Re: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space
Vehicle hit list Grimsby (provisional name) Sept 25, 2009 Orlando November 8, 2004 Park Forest March 26, 2003 Worden September 1, 1997 Turtle Lake October 21, 1996 Neagari February 18, 1995 Peekskill October 9, 1992 Louisville January 31, 1977 Barwell December 24, 1965 St. Louis December 10, 1950 Benld September 29, 1938 (http://imca.repetti.net/metinfo/metstruck.html) Best, Ken Newton IMCA# 9632 meteorite-identification.com On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Greg Stanley wrote: > > > All: > > Take a look. Looks like the real deal. A hammer! > > Greg S. > __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space
The Grimsby Hammer publicity. Does anyone think that publicity that includes speculations on the monetary value of meteorites is good for those of us who collect, trade, or study meteorites? (notice I left out sell). At least this article was written by a reporter who did not sensationalize the find. Mentioning that the type was probably quite common and that meteorites could range from a few dollars to thousands was refreshing. My point is that once it becomes apparent, through the mass media, to politicians and governing bodies, that we are making money finding and selling meteorites they instinctively move to put the fetters on. Government hates to see a commodity uncontrolled and untaxed. They don't give a damn about their scientific value. That's just lip service. Somebody picking up a rock in Australia, or Canada, or Africa just makes government minions grit their teeth. They don't want anyone...not even their own constituents, to make a buck without baksheesh to the state. Look what has happened in just the last few years. Everywhere finds have been publicized, the state has moved quickly to pass laws so that they can control the possession of meteorites. Publicity and avaracious politicians will bring the end to this List. No publicity is good publicity. Best to all...good hunting, Count Deiro -Original Message- >From: Darren Garrison >Sent: Oct 17, 2009 12:47 PM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space > >Another one has been found: > >http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/655154 >__ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space
Another one has been found: http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/655154 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space
Anne wrote: "If this one is red too there will be a lot of red cars in the parking lot of the InnSuites in Tucson." Hi Anne, Did one of the Park Forest stones hit a red Jeep? Alas, the Neagari meteorite hit a white Subaru in Japan in 1995. Since Subaru means "Pleiades" in Japonesse; that might come into play*? Then there was the Benld fall which hit a 1928 Pontaic. I think that car was black, even if by then "you could get any color you want as long as it was black" was no longer the mantra. Sterling here's where you can see that the Getafe thing that beamed the Beamer in Spain was shown conclusively to be some slag: http://tierra.rediris.es/merge/getafe.html I don't think it is exactly politeness as opposed to snobbery that has it classed as a pseudmeteorite. When dealing with BMW's, pseudometeorite is apparently the scientifically correct term; but when dealing with old Chevy trucks like my own, folks seem to be more inclined to call it "slag" or some other 4-letter s-word. The best car smacker of course was Peekskill due to its good taste in cars ... old CHEVY cars! No Fords have ever been hit ... huh? well, have they??? Ford/Mercury Meteors don't count, neither did their Comet. Those were just wishful thinking:-) I'm not sure we've heard the end of the car calculation yet, but, statistically, there's gotta be a few meteorites that have hit trucks that no one has reported. Hits on a ship or two have even been reported, right? (I'm thinking but not proofing this - Honolulu and Russia come to mind)? The effective area*fraction of time exposed to the sky seems trucks would give passenger cars a run for their money. Maybe the heads of truck repair centers around the country ought to be worked on to look for meteorite damage. Ducking from peeved Ford fans and with Best wishes, Doug *This really, really begs to have a Mayan connection, but that's another thread ... -Original Message- From: impact...@aol.com To: tbe...@cableone.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:39 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space In a message dated 10/16/2009 4:29:07 PM Mountain Daylight Time, tbe...@cableone.net writes: Apparently, meteorites seek out cars much like tornadoes seek out trailer parks. Are we onto something here? Ted What color is that SUV? Both the Peekskill and the Worden cars were red. If this one is red too there will be a lot of red cars in the parking lot of the InnSuites in Tucson. Anne M. Black http://www.impactika.com/ impact...@aol.com Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. http://www.imca.cc/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space
