you will pull that negative feedback Steve. Bill S. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I have to agree Steve. Remove the negative feedbacks. but the only way to do it is if Norbert replies negatively to yours and THEN you MUTUALLY remove them. I know because I was a bonehead who left premature neatives on John Sinclair who in NO WAY deserves negative anything! Like the MAN said "Be a man Steve!" Jerry - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "ROCKS ON FIRE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Does this rectify negative feedback? After reading that, you wonder why the entire world hates Americans. Steve, be a man and remove those feedbacks from him. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: "ROCKS ON FIRE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 8:16 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Does this rectify negative feedback? Hello, Folks, may I ask your opinion: I listed 2 items (Haig irons) on ebay and forgot to take out Posts to Worldwide, leaving only Posts to Australia, but mentioned in the describtion Sorry, Australia only! One wellknown meteorite collector/dealer from Chicago accquired both with Buy it now option and paid straight way for them via PayPal. Now I realised the mistake, as I do not have an export permit for this meteorite and wrote this gentleman an apologetic letter and refunded the money straight away. It hit me a bit hard when I got his reply (strange wordings, read below, if you want) and saw that he had given me 2 negative feedbacks for that. I always thought we are some sort of a family and would try to sort things out - I have tried! I would very much appreciate your honest opinion in this matter, as this is the very first negative feedback on our proud 1000+ positive record. ( If you are bored you can go throught the correspondense following.) Thanks for your advise and Best regards from DOWN-UNDER, Norbert & Heike Kammel ROCKS ON FIRE IMCA #3420 www.rocksonfire.com <%3Fhttp://www.rocksonfire.com%3F> Dear Steve, I am very sorry that you are taking this mishap so hard. I was always under the impression that you are a gentleman and would understand that we all are only human and can make mistakes. This was a honest listing mistake and my describtion also clearly stated "Sorry, Australia only!" I do understand that this is not much comfort for you, and I can only offer you my humble apologies, and I am sorry to loosing you as a good customer. But I am also sorry to having you mistakenly categorised as collector-buddy and friend. If you take a deep breeze and put yourself into my position, Would you take the risk for some $ 30 bucks to having the Fed's snooping through every corner of your property, getting dragged to court and being punished with a severe penalty? You don't seem to be so stupid, so I assume you will take my point. Yes, Steve, you paid straight away for these pieces via PayPal, which you always do and what I always appreciated. And I refunded you the money via PayPal straight away and asked you, if I can do anything for you, as I reckoned I would owe you one. I guess this straighten this out. I still have to obey to the law here in Australia, and if you are suggesting that the meteorite community in America bluntly can ignore the law over there, I believe you are very much mistaken. I am also sure that most Americans uphold the law. I still believe that we can solve this little dispute between us. But if you prefer to put it onto the billboard, to the list or where ever, I can't stop you, feel free! At last: I will not take your expression of "your phony selling technikes". For this you will give me an explanation and take it back. If you want to do anything with eBay, that's fine with me, go ahead! I apologised to you for having made a honest mistake and thought you would take it as a gentleman. But if you reckon that you are the only unfailable man in the world and that the law is only there when it suits you, when you cannot see a genuine mistake, Sorry, Mate, you then certainly lost me! Best regards from DOWN-UNDER, Norbert & Heike Kammel ROCKS ON FIRE IMCA #3420 www.rocksonfire.com <%3Fhttp://www.rocksonfire.com%3F> Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: I am really pissed off at you for this.I legally paid for those 2 items.It was on ebay and that is legal purchaing.It does not matter where in this god forsaken world it is.And I REALLY DO NOT CARE FOR YOUR STUPID EXPORT LAW.We don't have that over in the greatest country in the world.I paid for those pieces legally and I should get them.I am going to file a grievance to ebay on your phony selling techniques.You do not see any other countrys with this stupid export laws.HOW STUPID CAN A COUNTRY BE???.Meteorites run thru the usa like water in a siv.I am sorry to do this norbert.But what you are doing is totall
