[meteorite-list] Lunar Laayoune 002

[Benzaki Mohamed via Meteorite-list]

Hi all members liste hope everything goes well.
 If someone interested by any stones lunar Laayoune  please
contacte me  for price and the weitgh thank you.
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[meteorite-list] Lunar

[Benzaki Mohamed via Meteorite-list]

Hi all members,

Everyone interested by a nice  lunar fragments a paired to Bachara 006
contacte me thanks.
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Re: [meteorite-list] lunar meteorite-related: new Apollo 11 film

[Greg Redfern via Meteorite-list]

All,

Apollo 11 the Movie is a MUST SEE.

I saw it at Udvar Hazy IMAX and it was the next best thing to being
there

Sky Guy Greg

Greg Redfern
Author, *"Cruise Ship Astronomy and Astrophotography", available via
Springer Astronomy
*
NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador 
Daily Blog 
Twitter 
WTOP 



On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 9:06 AM Dolores Hill via Meteorite-list <
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

> Greetings Meteorite-List friends and lunar meteorite admirers,
>
> Before we identified lunar meteorites that collided with Earth, the only
> samples of the moon for research came from the Apollo and Luna missions.
>
> *We invite you to enjoy **Apollo 11*, a new film premiering this Friday
> at The Loft Cinema in Tucson, Arizona. It contains never-before-seen
> footage from this historic mission to the moon. Watch it on the biggest
> screen in southern Arizona (perhaps all of Arizona?) and feel the adventure
> as you ride along with Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, and Michael Collins.
> (Be sure to select "screen 1" showtimes). See here for more information:
> https://loftcinema.org/film/apollo-11/
>
> Staff from the Lunar and Planetary Laboratory will greet you before the
> evening showings on Friday and display moon maps made by Gerard Kuiper's
> team that helped determine landing sites and assisted astronauts with
> crater identification. We will also display modern moon globes and a disk
> from the University of Arizona's Bicentennial Moon Tree whose seeds
> traveled to the moon and back on Apollo 14.
>
>
> In addition, for LPL's *Apollo50 Celebration on July 20, 2019*, we are
> looking for those who worked on some aspect of the Apollo missions. We want
> to hear your story! Contact Maria Schuchardt at mari...@lpl.arizona.edu
> if you would like to share your contribution or a family member's
> contribution.
>
> Best regards,
> Dolores Hill
>
> --
> Dolores H. Hill
> Sr. Research Specialist
> Lunar & Planetary Laboratory
> Kuiper Space Sciences Bldg. #92
> The University of Arizona
> 1629 E. University Blvd.
> Tucson, AZ 85721http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/
>
> OSIRIS-REx Asteroid Sample Return Mission Communication & Public Engagement 
> Team
> Lead OSIRIS-REx Ambassadors program
> Co-lead OSIRIS-REx Target Asteroids! citizen science program
> Co-coordinator Target NEOs! observing program of the Astronomical League
> Association of Lunar & Planetary Observers - Meteorite Section
> http://osiris-rex.lpl.arizona.edu/http://osiris-rex.lpl.arizona.edu/?q=target_asteroidshttp://www.astroleague.org/files/u3/NEO_HomePage.pdf
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[meteorite-list] lunar meteorite-related: new Apollo 11 film

[Dolores Hill via Meteorite-list]

Greetings Meteorite-List friends and lunar meteorite admirers,

Before we identified lunar meteorites that collided with Earth, the only 
samples of the moon for research came from the Apollo and Luna missions.


_We invite you to enjoy __*Apollo 11*_, a new film premiering this 
Friday at The Loft Cinema in Tucson, Arizona. It contains 
never-before-seen footage from this historic mission to the moon. Watch 
it on the biggest screen in southern Arizona (perhaps all of Arizona?) 
and feel the adventure as you ride along with Neil Armstrong, Buzz 
Aldrin, and Michael Collins. (Be sure to select "screen 1" showtimes). 
See here for more information: https://loftcinema.org/film/apollo-11/


Staff from the Lunar and Planetary Laboratory will greet you before the 
evening showings on Friday and display moon maps made by Gerard Kuiper's 
team that helped determine landing sites and assisted astronauts with 
crater identification. We will also display modern moon globes and a 
disk from the University of Arizona's Bicentennial Moon Tree whose seeds 
traveled to the moon and back on Apollo 14.



In addition, for LPL's _Apollo50 Celebration on July 20, 2019_, we are 
looking for those who worked on some aspect of the Apollo missions. We 
want to hear your story! Contact Maria Schuchardt at 
mari...@lpl.arizona.edu if you would like to share your contribution or 
a family member's contribution.


Best regards,
Dolores Hill

--
Dolores H. Hill
Sr. Research Specialist
Lunar & Planetary Laboratory
Kuiper Space Sciences Bldg. #92
The University of Arizona
1629 E. University Blvd.
Tucson, AZ 85721
http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/

OSIRIS-REx Asteroid Sample Return Mission Communication & Public Engagement Team
Lead OSIRIS-REx Ambassadors program
Co-lead OSIRIS-REx Target Asteroids! citizen science program
Co-coordinator Target NEOs! observing program of the Astronomical League
Association of Lunar & Planetary Observers - Meteorite Section

http://osiris-rex.lpl.arizona.edu/
http://osiris-rex.lpl.arizona.edu/?q=target_asteroids
http://www.astroleague.org/files/u3/NEO_HomePage.pdf

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[meteorite-list] LUNAR BRECCIA SLICES

[DAN via Meteorite-list]

Two of the finest lunar feldspathic breccias offered as complete slices.They 
are now being offered at waning prices not offered anywhere. 
NWA 11273A spectacular slice of lunar feldspathic breccia, peppered with large 
and small clasts. One surface polished. At 2.2 mm thick across the entire 
slice, this specimen is rugged enough to be placed on an open stand.The photos 
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Includes breccia within breccia clasts. Tiny metal inclusions from lunar 
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slice. Size : 43 mm x 32mm x 1mm.           3.08 grams. Offered at $ 750/gram  
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DAN 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar thin slices. (Ad)

[Michael Blood via Meteorite-list]

Greetings,

As you know I now rarely post to the list - but I do follow it.

I purchased some large pieces of NWA 11273 Lunar Feldspathic Regolith Breccia.
I had it thin (2mm) sliced and each slice polished on one side and smooth wire 
cut
On the other side by the premier meteorite cutter, Marlin Cilz.

As you have been informed, this material is no longer being released to the 
collecting
Community While you can still get this from ET at $25/g, it is a stone over 1 
Kg and over
$12K (TOTALLY a steal)…. These are THIN, polished slices. If you want a chunk 
of this
Material, you can still get it at bargain prices - here are some KILLER thinly 
sliced pieces
At a price that allows any collector to have a LARGE slice in their collection. 

See these gems here:

http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/LunarSALE.html 


Thanks and very best wishes to all,
Michael Blood


PS: Sorry, no shipping to Italy 
US and Canada, $6.65 Priority Mail
Outside US $25 registered mail
CA residents only, add 8.75% CA sales tax

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[meteorite-list] Lunar sample collection bag.

