Re: [meteorite-list] EBAY not fixed. I just REALLY wanted it!!!
Greg I buy, I don't sell. I'm so hopeless when it comes to mailing stuff that I'd get murdered on the feedback for taking weeks to get round to posting the stuff. Anyway, I'm going to explain it simply as there may be times when you fall victim to me by what you describe. Normally, I wait until the auction is about to end and then try to snipe it (outbid everyone else at the last minute). This usually works for me because I'm usually prepared to pay more for something I really want than others. Sometimes it doesn't. The reason it may not work is because someone outsnipes me (not a real word but who cares). Other times its because of what happened to you. Living in the UK, I cannot often be up at 3am when the auctions end so if I really REALLY want something, I'll put in an outrageous bid which I'm pretty sure nobody will outbid/snipe. Fortunately, it doesn't declare this full amount as my bid. It only places the amount to make me highest bidder. Whenever someone tries to outbid me, ebay will increase my bid up to but not beyond the maxmimum I was prepared to go. Often, My max bid on something I havetohave may be 2-3times market value of the meteorite I want. Nobody's going to bid this high and nobody's going to snipe that high either. So I win. Best of all, the following morning when I check expecting to have delicate parts of my body removed by my wife for spending so much, I find that the price I have to pay is much lower than I was prepared to go. I've taken a couple of real gems this way. 244mg of NWA3163 spring to mind as my favourite :) I'm pretty sure Dave F was not trying to be rude. The problem with written text is context is often hard to determine unless you're Shakespeare, Hemmingway, Tolstoy etc... Good luck with the bidding in future. Rob McC --- GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Daniel, I've gotten a number of reasoned answers (though not from everyone) and to those who offered true help, like yourself, I say thanks. Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Daniel Svensson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed? hello, I think I might have an explanation: if there is a secret reserve you can raise your bid several times without anyone else bidding until you reach the limit of the secret reserve. In this case it will look like someone is bidding with themselfes. Why are people bidding before the last 30 seconds? Well this bidding is probably often raising the final price, but I see at least some possible reasons: 1. The person cannot bid at end of auction for practical reasons 2. They dont want to win, but want to raise the final price (for some reason) 3. It is fun! I hope this can be helpfull. /Daniel Svensson Hi Darren, I appreciate the link that you gave me which explains the bidding system on EBAY. I'll have to go back and check out EBAY more carefully. Perhaps I thought this has occurred and maybe I was wrong. I'll go and take a better look at it. Thanks for not shooting me and for giving a kind and thoughtful reply. Regards, Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 12:05 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed? On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:04:05 -0700, you wrote: My question still has not seemed to be answered. My concern is about someone who bids over and over with no apparent competition. They single handedly raise the price from $10.00 to $30.00 to $60.00 to $80.00, etc. It is not possible for someone-- with nobody else bidding against him-- to in any way change the price from the opening price (in a non-reserve auction). Let's say there is an item with a starting bid of 99 cents. Only one person bids on it. He could modify his bid 1500 times and the auction price isn't going to go above 99 cents if nobody is bidding against him. And, even after the close of the auction, you'll never see what his maximum bid price was, only what the auction closed at. What you are describing doesn't happen. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __
Re: [meteorite-list] EBAY not fixed. I just REALLY wanted it!!!
Hi Rob, Thanks so much for your reply. Last night I got some very good explanations to my question. Your answer just adds to my understanding. I can now see how one person *seems* to be deliberately bidding up the price of an item, when in reality this is not necessarily the case. Again, thanks for taking the time to explain. Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Rob McCafferty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 5:11 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] EBAY not fixed. I just REALLY wanted it!!! Greg I buy, I don't sell. I'm so hopeless when it comes to mailing stuff that I'd get murdered on the feedback for taking weeks to get round to posting the stuff. Anyway, I'm going to explain it simply as there may be times when you fall victim to me by what you describe. Normally, I wait until the auction is about to end and then try to snipe it (outbid everyone else at the last minute). This usually works for me because I'm usually prepared to pay more for something I really want than others. Sometimes it doesn't. The reason it may not work is because someone outsnipes me (not a real word but who cares). Other times its because of what happened to you. Living in the UK, I cannot often be up at 3am when the auctions end so if I really REALLY want something, I'll put in an outrageous bid which I'm pretty sure nobody will outbid/snipe. Fortunately, it doesn't declare this full amount as my bid. It only places the amount to make me highest bidder. Whenever someone tries to outbid me, ebay will increase my bid up to but not beyond the maxmimum I was prepared to go. Often, My max bid on something I havetohave may be 2-3times market value of the meteorite I want. Nobody's going to bid this high and nobody's going to snipe that high either. So I win. Best of all, the following morning when I check expecting to have delicate parts of my body removed by my wife for spending so much, I find that the price I have to pay is much lower than I was prepared to go. I've taken a couple of real gems this way. 244mg of NWA3163 spring to mind as my favourite :) I'm pretty sure Dave F was not trying to be rude. The problem with written text is context is often hard to determine unless you're Shakespeare, Hemmingway, Tolstoy etc... Good luck with the bidding in future. Rob McC --- GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Daniel, I've gotten a number of reasoned answers (though not from everyone) and to those who offered true help, like yourself, I say thanks. Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Daniel Svensson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed? hello, I think I might have an explanation: if there is a secret reserve you can raise your bid several times without anyone else bidding until you reach the limit of the secret reserve. In this case it will look like someone is bidding with themselfes. Why are people bidding before the last 30 seconds? Well this bidding is probably often raising the final price, but I see at least some possible reasons: 1. The person cannot bid at end of auction for practical reasons 2. They dont want to win, but want to raise the final price (for some reason) 3. It is fun! I hope this can be helpfull. /Daniel Svensson Hi Darren, I appreciate the link that you gave me which explains the bidding system on EBAY. I'll have to go back and check out EBAY more carefully. Perhaps I thought this has occurred and maybe I was wrong. I'll go and take a better look at it. Thanks for not shooting me and for giving a kind and thoughtful reply. Regards, Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 12:05 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed? On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:04:05 -0700, you wrote: My question still has not seemed to be answered. My concern is about someone who bids over and over with no apparent competition. They single handedly raise the price from $10.00 to $30.00 to $60.00 to $80.00, etc. It is not possible for someone-- with nobody else bidding against him-- to in any way change the price from the opening price (in a non-reserve auction). Let's say there is an item with a starting bid of 99 cents. Only one person bids on it. He could modify his bid 1500 times and the auction price isn't going to go above 99 cents if nobody is bidding against him
