Re: [meteorite-list] High Noon!
He has his own system of analysis. Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Secr., Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society IMCA #9052 Member - KCA, KBCA, CDUSA -Original Message- From: MexicoDoug Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 5:30 PM To: cwhei...@gmail.com ; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] High Noon! Hi Steve, I have a question about your data, which seem highly strabismal : Silver, Gold and Palladium seem to all be listed by you as negative concentrations; could you be kind enough to explain this odd claim / data? Because if there isn't a good explanation, the only conclusion is that the tests you are doing are returning gibberish or instrumental artifacts ... and cannot provide any support for your beliefs in extraterrestrial sources. Kindest wishes, Doug Steve wrote: "...elemental PPM's (Parts-per-Million). ... Specimen #1: (394 grams) As posted on Ebay: Au (-9), Pt (29), Ag (-6), Pd (-6), Fe (5,575), Zr (138), Sr (606), Rb (54), Pb (26), Zn (20), Cu (156), Ni (66), Co (114), Ba (582), Cs (310). Specimen #2: (6.0kgs); Au (-9), Pt (41), Ag (-7), Pd (-7), Fe (10.4K), Zr (180), Sr (491), Rb (69), Th (9), Pb (62), Ni (65), Co (240), Mn (4,402), Ba (998), Cs (151)." -Original Message- From: Steve Curry To: wahlperry ; Walter L. Newton ; mexicodoug ; countdeiro ; daistiho ; stlouismeteorites ; raremeteorites ; meteorite-list ; JoshuaTreeMuseum ; yeomega ; mikestang ; star_wars_collector ; gmhupe ; daniel_wray ; sterling_k_webb ; stevenarnold60120 ; axolotyis ; Randy Korotev ; Randy L. Korotev ; John Wasson ; James Wittke ; Roger Warin ; Ken Newton ; Stuart McDaniel ; Dr. Michael Zolensky ; Dr. Timothy McCoy ; Maria Haas ; Anne Black ; Carl Agee ; Chris A. Peterson ; Dr. Alex Ruzicka ; Tim Stout ; Galactic Stone & Ironworks ; kevin.righter-1 ; Rainer Newberry ; Ted Bunch ; ontheroad ; Moto Ito ; Tomasz Jakubowski ; Ian A. Franchi ; Zeus Crankypants ; Catherine (Cari) Corrigan ; Matthew Benjamin ; lebofsky Sent: Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:24 pm Subject: High Noon! Hi Boys & Girls; You've all had a wonderful time, over past couple of years, in trying to denounce my research, attacking my integrity, defaming my character, and, most importantly, making absolute fools of yourselves! I've allowed this, and I've exhibited a great deal of tolerance for your highly unprofessional, and grossly unethical behavior, but, I will not tolerate your abuse of my family, friends, and business colleagues. YOU HAVE CROSSED THE LINE FOR THE LAST TIME!! As an organization, that explicitly demands behavior above & beyond reproach, it is quite apparent, that the IMCA does not enforce its own policies. Each & every member of this organization needs to hang their heads low, in shame, for allowing the Administration of the IMCA to engage, support, and condone this type of behavior by its membership. This is not to say, that all members of the IMCA, exhibit this abhorrent behavior. I trust, that there are many members of high integrity, honesty, sincerity, and commitment to the many sciences surrounding meteoritics. To those members, I ask that you take a stand against those members, who have treated this organization with such selfish disdain, and disregard of its charter. IMCA member, Adam Hupe, recently raised a flag of protest, over my use of the term, "NWA 5000," in comparing our "Uncompahgre Lunar Feldspathic Breccia" meteorite to his prized possession, purchased from a Moroccan dealer. Mr. Hupe seems to think the "NWA 5000" is, somehow, a title deserving of a Trademark! For starters, "Northwest Africa" is by geographical location & description, in "Public Domain!" "5000" is merely an integer, or number, and cannot be trademarked. It, too, is considered "Public Domain!" The US Trademark Office would, simply, laugh at Mr. Hupe's submission. It would not get any more embarrassing for Mr. Hupe, than this! If Mr. Hupe, and other IMCA members, would like to end this, once and for all, here is my challenge, and I will not accept any substitutions, alterations, or changes, to this challenge. You can, also, trust, that this challenge this will be fair, and without bias, or prejudice. Unlike you folks, I play by the rules, and I play fair, and honestly! You can trust, too, that the stakes are extremely high! Just for sport, I'm going to name this game, "HIGH NOON IN WESTERN COLORADO!"..Even though, this dual will be held in the evening. I am giving a meteorite lecture & seminar at the Delta County Library, on September 20, 2011, @ 6:00pm. If Mr. Hupe can trust his fellow IMCA member, Blaine Reed, Mr. Hupe is to send a specimen sample of the "NWA 5000" to Mr. Reed. Mr. Blain Reed must show up at this lecture, armed with his new toy, as in his XRF hand-held analyzer. I, too, will sho
