[meteorite-list] Fossil as a 17th century term for excavated meteorite?
Hi list, Can anyone tell me when the word fossil was first used to describe meteorites of this kind? The use of the term to refer to obtaining anything by digging comes from the early 17th century, its use with chiefly organic remains a century later (1736). I was wondering whether the word, in the field of meteorites, had come to us from before 1736. Fossil: 1619, obtained by digging (adj.), from Fr. fossile, from L. fossilis dug up, from fossus, pp. of fodere to dig, from PIE base *bhedh- to dig, pierce. http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=fossilsearchmode=none Regards, Chris On Dec 2, 2007 5:48 PM, Chauncey Walden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dean, since the loose definition of fossil is any evidence of former life, obviously a meteorite, well, most;-), cannot be a fossil. Paleo, or old, is the better term, and in the case in discussion represents a meteorite that has fallen in past times to the extent of having been incorporated into what became a geologic formation and, in some cases, weathered out again. Your confusion seems to be between fossilization, or the preservation of any evidence of former life (like a basically unaltered mammoth tusk in the Artic), and petrification, or the replacement or pereservation of material by the introduction of silica, like petrified wood. The interesting thing, is that in well preserved petrified wood the cellulose can remain. The silica can be dissolved out and the cellulose structure captured and studied, even to the extent of taking biologic stains. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fossil as a [17th century] term for excavated meteorite
Chris inquired: Can anyone tell me when the word 'fossil' was first used to describe meteorites of this kind? It looks like this word has never been used at any time before the late 20th century to describe meteorites. Best regards, Bernd BUCHWALD V.F. (1975) Handbook of Iron Meteorites, Volume 3, pp. 1403-1408: Monturaqui: Taenite ribbons and plessite fields occurred locally; the fields were up to 1.1 x 0.4 mm in size, but were fossil; i.e., what remained was really only the high-nickel rim zones and the retained taenite (austenite) around martensite of high-nickel, high-carbon morphology. Thorslund, P., Wickman, F.E. (1981) Middle Ordovician chondrite in fossiliferous limestone from Brunflo, central Sweden (Nature, 289:285- 286). Catalogue of Meteorites (5th ed.) - Mar'inka: Cosmogenic Mn-53 is also similar to Sikhote-Alin values; it gives a terrestrial age of 10 m.y. Alekseev et al. conclude that Mar'inka cannot be a fossil meteorite, but is probably a fragment of Sikhote-Alin, while some details of its trace element chemistry differ from Sikhote-Alin (Met.Bull. 72, Meteoritics 27, 1992). SICREE A.A. et al. (1997) Potential for preservation and recovery of fossil iron meteorites from coal, trona, limestone and other sedimentary rocks (Meteoritics 32-4, 1997, A121): .. Lake Murray (Oklahoma), a IIB coarsest iron (10 mm) found in Cretaceous sandstone and the oldest known 'paleoiron' [Ref.: LaPaz L. (1953) Meteoritics 1, pp. 109-113]. KRING D.A. et al. (1998) Gold Basin Meteorite Strewn Field: The 'Fossil' remnants of an asteroid that catastrophically fragmented in Earth's atmosphere (Lunar and Planetary Science XXIX, in press, 1998). GOLD D.P. et al. (1999) A strategy for the search and recovery of fossil iron meteorites in sedimentary rocks (MAPS 34-4, 1999, A044). NORTON O.R. (1999) The Lake Murray octahedrite - a fossil meteorite (M! Nov. 1999, Vol. 5, No. 4, pp. 22-23). STEPNIEWSKI M. et al. (2000) Preliminary study of a new enstatite meteorite from Zaklodzie - southeast Poland (MAPS 35-5, 2000, Suppl., A152): ...According to the present results, Zaklodzie could be a fossil stone altered by weathering processes (W1/W2) and preserved in quaternary loess sediment ... HECK PH.R. et al. (2003) Evidence for the L-chondrite parent body breakup event? Cosmic-ray exposure ages of 480 Myr old fossil meteorites (MAPS 38-7, 2003, A044). __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fossil as a [17th century] term for excavated meteorite