Does this take into account how many cars are garaged at any time?!!! Graham E, UK "Sterling K. Webb" wrote: > Hi, Ted, Greg, Gary, List, > > > Are we onto something here? > > Well, yes, we are. One data point we'd really > like to have is how many meteorites fall yer year, > the annual flux. To determine it, all we have to do > is to stake out a patch of perfectly cleared planet > and recover and count all the meteorites that fall > there for several centuries or millennia. > > Not so convenient, though... Since the fall of > meteorites is a random process, the total area of > the "sampling patch" does not have to be contiguous. > It can be many millions of smaller patches scattered > all over the planet. You can even move them around > randomly -- doesn't affect the accuracy of the final > calculation of the "impact cross-section of the Earth." > > That "sampling patch" is CARS (and trucks, and > other vehicles). We can get a good idea of the number > of them year by year. We can closely estimate the mean > geometric cross-section of the targets. And the "lossiness" > of the experimental data is reduced by the fact that > people tend to notice when their shiny pickup truck is > holed by a meteorite! > > I did all that sophisticated arithmetic ten years ago > and published a paper with the results, exclusively to > this List (which is why nobody's heard of it). The figure > widely published back them was the MORP rate of > 25,530 falls per year, although Zolenski and Wells > argued in 1988 that it could be much higher: > http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1990amss.work...91Z > > The fall rate that I calculated from this method was > approximately 78,000 falls per yesr with a possible error > of 25,000 either way. So few cars get hit. Rob Matson > chimed in that his personal estimate was a minimum > of 80,000 per annum. From that rate, I predicted (in1 > Dec., 1999) that there would be at least one car hit in > the decade 2000-2009 and a better-than-50% chance > it would be two. > > It seems to be two (and just in time). > > That was Novemeber or December of 1999, and as we > close out 2009, Grimsby appears to be the second (Worden > in 2002 was the first). Getafe (mentioned earlier) is classed > politely as a pseudometeorite. I allowed for the increase in > the number of cars in time, based on the 1990's sales rate > increases. > . > I thought that this idea of mine was, as they say, > "methodologically sweet." I was unreasonably proud of > being so clever until I discovered this paper by Ben Hur > Wilson, entitled "A method of estimating the absolute > number of meteorites," published in 1940 in the old > POPULAR ASTRONOMY, Vol. 48 (p. 366): > http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1940PA.48..366W > which contains the essence of the method. A new > idea is hard to come by. > > However, Wilson based his numbers on observed falls > in specific areas which, in 1940, was scanty data. He > concluded there were 250 falls per year for the entire > planet! > > Nininger disagreed violently with this; he thought > there were 500 meteorite falls per year (between 1 gram > and 1 kilogram), perhaps as many as 1,000 and cited > some of his own statistics from Kansas finds. > > It seems that the more data we get, the faster they fall. > > > Sterling K. Webb > --- > - Original Message - > From: "Ted Bunch" > To: "Gary Fujihara" ; "Greg Stanley" > > Cc: > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 4:47 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from > space > > > > Apparently, meteorites seek out cars much like tornadoes seek out > > trailer > > parks. Are we onto something here? > > > > Ted > > > > > > On 10/16/09 11:31 AM, "Gary Fujihara" wrote: > > > >> Wow! Another car-smashing hammer like Bendl (1938), Peekskill > >> (1992), > >> Getafe (1994)! > >> > >> gary > >> > >> On Oct 16, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Greg Stanley wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> All: > >>> > >>> Take a look. Looks like the real deal. A hammer! > >>> > >>> Greg S. > >>> > >>> > >>> http://beta.stcatharinesstandard.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2133932 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > &
Re: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space
