Re: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!

2010-02-04 Thread Dennis Miller

What I find that works well, is the clear non-drying,
snot like, sticky stuff, that they send your new credit
cards in the mail with.  I sure wish I could find out
who makes that stuff and how to purchase it.
Dennis


> From: b...@peaktopeak.com
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 21:28:30 -0700
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!
>
> Hi all,
>
> I found the Mineral Tack on their website. I guess they call their business
> Shannon and Son's Minerals now. Here is a direct link to the stuff.
>
> http://www.shannonsminerals.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=329&products_
> id=30124
>
> It's a silicone-based tack. At first glance it looks blue, but that is the
> packaging. It is an off-white color (slightly grayish but more white than
> gray). I've used it for 10 years or so.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Bob
> Loeffler
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 9:20 PM
> To: 'meteorite-list'
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!
>
> I've never used Mineral Tack with meteorites, but it is very safe
> (chemically) for all mineral specimens that I've used it on. I've never
> seen any staining or noticeable chemical changes in my specimens. It is not
> supposed to have any oils in it, but maybe there are a few different brands
> and some are better than others. I got mine from David Shannon Minerals in
> Mesa, Arizona (I think). David passed away a couple years ago, but his wife
> and family were still in business a year ago. Not sure about now.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Richard
> Kowalski
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 8:33 AM
> To: meteorite-list; Erik Fisler
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!
>
> I'm sure this will be a touchy subject, just as it is in the greater mineral
> collector and curator field, but "Mineral Tack" is widely suggested. White
> apparently isn't widely available any longer but blue should be available in
> office supply stores.
>
> Here is one retailer selling what I am talking about.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yl6yo8c
>
>
> Use it sparingly as a small ball behind the specimen, or on either end of a
> small stick (toothpick) to support the specimen .
>
> Alternatively if you don't want to have anything "tacky" touching your
> specimens, use some crumpled up some Aluminium foil to support the specimen.
>
> I'm assuming this is just for something like photography, so make sure
> whatever you use is not visible from the camera.
>
> If you are talking long term display, an acrylic or metal stand is
> preferred.
>
> --
> Richard Kowalski
> Full Moon Photography
> IMCA #1081
>
>
> --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Erik Fisler wrote:
>
>> From: Erik Fisler 
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!
>> To: "meteorite-list" 
>> Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 6:56 AM
>>
>> What should I use to prop up stones?
>>
>> [Erik]
>
>
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!

2010-02-04 Thread Ed Deckert
I have used a popular children's toy, "Lego Blocks," to hold up mineral 
specimens for display.  They snap together, and can even be cut using a 
Dremel tool to accommodate odd shapes.  If necessary, before sitting the 
specimen on the Legos, a piece of cloth can be draped over the Legos to hide 
them from view.


For really heavy stuff, I don't know how well they would work out without 
separating from the weight.  But for reasonable weights(maybe up to a kilo,) 
if put together properly, I expect they should hold together just fine.


Legos are not all that expensive.  I got a big tub of Legos on a clearance 
sale after Christmas a few years ago, making them an even better bargain.


Ed

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From: "Richard Kowalski" 
To: "meteorite-list" ; "Erik Fisler" 


Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!


I'm sure this will be a touchy subject, just as it is in the greater 
mineral collector and curator field, but "Mineral Tack" is widely 
suggested. White apparently isn't widely available any longer but blue 
should be available in office supply stores.


Here is one retailer selling what I am talking about.

http://tinyurl.com/yl6yo8c


Use it sparingly as a small ball behind the specimen, or on either end of 
a small stick (toothpick) to support the specimen .


Alternatively if you don't want to have anything "tacky" touching your 
specimens, use some crumpled up some Aluminium foil to support the 
specimen.


I'm assuming this is just for something like photography, so make sure 
whatever you use is not visible from the camera.


If you are talking long term display, an acrylic or metal stand is 
preferred.


--
Richard Kowalski
Full Moon Photography
IMCA #1081


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From: Erik Fisler 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!
To: "meteorite-list" 
Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 6:56 AM

What should I use to prop up stones?

[Erik]




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Re: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!

2010-02-04 Thread Bob Loeffler
Hi all,

I found the Mineral Tack on their website.  I guess they call their business
Shannon and Son's Minerals now.  Here is a direct link to the stuff.

http://www.shannonsminerals.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=329&products_
id=30124

It's a silicone-based tack.  At first glance it looks blue, but that is the
packaging.  It is an off-white color (slightly grayish but more white than
gray).  I've used it for 10 years or so.

Regards,

Bob



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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Loeffler
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 9:20 PM
To: 'meteorite-list'
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!

