[meteorite-list] Grein 004/Tafassasset
Hi Norbert, Bernd, Harald, List, Thank you very much for the info about Grein 004/Tenere 001/Tafa. I indeed read that somewhere sometimes but I have not my archives on hand here in France (BM Met. Catalog (Grady) indeed currently gives most of the meteorite synonyms). Bernd said: Grein 004 as well as Tenere 001 are just synonyms for the Tafassasset Freiburg mass, a single stone weighing 3610 grams. It's no pairing. Bernd, Norbert, does that mean that the tkw for Tafassasset is then 110 kg (Franch find) + 3.61 kg (Grein 004) = 113.61 kg ? (thus [EMAIL PROTECTED] and not [EMAIL PROTECTED] kg as in A to Z ?). Met. Bull. indeed reports the tkw as 114 kg (approx), which well fits the figure. The official type so far is CR-an (Met. Bull.), or PAUNGR (A to Z). Do you agree ? I know that both meteorites were studied separately and that the real type could not be defined. Note that Weir (his web site) reports, for T-1 (= Tenere 001), a total weight of exactly 3.636 kg, also that is brachinite-related and that Tafa itself (separately listed by Weir but said being paired with T-1) is a PAUNGR, possibly CR-related. More recent studies seem to still question that CR-relation... I understand the real type is yet to be defined and that the tkw is close to [EMAIL PROTECTED] kg, more specifically [EMAIL PROTECTED] kg Norbert, do you think Prof Otto knows more on that or whether they continue to study this meteorite in Freiburg ? And Bernd, what you mean by it's no pairing ? Everybody seems to agree so far that the Freiburg mass is also Tafa. (?) All my best, Zelimir A 12:19 26/11/2008 +0100, vous avez écrit : Hi Zelimir, I don't know for NWA 3144, but Grein 004 is a synonym for Tafassasset - I'm pretty sure of that. Grein 004 was a working name used for the smaller mass which was later named as the Tafassasset Freiburg mass, classified and studied by my friend Dr. Otto in Freiburg. You might want to contact Juergen Otto in this matter, just to make sure - he can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hope this helps... All the best, Norbert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Hi List, Heredown is a message of Roger Warin (Belgium) that he apparently can not send through his server. I have my own question: does anybody know the official status of meteorite Grein 004 ? (not in Met. Bull.) Thanks! Zelimir -- Hello List, I have put some pics of NWA 3144 (CV3) thin sections on our local site. See here: http://www.agab.be/meteorites/Thin/thin.html Met. Bull. reports that this meteorite (found or purchased by the Hupés) still has a provisional status. I'd be glad to learn more about this meteorite. Could someone provide some data (if any) or send further comments on its status ? Thanks and all the best, Roger. Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Grein 004/Tafassasset
Hi All, And Bernd, what you mean by it's no pairing ? Everybody seems to agree so far that the Freiburg mass is also Tafa. (?) Zélimir, that's a misunderstanding! I only quoted what Norbert wrote to the List. These are not my words! Best, Bernd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Grein 004/Tafassasset
Hello Zelimir, Norbert and all, In a very recent conversation Tony Irving told me that he was re-doing the classification of Tafassasset with Ted Bunch, and that the results would be published in a formal paper. I belive they are practically done so the new classification should be announced pretty soon. And it is not bracchinite or CR6, and it is very interesting, but I would prefer to let them tell the story themselves. More soon. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 11/26/2008 9:52:23 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Norbert, Bernd, Harald, List, Thank you very much for the info about Grein 004/Tenere 001/Tafa. I indeed read that somewhere sometimes but I have not my archives on hand here in France (BM Met. Catalog (Grady) indeed currently gives most of the meteorite synonyms). Bernd said: Grein 004 as well as Tenere 001 are just synonyms for the Tafassasset Freiburg mass, a single stone weighing 3610 grams. It's no pairing. Bernd, Norbert, does that mean that the tkw for Tafassasset is then 110 kg (Franch find) + 3.61 kg (Grein 004) = 113.61 kg ? (thus [EMAIL PROTECTED] and not [EMAIL PROTECTED] kg as in A to Z ?). Met. Bull. indeed reports the tkw as 114 kg (approx), which well fits the figure. The official type so far is CR-an (Met. Bull.), or PAUNGR (A to Z). Do you agree ? I know that both meteorites were studied separately and that the real type could not be defined. Note that Weir (his web site) reports, for T-1 (= Tenere 001), a total weight of exactly 3.636 kg, also that is brachinite-related and that Tafa itself (separately listed by Weir but said being paired with T-1) is a PAUNGR, possibly CR-related. More recent studies seem to still question that CR-relation... I understand the real type is yet to be defined and that the tkw is close to [EMAIL PROTECTED] kg, more specifically [EMAIL PROTECTED] kg Norbert, do you think Prof Otto knows more on that or whether they continue to study this meteorite in Freiburg ? And Bernd, what you mean by it's no pairing ? Everybody seems to agree so far that the Freiburg mass is also Tafa. (?) All my best, Zelimir A 12:19 26/11/2008 +0100, vous avez écrit : Hi Zelimir, I don't know for NWA 3144, but Grein 004 is a synonym for Tafassasset - I'm pretty sure of that. Grein 004 was a working name used for the smaller mass which was later named as the Tafassasset Freiburg mass, classified and studied by my friend Dr. Otto in Freiburg. You might want to contact Juergen Otto in this matter, just to make sure - he can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hope this helps... All the best, Norbert **Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0002) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Grein 004/Tafassasset