Hi, Jeff, List, No, my criterion was that one fall is defined as having an origin in one meteoroid regardless of how many fragmentation events occurred after entering the atmosphere. This was the criterion of the MORP study and since I wanted to compare a figure directly with it, I tried to keep to that, i.e., Holbrook = one fall, Pultusk = one fall. And when your target is as small as a vehicle, it's not hard. No cases of one car hit by two meteorites, and no cases of multiple cars hit by the same fall. I couldn't even unearth any account of a building hit by multiple stones. I discussed a number of possible target criteria: vehicles, building, people, and gave figures for each. The only place I wobbled was with the account of 44 people stuck in one fall in Mexico, but it turned out to be a false report. In deriving the fall rate, however, I decided that hits on buildings were too likely to go undetected and that hits on people were too incredibly rare to be useful, so I derived the fall rate entirely from cars, all of which were cases where there was no ambiguity. LOUISVILLE (1977) was a fall of four recovered stones of which only one hit a car. ST. LOUIS (1950) was a fall of one stone that hit a car. If 40 cars had been hit in Park Forest, it would only be one fall. For example, I omitted counting in the target area trucks, on the grounds that trucks are too often the target of human-propelled stones and that trucks are large enough and noisy enough to reduce the likelihood of hit detection, whereas a car is usually somebody's "baby." The only other method, I mentioned was hits on ships, again a situation with too little data. What data there was, was comparable to the figure derived from cars. But a ship, larger than a truck by far, is even more likely to be hit undetected. The high uncertainty derives from the paucity of the data. The 78,000 figure could be as low as 52,000 or as high as 100,000-plus. Phil Bland's many studies which deal with recovered falls, weathering, and dating of individual stones, have asserted a fall rate of 48,700 per year consistently, although he expresses it as 83 per 10^6 km^2. His method also depends crucially on the geological survival ages of meteorites on those surfaces being studied. (Personally, I think he over- estimates that factor in the North Africa/Sahara case, but that's a quibble.) http://books.google.com/books?id=N-CLZhAXQzEC&pg=PA59&lpg=PA59&dq=meteorite+fall+rate+Bland&source=bl&ots=vI-sAaoYMY&sig=_ByweAQzuF440sbasMrC20HB63c&hl=en&ei=BkzZSpqSFovg8QbHj_W2BQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CA0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=meteorite%20fall%20rate%20Bland&f=false Personally, I feel that studies from recovered falls suffer from a crucial deficit, namely that the numbers have been pre-filtered by an unknown factor -- that of recovery efficiency. Until every 10 square meters of land in an area has been scrutinized with as much attention as people notice the appearance of their 10 square meters of automobile, recovered fall studies will report a lower-than-the-case result. The accuracy of the vehicle-as-target-area method will undoubtedly increase during the century ahead, as the number of vehicles increases, not only in the US but around the world. I can hardly wait until China has 150,000,000 cars! By 2109, there should be enough hits to refine the fall rate by this method to less than +/- 10% error. Of course, by then we'll have so many radars in orbit that we can count them as they come, in-bound! Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: "Jeff Grossman" To: Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space Sterling's calculation was on 12/9/2000. I think I pointed out back then that the calculation he did is not for the total number of falls per year... it is the total number of stones that fall per year. At least that is what it seems to me. I'm not sure what the average number of stones per fall is, but it must be >10 (Holbrook alone brings the average to over 10 even if all the other known falls had only 1). So I'd like to challenge him to recalculate the number of falls with this in mind. Jeff At 09:35 PM 10/16/2009, Sterling K. Webb wrote: Hi, Ted, Greg, Gary, List, Are we onto something here? Well, yes, we are. One data point we'd really like to have is how many meteorites fall yer year, the annual flux. To determine it, all we have to do is to stake out a patch of perfectly cleared planet and recover and count all the meteorites that fall there for several centuries or millennia. Not so convenient, though... Since the fall of meteorites is a random process, the total area of the "sampling patc
Re: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space