I've never used Mineral Tack with meteorites, but it is very safe
(chemically) for all mineral specimens that I've used it on.  I've never
seen any staining or noticeable chemical changes in my specimens.  It is not
supposed to have any oils in it, but maybe there are a few different brands
and some are better than others.  I got mine from David Shannon Minerals in
Mesa, Arizona (I think).  David passed away a couple years ago, but his wife
and family were still in business a year ago.  Not sure about now.

Regards,

Bob



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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Kowalski
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 8:33 AM
To: meteorite-list; Erik Fisler
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!

I'm sure this will be a touchy subject, just as it is in the greater mineral
collector and curator field, but "Mineral Tack" is widely suggested. White
apparently isn't widely available any longer but blue should be available in
office supply stores.

Here is one retailer selling what I am talking about.

http://tinyurl.com/yl6yo8c


Use it sparingly as a small ball behind the specimen, or on either end of a
small stick (toothpick) to support the specimen .

Alternatively if you don't want to have anything "tacky" touching your
specimens, use some crumpled up some Aluminium foil to support the specimen.

I'm assuming this is just for something like photography, so make sure
whatever you use is not visible from the camera.

If you are talking long term display, an acrylic or metal stand is
preferred.

--
Richard Kowalski
Full Moon Photography
IMCA #1081


--- On Thu, 2/4/10, Erik Fisler  wrote:

> From: Erik Fisler 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!
> To: "meteorite-list" 
> Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 6:56 AM
> 
> What should I use to prop up stones?
> 
> [Erik]


  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!

2010-02-04 Thread Bob Loeffler
I've never used Mineral Tack with meteorites, but it is very safe
(chemically) for all mineral specimens that I've used it on.  I've never
seen any staining or noticeable chemical changes in my specimens.  It is not
supposed to have any oils in it, but maybe there are a few different brands
and some are better than others.  I got mine from David Shannon Minerals in
Mesa, Arizona (I think).  David passed away a couple years ago, but his wife
and family were still in business a year ago.  Not sure about now.

Regards,

Bob



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From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Kowalski
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 8:33 AM
To: meteorite-list; Erik Fisler
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!

I'm sure this will be a touchy subject, just as it is in the greater mineral
collector and curator field, but "Mineral Tack" is widely suggested. White
apparently isn't widely available any longer but blue should be available in
office supply stores.

Here is one retailer selling what I am talking about.

http://tinyurl.com/yl6yo8c


Use it sparingly as a small ball behind the specimen, or on either end of a
small stick (toothpick) to support the specimen .

Alternatively if you don't want to have anything "tacky" touching your
specimens, use some crumpled up some Aluminium foil to support the specimen.

I'm assuming this is just for something like photography, so make sure
whatever you use is not visible from the camera.

If you are talking long term display, an acrylic or metal stand is
preferred.

--
Richard Kowalski
Full Moon Photography
IMCA #1081


--- On Thu, 2/4/10, Erik Fisler  wrote:

> From: Erik Fisler 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!
> To: "meteorite-list" 
> Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 6:56 AM
> 
> What should I use to prop up stones?
> 
> [Erik]


  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!

2010-02-04 Thread Mark Bowling
Kitty litter is similar to a product used to clean up oil spills, which is 
called "floor dry".  I'm not sure, but perhaps it's a bit better suited for 
oils (maybe worth to try as an alternative to kitty litter).  But maybe it's 
the same stuff, just packaged differently and the price marked up for sale to 
industrial sites

Mark B



- Original Message 
From: Larry & Twink Monrad 
To: Erik Fisler ; meteorite-list 

Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 7:02:43 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!

I have a question.  At my Lapidary Club when minerals are cut with a saw using 
oil, even some minerals absorb the oil.  They put them in a box with kitty 
litter and the oil stain comes out.  Would this work for the stained 
meteorites?  I have not tried it yet but do have several  stone meteorite 
specimens which are stained from the putty stuff.
Twink Monrad 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!

2010-02-04 Thread Mark Bowling
So Martin,

Is there anything that can be done by oil damage from materials other than 
putty (like vegetable or cooking oil)?

Thanks,
Mark



- Original Message 
From: Martin Altmann 
To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 5:08:00 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!

Erik,

please never use putty for meteorites.
Especially not with stone meteorites.

The oils and softeners of these putties, even if recommended by mineral
people, are going with time deep into the stone, making huge blackish
irreversible stains.

I had some customers, who ruined half of their collections and unfortunately
many historic pieces among them, having them fixed with putty in their
boxes.

Best,
Martin


>Jason if you want to twist and distort things than buy silly putty. Works
>great for holding meteorites for photographs or display.  