[bill kies via Meteorite-list]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-moon-dust-bag-for-sale-auction-met-20170522-story.html

 
http://www.trbimg.com/img-59237728/turbine/ct-moon-dust-bag-for-sale-auction-met-20170522
 

Local woman's bag of moon dust to be sold at auction, possibly for millions
www.chicagotribune.com
A Chicago-area woman who bought a bag of moon dust from the Apollo 11 mission 
for less than $1,000 will auction it off for possibly millions.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Crater Drone Crash Video - Team LunarRock

[Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list]

Hi Mike and List,

Yes, the Jeep Rubicon's third-party, Special Operations Voice Command 
computer was very annoying. My wife thought it would help if I reprogrammed 
the stock Special Operations Commander's manly voice to a softer woman's 
voice with a southern drawl.  My wife changed my call handle on the computer 
from "Scorpion" to "Honey Badger" and finally to "Honey Do Badger" thinking 
it would be funny since I complained so much about the computer telling me 
what to do.


Now, I had two women telling me telling me how to drive, "watch out", 
"engaging rollover mitigation", "your too close to that rock", "downshifting 
on your command, Honey Do Badger " and "you better slowdown."   This is when 
I shut it down for the rest of the trip and relied on the standard computer 
and my wife who realized the computer was not good for my blood pressure.


Lunar Crater, Nevada is presumed to be volcanic.

Here is link to wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Crater_National_Natural_Landmark

Best Regards,

Adam 



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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Crater Drone Crash Video - Team LunarRock

[Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list]

Hi Adam and List,

Technology is a necessary evil. From what I have read, crashes seem to
be a regular issue with drones, regardless of how experienced the
operator is. I guess somebody needs to build a robust drone that
doesn't rely on plastic and Chinese parts. Of course, weight is an
issue, so I guess that is why they use so much plastic. Maybe carbon
fiber composites could be used - expensive, but tough and lightweight.

So what is this "Lunar Crater"?  Is it a volcanic feature? It
certainly looks like a meteorite impact crater, but looks can be
deceiving.  I am assuming it is not meteoritic, since there has never
been any mention of meteorites or impactites found there.

I think I would have squelched the verbose computer as well. Having a
digital voice barking orders while one is trying to concentrate would
be annoying at best, if not downright dangerous.

Best regards and Happy Huntings,

MikeG



On 12/20/16, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
> Dear List Members,
>
> Our last trip proves that depending too much on technology is not always a
> good thing.   We lost our drone capabilities on the third day of the Team
> LunarRock expedition last September.  Two team members, "Action Jackson" and
>
> my stepson temporarily separated from the rest of the eight person, four
> vehicle group on our way to northern Nevada.  They managed to crash the
> navigation drone at Lunar Crater, Nevada before we had a chance to use it on
>
> the rest of the trip.  Action Jackson is an expert drone pilot having solved
>
> the "Giant Crystal" mystery at Christmas Tree Pass with it two days before
> and a night flight over Pahrump the previous evening in addition to hundreds
>
> of hours of logged flight time.  The range had been extended on this drone
> so that we could use it to scout ahead when navigating uncharted trails and
>
> to determine property boundaries so that we would not end up on somebody's
> else's land or worse yet, a mining claim where you are likely to be shot.
>
> Image of drone pre-packed for the Team LunarRock September Nevada
> expedition.
> http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/Nevada2016Trip/DronePreFlight.jpg
>
> An example of one of the flight plans over our Rye Patch, Nevada property
> near where "Curious Iron Stones" were being found by miners.  I will get
> into the surprising findings to what the "Curious Iron Stones" actually
> turned out to be later:
> http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/Nevada2016Trip/DroneFlightPlan13.jpg
>
> It doesn't matter how much you prepare for a trip.  Unexpected events always
>
> seem to crop up on them. Our backup drone was not ready for the trip so it
> was left behind.  It was never registered anyway.  You will note that the
> Jeep Cherokee in the video is the same one that I was offering a few weeks
> ago.  The Jeep Cherokee is like an old friend, always reliable, always
> getting us into tough areas and then out again making it difficult to part
> with.  This 2,200 plus mile journey was the last expedition that we had
> planned for it since we have more than enough updated 4X4s to handle future
>
> trips.  Speaking about updates, I had to turn off our navigation computers
> in the updated Jeep Rubicons since they became annoying, constantly warning
>
> us about dangerous trail conditions, rollovers and steep terrain. I do not
> need a computer telling when to disconnect the sway bars or engaging the
> lockers.  It became nerve-wracking having  the computer distracting me with
>
> verbal commands when paralleling a 300 foot cliff with inches to spare.  The
>
> computer would unexpectedly engage traction control, downhill and uphill
> assists making it even more problematic and unpredictable.  This made me
> appreciate the simple and very effective Quadra-Trac 4X4 system in the older
>
> Jeep Cherokee.
>
> Here is the video of the drone taking spectacular footage of Lunar Crater
> before meeting its demise at the very end:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C0QWSGn108
>
> Although the crash doesn't appear to be much, dust got into one of the
> Chinese-made motors and seized it permanently.  Even though the flight
> capabilities were gone, we managed to use its 12 decimal point navigation
> system, which is far more accurate than our Garmin Rhino GPSs to find
> property monument markers, boundaries and other destinations by hanging it
> out the window while driving.  It is interesting to note that Moon dust also
>
> raised havoc with equipment during the Apollo and Luna missions.
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Adam Hupe
> Tem LunarRock
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[meteorite-list] Lunar Crater Drone Crash Video - Team LunarRock

[Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list]

Dear List Members,

Our last trip proves that depending too much on technology is not always a 
good thing.   We lost our drone capabilities on the third day of the Team 
LunarRock expedition last September.  Two team members, "Action Jackson" and 
my stepson temporarily separated from the rest of the eight person, four 
vehicle group on our way to northern Nevada.  They managed to crash the 
navigation drone at Lunar Crater, Nevada before we had a chance to use it on 
the rest of the trip.  Action Jackson is an expert drone pilot having solved 
the "Giant Crystal" mystery at Christmas Tree Pass with it two days before 
and a night flight over Pahrump the previous evening in addition to hundreds 
of hours of logged flight time.  The range had been extended on this drone 
so that we could use it to scout ahead when navigating uncharted trails and 
to determine property boundaries so that we would not end up on somebody's 
else's land or worse yet, a mining claim where you are likely to be shot.