Sterling's calculation was on 12/9/2000. I think I pointed out back then that the calculation he did is not for the total number of falls per year... it is the total number of stones that fall per year. At least that is what it seems to me. I'm not sure what the average number of stones per fall is, but it must be >10 (Holbrook alone brings the average to over 10 even if all the other known falls had only 1). So I'd like to challenge him to recalculate the number of falls with this in mind. Jeff At 09:35 PM 10/16/2009, Sterling K. Webb wrote: Hi, Ted, Greg, Gary, List, Are we onto something here? Well, yes, we are. One data point we'd really like to have is how many meteorites fall yer year, the annual flux. To determine it, all we have to do is to stake out a patch of perfectly cleared planet and recover and count all the meteorites that fall there for several centuries or millennia. Not so convenient, though... Since the fall of meteorites is a random process, the total area of the "sampling patch" does not have to be contiguous. It can be many millions of smaller patches scattered all over the planet. You can even move them around randomly -- doesn't affect the accuracy of the final calculation of the "impact cross-section of the Earth." That "sampling patch" is CARS (and trucks, and other vehicles). We can get a good idea of the number of them year by year. We can closely estimate the mean geometric cross-section of the targets. And the "lossiness" of the experimental data is reduced by the fact that people tend to notice when their shiny pickup truck is holed by a meteorite! I did all that sophisticated arithmetic ten years ago and published a paper with the results, exclusively to this List (which is why nobody's heard of it). The figure widely published back them was the MORP rate of 25,530 falls per year, although Zolenski and Wells argued in 1988 that it could be much higher: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1990amss.work...91Z The fall rate that I calculated from this method was approximately 78,000 falls per yesr with a possible error of 25,000 either way. So few cars get hit. Rob Matson chimed in that his personal estimate was a minimum of 80,000 per annum. From that rate, I predicted (in1 Dec., 1999) that there would be at least one car hit in the decade 2000-2009 and a better-than-50% chance it would be two. It seems to be two (and just in time). That was Novemeber or December of 1999, and as we close out 2009, Grimsby appears to be the second (Worden in 2002 was the first). Getafe (mentioned earlier) is classed politely as a pseudometeorite. I allowed for the increase in the number of cars in time, based on the 1990's sales rate increases. . I thought that this idea of mine was, as they say, "methodologically sweet." I was unreasonably proud of being so clever until I discovered this paper by Ben Hur Wilson, entitled "A method of estimating the absolute number of meteorites," published in 1940 in the old POPULAR ASTRONOMY, Vol. 48 (p. 366): http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1940PA.48..366W which contains the essence of the method. A new idea is hard to come by. However, Wilson based his numbers on observed falls in specific areas which, in 1940, was scanty data. He concluded there were 250 falls per year for the entire planet! Nininger disagreed violently with this; he thought there were 500 meteorite falls per year (between 1 gram and 1 kilogram), perhaps as many as 1,000 and cited some of his own statistics from Kansas finds. It seems that the more data we get, the faster they fall. Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: "Ted Bunch" To: "Gary Fujihara" ; "Greg Stanley" Cc: Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space Apparently, meteorites seek out cars much like tornadoes seek out trailer parks. Are we onto something here? Ted On 10/16/09 11:31 AM, "Gary Fujihara" wrote: Wow! Another car-smashing hammer like Bendl (1938), Peekskill (1992), Getafe (1994)! gary On Oct 16, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Greg Stanley wrote: All: Take a look. Looks like the real deal. A hammer! Greg S. http://beta.stcatharinesstandard.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2133932 Yvonne and Tony Garchinski are the proud new owners of five tiny meteorite fragments. They also have a new windshield, after the space rock smashed into their Pathfinder three weeks ago. "I thought it was vandalism, for sure," said Tony Friday as dozens of reporters converged on his west Grismby home. "Who thinks a meteorite is going to crash-land on your car?" The golf ball-sized fragment is likely part of a larger meteorite that lit up the skies o
Re: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space