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Re: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!

2010-02-04 Thread Martin Altmann
Hi Leigh Anne,

yes, these accidents happened with some putties or mineral tacks, commonly
used by mineral collectors to mount their micromounts in boxes.
I don't know the specific brands they used, but was that stuff you can buy
at every mineral show or as accessory in mineral shops.

I'm not a chemist but they seem to contain fat, which will be absorbed by
the meteorites (irons seems to have of course not that problem).

Those collectors, who ruined their collections, were used to mount their
slices upright in acrylic boxes,
and even if the contact surfaces with the putty wasn't larger than a brave
man's booger, the material surrounding turned after a year black (even white
Stannern, Millbillillie, Camel Donga) in an area as large as a thumbnail.

And it was going deep, so that you couldn't grind it away.
Tried everything to clean it, all kind of solvents, without success.
O.k. maybe one could bleach it with acids, but then the meteorite would be
the same worthless.

Twink, I just asked my cat.
She said, if it is a humidity problem, rice grains should work as well as
kitty litter,
but I fear, other than with freshly cut surfaces, the putty stains are going
deeper and are already dry.


Well in general, I don't know, whether there are super-special tacks,
perhaps suitable also for meteorites,

but I'd say, these stones had a happy life for 4.5Gyears, before they had
bad luck and felt on this inhospitable planet,
where they suffer from oxygen, humidity, acids, our sweat (and tears)
and we discuss so often here on the list about preservation, curation,
cleaning, rust, bleeding, lawrencite...

...that we simply should abstain from putty.

Well, how to fix - I don't know, whether it's necessary.
Just use stands. Some use also neodyme magnets for the irons.
For micromounts membrane boxes could be an alternative, if you want to have
the meteorites standing upright, just put the boxes upright.

Best!
Martin



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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Leigh
Anne Delray
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 4. Februar 2010 13:44
An: Martin Altmann; meteorite-list
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!

Martin,
Does the mineral tack do this as well? I have never heard of this,  
good to know.
Leigh Anne

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On Feb 4, 2010, at 5:08 AM, "Martin Altmann"  wrote:

> Erik,
>
> please never use putty for meteorites.
> Especially not with stone meteorites.
>
> The oils and softeners of these putties, even if recommended by  
> mineral
> people, are going with time deep into the stone, making huge blackish
> irreversible stains.
>
> I had some customers, who ruined half of their collections and  
> unfortunately
> many historic pieces among them, having them fixed with putty in their
> boxes.
>
> Best,
> Martin
>
>
>> Jason if you want to twist and distort things than buy silly putty.  
>> Works
>> great for holding meteorites for photographs or display.
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!

2010-02-04 Thread Dark Matter
If the specimen is small and of garden variety chondrite, it may stick
just fine to a Nd magnet which can then be attached to something else.
Small irons, of course, work the best.

Here's a link to where I use a Nd magnet to hold specimens for photography.

http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2003/July/Accretion_Desk.htm

Best,

Martin



On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Richard Kowalski  wrote:
> I'm sure this will be a touchy subject, just as it is in the greater mineral 
> collector and curator field, but "Mineral Tack" is widely suggested. White 
> apparently isn't widely available any longer but blue should be available in 
> office supply stores.
>
> Here is one retailer selling what I am talking about.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yl6yo8c
>
>
> Use it sparingly as a small ball behind the specimen, or on either end of a 
> small stick (toothpick) to support the specimen .
>
> Alternatively if you don't want to have anything "tacky" touching your 
> specimens, use some crumpled up some Aluminium foil to support the specimen.
>
> I'm assuming this is just for something like photography, so make sure 
> whatever you use is not visible from the camera.
>
> If you are talking long term display, an acrylic or metal stand is preferred.
>
> --
> Richard Kowalski
> Full Moon Photography
> IMCA #1081
>
>
> --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Erik Fisler  wrote:
>
>> From: Erik Fisler 
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!
>> To: "meteorite-list" 
>> Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 6:56 AM
>>
>> What should I use to prop up stones?
>>
>> [Erik]
>
>
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty! #2

2010-02-04 Thread Frank Cressy
Hello all,

On a more serious note, you can put your specimen in a membrane box and the use 
an adhesive or putty under the box and have no problems at all.

Cheers,

Frank



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From: Erik Fisler 
To: meteorite-list 
Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 5:56:53 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!


What should I use to prop up stones?

