[meteorite-list] Higher than expected levels of sodium ... suggest that the dust clouds from which the building blocks of the Earth and neighboring planets formed were much denser than previously supp

2008-06-19 Thread Darren Garrison
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080619142124.htm

Chemical Clues Point To Dusty Origin For Earth-like Planets
ScienceDaily (June 20, 2008) — Higher than expected levels of sodium found in a
4.6 billion-year-old meteorite suggest that the dust clouds from which the
building blocks of the Earth and neighboring planets formed were much denser
than previously supposed. The study, by scientists from the Carnegie
Institution, American Museum of Natural History, and U.S. Geological Survey, is
published in the June 20 issue of Science.

Conel Alexander and Fred Ciesla of the Carnegie Institution's Department of
Terrestrial Magnetism, with colleagues Jeffrey Grossman of the U.S. Geological
Survey and Denton Ebel of the American Museum of Natural History, analyzed the
sodium content of grains in objects called "chondrules" from the Semarkona
meteorite, which fell in India in 1940.

The Semarkona meteorite, like all other chondrule-bearing meteorites (known as
chondrites), dates from the early stages of the solar system's formation. Unlike
most others, however, its constituents have been relatively unaltered by heat
and chemical changes over the more than four billion years since its origin,
making it an important window into the early history of the solar system.

Chondrules, which make up 20 to 80% of the volume of chondrites, are round,
roughly millimeter-sized objects made of glass and crystals. Chondrules are
thought to have formed by flash heating of dust in the primordial solar system.
>From the types of minerals found in chondrules, scientists have determined that
they formed at temperatures of up to nearly 2,000° C (3600° F). The source of
this high heat, which would have affected vast areas of dust, is unknown. The
heat would also be expected to have boiled off many of the volatile chemical
elements, such as sodium, leaving the chondrules depleted in these elements.

But the chemical analyses by the research team found that the Semarkona
chondrules had surprisingly high sodium abundances when they formed, indicating
that sodium was not driven off. Rather, it remained at nearly constant levels
during chondrule formation.

"Chondrules formed as molten droplets produced by what was probably one of the
most energetic processes that operated in the early solar system," says
Alexander. "You would expect all the sodium to evaporate and be lost from the
chondrules under such conditions. Instead, the sodium was retained. The
chondrules stayed as effectively closed systems throughout the heating and
melting."

The researchers determined that in order for the molten droplets that formed the
chondrules to remain as closed systems and retain constant levels of sodium, the
initial dust cloud must have been far denser than previously supposed. "If the
droplets were crowded close enough together, then the sodium vapor in the spaces
in between would reach a saturation point," says Alexander, "and that would
prevent further evaporation."

To achieve this condition, the density of dust in the chondrule-forming regions
of the early solar system must have been at least about 10 grams per cubic
meter, and possibly much more. This is at least 100 times the densities
considered by previous models of chondrule formation, which had assumed at most
densities of only about 0.1 grams per cubic meter, and normally considerably
less. At densities of 10 grams per cubic meter or more, regions only a few
thousand kilometers across, small by astronomical standards, could collapse
under their own gravity to make objects that would be 10s of kilometers across.

"What's notable about this result is that it raises the possibility that the
formation of chondrules in these high-density regions was linked to the
formation of kilometer-sized objects called planetesimals, which were the first
stage in building Earth-like planets," says Alexander. "It will also help narrow
down the possibilities for the cause of the heating that produced the
chondrules, as well as the sizes of the regions where they formed. Heating
chondrules to their peak temperatures and then quickly cooling them down when
they are present at such high densities is a significant challenge for any
mechanism proposed to explain chondrule origin. These tiny objects still have a
lot to tell us about how our solar system took shape."

This research was supported by the Carnegie Institution, the NASA Origins of
Solar Systems Program, and the NASA Cosmochemistry Program.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Higher than expected levels of sodium ... suggest that the dust clouds from which the building blocks of the Earth and neighboring planets formed were much denser than previously

2008-06-21 Thread Steve Dunklee
Ionized particles in the early formation of chondrules would hold a charge. 
This charge would hold sodium vapor rather than allowing it to be driven away, 
much the way a sodium vapor lamp works. In effect the charge in addition to the 
low gravity would would tend to concentrate the available sodium , which would 
be deposited in the chondrules. You have to remember that most chondrules 
formed before the sun did ,so there was nothing to drive the gasses away which 
could allow higher than expected sodium in chondrules. Once the sun ignited any 
surface gasses would be driven away but any trapped sodium would remain.
Higher sodium values do not prove higher concentrations of gasses at 
formation. If they were higher they would permeate the entire structure rather 
than be on the surface of the crystals,  much the way salt concentrates on the 
surface of ice crystals in the arctic.
 Just my opinion
Steve Dunklee