Hi, Ted, Greg, Gary, List, Are we onto something here? Well, yes, we are. One data point we'd really like to have is how many meteorites fall yer year, the annual flux. To determine it, all we have to do is to stake out a patch of perfectly cleared planet and recover and count all the meteorites that fall there for several centuries or millennia. Not so convenient, though... Since the fall of meteorites is a random process, the total area of the "sampling patch" does not have to be contiguous. It can be many millions of smaller patches scattered all over the planet. You can even move them around randomly -- doesn't affect the accuracy of the final calculation of the "impact cross-section of the Earth." That "sampling patch" is CARS (and trucks, and other vehicles). We can get a good idea of the number of them year by year. We can closely estimate the mean geometric cross-section of the targets. And the "lossiness" of the experimental data is reduced by the fact that people tend to notice when their shiny pickup truck is holed by a meteorite! I did all that sophisticated arithmetic ten years ago and published a paper with the results, exclusively to this List (which is why nobody's heard of it). The figure widely published back them was the MORP rate of 25,530 falls per year, although Zolenski and Wells argued in 1988 that it could be much higher: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1990amss.work...91Z The fall rate that I calculated from this method was approximately 78,000 falls per yesr with a possible error of 25,000 either way. So few cars get hit. Rob Matson chimed in that his personal estimate was a minimum of 80,000 per annum. From that rate, I predicted (in1 Dec., 1999) that there would be at least one car hit in the decade 2000-2009 and a better-than-50% chance it would be two. It seems to be two (and just in time). That was Novemeber or December of 1999, and as we close out 2009, Grimsby appears to be the second (Worden in 2002 was the first). Getafe (mentioned earlier) is classed politely as a pseudometeorite. I allowed for the increase in the number of cars in time, based on the 1990's sales rate increases. . I thought that this idea of mine was, as they say, "methodologically sweet." I was unreasonably proud of being so clever until I discovered this paper by Ben Hur Wilson, entitled "A method of estimating the absolute number of meteorites," published in 1940 in the old POPULAR ASTRONOMY, Vol. 48 (p. 366): http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1940PA.48..366W which contains the essence of the method. A new idea is hard to come by. However, Wilson based his numbers on observed falls in specific areas which, in 1940, was scanty data. He concluded there were 250 falls per year for the entire planet! Nininger disagreed violently with this; he thought there were 500 meteorite falls per year (between 1 gram and 1 kilogram), perhaps as many as 1,000 and cited some of his own statistics from Kansas finds. It seems that the more data we get, the faster they fall. Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: "Ted Bunch" To: "Gary Fujihara" ; "Greg Stanley" Cc: Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space Apparently, meteorites seek out cars much like tornadoes seek out trailer parks. Are we onto something here? Ted On 10/16/09 11:31 AM, "Gary Fujihara" wrote: Wow! Another car-smashing hammer like Bendl (1938), Peekskill (1992), Getafe (1994)! gary On Oct 16, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Greg Stanley wrote: All: Take a look. Looks like the real deal. A hammer! Greg S. http://beta.stcatharinesstandard.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2133932 Yvonne and Tony Garchinski are the proud new owners of five tiny meteorite fragments. They also have a new windshield, after the space rock smashed into their Pathfinder three weeks ago. "I thought it was vandalism, for sure," said Tony Friday as dozens of reporters converged on his west Grismby home. "Who thinks a meteorite is going to crash-land on your car?" The golf ball-sized fragment is likely part of a larger meteorite that lit up the skies of southern Ontario Sept. 25. The fireball was first picked up by cameras operated by the University of Western Ontario's physics and astronomy department 100 kilometres above Guelph as it streaked southeastward at a speed of about 75,000 kilometres per hour. Scientists released that footage Oct. 7 and began searching a 12-square-kilometre area near Grimsby where they thought the meteor fell. Only after seeing the footage on television did the Grimsby family realize their car-bashing vandal might instead be an alien invader. "We filed a police report a
Re: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space