Image of drone pre-packed for the Team LunarRock September Nevada 
expedition.

http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/Nevada2016Trip/DronePreFlight.jpg

An example of one of the flight plans over our Rye Patch, Nevada property 
near where "Curious Iron Stones" were being found by miners.  I will get 
into the surprising findings to what the "Curious Iron Stones" actually 
turned out to be later:

http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/Nevada2016Trip/DroneFlightPlan13.jpg

It doesn't matter how much you prepare for a trip.  Unexpected events always 
seem to crop up on them. Our backup drone was not ready for the trip so it 
was left behind.  It was never registered anyway.  You will note that the 
Jeep Cherokee in the video is the same one that I was offering a few weeks 
ago.  The Jeep Cherokee is like an old friend, always reliable, always 
getting us into tough areas and then out again making it difficult to part 
with.  This 2,200 plus mile journey was the last expedition that we had 
planned for it since we have more than enough updated 4X4s to handle future 
trips.  Speaking about updates, I had to turn off our navigation computers 
in the updated Jeep Rubicons since they became annoying, constantly warning 
us about dangerous trail conditions, rollovers and steep terrain. I do not 
need a computer telling when to disconnect the sway bars or engaging the 
lockers.  It became nerve-wracking having  the computer distracting me with 
verbal commands when paralleling a 300 foot cliff with inches to spare.  The 
computer would unexpectedly engage traction control, downhill and uphill 
assists making it even more problematic and unpredictable.  This made me 
appreciate the simple and very effective Quadra-Trac 4X4 system in the older 
Jeep Cherokee.


Here is the video of the drone taking spectacular footage of Lunar Crater 
before meeting its demise at the very end:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C0QWSGn108

Although the crash doesn't appear to be much, dust got into one of the 
Chinese-made motors and seized it permanently.  Even though the flight 
capabilities were gone, we managed to use its 12 decimal point navigation 
system, which is far more accurate than our Garmin Rhino GPSs to find 
property monument markers, boundaries and other destinations by hanging it 
out the window while driving.  It is interesting to note that Moon dust also 
raised havoc with equipment during the Apollo and Luna missions.



Best Regards,

Adam Hupe
Tem LunarRock









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[meteorite-list] Lunar impact: how the Moon’s Mare Orientale was formed

[Paul via Meteorite-list]

Subsurface map of moon reveals origin of mysterious impact
crater rings by Paul Voosen, Science News, Oct. 27, 2016
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/10/subsurface-map-moon-reveals-origin-mysterious-impact-crater-rings

Lunar impact: how the Moon’s Mare Orientale was formed
Astronomy Now, October 29, 2016
https://astronomynow.com/2016/10/29/lunar-impact-how-the-moons-mare-orientale-was-formed/

Insights into giant impacts on moon, Earth and Mars NASA/Jet
Propulsion Laboratory, Brown university, October 27, 2016
http://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/nasa-moon-mission-shares-insights-into-giant-impacts/
https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/news/2016/10/27/nasa-moon-mission-shares-insights-into-giant-impacts
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/10/161027141000.htm
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/10/161027142654.htm

The paper is:

Zuber, M. T., D. E. Smith, and many others, 2016, Gravity field
of the Orientale basin from the Gravity Recovery and Interior
Laboratory Mission. Science. vol. 354, no. 6311, pp. 438-441
DOI: 10.1126/science.aag0519
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/354/6311/438

Yours,

Paul H.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Milk

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Hmmm, meteorite cookies & milk..

I dunk--do you? 


- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Gessler via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
To: "meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 10:26 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar Milk



Just cut a new Lunar on the saw.
Here is a fun video for you..plus how to extract the most sought after 
Lunar Milk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9SKaEKM5zo


-Paul Gessler 

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[meteorite-list] Lunar Milk

[Paul Gessler via Meteorite-list]

Just cut a new Lunar on the saw.
Here is a fun video for you..plus how to extract the most sought after 
Lunar Milk:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9SKaEKM5zo


-Paul Gessler 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Lava Tubes Could Protect Astronauts

[Larry Lebofsky via Meteorite-list]

Sterling and Paul:

There were also two conferences (at least) on lunar habitats that
discussed the existence and use of lava tubes that were held in 1986 and
1988 (we were "designing" these in our education workshops in the early
90s). Heinlein wrote several books about underground lunar habitats (late
50s to early 60s), but not sure if any of them were actually mentioned to
be built in lava tubes.

> Paul, List,
>
> The earliest references on the
> Marius Hills lava tubes go back
> to 1971-2. See the references in:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_lava_tube
>
> Then, there was a quiet among
> publications; one in 1992, but
> then after 2000, a flurry of lava
> tube publications, as you can see
> in the bibliography of the above.
>
> A great picture of lunar lava
> tubes at:
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/Lunar_collapse_pits.jpg
>
> 2014 saw a raft of publications
> on Martian lava tubes; see the
> bibliography in this:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martian_lava_tube
>
> Few earlier papers but this great
> photo shows Martian lava tubes:
> https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn9220-lava-tubes-snapped-snaking-acros
> s-mars/
> It was taken by Mars Express in
> 2004 but only released this week.
> Yup! That's the ticket --- sit on
> your data... for a decade.
>
> The surface radiation on Mars
> isn't as bad as on the Moon, but
> humans still need protection
> from it, especially if you intend
> to stay on Mars for long.
>
> And last, a remarkable look into
> a lava tube on Earth, seen as a
> Martian analogue, with lots of
> photos:
> https://walking-on-red-dust.com/2016/01/19/the-cave/
>
> I'm going to say "remarkable"
> again.
>
> And giving credit, the novelist Kim
> Stanley Robinson set much of the
> second book of his Martian Trilogy,
> "Green Mars," written in 1994, in
> Dorsa Brevia, the dorsae being
> believed to be Martian lava tubes.
>
> Sterling Webb
> ---
> -Original Message-
> From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com]
> On
> Behalf Of Paul via Meteorite-list
> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 8:19 PM
> To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar Lava Tubes Could Protect Astronauts
>
> Lunar Shelter: Moon Caves Could Protect Astronauts By Nola Taylor Redd,
> Space.com
> http://www.space.com/32795-moon-lava-tubes-protect-astronauts.html
>
> Scientists May Have Spotted Buried Lava Tubes on the Moon by Nadia Drake ,
> No Place Like Home (Blog)
> http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/25/scientists-may-have-spott
> ed-buried-lava-tubes-on-the-moon/
>
> Marius Hills Pit - Lava Tube Skylight?
> Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera
> NAC M114328462R [NASA/GSFC/Arizona State University]
> http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/posts/202
>
> The Marius Hills pit is a possible skylight in a lava tube in an ancient
> volcanic region of the Moon called the Marius Hills. This LROC image is
> the
> highest resolution image of the pit to date. Image width is 500 meters,
> pixel width is 0.5 meters, NAC M114328462R [NASA/GSFC/Arizona State
> University]
> http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/uploads/LROCiotw/M114328462R_thumb.png
>
> Theoretical study suggests huge lava tubes could exist on moon, University
> of Perdue,
> http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2015/Q1/theoretical-study-suggests-h
> uge-lava-tubes-could-exist-on-moon.html
>
> Yours,
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Lava Tubes Could Protect Astronauts

[Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list]

Paul, List,

The earliest references on the 
Marius Hills lava tubes go back 
to 1971-2. See the references in:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_lava_tube

Then, there was a quiet among 
publications; one in 1992, but 
then after 2000, a flurry of lava 
tube publications, as you can see 
in the bibliography of the above.

A great picture of lunar lava 
tubes at:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/Lunar_collapse_pits.jpg

2014 saw a raft of publications 
on Martian lava tubes; see the 
bibliography in this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martian_lava_tube

Few earlier papers but this great 
photo shows Martian lava tubes:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn9220-lava-tubes-snapped-snaking-acros
s-mars/
It was taken by Mars Express in 
2004 but only released this week. 
Yup! That's the ticket --- sit on 
your data... for a decade.