Re: [meteorite-list] High Noon - Update
His wife bought it. :-) Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Secr., Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society IMCA #9052 Member - KCA, KBCA, CDUSA -Original Message- From: John Teague Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 4:36 PM To: Walter L. Newton ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] High Noon - Update Why is there only a feedback of "1"? New name? Reason? -Original Message- From: "Walter L. Newton" Sent: Sep 6, 2011 4:24 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] High Noon - Update Interesting, If Mr. Curry is so sure that his “rocks” are really lunar, then I wonder why he removed the "Uncompahgre Lunar Feldspathic Breccia" from his Ebay listings? http://www.ebay.com/sch/uncometeorites/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562 Adam, I think you touched a nerve, Stevie is running scared. Walter L. Newton 303-838-2058 Website http://newton.acrossthebow.com/ Jewelry http://www.etsy.com/shop/hummingbirdcustom Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Never_Promised_You_a_Rose_Garden_(play) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] High Noon!
He has an explanation elsewhere in the auction text "Keep in mind, too, that the "negative symbol" merely means "less-than." (Example: "Ag (-7)" means that Ag (Silver) is detected, and there is more than 6ppm, but less than 7ppm)." Regards, John On 06/09/2011 16:30, "MexicoDoug" wrote: >Hi Steve, > >I have a question about your data, which seem highly strabismal : > >Silver, Gold and Palladium seem to all be listed by you as negative >concentrations; could you be kind enough to explain this odd claim / >data? Because if there isn't a good explanation, the only conclusion >is that the tests you are doing are returning gibberish or instrumental >artifacts ... and cannot provide any support for your beliefs in >extraterrestrial sources. > >Kindest wishes, Doug > >Steve wrote: > >"...elemental PPM's (Parts-per-Million). ... > >Specimen #1: (394 grams) As posted on Ebay: Au (-9), Pt (29), Ag (-6), >Pd (-6), Fe (5,575), Zr (138), Sr (606), Rb (54), Pb (26), Zn (20), Cu >(156), Ni (66), Co (114), Ba (582), Cs (310). > >Specimen #2: (6.0kgs); Au (-9), Pt (41), Ag (-7), Pd (-7), Fe (10.4K), >Zr (180), Sr (491), Rb (69), Th (9), Pb (62), Ni (65), Co (240), Mn >(4,402), Ba (998), Cs (151)." > > > > > > >-Original Message- >From: Steve Curry >To: wahlperry ; Walter L. Newton >; mexicodoug ; countdeiro >; daistiho ; >stlouismeteorites ; raremeteorites >; meteorite-list >; JoshuaTreeMuseum >; yeomega ; >mikestang ; star_wars_collector >; gmhupe ; >daniel_wray ; sterling_k_webb >; stevenarnold60120 >; axolotyis ; Randy >Korotev ; Randy L. Korotev ; >John Wasson ; James Wittke ; >Roger Warin ; Ken Newton >; Stuart McDaniel >; Dr. Michael Zolensky >; Dr. Timothy McCoy ; Maria >Haas ; Anne Black ; Carl Agee >; Chris A. Peterson ; Dr. Alex >Ruzicka ; Tim Stout ; Galactic >Stone & Ironworks ; kevin.righter-1 >; Rainer Newberry ; >Ted Bunch ; ontheroad ; >Moto Ito ; Tomasz Jakubowski ; Ian A. >Franchi ; Zeus Crankypants >; Catherine (Cari) Corrigan >; Matthew Benjamin ; >lebofsky >Sent: Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:24 pm >Subject: High Noon! > > >Hi Boys & Girls; You've all had a wonderful time, over past couple of >years, in trying to denounce my research, attacking my integrity, >defaming my character, and, most importantly, making absolute fools of >yourselves! I've allowed this, and I've exhibited a great deal of >tolerance for your highly unprofessional, and grossly unethical >behavior, but, I will not tolerate your abuse of my family, friends, >and business colleagues. YOU HAVE CROSSED THE LINE FOR THE LAST TIME!! >As an organization, that explicitly demands behavior above & beyond >reproach, it