And Barwell, UK Graham E UK Matt Morgan wrote: > And Worden (Michigan). > Matt > -- > Matt Morgan > Mile High Meteorites > http://www.mhmeteorites.com > P.O. Box 151293 > Lakewood, CO 80215 USA > > -Original Message- > From: Gary Fujihara > Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:31:01 > To: Greg Stanley > Cc: > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space > > Wow! Another car-smashing hammer like Bendl (1938), Peekskill (1992), > Getafe (1994)! > > gary > > On Oct 16, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Greg Stanley wrote: > > > > > > > All: > > > > Take a look. Looks like the real deal. A hammer! > > > > Greg S. > > > > > > http://beta.stcatharinesstandard.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2133932 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yvonne and Tony Garchinski are the proud new owners of five > > tiny meteorite fragments. > > > > They also have a new windshield, after the space rock smashed into > > their > > Pathfinder three weeks ago. > > > > "I thought it was vandalism, for sure," said Tony Friday as dozens > > of reporters converged on his west Grismby home. "Who thinks a > > meteorite > > is going to crash-land on your car?" > > > > The golf ball-sized fragment is likely part of a larger meteorite > > that lit > > up the skies of southern Ontario > > Sept. 25. > > > > The fireball was first picked up by cameras operated by the > > University of > > Western Ontario's physics and astronomy department 100 kilometres > > above Guelph > > as it streaked southeastward at a speed of about 75,000 kilometres > > per hour. > > > > Scientists released that footage Oct. 7 and began searching a > > 12-square-kilometre area near Grimsby > > where they thought the meteor fell. > > > > Only after seeing the footage on television did the Grimsby family > > realize their car-bashing > > vandal might instead be an alien invader. > > > > "We filed a police report and everything," said a laughing Yvonne, > > who held out the tiny silver and black space rock pieces for > > reporters to see > > Friday. > > > > After reading up on the meteorite search, Yvonne called Phil > > McCausland, an > > astrophysicist at the University > > of Western Ontario, who > > verified the tiny rocks were out of this world. > > > > "They're probably the oldest rocks that you or I or anyone else are > > every going to hold," McCausland said. "it's pretty exciting." > > > > The Garchinskis own the window-smashing space pebbles, but they've > > agreed to > > loan them to university researchers for three months. > > > > > > > > _ > > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ > > __ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > Gary Fujihara > AstroDay Institute > 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 > (808) 640-9161, fuj...@mac.com > http://astroday.net > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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In a message dated 10/16/2009 4:29:07 PM Mountain Daylight Time, tbe...@cableone.net writes: Apparently, meteorites seek out cars much like tornadoes seek out trailer parks. Are we onto something here? Ted What color is that SUV? Both the Peekskill and the Worden cars were red. If this one is red too there will be a lot of red cars in the parking lot of the InnSuites in Tucson. Anne M. Black http://www.impactika.com/ impact...@aol.com Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. http://www.imca.cc/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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We were out there hunting on Monday with no luck, but will be there again this weekend for another attempt. Roman Jirasek www.meteoritelabels.com - Original Message - From: "Greg Stanley" To: Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 2:22 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space All: Take a look. Looks like the real deal. A hammer! Greg S. http://beta.stcatharinesstandard.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2133932 Yvonne and Tony Garchinski are the proud new owners of five tiny meteorite fragments. They also have a new windshield, after the space rock smashed into their Pathfinder three weeks ago. "I thought it was vandalism, for sure," said Tony Friday as dozens of reporters converged on his west Grismby home. "Who thinks a meteorite is going to crash-land on your car?" The golf ball-sized fragment is likely part of a larger meteorite that lit up the skies of southern Ontario Sept. 25. The fireball was first picked up by cameras operated by the University of Western Ontario's physics and astronomy department 100 kilometres above Guelph as it streaked southeastward at a speed of about 75,000 kilometres per hour. Scientists released that footage Oct. 7 and began searching a 12-square-kilometre area near Grimsby where they thought the meteor fell. Only after seeing the footage on television did the Grimsby family realize their car-bashing vandal might instead be an alien invader. "We filed a police report and everything," said a laughing Yvonne, who held out the tiny silver and black space rock pieces for reporters to see Friday. After reading up on the meteorite search, Yvonne called Phil McCausland, an astrophysicist at the University of Western Ontario, who verified the tiny rocks were out of this world. "They're probably the oldest rocks that you or I or anyone else are every going to hold," McCausland said. "it's pretty exciting." The Garchinskis own the window-smashing space pebbles, but they've agreed to loan them to university researchers for three months. _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space