The surface radiation on Mars 
isn't as bad as on the Moon, but 
humans still need protection 
from it, especially if you intend 
to stay on Mars for long.

And last, a remarkable look into 
a lava tube on Earth, seen as a 
Martian analogue, with lots of 
photos:
https://walking-on-red-dust.com/2016/01/19/the-cave/

I'm going to say "remarkable" 
again.

And giving credit, the novelist Kim 
Stanley Robinson set much of the 
second book of his Martian Trilogy, 
"Green Mars," written in 1994, in 
Dorsa Brevia, the dorsae being 
believed to be Martian lava tubes.

Sterling Webb
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Behalf Of Paul via Meteorite-list
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 8:19 PM
To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar Lava Tubes Could Protect Astronauts

Lunar Shelter: Moon Caves Could Protect Astronauts By Nola Taylor Redd,
Space.com http://www.space.com/32795-moon-lava-tubes-protect-astronauts.html

Scientists May Have Spotted Buried Lava Tubes on the Moon by Nadia Drake ,
No Place Like Home (Blog)
http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/25/scientists-may-have-spott
ed-buried-lava-tubes-on-the-moon/

Marius Hills Pit - Lava Tube Skylight?
Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera
NAC M114328462R [NASA/GSFC/Arizona State University]
http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/posts/202

The Marius Hills pit is a possible skylight in a lava tube in an ancient
volcanic region of the Moon called the Marius Hills. This LROC image is the
highest resolution image of the pit to date. Image width is 500 meters,
pixel width is 0.5 meters, NAC M114328462R [NASA/GSFC/Arizona State
University]
http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/uploads/LROCiotw/M114328462R_thumb.png

Theoretical study suggests huge lava tubes could exist on moon, University
of Perdue,
http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2015/Q1/theoretical-study-suggests-h
uge-lava-tubes-could-exist-on-moon.html

Yours,

Paul H.

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[meteorite-list] Lunar Lava Tubes Could Protect Astronauts

[Paul via Meteorite-list]

Lunar Shelter: Moon Caves Could Protect Astronauts
By Nola Taylor Redd, Space.com
http://www.space.com/32795-moon-lava-tubes-protect-astronauts.html

Scientists May Have Spotted Buried Lava Tubes on
the Moon by Nadia Drake , No Place Like Home (Blog)
http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/25/scientists-may-have-spotted-buried-lava-tubes-on-the-moon/

Marius Hills Pit - Lava Tube Skylight?
Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera
NAC M114328462R [NASA/GSFC/Arizona State University]
http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/posts/202

The Marius Hills pit is a possible skylight in a lava
tube in an ancient volcanic region of the Moon called
the Marius Hills. This LROC image is the highest
resolution image of the pit to date. Image width is
500 meters, pixel width is 0.5 meters,
NAC M114328462R [NASA/GSFC/Arizona State University]
http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/uploads/LROCiotw/M114328462R_thumb.png

Theoretical study suggests huge lava tubes could exist
on moon, University of Perdue, 
http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2015/Q1/theoretical-study-suggests-huge-lava-tubes-could-exist-on-moon.html


Yours,

Paul H.

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[meteorite-list] Lunar offerings

[Gary Fujihara via Meteorite-list]

Aloha Meteorite lovers,

The Big Kahuna is pleased to announce the availability of two affordably 
beautiful lunar meteorites. 

NWA 8277 is a lunar meteorite found in Morocco in 2013. This meteorite features 
a brecciated texture with white feldspar and green-brown pyroxene and olivine 
grains (up to 3 mm) set in a dark gray-green matrix. Microprobe examination of 
polished mount shows a fragmental breccia of plagioclase, pyroxene, and olivine 
grains in a wide range of grain sizes. NWA 8277 is an awesome mingled breccia 
that is a feast for the eyes. 
http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/NWA8277.html

NWA 8687  is a lunar meteorite found in Morocco in 2013, from which the 
original specimen was a single stone with no fusion crust, with an irregular 
sandblasted exterior featuring numerous light- and dark-colored clasts. Saw cut 
reveals brecciated texture with white feldspar and green-brown pyroxene and 
olivine grains (up to 3 mm) set in a dark gray-green matrix. Microprobe 
examination of polished mount shows a fragmental breccia of plagioclase, 
pyroxene, and olivine grains in a wide range of grain sizes. The groundmass is 
variable with some domains showing a uniform fine-grained subophitic 
plagioclase-pyroxene texture, while other domains show densely packed mineral 
clasts ranging from 10-300 μm. This is a fantastic breccia that features 
anorthositic and gabbroic clasts.
http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/NWA8687.html

Big Kahuna also has regularly scheduled eBay auctions ending Saturday beginning 
at 8:00am Pacific / 11:00am Eastern / 4:00pm London / 6:00pm Helsinki / 11:00pm 
Singapore. FREE Worldwide shipping on select meteorites. 
http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html

Mahalo and have an awesome day!

Gary Fujihara
Big Kahuna Meteorites Inc.
PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI  96720
(808) 640-9161
http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/
http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html

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[meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts

[Graham via Meteorite-list]

Hi All,
What I see here is possibly the big buyers controlling the market price 
similar to the diamond market!
Buy everything and only allow small amounts onto the market to maintain an 
overpriced product.
Lets face it they are not that spectacular to look at and as others have 
said here, there are so many now the price should be a fraction of what it 
is and $10 a gram sounds about right.
When I first started collecting I bought a little rare micro Martian and 
love it!
Now I want a 5 gram piece for the cost of that same micro because they no 
where as rare today?


Things have changed now and buyers wont pay these inflated prices for a 
relatively common piece no matter who hoards them!
To most of us meteorites are a wonder of the universe to be collected and 
studied! to others there just for making money ?


My 2 cents worth
Graham Macleod
8781 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts

[Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list]

Hello Listers,

I agree, its supply and demand. Heck, I got a Martian for $125 per gram.
As for planataries, this is my theory... All you really need is a couple
meteorites from each body and then you move on. True, there is
scientific value to be had, but that's the case with every meteorite.
The question is, is if it hold's historic merit and science is historic
merit as well if its important.

For me, I would like to get a Nakhla again, I traded mine, but till
then, ill hold onto my NWA martian. As for lunar meteorites are
concerned, if it looks like a lunar and acts like a lunar point me in
the direction to the best look example for the cheapest price :)

Now here's the ticker Lets say someone finds a lunar meteorite in
USA would it be more then NWA lunar? In my book no, it would be the
same. Even if it was some new classification I think it would be the
same.? Cause at the end of the day, its still from the moon. How many
more meteorites can one collect from the moon? 

Now if its the first lunar meteorite fall that can cause an up roar and
if it hit something or killed a horse or cow, or hits some lady in the
hip, I think it would be a pretty penny. But again, its still from the
moon and each year more and more meteorites keep coming from the moon.
Just think, in 20 years from now, there will be 200 more lunar
meteorites on the market Just say. But I would say this, the first
lunar fall will be historic and when that happens you better buy up all
the lunar meteorites you can, cause the price of a lunar meteorite will
go back up to $1000 plus per gram and more. 