Dear Zelimir, Yes, the Freiburg mass surely is Tafassasset - no doubt about that. And Dr. Otto won't do any further work on it because he emerited from Freiburg University in the meantime. But if you like to ask him for details about the Freiburg mass I'm sure he is willing to provide you with a wealth of information :-) Best, Norbert PS: You are absolutely correct about the TKW of Tafassasset - the original MetBull includes both, the Freiburg mass, and the additional masses that were studies in France. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Zelimir Gabelica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. November 2008 17:51 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Norbert Classen; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Zelimir Gabelica Betreff: Grein 004/Tafassasset Hi Norbert, Bernd, Harald, List, Thank you very much for the info about Grein 004/Tenere 001/Tafa. I indeed read that somewhere sometimes but I have not my archives on hand here in France (BM Met. Catalog (Grady) indeed currently gives most of the meteorite synonyms). Bernd said: Grein 004 as well as Tenere 001 are just synonyms for the Tafassasset Freiburg mass, a single stone weighing 3610 grams. It's no pairing. Bernd, Norbert, does that mean that the tkw for Tafassasset is then 110 kg (Franch find) + 3.61 kg (Grein 004) = 113.61 kg ? (thus [EMAIL PROTECTED] and not [EMAIL PROTECTED] kg as in A to Z ?). Met. Bull. indeed reports the tkw as 114 kg (approx), which well fits the figure. The official type so far is CR-an (Met. Bull.), or PAUNGR (A to Z). Do you agree ? I know that both meteorites were studied separately and that the real type could not be defined. Note that Weir (his web site) reports, for T-1 (= Tenere 001), a total weight of exactly 3.636 kg, also that is brachinite-related and that Tafa itself (separately listed by Weir but said being paired with T-1) is a PAUNGR, possibly CR-related. More recent studies seem to still question that CR-relation... I understand the real type is yet to be defined and that the tkw is close to [EMAIL PROTECTED] kg, more specifically [EMAIL PROTECTED] kg Norbert, do you think Prof Otto knows more on that or whether they continue to study this meteorite in Freiburg ? And Bernd, what you mean by it's no pairing ? Everybody seems to agree so far that the Freiburg mass is also Tafa. (?) All my best, Zelimir A 12:19 26/11/2008 +0100, vous avez écrit : Hi Zelimir, I don't know for NWA 3144, but Grein 004 is a synonym for Tafassasset - I'm pretty sure of that. Grein 004 was a working name used for the smaller mass which was later named as the Tafassasset Freiburg mass, classified and studied by my friend Dr. Otto in Freiburg. You might want to contact Juergen Otto in this matter, just to make sure - he can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hope this helps... All the best, Norbert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Hi List, Heredown is a message of Roger Warin (Belgium) that he apparently can not send through his server. I have my own question: does anybody know the official status of meteorite Grein 004 ? (not in Met. Bull.) Thanks! Zelimir -- Hello List, I have put some pics of NWA 3144 (CV3) thin sections on our local site. See here: http://www.agab.be/meteorites/Thin/thin.html Met. Bull. reports that this meteorite (found or purchased by the Hupés) still has a provisional status. I'd be glad to learn more about this meteorite. Could someone provide some data (if any) or send further comments on its status ? Thanks and all the best, Roger. Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Grein 004/Tafassasset
O please, Anne, spare us such a thrill. My Tafa-slice longs for knowing what it definitely is. My best, Matthias - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Grein 004/Tafassasset Hello Zelimir, Norbert and all, In a very recent conversation Tony Irving told me that he was re-doing the classification of Tafassasset with Ted Bunch, and that the results would be published in a formal paper. I belive they are practically done so the new classification should be announced pretty soon. And it is not bracchinite or CR6, and it is very interesting, but I would prefer to let them tell the story themselves. More soon. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 11/26/2008 9:52:23 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Norbert, Bernd, Harald, List, Thank you very much for the info about Grein 004/Tenere 001/Tafa. I indeed read that somewhere sometimes but I have not my archives on hand here in France (BM Met. Catalog (Grady) indeed currently gives most of the meteorite synonyms). Bernd said: Grein 004 as well as Tenere 001 are just synonyms for the Tafassasset Freiburg mass, a single stone weighing 3610 grams. It's no pairing. Bernd, Norbert, does that mean that the tkw for Tafassasset is then 110 kg (Franch find) + 3.61 kg (Grein 004) = 113.61 kg ? (thus [EMAIL PROTECTED] and not [EMAIL PROTECTED] kg as in A to Z ?). Met. Bull. indeed reports the tkw as 114 kg (approx), which well fits the figure. The official type so far is CR-an (Met. Bull.), or PAUNGR (A to Z). Do you agree ? I know that both meteorites were studied separately and that the real type could not be defined. Note that Weir (his web site) reports, for T-1 (= Tenere 001), a total weight of exactly 3.636 kg, also that is brachinite-related and that Tafa itself (separately listed by Weir but said being paired with T-1) is a PAUNGR, possibly CR-related. More recent studies seem to still question that CR-relation... I understand the real type is yet to be defined and that the tkw is close to [EMAIL PROTECTED] kg, more specifically [EMAIL PROTECTED] kg Norbert, do you think Prof Otto knows more on that or whether they continue to study this meteorite in Freiburg ? And Bernd, what you mean by it's no pairing ? Everybody seems to agree so far that the Freiburg mass is also Tafa. (?) All my best, Zelimir A 12:19 26/11/2008 +0100, vous avez écrit : Hi Zelimir, I don't know for NWA 3144, but Grein 004 is a synonym for Tafassasset - I'm pretty sure of that. Grein 004 was a working name used for the smaller mass which was later named as the Tafassasset Freiburg mass, classified and studied by my friend Dr. Otto in Freiburg. You might want to contact Juergen Otto in this matter, just to make sure - he can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hope this helps... All the best, Norbert **Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0002) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Grein 004/Tafassasset
I want to reiterate something I've said before: There is no such thing as an official classification. The Meteoritical Bulletin, the Catalogue of Meteorites, the MetBull Database, A to Z, MetBase, other catalogs, and all research papers and abstracts are publications in which authors/editors classify meteorites according to their own opinions. In the case of the Bulletin, the editors are the members of the Nomenclature Committee. However, there is no official Meteoritical-Society-endorsed classification scheme for them to apply, so they do whatever they like(and this changes with their membership). Jeff At 11:51 AM 11/26/2008, Zelimir Gabelica wrote: Hi Norbert, Bernd, Harald, List, Thank you very much for the info about Grein 004/Tenere 001/Tafa. I indeed read that somewhere sometimes but I have not my archives on hand here in France (BM Met. Catalog (Grady) indeed currently gives most of the meteorite synonyms). Bernd said: Grein 004 as well as Tenere 001 are just synonyms for the Tafassasset Freiburg mass, a single stone weighing 3610 grams. It's no pairing. Bernd, Norbert, does that mean that the tkw for Tafassasset is then 110 kg (Franch find) + 3.61 kg (Grein 004) = 113.61 kg ? (thus [EMAIL PROTECTED] and not [EMAIL PROTECTED] kg as in A to Z ?). Met. Bull. indeed reports the tkw as 114 kg (approx), which well fits the figure. The official type so far is CR-an (Met. Bull.), or PAUNGR (A to Z). Do you agree ? I know that both meteorites were studied separately and that the real type could not be defined. Note that Weir (his web site) reports, for T-1 (= Tenere 001), a total weight of exactly 3.636 kg, also that is brachinite-related and that Tafa itself (separately listed by Weir but said being paired with T-1) is a PAUNGR, possibly CR-related. More recent studies seem to still question that CR-relation... I understand the real type is yet to be defined and that the tkw is close to [EMAIL PROTECTED] kg, more specifically [EMAIL PROTECTED] kg Norbert, do you think Prof Otto knows more on that or whether they continue to study this meteorite in Freiburg ? And Bernd, what you mean by it's no pairing ? Everybody seems to agree so far that the Freiburg mass is also Tafa. (?) All my best, Zelimir A 12:19 26/11/2008 +0100, vous avez écrit : Hi Zelimir, I don't know for NWA 3144, but Grein 004 is a synonym for Tafassasset - I'm pretty sure of that. Grein 004 was a working name used for the smaller mass which was later named as the Tafassasset Freiburg mass, classified and studied by my friend Dr. Otto in Freiburg. You might want to contact Juergen Otto in this matter, just to make sure - he can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hope this helps... All the best, Norbert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Hi List, Heredown is a message of Roger Warin (Belgium) that he apparently can not send through his server. I have my own question: does anybody know the official status of meteorite Grein 004 ? (not in Met. Bull.) Thanks! Zelimir -- Hello List, I have put some pics of NWA 3144 (CV3) thin sections on our local site. See here: http://www.agab.be/meteorites/Thin/thin.html Met. Bull. reports that this meteorite (found or purchased by the Hupés) still has a provisional status. I'd be glad to learn more about this meteorite. Could someone provide some data (if any) or send further comments on its status ? Thanks and all the best, Roger. Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