Apparently, meteorites seek out cars much like tornadoes seek out trailer parks. Are we onto something here? Ted On 10/16/09 11:31 AM, "Gary Fujihara" wrote: > Wow! Another car-smashing hammer like Bendl (1938), Peekskill (1992), > Getafe (1994)! > > gary > > On Oct 16, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Greg Stanley wrote: > >> >> >> All: >> >> Take a look. Looks like the real deal. A hammer! >> >> Greg S. >> >> >> http://beta.stcatharinesstandard.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2133932 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yvonne and Tony Garchinski are the proud new owners of five >> tiny meteorite fragments. >> >> They also have a new windshield, after the space rock smashed into >> their >> Pathfinder three weeks ago. >> >> "I thought it was vandalism, for sure," said Tony Friday as dozens >> of reporters converged on his west Grismby home. "Who thinks a >> meteorite >> is going to crash-land on your car?" >> >> The golf ball-sized fragment is likely part of a larger meteorite >> that lit >> up the skies of southern Ontario >> Sept. 25. >> >> The fireball was first picked up by cameras operated by the >> University of >> Western Ontario's physics and astronomy department 100 kilometres >> above Guelph >> as it streaked southeastward at a speed of about 75,000 kilometres >> per hour. >> >> Scientists released that footage Oct. 7 and began searching a >> 12-square-kilometre area near Grimsby >> where they thought the meteor fell. >> >> Only after seeing the footage on television did the Grimsby family >> realize their car-bashing >> vandal might instead be an alien invader. >> >> "We filed a police report and everything," said a laughing Yvonne, >> who held out the tiny silver and black space rock pieces for >> reporters to see >> Friday. >> >> After reading up on the meteorite search, Yvonne called Phil >> McCausland, an >> astrophysicist at the University >> of Western Ontario, who >> verified the tiny rocks were out of this world. >> >> "They're probably the oldest rocks that you or I or anyone else are >> every going to hold," McCausland said. "it's pretty exciting." >> >> The Garchinskis own the window-smashing space pebbles, but they've >> agreed to >> loan them to university researchers for three months. >> >> >> >> _ >> Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ >> __ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > Gary Fujihara > AstroDay Institute > 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 > (808) 640-9161, fuj...@mac.com > http://astroday.net > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space
And Worden (Michigan). Matt -- Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA -Original Message- From: Gary Fujihara Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:31:01 To: Greg Stanley Cc: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space Wow! Another car-smashing hammer like Bendl (1938), Peekskill (1992), Getafe (1994)! gary On Oct 16, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Greg Stanley wrote: > > > All: > > Take a look. Looks like the real deal. A hammer! > > Greg S. > > > http://beta.stcatharinesstandard.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2133932 > > > > > > > > Yvonne and Tony Garchinski are the proud new owners of five > tiny meteorite fragments. > > They also have a new windshield, after the space rock smashed into > their > Pathfinder three weeks ago. > > "I thought it was vandalism, for sure," said Tony Friday as dozens > of reporters converged on his west Grismby home. "Who thinks a > meteorite > is going to crash-land on your car?" > > The golf ball-sized fragment is likely part of a larger meteorite > that lit > up the skies of southern Ontario > Sept. 25. > > The fireball was first picked up by cameras operated by the > University of > Western Ontario's physics and astronomy department 100 kilometres > above Guelph > as it streaked southeastward at a speed of about 75,000 kilometres > per hour. > > Scientists released that footage Oct. 7 and began searching a > 12-square-kilometre area near Grimsby > where they