Now back to martian meteorites... They can hold merit, black beauty can
sell for a lot, but has dropped in price, while Nakhla has stayed its
ground. When science discovers life on Mars, martian meteorites will go
up in value over night and lot of people will make some coins if they
cash out what they have, only time will tell with martian meteorites.

I guess at the end of the day, we need some big planetary event to make
these peanuts into pecans :) and when that happens meteorite collecting
will go full throttle in collecting and price.

Shawn Alan
IMCA 1633 
ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html
Website http://meteoritefalls.com 

  Original Message 
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts
 From: Galactic Stone  Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com
 Date: Fri, May 29, 2015 5:13 pm
 To: Shawn Alan shawna...@meteoritefalls.com
 Cc: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 
 
 Hi Shawn,
 
 I think most of what we are seeing is supply and demand at work.  As
 time goes on, more and more planetaries are coming out of the hot
 deserts, especially the NWA DCA.  In recent months, we have seen over
 a dozen new planetaries (including several lunars) that have been
 approved in the Met Bulletin.
 
 New collectors are coming in to the hobby on a regular basis, but the
 supply of planetaries available to these collectors has stayed steady
 or increased.  Old offerings are absorbed into collections and vanish
 from the open market, but they are replaced with numerous new
 offerings that are being sold by an ever-increasing number of dealers.
 
 In the past, the majority of planetaries were held by a
 relatively-small group of veteran dealers.  Now, there are many
 middle/moderate-size dealers who are offering lunars and Martians.
 
 In order to be competitive, dealers need to better control the
 supply/market (not likely) or lower prices to attract buyers to these
 new planetaries - many of which are not that remarkable in comparison
 to previous offerings.   For every new Nakhlite or Black Beauty, there
 are a dozen new (sometimes unpaired) shergottites hitting the
 market.
 
 I won't mention names, but there are a couple of big collector/dealers
 who are buying up multiple planetary masses in recent years and the
 majority of that material does not appear to have hit the open market
 yet.  If that material is ever released into the market, it would
 depress the asking prices even further.
 
 Best regards,
 
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 On 5/29/15, Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
  Hello Listers
 
  I am starting to see a trend with Lunar and Martian meteorites, but
  especial with Lunar's. Some can be had for $300 per gram or less, or
  some times on ebay you can get a steal on some of the 1g plus sizes for
  less then $400 a gram. But again at the sub gram leave the price is
  still in the high $500 to $800 per gram which is expected at that size.
 
  My question is, is there new product on the market or has planataries
  shifted

Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts

[Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list]

It's true that for those prices you need to lay out some money. 

Sent from my iPad

 On May 30, 2015, at 8:29 AM, Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 
 Hi Dennis,
 
 From what I hear if you have $50,000 to spend you can buy cheap lunar
 meteorites. The retail prices that I have seen are $300 to $250 per gram.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Peter 
 
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 From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On
 Behalf Of Apollo via Meteorite-list
 Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 10:31 AM
 To: Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts
 
 Good morning,
 I guess that I haven't been following the market as closely as I should
 have...but if any dealers have nice Martian or lunar specimens for sale at
 prices anywhere near what the recent posts have mentioned, I would
 appreciate hearing from you.
 Thanks,
 Dennis 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 30, 2015, at 6:41 AM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 
 
 It is true that rare things will always be rare and will be priced
 accordingly, and for that reason you may be entirely right Michael that it
 can be simply supply and demand.  Personally though, I think supply and
 demand is too simple a concept for collectible items.  What I mean is, I
 wonder how much of this shift in price might be due to the recent strength
 of the dollar?
 
 In case someone is not following:
 An example of this is what is happening in the antique Japanese sword
 market.  The value of the yen relative to the dollar is 120 to 1 currently.
 Which is different than it was about a year ago when the dollar was weaker,
 and the value was perhaps 100 to 1.  Japanese swords in Japan that were
 selling for 100,000 yen last year (1000 dollars) are not currently worth
 120,000 yen in Japan.  They are still only worth 100,000 yen.  In other
 words, the value of a sword does not go up simply because a foreign currency
 became stronger.  However, because the dollar is stronger now, you can get a
 better sword out of Japan for the same price in dollars as you would have
 paid for a lesser sword last year.  In other words, 1000 dollars today
 (120,000 yen) buys you a more valuable sword than it did last year simply
 because the dollar got stronger.
 
 Now consider a sword that an American sword merchant/collector bought from
 Japan last year for 1000 dollars (100,000 yen) and is now here in America.
 It is still worth 1000 dollars here, but now that you can buy a 120,000 yen
 sword for 1000 dollars, (and those swords are plenty available in Japan) why
 would someone buy a sword valued at 100,000 yen for 1000 dollars here in
 America, when they can get a better sword (valued at 120,000 yen) from
 Japan for the same 1000 dollars?
 
 This same type of scenario can be true in for rare books, meteorites etc.
 etc.  If, for example, Mike Meteorite Merchant bought a 10,000 dollar 1000g
 Lunar mass from Morocco last year when the dollar was weaker, now that the
 dollar is stronger the same 1000g Lunar mass might only cost 8,000 dollars
 from a merchant in Morocco.  That devalues Mike's meteorite.  If he wants to
 sell bits and pieces of it, he has to sell it for similar value as what the
 newer cheaper specimens are selling for.
 
 Can I say for sur
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts

[Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list]

It not just the lower end of the planetaries being hit; it is widespread. 
Meteorite prices in general have been falling steadily for years due mainly 
to increased supply but have been hit particularly hard since 2008.  Falls 
like Peekskill, Claxton and others can now be had for a fraction of the 
price they were once going for.  Collectors are becoming more patient 
knowing that the price of a new fall will drop significantly when all the 
hype and newness wears off. Collectors have a lot to choose from as far as 
Martian, Lunar and other rare meteorites go. Like most collectables at the 
top tier, high end Lunar specimens are holding their price and putting 
downward price pressure on other less than pristine Lunar meteorites. 
Buyers determine the long-term price, not dealers, especially in a very thin 
market!


Other collectables like artifacts, fossils, minerals and art have held their 
price or made gains on the extreme high end only.   The middle class that 
used to create the demand for most collectables has been pinched hard or 
eliminated leaving very little wiggle room in their wallets for luxuries 
like collectables.  They are now way more discerning about how they spend 
their hard earned cash than ever before. The saying in collectables is buy 
what you can afford at the high end.  This is because it is a well-known 
fact that top tier collectables will always outperform all others.


Be glad you are not into antiques or baseball cards.  It seems the younger 
crowd is not interested in anything other than the latest gadgets these days 
and could care less about collectables with the exception of their daddy's 
1960's muscle car which they hope to one day inherit since they cannot 
possibly afford one of their own.


Happy Hunting,

Adam

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meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

To: Shawn Alan shawna...@meteoritefalls.com
Cc: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts



Hi Shawn,

I think most of what we are seeing is supply and demand at work.  As
time goes on, more and more planetaries are coming out of the hot
deserts, especially the NWA DCA.  In recent months, we have seen over
a dozen new planetaries (including several lunars) that have been
approved in the Met Bulletin.