--- On Thu, 6/19/08, Darren Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Darren Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Higher than expected levels of sodium ... suggest 
> that the dust clouds from which the building blocks of the Earth and 
> neighboring planets formed were much denser than previously supposed.
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thursday, June 19, 2008, 10:44 PM
> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080619142124.htm
> 
> Chemical Clues Point To Dusty Origin For Earth-like Planets
> ScienceDaily (June 20, 2008) — Higher than expected
> levels of sodium found in a
> 4.6 billion-year-old meteorite suggest that the dust clouds
> from which the
> building blocks of the Earth and neighboring planets formed
> were much denser
> than previously supposed. The study, by scientists from the
> Carnegie
> Institution, American Museum of Natural History, and U.S.
> Geological Survey, is
> published in the June 20 issue of Science.
> 
> Conel Alexander and Fred Ciesla of the Carnegie
> Institution's Department of
> Terrestrial Magnetism, with colleagues Jeffrey Grossman of
> the U.S. Geological
> Survey and Denton Ebel of the American Museum of Natural
> History, analyzed the
> sodium content of grains in objects called
> "chondrules" from the Semarkona
> meteorite, which fell in India in 1940.
> 
> The Semarkona meteorite, like all other chondrule-bearing
> meteorites (known as
> chondrites), dates from the early stages of the solar
> system's formation. Unlike
> most others, however, its constituents have been relatively
> unaltered by heat
> and chemical changes over the more than four billion years
> since its origin,
> making it an important window into the early history of the
> solar system.
> 
> Chondrules, which make up 20 to 80% of the volume of
> chondrites, are round,
> roughly millimeter-sized objects made of glass and
> crystals. Chondrules are
> thought to have formed by flash heating of dust in the
> primordial solar system.
> >From the types of minerals found in chondrules,
> scientists have determined that
> they formed at temperatures of up to nearly 2,000° C
> (3600° F). The source of
> this high heat, which would have affected vast areas of
> dust, is unknown. The
> heat would also be expected to have boiled off many of the
> volatile chemical
> elements, such as sodium, leaving the chondrules depleted
> in these elements.
> 
> But the chemical analyses by the research team found that
> the Semarkona
> chondrules had surprisingly high sodium abundances when
> they formed, indicating
> that sodium was not driven off. Rather, it remained at
> nearly constant levels
> during chondrule formation.
> 
> "Chondrules formed as molten droplets produced by what
> was probably one of the
> most energetic processes that operated in the early solar
> system," says
> Alexander. "You would expect all the sodium to
> evaporate and be lost from the
> chondrules under such conditions. Instead, the sodium was
> retained. The
> chondrules stayed as effectively closed systems throughout
> the heating and
> melting."
> 
> The researchers determined that in order for the molten
> droplets that formed the
> chondrules to remain as closed systems and retain constant
> levels of sodium, the
> initial dust cloud must have been far denser than
> previously supposed. "If the
> droplets were crowded close enough together, then the
> sodium vapor in the spaces
> in between would reach a saturation point," says
> Alexander, "and that would
> prevent further evaporation."
> 
> To achieve this condition, the density of dust in the
> chondrule-forming regions
> of the early solar system must have bee

Re: [meteorite-list] Higher than expected levels of sodium ... suggest that the dust clouds from which the building blocks of the Earth and neighboring planets formed were much denser than previously

2008-06-21 Thread Ted Bunch
Sounds like a good opinion to me -

Ted Bunch


On 6/21/08 9:48 AM, "Steve Dunklee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ionized particles in the early formation of chondrules would hold a charge.
> This charge would hold sodium vapor rather than allowing it to be driven away,
> much the way a sodium vapor lamp works. In effect the charge in addition to
> the low gravity would would tend to concentrate the available sodium , which
> would be deposited in the chondrules. You have to remember that most
> chondrules formed before the sun did ,so there was nothing to drive the gasses
> away which could allow higher than expected sodium in chondrules. Once the sun
> ignited any surface gasses would be driven away but any trapped sodium would
> remain.
Higher sodium values do not prove higher concentrations of gasses
> at formation. If they were higher they would permeate the entire structure
> rather than be on the surface of the crystals,  much the way salt concentrates
> on the surface of ice crystals in the arctic.
 Just my opinion
Steve
> Dunklee



--- On Thu, 6/19/08, Darren Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:

> From: 


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