How about this abstract: Nininger, H.H. (1973) Fossil meteorites. Meteoritics 8, p.61. http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?bibcode=%3F%3F%3F%3FMetic...8db_key=GENpage_ind=86data_type=GIFtype=SCREEN_VIEWclassic=YEShigh=46562617c114850 jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris inquired: Can anyone tell me when the word 'fossil' was first used to describe meteorites of this kind? It looks like this word has never been used at any time before the late 20th century to describe meteorites. Best regards, Bernd BUCHWALD V.F. (1975) Handbook of Iron Meteorites, Volume 3, pp. 1403-1408: Monturaqui: Taenite ribbons and plessite fields occurred locally; the fields were up to 1.1 x 0.4 mm in size, but were fossil; i.e., what remained was really only the high-nickel rim zones and the retained taenite (austenite) around martensite of high-nickel, high-carbon morphology. Thorslund, P., Wickman, F.E. (1981) Middle Ordovician chondrite in fossiliferous limestone from Brunflo, central Sweden (Nature, 289:285- 286). Catalogue of Meteorites (5th ed.) - Mar'inka: Cosmogenic Mn-53 is also similar to Sikhote-Alin values; it gives a terrestrial age of 10 m.y. Alekseev et al. conclude that Mar'inka cannot be a fossil meteorite, but is probably a fragment of Sikhote-Alin, while some details of its trace element chemistry differ from Sikhote-Alin (Met.Bull. 72, Meteoritics 27, 1992). SICREE A.A. et al. (1997) Potential for preservation and recovery of fossil iron meteorites from coal, trona, limestone and other sedimentary rocks (Meteoritics 32-4, 1997, A121): .. Lake Murray (Oklahoma), a IIB coarsest iron (10 mm) found in Cretaceous sandstone and the oldest known 'paleoiron' [Ref.: LaPaz L. (1953) Meteoritics 1, pp. 109-113]. KRING D.A. et al. (1998) Gold Basin Meteorite Strewn Field: The 'Fossil' remnants of an asteroid that catastrophically fragmented in Earth's atmosphere (Lunar and Planetary Science XXIX, in press, 1998). GOLD D.P. et al. (1999) A strategy for the search and recovery of fossil iron meteorites in sedimentary rocks (MAPS 34-4, 1999, A044). NORTON O.R. (1999) The Lake Murray octahedrite - a fossil meteorite (M! Nov. 1999, Vol. 5, No. 4, pp. 22-23). STEPNIEWSKI M. et al. (2000) Preliminary study of a new enstatite meteorite from Zaklodzie - southeast Poland (MAPS 35-5, 2000, Suppl., A152): ...According to the present results, Zaklodzie could be a fossil stone altered by weathering processes (W1/W2) and preserved in quaternary loess sediment ... HECK PH.R. et al. (2003) Evidence for the L-chondrite parent body breakup event? Cosmic-ray exposure ages of 480 Myr old fossil meteorites (MAPS 38-7, 2003, A044). __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fossil as a [17th century] term for excavated meteorite
Hi, I have found several references from 1871, using Google Book Search. Viewing is restricted to: Fossil Meteorite.— A new meteorite has just been discovered in the miocène ... This is the first instance on record of a truly fossil meteorite having been You can see further examples here: http://books.google.es/books?q=%22fossil+meteorite%22 I don't know what it is referring to. Best, Chris On 02 Dec 2007 20:03:16 UT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris inquired: Can anyone tell me when the word 'fossil' was first used to describe meteorites of this kind? It looks like this word has never been used at any time before the late 20th century to describe meteorites. Best regards, Bernd BUCHWALD V.F. (1975) Handbook of Iron Meteorites, Volume 3, pp. 1403-1408: Monturaqui: Taenite ribbons and plessite fields occurred locally; the fields were up to 1.1 x 0.4 mm in size, but were fossil; i.e., what remained was really only the high-nickel rim zones and the retained taenite (austenite) around martensite of high-nickel, high-carbon morphology. Thorslund, P., Wickman, F.E. (1981) Middle Ordovician chondrite in fossiliferous limestone from Brunflo, central Sweden (Nature, 289:285- 286). Catalogue of Meteorites (5th ed.) - Mar'inka: Cosmogenic Mn-53 is also similar to Sikhote-Alin values; it gives a terrestrial age of 10 m.y. Alekseev et al. conclude that Mar'inka cannot be a fossil meteorite, but is probably a fragment of Sikhote-Alin, while some details of its trace element chemistry differ from Sikhote-Alin (Met.Bull. 72, Meteoritics 27, 1992). SICREE A.A. et al. (1997) Potential for preservation and recovery of fossil iron meteorites from coal, trona, limestone and other sedimentary rocks (Meteoritics 32-4, 1997, A121): .. Lake Murray (Oklahoma), a IIB coarsest iron (10 mm) found in Cretaceous sandstone and the oldest known 'paleoiron' [Ref.: LaPaz L. (1953) Meteoritics 1, pp. 109-113]. KRING D.A. et al. (1998) Gold Basin Meteorite Strewn Field: The 'Fossil' remnants of an asteroid that catastrophically fragmented in Earth's atmosphere (Lunar and Planetary Science XXIX, in press, 1998). GOLD D.P. et al. (1999) A strategy for the search and recovery of fossil iron meteorites in sedimentary rocks (MAPS 34-4, 1999, A044). NORTON O.R. (1999) The Lake Murray octahedrite - a fossil meteorite (M! Nov. 1999, Vol. 5, No. 4, pp. 22-23). STEPNIEWSKI M. et al. (2000) Preliminary study of a new enstatite meteorite from Zaklodzie - southeast Poland (MAPS 35-5, 2000, Suppl., A152): ...According to the present results, Zaklodzie could be a fossil stone altered by weathering processes (W1/W2) and preserved in quaternary loess sediment ... HECK PH.R. et al. (2003) Evidence for the L-chondrite parent body breakup event? Cosmic-ray exposure ages of 480 Myr old fossil meteorites (MAPS 38-7, 2003, A044). __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fossil as a [17th century] term for excavated meteorite
Is not this the same question which was raised a few days ago clothed in the form of meteorite shale, which was answered quite effectively?? Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: chris aubeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fossil as a [17th century] term for excavated meteorite Hi, I have found several references from 1871, using Google Book Search. Viewing is restricted to: Fossil Meteorite.— A new meteorite has just been discovered in the miocène ... This is the first instance on record of a truly fossil meteorite having been You can see further examples here: http://books.google.es/books?q=%22fossil+meteorite%22 I don't know what it is referring to. Best, Chris On 02 Dec 2007 20:03:16 UT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris inquired: Can anyone tell me when the word 'fossil' was first used to describe meteorites of this kind? It looks like this word has never been used at any time before the late 20th century to describe meteorites. Best regards, Bernd BUCHWALD V.F. (1975) Handbook of Iron Meteorites, Volume 3, pp. 1403-1408: Monturaqui: Taenite ribbons and plessite fields occurred locally; the fields were up to 1.1 x 0.4 mm in size, but were fossil; i.e., what remained was really only the high-nickel rim zones and the retained taenite (austenite) around martensite of high-nickel, high-carbon morphology. Thorslund, P., Wickman, F.E. (1981) Middle Ordovician chondrite in fossiliferous limestone from Brunflo, central Sweden (Nature, 289:285- 286). Catalogue of Meteorites (5th ed.) - Mar'inka: Cosmogenic Mn-53 is also similar to Sikhote-Alin values; it gives a terrestrial age of 10 m.y. Alekseev et al. conclude that Mar'inka cannot be a fossil meteorite, but is probably a fragment of Sikhote-Alin, while some details of its trace element chemistry differ from Sikhote-Alin (Met.Bull. 72, Meteoritics 27, 1992). SICREE A.A. et al. (1997) Potential for preservation and recovery of fossil iron meteorites from coal, trona, limestone and other sedimentary rocks (Meteoritics 32-4, 1997, A121): .. Lake Murray (Oklahoma), a IIB coarsest iron (10 mm) found in Cretaceous sandstone and the oldest known 'paleoiron' [Ref.: LaPaz L. (1953) Meteoritics 1, pp. 109-113]. KRING D.A. et al. (1998) Gold Basin Meteorite Strewn Field: The 'Fossil' remnants of an asteroid that catastrophically fragmented in Earth's atmosphere (Lunar and Planetary Science XXIX, in press, 1998). GOLD D.P. et al. (1999) A strategy for the search and recovery of fossil iron meteorites in sedimentary rocks (MAPS 34-4, 1999, A044). NORTON O.R. (1999) The Lake Murray octahedrite - a fossil meteorite (M! Nov. 1999, Vol. 5, No. 4, pp. 22-23). STEPNIEWSKI M. et al. (2000) Preliminary study of a new enstatite meteorite from Zaklodzie - southeast Poland (MAPS 35-5, 2000, Suppl., A152): ...According to the present results, Zaklodzie could be a fossil stone altered by weathering processes (W1/W2) and preserved in quaternary loess sediment ... HECK PH.R. et al. (2003) Evidence for the L-chondrite parent body breakup event? Cosmic-ray exposure ages of 480 Myr old fossil meteorites (MAPS 38-7, 2003, A044). __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