New collectors are coming in to the hobby on a regular basis, but the
supply of planetaries available to these collectors has stayed steady
or increased.  Old offerings are absorbed into collections and vanish
from the open market, but they are replaced with numerous new
offerings that are being sold by an ever-increasing number of dealers.

In the past, the majority of planetaries were held by a
relatively-small group of veteran dealers.  Now, there are many
middle/moderate-size dealers who are offering lunars and Martians.

In order to be competitive, dealers need to better control the
supply/market (not likely) or lower prices to attract buyers to these
new planetaries - many of which are not that remarkable in comparison
to previous offerings.   For every new Nakhlite or Black Beauty, there
are a dozen new (sometimes unpaired) shergottites hitting the
market.

I won't mention names, but there are a couple of big collector/dealers
who are buying up multiple planetary masses in recent years and the
majority of that material does not appear to have hit the open market
yet.  If that material is ever released into the market, it would
depress the asking prices even further.

Best regards,

MikeG
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On 5/29/15, Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:

Hello Listers

I am starting to see a trend with Lunar and Martian meteorites, but
especial with Lunar's. Some can be had for $300 per gram or less, or
some times on ebay you can get a steal on some of the 1g plus sizes for
less then $400 a gram. But again at the sub gram leave the price is
still in the high $500 to $800 per gram which is expected at that size.

My question is, is there new product on the market or has planataries
shifted in value?

Shawn Alan
IMCA 1633
ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html
Website http://meteoritefalls.com

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts

[Count Deiro via Meteorite-list]

Well put, Adam. 

For years, I owned and operated a company that sold at auction the whole gamut 
of collectibles. You nailed it in your dissertation on the ebb and flow of 
values and how they are affected by our everchanging culture. I remember when 
big brass autos of the early 20th. Century brought hundreds of thousands of 
dollars. Now they are boat anchors.

Guido   

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Sent: May 29, 2015 5:00 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts

It not just the lower end of the planetaries being hit; it is widespread. 
Meteorite prices in general have been falling steadily for years due mainly 
to increased supply but have been hit particularly hard since 2008.  Falls 
like Peekskill, Claxton and others can now be had for a fraction of the 
price they were once going for.  Collectors are becoming more patient 
knowing that the price of a new fall will drop significantly when all the 
hype and newness wears off. Collectors have a lot to choose from as far as 
Martian, Lunar and other rare meteorites go. Like most collectables at the 
top tier, high end Lunar specimens are holding their price and putting 
downward price pressure on other less than pristine Lunar meteorites. 
Buyers determine the long-term price, not dealers, especially in a very thin 
market!

Other collectables like artifacts, fossils, minerals and art have held their 
price or made gains on the extreme high end only.   The middle class that 
used to create the demand for most collectables has been pinched hard or 
eliminated leaving very little wiggle room in their wallets for luxuries 
like collectables.  They are now way more discerning about how they spend 
their hard earned cash than ever before. The saying in collectables is buy 
what you can afford at the high end.  This is because it is a well-known 
fact that top tier collectables will always outperform all others.

Be glad you are not into antiques or baseball cards.  It seems the younger 
crowd is not interested in anything other than the latest gadgets these days 
and could care less about collectables with the exception of their daddy's 
1960's muscle car which they hope to one day inherit since they cannot 
possibly afford one of their own.

Happy Hunting,

Adam

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From: Galactic Stone  Ironworks via Meteorite-list 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
To: Shawn Alan shawna...@meteoritefalls.com
Cc: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts


 Hi Shawn,

 I think most of what we are seeing is supply and demand at work.  As
 time goes on, more and more planetaries are coming out of the hot
 deserts, especially the NWA DCA.  In recent months, we have seen over
 a dozen new planetaries (including several lunars) that have been
 approved in the Met Bulletin.

 New collectors are coming in to the hobby on a regular basis, but the
 supply of planetaries available to these collectors has stayed steady
 or increased.  Old offerings are absorbed into collections and vanish
 from the open market, but they are replaced with numerous new
 offerings that are being sold by an ever-increasing number of dealers.

 In the past, the majority of planetaries were held by a
 relatively-small group of veteran dealers.  Now, there are many
 middle/moderate-size dealers who are offering lunars and Martians.

 In order to be competitive, dealers need to better control the
 supply/market (not likely) or lower prices to attract buyers to these
 new planetaries - many of which are not that remarkable in comparison
 to previous offerings.   For every new Nakhlite or Black Beauty, there
 are a dozen new (sometimes unpaired) shergottites hitting the
 market.

 I won't mention names, but there are a couple of big collector/dealers
 who are buying up multiple planetary masses in recent years and the
 majority of that material does not appear to have hit the open market
 yet.  If that material is ever released into the market, it would
 depress the asking prices even further.

 Best regards,

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 On 5/29/15, Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 Hello Listers

 I am starting to see a trend with Lunar and Martian meteorites, but
 especial with Lunar's. Some can be had for $300 per gram or less, or
 some times on ebay you can get a steal on some of the 1g plus sizes for
 less then $400 a gram. But again at the sub gram leave the price is
 still in the high $500

Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

It is true that rare things will always be rare and will be priced accordingly, 
and for that reason you may be entirely right Michael that it can be simply 
supply and demand.  Personally though, I think supply and demand is too 
simple a concept for collectible items.  What I mean is, I wonder how much of 
this shift in price might be due to the recent strength of the dollar?
 
In case someone is not following:
An example of this is what is happening in the antique Japanese sword market.  
The value of the yen relative to the dollar is 120 to 1 currently.  Which is 
different than it was about a year ago when the dollar was weaker, and the 
value was perhaps 100 to 1.  Japanese swords in Japan that were selling for 
100,000 yen last year (1000 dollars) are not currently worth 120,000 yen in 
Japan.  They are still only worth 100,000 yen.  In other words, the value of a 
sword does not go up simply because a foreign currency became stronger.  
However, because the dollar is stronger now, you can get a better sword out of 
Japan for the same price in dollars as you would have paid for a lesser sword 
last year.  In other words, 1000 dollars today (120,000 yen) buys you a more 
valuable sword than it did last year simply because the dollar got stronger.
 
Now consider a sword that an American sword merchant/collector bought from 
Japan last year for 1000 dollars (100,000 yen) and is now here in America.  It 
is still worth 1000 dollars here, but now that you can buy a 120,000 yen sword 
for 1000 dollars, (and those swords are plenty available in Japan) why would 
someone buy a sword valued at 100,000 yen for 1000 dollars here in America, 
when they can get a better sword (valued at 120,000 yen) from Japan for the 
same 1000 dollars?
 
This same type of scenario can be true in for rare books, meteorites etc. etc.  
If, for example, Mike Meteorite Merchant bought a 10,000 dollar 1000g Lunar 
mass from Morocco last year when the dollar was weaker, now that the dollar is 
stronger the same 1000g Lunar mass might only cost 8,000 dollars from a 
merchant in Morocco.  That devalues Mike's meteorite.  If he wants to sell bits 
and pieces of it, he has to sell it for similar value as what the newer cheaper 
specimens are selling for.
 