is quite apparent, that the IMCA does not enforce its own >policies. Each & every member of this organization needs to hang their >heads low, in shame, for allowing the Administration of the IMCA to >engage, support, and condone this type of behavior by its membership. >This is not to say, that all members of the IMCA, exhibit this >abhorrent behavior. I trust, that there are many members of high >integrity, honesty, sincerity, and commitment to the many sciences >surrounding meteoritics. To those members, I ask that you take a stand >against those members, who have treated this organization with such >selfish disdain, and disregard of its charter. > > >IMCA member, Adam Hupe, recently raised a flag of protest, over my >use of the term, "NWA 5000," in comparing our "Uncompahgre Lunar >Feldspathic Breccia" meteorite to his prized possession, purchased from >a Moroccan dealer. Mr. Hupe seems to think the "NWA 5000" is, somehow, >a title deserving of a Trademark! For starters, "Northwest Africa" is >by geographical location & description, in "Public Domain!" "5000" is >merely an integer, or number, and cannot be trademarked. It, too, is >considered "Public Domain!" The US Trademark Office would, simply, >laugh at Mr. Hupe's submission. It would not get any more embarrassing >for Mr. Hupe, than this! > > > If Mr. Hupe, and other IMCA members, would like to end this, once >and for all, here is my challenge, and I will not accept any >substitutions, alterations, or changes, to this challenge. You can, >also, trust, that this challenge this will be fair, and without bias, >or prejudice. Unlike you folks, I play by the rules, and I play fair, >and honestly! You can trust, too, that the stakes are extremely high! > > >Just for sport, I'm going to name this game, "HIGH NOON IN WESTERN >COLORADO!"..Even though, this dual will be held in the evening. >I am giving a meteorite lecture & seminar at the Delta County >Library, on September 20, 2011, @ 6:00pm. If Mr. Hupe can trust his >fellow IMCA member, Blaine Reed, Mr. Hupe is to send a specimen sample >of the "NWA 5000" to Mr. Reed. Mr. Blain Reed must show up at this >lecture, armed with his new toy, as in his XRF hand-held analyzer. I, >too, will show up with our XRF hand-held analyzer, which will be >operated by an experienced geol
Re: [meteorite-list] High Noon!
Hi Steve, I have a question about your data, which seem highly strabismal : Silver, Gold and Palladium seem to all be listed by you as negative concentrations; could you be kind enough to explain this odd claim / data? Because if there isn't a good explanation, the only conclusion is that the tests you are doing are returning gibberish or instrumental artifacts ... and cannot provide any support for your beliefs in extraterrestrial sources. Kindest wishes, Doug Steve wrote: "...elemental PPM's (Parts-per-Million). ... Specimen #1: (394 grams) As posted on Ebay: Au (-9), Pt (29), Ag (-6), Pd (-6), Fe (5,575), Zr (138), Sr (606), Rb (54), Pb (26), Zn (20), Cu (156), Ni (66), Co (114), Ba (582), Cs (310). Specimen #2: (6.0kgs); Au (-9), Pt (41), Ag (-7), Pd (-7), Fe (10.4K), Zr (180), Sr (491), Rb (69), Th (9), Pb (62), Ni (65), Co (240), Mn (4,402), Ba (998), Cs (151)." -Original Message- From: Steve Curry To: wahlperry ; Walter L. Newton ; mexicodoug ; countdeiro ; daistiho ; stlouismeteorites ; raremeteorites ; meteorite-list ; JoshuaTreeMuseum ; yeomega ; mikestang ; star_wars_collector ; gmhupe ; daniel_wray ; sterling_k_webb ; stevenarnold60120 ; axolotyis ; Randy Korotev ; Randy L. Korotev ; John Wasson ; James Wittke ; Roger Warin ; Ken Newton ; Stuart McDaniel ; Dr. Michael Zolensky ; Dr. Timothy McCoy ; Maria Haas ; Anne Black ; Carl Agee ; Chris A. Peterson ; Dr. Alex Ruzicka ; Tim Stout ; Galactic Stone & Ironworks ; kevin.righter-1 ; Rainer Newberry ; Ted Bunch ; ontheroad ; Moto Ito ; Tomasz Jakubowski ; Ian A. Franchi ; Zeus Crankypants ; Catherine (Cari) Corrigan ; Matthew Benjamin ; lebofsky Sent: Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:24 pm Subject: High Noon! Hi Boys & Girls; You've all had a wonderful time, over past couple of years, in trying to denounce my research, attacking my integrity, defaming my character, and, most importantly, making absolute fools of yourselves! I've allowed this, and I've exhibited a great deal of tolerance for your highly