thought the meteor fell. > > Only after seeing the footage on television did the Grimsby family > realize their car-bashing > vandal might instead be an alien invader. > > "We filed a police report and everything," said a laughing Yvonne, > who held out the tiny silver and black space rock pieces for > reporters to see > Friday. > > After reading up on the meteorite search, Yvonne called Phil > McCausland, an > astrophysicist at the University > of Western Ontario, who > verified the tiny rocks were out of this world. > > "They're probably the oldest rocks that you or I or anyone else are > every going to hold," McCausland said. "it's pretty exciting." > > The Garchinskis own the window-smashing space pebbles, but they've > agreed to > loan them to university researchers for three months. > > > > _ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fuj...@mac.com http://astroday.net __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space
Wow! Another car-smashing hammer like Bendl (1938), Peekskill (1992), Getafe (1994)! gary On Oct 16, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Greg Stanley wrote: All: Take a look. Looks like the real deal. A hammer! Greg S. http://beta.stcatharinesstandard.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2133932 Yvonne and Tony Garchinski are the proud new owners of five tiny meteorite fragments. They also have a new windshield, after the space rock smashed into their Pathfinder three weeks ago. "I thought it was vandalism, for sure," said Tony Friday as dozens of reporters converged on his west Grismby home. "Who thinks a meteorite is going to crash-land on your car?" The golf ball-sized fragment is likely part of a larger meteorite that lit up the skies of southern Ontario Sept. 25. The fireball was first picked up by cameras operated by the University of Western Ontario's physics and astronomy department 100 kilometres above Guelph as it streaked southeastward at a speed of about 75,000 kilometres per hour. Scientists released that footage Oct. 7 and began searching a 12-square-kilometre area near Grimsby where they thought the meteor fell. Only after seeing the footage on television did the Grimsby family realize their car-bashing vandal might instead be an alien invader. "We filed a police report and everything," said a laughing Yvonne, who held out the tiny silver and black space rock pieces for reporters to see Friday. After reading up on the meteorite search, Yvonne called Phil McCausland, an astrophysicist at the University of Western Ontario, who verified the tiny rocks were out of this world. "They're probably the oldest rocks that you or I or anyone else are every going to hold," McCausland said. "it's pretty exciting." The Garchinskis own the window-smashing space pebbles, but they've agreed to loan them to university researchers for three months. _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fuj...@mac.com http://astroday.net __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space
All: Take a look. Looks like the real deal. A hammer! Greg S. http://beta.stcatharinesstandard.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2133932 Yvonne and Tony Garchinski are the proud new owners of five tiny meteorite fragments. They also have a new windshield, after the space rock smashed into their Pathfinder three weeks ago. "I thought it was vandalism, for sure," said Tony Friday as dozens of reporters converged on his west Grismby home. "Who thinks a meteorite is going to crash-land on your car?" The golf ball-sized fragment is likely part of a larger meteorite that lit up the skies of southern Ontario Sept. 25. The fireball was first picked up by cameras operated by the University of Western Ontario's physics and astronomy department 100 kilometres above Guelph as it streaked southeastward at a speed of about 75,000 kilometres per hour. Scientists released that footage Oct. 7 and began searching a 12-square-kilometre area near Grimsby where they thought the meteor fell. Only after seeing the footage on television did the Grimsby family realize their car-bashing vandal might instead be an alien invader. "We filed a police report and everything," said a laughing Yvonne, who held out the tiny silver and black space rock pieces for reporters to see Friday. After reading up on the meteorite search, Yvonne called Phil McCausland, an astrophysicist at the University of Western Ontario, who verified the tiny rocks were out of this world. "They're probably the oldest rocks that you or I or anyone else are every going to hold," McCausland said. "it's pretty exciting." The Garchinskis own the window-smashing space pebbles, but they've agreed to loan them to university researchers for three months. _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