Can I say for sure that the stronger dollar we currently have accounts for the 
lower sales price of planetary specimens?  No.  But it can happen.  It is 
happening now in the Japanese sword market.  Most assuredly...
 
Cheers,
John
IMCA 3295
 
 
 
 
 
 

Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 at 5:13 PM
From: Galactic Stone  Ironworks via Meteorite-list 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
To: Shawn Alan shawna...@meteoritefalls.com
Cc: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts
Hi Shawn,

I think most of what we are seeing is supply and demand at work. As
time goes on, more and more planetaries are coming out of the hot
deserts, especially the NWA DCA. In recent months, we have seen over
a dozen new planetaries (including several lunars) that have been
approved in the Met Bulletin.

New collectors are coming in to the hobby on a regular basis, but the
supply of planetaries available to these collectors has stayed steady
or increased. Old offerings are absorbed into collections and vanish
from the open market, but they are replaced with numerous new
offerings that are being sold by an ever-increasing number of dealers.

In the past, the majority of planetaries were held by a
relatively-small group of veteran dealers. Now, there are many
middle/moderate-size dealers who are offering lunars and Martians.

In order to be competitive, dealers need to better control the
supply/market (not likely) or lower prices to attract buyers to these
new planetaries - many of which are not that remarkable in comparison
to previous offerings. For every new Nakhlite or Black Beauty, there
are a dozen new (sometimes unpaired) shergottites hitting the
market.

I won't mention names, but there are a couple of big collector/dealers
who are buying up multiple planetary masses in recent years and the
majority of that material does not appear to have hit the open market
yet. If that material is ever released into the market, it would
depress the asking prices even further.

Best regards,

MikeG
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On 5/29/15, Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 Hello Listers

 I am starting to see a trend with Lunar and Martian meteorites, but
 especial with Lunar's. Some can be had for $300 per gram or less

Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts

[Apollo via Meteorite-list]

Good morning,
I guess that I haven't been following the market as closely as I should 
have...but if any dealers have nice Martian or lunar specimens for sale at 
prices anywhere near what the recent posts have mentioned, I would appreciate 
hearing from you.
Thanks,
Dennis 

Sent from my iPhone

 On May 30, 2015, at 6:41 AM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 
 
 It is true that rare things will always be rare and will be priced 
 accordingly, and for that reason you may be entirely right Michael that it 
 can be simply supply and demand.  Personally though, I think supply and 
 demand is too simple a concept for collectible items.  What I mean is, I 
 wonder how much of this shift in price might be due to the recent strength of 
 the dollar?
  
 In case someone is not following:
 An example of this is what is happening in the antique Japanese sword market. 
  The value of the yen relative to the dollar is 120 to 1 currently.  Which is 
 different than it was about a year ago when the dollar was weaker, and the 
 value was perhaps 100 to 1.  Japanese swords in Japan that were selling for 
 100,000 yen last year (1000 dollars) are not currently worth 120,000 yen in 
 Japan.  They are still only worth 100,000 yen.  In other words, the value of 
 a sword does not go up simply because a foreign currency became stronger.  
 However, because the dollar is stronger now, you can get a better sword out 
 of Japan for the same price in dollars as you would have paid for a lesser 
 sword last year.  In other words, 1000 dollars today (120,000 yen) buys you a 
 more valuable sword than it did last year simply because the dollar got 
 stronger.
  
 Now consider a sword that an American sword merchant/collector bought from 
 Japan last year for 1000 dollars (100,000 yen) and is now here in America.  
 It is still worth 1000 dollars here, but now that you can buy a 120,000 yen 
 sword for 1000 dollars, (and those swords are plenty available in Japan) why 
 would someone buy a sword valued at 100,000 yen for 1000 dollars here in 
 America, when they can get a better sword (valued at 120,000 yen) from 
 Japan for the same 1000 dollars?
  
 This same type of scenario can be true in for rare books, meteorites etc. 
 etc.  If, for example, Mike Meteorite Merchant bought a 10,000 dollar 1000g 
 Lunar mass from Morocco last year when the dollar was weaker, now that the 
 dollar is stronger the same 1000g Lunar mass might only cost 8,000 dollars 
 from a merchant in Morocco.  That devalues Mike's meteorite.  If he wants to 
 sell bits and pieces of it, he has to sell it for similar value as what the 
 newer cheaper specimens are selling for.
  
 Can I say for sur
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts

[Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list]

Hi Dennis,

From what I hear if you have $50,000 to spend you can buy cheap lunar
meteorites. The retail prices that I have seen are $300 to $250 per gram.

Thanks,

Peter 

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Behalf Of Apollo via Meteorite-list
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 10:31 AM
To: Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts

Good morning,
I guess that I haven't been following the market as closely as I should
have...but if any dealers have nice Martian or lunar specimens for sale at
prices anywhere near what the recent posts have mentioned, I would
appreciate hearing from you.
Thanks,
Dennis 

Sent from my iPhone

 On May 30, 2015, at 6:41 AM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 
 
 It is true that rare things will always be rare and will be priced
accordingly, and for that reason you may be entirely right Michael that it
can be simply supply and demand.  Personally though, I think supply and
demand is too simple a concept for collectible items.  What I mean is, I
wonder how much of this shift in price might be due to the recent strength
of the dollar?
  
 In case someone is not following:
 An example of this is what is happening in the antique Japanese sword
market.  The value of the yen relative to the dollar is 120 to 1 currently.
Which is different than it was about a year ago when the dollar was weaker,
and the value was perhaps 100 to 1.  Japanese swords in Japan that were
selling for 100,000 yen last year (1000 dollars) are not currently worth
120,000 yen in Japan.  They are still only worth 100,000 yen.  In other
words, the value of a sword does not go up simply because a foreign currency
became stronger.  However, because the dollar is stronger now, you can get a
better sword out of Japan for the same price in dollars as you would have
paid for a lesser sword last year.  In other words, 1000 dollars today
(120,000 yen) buys you a more valuable sword than it did last year simply
because the dollar got stronger.
  
 Now consider a sword that an American sword merchant/collector bought from
Japan last year for 1000 dollars (100,000 yen) and is now here in America.
It is still worth 1000 dollars here, but now that you can buy a 120,000 yen
sword for 1000 dollars, (and those swords are plenty available in Japan) why
would someone buy a sword valued at 100,000 yen for 1000 dollars here in
America, when they can get a better sword (valued at 120,000 yen) from
Japan for the same 1000 dollars?
  
 This same type of scenario can be true in for rare books, meteorites etc.
etc.  If, for example, Mike Meteorite Merchant bought a 10,000 dollar 1000g
Lunar mass from Morocco last year when the dollar was weaker, now that the
dollar is stronger the same 1000g Lunar mass might only cost 8,000 dollars
from a merchant in Morocco.  That devalues Mike's meteorite.  If he wants to
sell bits and pieces of it, he has to sell it for similar value as what the
newer cheaper specimens are selling for.
  