unprofessional, and grossly unethical behavior, but, I will not tolerate your abuse of my family, friends, and business colleagues. YOU HAVE CROSSED THE LINE FOR THE LAST TIME!! As an organization, that explicitly demands behavior above & beyond reproach, it is quite apparent, that the IMCA does not enforce its own policies. Each & every member of this organization needs to hang their heads low, in shame, for allowing the Administration of the IMCA to engage, support, and condone this type of behavior by its membership. This is not to say, that all members of the IMCA, exhibit this abhorrent behavior. I trust, that there are many members of high integrity, honesty, sincerity, and commitment to the many sciences surrounding meteoritics. To those members, I ask that you take a stand against those members, who have treated this organization with such selfish disdain, and disregard of its charter. IMCA member, Adam Hupe, recently raised a flag of protest, over my use of the term, "NWA 5000," in comparing our "Uncompahgre Lunar Feldspathic Breccia" meteorite to his prized possession, purchased from a Moroccan dealer. Mr. Hupe seems to think the "NWA 5000" is, somehow, a title deserving of a Trademark! For starters, "Northwest Africa" is by geographical location & description, in "Public Domain!" "5000" is merely an integer, or number, and cannot be trademarked. It, too, is considered "Public Domain!" The US Trademark Office would, simply, laugh at Mr. Hupe's submission. It would not get any more embarrassing for Mr. Hupe, than this! If Mr. Hupe, and other IMCA members, would like to end this, once and for all, here is my challenge, and I will not accept any substitutions, alterations, or changes, to this challenge. You can, also, trust, that this challenge this will be fair, and without bias, or prejudice. Unlike you folks, I play by the rules, and I play fair, and honestly! You can trust, too, that the stakes are extremely high! Just for sport, I'm going to name this game, "HIGH NOON IN WESTERN COLORADO!"..Even though, this dual will be held in the evening. I am giving a meteorite lecture & seminar at the Delta County Library, on September 20, 2011, @ 6:00pm. If Mr. Hupe can trust his fellow IMCA member, Blaine Reed, Mr. Hupe is to send a specimen sample of the "NWA 5000" to Mr. Reed. Mr. Blain Reed must show up at this lecture, armed with his new toy, as in his XRF hand-held analyzer. I, too, will show up with our XRF hand-held analyzer, which will be operated by an experienced geologist from Western Colorado. Mr. Reed, and our geologist, will conduct XRF analysis on both the "NWA 5000," and our "Uncompahgre Lunar Feldspathic Breccia." Both stones will be analyzed using the "Precious Metal Mode," and the "Prospector Mode," which will produce elemental percentages, and elemental PPM's (Parts-per-
Re: [meteorite-list] High Noon - Update
Why is there only a feedback of "1"? New name? Reason? -Original Message- >From: "Walter L. Newton" >Sent: Sep 6, 2011 4:24 PM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: [meteorite-list] High Noon - Update > >Interesting, > >If Mr. Curry is so sure that his rocks are really lunar, then I wonder why >he removed the "Uncompahgre Lunar Feldspathic Breccia" from his Ebay >listings? > >http://www.ebay.com/sch/uncometeorites/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562 > >Adam, I think you touched a nerve, Stevie is running scared. > >Walter L. Newton >303-838-2058 > >Website >http://newton.acrossthebow.com/ > >Jewelry >http://www.etsy.com/shop/hummingbirdcustom > >Wiki >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Never_Promised_You_a_Rose_Garden_(play) > > > > > >__ >Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] High Noon - Update
Interesting, If Mr. Curry is so sure that his rocks are really lunar, then I wonder why he removed the "Uncompahgre Lunar Feldspathic Breccia" from his Ebay listings? http://www.ebay.com/sch/uncometeorites/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562 Adam, I think you touched a nerve, Stevie is running scared. Walter L. Newton 303-838-2058 Website http://newton.acrossthebow.com/ Jewelry http://www.etsy.com/shop/hummingbirdcustom Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Never_Promised_You_a_Rose_Garden_(play) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] High Noon!