[Erik]


> From: altm...@meteorite-martin.de
> To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 13:08:00 +0100
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!
>
> Erik,
>
> please never use putty for meteorites.
> Especially not with stone meteorites.
>
> The oils and softeners of these putties, even if recommended by mineral
> people, are going with time deep into the stone, making huge blackish
> irreversible stains.
>
> I had some customers, who ruined half of their collections and unfortunately
> many historic pieces among them, having them fixed with putty in their
> boxes.
>
> Best,
> Martin
>
>
>>Jason if you want to twist and distort things than buy silly putty. Works
>>great for holding meteorites for photographs or display.
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!

2010-02-04 Thread Richard Kowalski
I'm sure this will be a touchy subject, just as it is in the greater mineral 
collector and curator field, but "Mineral Tack" is widely suggested. White 
apparently isn't widely available any longer but blue should be available in 
office supply stores.

Here is one retailer selling what I am talking about.

http://tinyurl.com/yl6yo8c


Use it sparingly as a small ball behind the specimen, or on either end of a 
small stick (toothpick) to support the specimen .

Alternatively if you don't want to have anything "tacky" touching your 
specimens, use some crumpled up some Aluminium foil to support the specimen.

I'm assuming this is just for something like photography, so make sure whatever 
you use is not visible from the camera.

If you are talking long term display, an acrylic or metal stand is preferred.

--
Richard Kowalski
Full Moon Photography
IMCA #1081


--- On Thu, 2/4/10, Erik Fisler  wrote:

> From: Erik Fisler 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!
> To: "meteorite-list" 
> Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 6:56 AM
> 
> What should I use to prop up stones?
> 
> [Erik]


  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!

2010-02-04 Thread Frank Cressy
Hello Erik and all,

I've used gravity for many years now and never had any problems.  It easy to 
come by and inexpensive.

Cheers,

Frank  ;-)



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From: Erik Fisler 
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!


What should I use to prop up stones?

[Erik]


> From: altm...@meteorite-martin.de
> To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 13:08:00 +0100
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!
>
> Erik,
>
> please never use putty for meteorites.
> Especially not with stone meteorites.
>
> The oils and softeners of these putties, even if recommended by mineral
> people, are going with time deep into the stone, making huge blackish
> irreversible stains.
>
> I had some customers, who ruined half of their collections and unfortunately
> many historic pieces among them, having them fixed with putty in their
> boxes.
>
> Best,
> Martin
>
>
>>Jason if you want to twist and distort things than buy silly putty. Works
>>great for holding meteorites for photographs or display.
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!

2010-02-04 Thread Larry & Twink Monrad
I have a question.  At my Lapidary Club when minerals are cut with a saw 
using oil, even some minerals absorb the oil.  They put them in a box with 
kitty litter and the oil stain comes out.  Would this work for the stained 
meteorites?  I have not tried it yet but do have several  stone meteorite 
specimens which are stained from the putty stuff.
Twink Monrad 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!

2010-02-04 Thread Erik Fisler

What should I use to prop up stones?

[Erik]


> From: altm...@meteorite-martin.de
> To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 13:08:00 +0100
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!
>
> Erik,
>
> please never use putty for meteorites.
> Especially not with stone meteorites.
>
> The oils and softeners of these putties, even if recommended by mineral
> people, are going with time deep into the stone, making huge blackish
> irreversible stains.
>
> I had some customers, who ruined half of their collections and unfortunately
> many historic pieces among them, having them fixed with putty in their
> boxes.
>
> Best,
> Martin
>
>
>>Jason if you want to twist and distort things than buy silly putty. Works
>>great for holding meteorites for photographs or display.
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!

2010-02-04 Thread Leigh Anne Delray

Martin,
Does the mineral tack do this as well? I have never heard of this,  
good to know.

Leigh Anne

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On Feb 4, 2010, at 5:08 AM, "Martin Altmann" > wrote:



Erik,

please never use putty for meteorites.
Especially not with stone meteorites.

The oils and softeners of these putties, even if recommended by  
mineral

people, are going with time deep into the stone, making huge blackish
irreversible stains.

I had some customers, who ruined half of their collections and  
unfortunately

many historic pieces among them, having them fixed with putty in their
boxes.

Best,
Martin


Jason if you want to twist and distort things than buy silly putty.  
Works

great for holding meteorites for photographs or display.


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[meteorite-list] Don't use putty!

2010-02-04 Thread Martin Altmann
Erik,

please never use putty for meteorites.
Especially not with stone meteorites.

The oils and softeners of these putties, even if recommended by mineral
people, are going with time deep into the stone, making huge blackish
irreversible stains.

I had some customers, who ruined half of their collections and unfortunately
many historic pieces among them, having them fixed with putty in their
boxes.

Best,
Martin


>Jason if you want to twist and distort things than buy silly putty. Works
>great for holding meteorites for photographs or display.  

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