Hi Steve, One thing I am unsure of after hearing all this. Are you representing that your material (the stuff described by you as Lunar) is *unequivocably Lunar*, or just that it is *either Lunar or Terrestrial but similar to Lunar*? Isn't that the important question to answer? Great to hear your side of this first hand finally! As one who cannot go to Colorado to witness this epic duel, could you kindly comment on what control samples (Earth rocks) will be used during the proposed show-down with the XRF, and exactly what is the hypothesis being tested (i.e., that they are Lunar? or that by picking and choosing your analysis parameters you can make the point that they share some common characteristics ? For example, aluminum and glass both have a density of 2.7 cubic centimeters. If I set up a test saying I will prove aluminum and glass are the same thing by checking their density, I am picking the parameters and if someone says, lets check if it is an electrical conductor or insultor and I say, no!, it's over... then, what is the point and who would participate in such a duel, if all you are willing to define as aluminum is anthing with a density of 2.7 g/cm^3? Why not just submit your specimen to a Meteoritical Society approved scientist (like Hupe did for NWA 5000) and get it scientifically authenticated by just one independent scientist for publication in the Meteoritical Bulletin - this is what every other meteorite finder does. Then you'd be done with it! The MetSoc is independent of the IMCA so there is no conflict there. If for some reason there is a problem with that, can you explain why you don't do that? That is the issue I cannot understand, and which tends to have others question the material's provnance. What will the duel prove scientifically if you determine which parameters and only which parameters are tested, and how they are tested and do not leave the testing open to peer review which is a necessary part of the scientific authentication process? Informally, if you can post a picture of a specimen with obvious fusion crust you could probably gain favor on this list. Do you have such a picture you are willing to post? Kindest wishes and good luck Doug -Original Message- From: Steve Curry To: wahlperry ; Walter L. Newton ; mexicodoug ; countdeiro ; daistiho ; stlouismeteorites ; raremeteorites ; meteorite-list ; JoshuaTreeMuseum ; yeomega ; mikestang ; star_wars_collector ; gmhupe ; daniel_wray ; sterling_k_webb ; stevenarnold60120 ; axolotyis ; Randy Korotev ; Randy L. Korotev ; John Wasson ; James Wittke ; Roger Warin ; Ken Newton ; Stuart McDaniel ; Dr. Michael Zolensky ; Dr. Timothy McCoy ; Maria Haas ; Anne Black ; Carl Agee ; Chris A. Peterson ; Dr. Alex Ruzicka ; Tim Stout ; Galactic Stone & Ironworks ; kevin.righter-1 ; Rainer Newberry ; Ted Bunch ; ontheroad ; Moto Ito ; Tomasz Jakubowski ; Ian A. Franchi ; Zeus Crankypants ; Catherine (Cari) Corrigan ; Matthew Benjamin ; lebofsky Sent: Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:24 pm Subject: High Noon! Hi Boys & Girls; You've all had a wonderful time, over past couple of years, in trying to denounce my research, attacking my integrity, defaming my character, and, most importantly, making absolute fools of yourselves! I've allowed this, and I've exhibited a great deal of tolerance for your highly unprofessional, and grossly unethical behavior, but, I will not tolerate your abuse of my family, friends, and business colleagues. YOU HAVE CROSSED THE LINE FOR THE LAST TIME!! As an organization, that explicitly demands behavior above & beyond reproach, it is quite apparent, that the IMCA does not enforce its own policies. Each & every member of this organization needs to hang their heads low, in shame, for allowing the Administration of the IMCA to engage, support, and condone this type of behavior by its membership. This is not to say, that all members of the IMCA, exhibit this abhorrent behavior. I trust, that there are many members of high integrity, honesty, sincerity, and commitment to the many sciences surrounding meteoritics. To those members, I ask that you take a stand against those members, who have treated this organization with such selfish disdain, and disregard of its charter. IMCA member, Adam Hupe, recently raised a flag of protest, over my use of the term, "NWA 5000," in comparing our "Uncompahgre Lunar Feldspathic Breccia" meteorite to his prized possession, purchased from a Moroccan dealer. Mr. Hupe seems to think the "NWA 5000" is, somehow, a title deserving of a Trademark! For starters, "Northwest Africa" is by geographical location & description, in "Public Domain!" "5000" is merely an integer, or number, and cannot be trademarked. It, too, is considered "Public Domain!" The US Trademark Office would, simply, laugh at Mr. Hupe's submission. It would not get any more embarrassing for Mr.