 Can I say for sur
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts

[Carl Agee via Meteorite-list]

Supply and demand could be part of the story for lunars, maybe not for
martians. Here are the numbers for just new NWA lunars since 2010:

2010: 11
2011: 6
2012: 4
2013: 13
2014: 25

Here is the same time frame for NWA Martians:

2010: 11
2011: 6
2012: 4
2013: 10
2014: 12

Of course hidden in these numbers are TKW, quality, pairing, and type.
Obviously rarities like mare basalts, nakhlites, and chassignites
shouldn't be seeing price drops or decrease in demand. Not to mention
unique martians like NWA 7034 (Black Beauty) and NWA 8159. Maybe the
drop in price/demand is most pronounced in types that are most common
such as the lunar feldspathic breccias.

Just my opinion, but I don't think lunars will ever become as cheap as
eucrites, I think they are still quite rare on Earth and will be a
good long term investment. Maybe we are just seeing an anomaly in the
lunar offerings because a few recent big TKW  finds of lunars. Who
knows!

Carl Agee

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MSC03 2050
University of New Mexico
Albuquerque NM 87131-1126

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Fax: (505) 277-3577
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On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 Hello Listers

 I am starting to see a trend with Lunar and Martian meteorites, but
 especial with Lunar's. Some can be had for $300 per gram or less, or
 some times on ebay you can get a steal on some of the 1g plus sizes for
 less then $400 a gram. But again at the sub gram leave the price is
 still in the high $500 to $800 per gram which is expected at that size.

 My question is, is there new product on the market or has planataries
 shifted in value?

 Shawn Alan
 IMCA 1633
 ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html
 Website http://meteoritefalls.com

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts

[Carl Agee via Meteorite-list]

Sorry here is correct list, somehow the first three entries for lunars
got duplicated in the martians.

Here are the numbers for just new NWA lunars since 2010:

2010: 11
2011: 6
2012: 4
2013: 13
2014: 25

Here is the same time frame for NWA Martians:

2010: 2
2011: 8
2012: 8
2013: 10
2014: 12
*
Carl B. Agee
Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
MSC03 2050
University of New Mexico
Albuquerque NM 87131-1126

Tel: (505) 750-7172
Fax: (505) 277-3577
Email: a...@unm.edu
http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/



On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Carl Agee a...@unm.edu wrote:
 Supply and demand could be part of the story for lunars, maybe not for
 martians. Here are the numbers for just new NWA lunars since 2010:

 2010: 11
 2011: 6
 2012: 4
 2013: 13
 2014: 25

 Here is the same time frame for NWA Martians:

 2010: 11
 2011: 6
 2012: 4
 2013: 10
 2014: 12

 Of course hidden in these numbers are TKW, quality, pairing, and type.
 Obviously rarities like mare basalts, nakhlites, and chassignites
 shouldn't be seeing price drops or decrease in demand. Not to mention
 unique martians like NWA 7034 (Black Beauty) and NWA 8159. Maybe the
 drop in price/demand is most pronounced in types that are most common
 such as the lunar feldspathic breccias.

 Just my opinion, but I don't think lunars will ever become as cheap as
 eucrites, I think they are still quite rare on Earth and will be a
 good long term investment. Maybe we are just seeing an anomaly in the
 lunar offerings because a few recent big TKW  finds of lunars. Who
 knows!

 Carl Agee

 *
 Carl B. Agee
 Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
 Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
 MSC03 2050
 University of New Mexico
 Albuquerque NM 87131-1126

 Tel: (505) 750-7172
 Fax: (505) 277-3577
 Email: a...@unm.edu
 http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/



 On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 Hello Listers

 I am starting to see a trend with Lunar and Martian meteorites, but
 especial with Lunar's. Some can be had for $300 per gram or less, or
 some times on ebay you can get a steal on some of the 1g plus sizes for
 less then $400 a gram. But again at the sub gram leave the price is
 still in the high $500 to $800 per gram which is expected at that size.

 My question is, is there new product on the market or has planataries
 shifted in value?

 Shawn Alan
 IMCA 1633
 ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html
 Website http://meteoritefalls.com

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[meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts

[Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list]

Hello Listers

I am starting to see a trend with Lunar and Martian meteorites, but
especial with Lunar's. Some can be had for $300 per gram or less, or
some times on ebay you can get a steal on some of the 1g plus sizes for
less then $400 a gram. But again at the sub gram leave the price is
still in the high $500 to $800 per gram which is expected at that size. 

My question is, is there new product on the market or has planataries
shifted in value? 

Shawn Alan
IMCA 1633 
ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html
Website http://meteoritefalls.com 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts

[Galactic Stone Ironworks via Meteorite-list]

Hi Shawn,

I think most of what we are seeing is supply and demand at work.  As
time goes on, more and more planetaries are coming out of the hot
deserts, especially the NWA DCA.  In recent months, we have seen over
a dozen new planetaries (including several lunars) that have been
approved in the Met Bulletin.

New collectors are coming in to the hobby on a regular basis, but the
supply of planetaries available to these collectors has stayed steady
or increased.  Old offerings are absorbed into collections and vanish
from the open market, but they are replaced with numerous new
offerings that are being sold by an ever-increasing number of dealers.

In the past, the majority of planetaries were held by a
relatively-small group of veteran dealers.  Now, there are many
middle/moderate-size dealers who are offering lunars and Martians.

In order to be competitive, dealers need to better control the
supply/market (not likely) or lower prices to attract buyers to these
new planetaries - many of which are not that remarkable in comparison
to previous offerings.   For every new Nakhlite or Black Beauty, there
are a dozen new (sometimes unpaired) shergottites hitting the
market.

I won't mention names, but there are a couple of big collector/dealers
who are buying up multiple planetary masses in recent years and the
majority of that material does not appear to have hit the open market
yet.  If that material is ever released into the market, it would
depress the asking prices even further.

Best regards,

MikeG
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On 5/29/15, Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 Hello Listers

 I am starting to see a trend with Lunar and Martian meteorites, but
 especial with Lunar's. Some can be had for $300 per gram or less, or
 some times on ebay you can get a steal on some of the 1g plus sizes for
 less then $400 a gram. But again at the sub gram leave the price is
 still in the high $500 to $800 per gram which is expected at that size.

 My question is, is there new product on the market or has planataries
 shifted in value?

 Shawn Alan
 IMCA 1633
 ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html
 Website http://meteoritefalls.com

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[meteorite-list] Lunar Impact

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Hello Everyone,

As some of you may know, i've recently suffered from some minor
dain bramage and major physical damage--but I still remain to ask 
my often unimportant questions...
However, in this case, I pose some questions that were asked to
me to which I had no answers. Thus, I figured to ask the knowledgable
one's--You folks

1. Is there any evidence/photo's of meteorite impacts to the lunar 
   landing crafts that were left on the surface after our brief visits ?
   Also, are ground based telescopes capable of seeing these
   crafts ?

2. Can our lunar landing craft's be considered meteorites 
(in the sense of the definition) ?

Many thanks, John
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Impact

[Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list]

John, List,

Here are photos showing the landers 
and even footprint traces on the Moon:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1218958/Probe-photos-Apollo-l
anding-sites-reveal-man-DID-walk-Moon.html

24 photos here:
http://www.space.com/12796-photos-apollo-moon-landing-sites-lro.html
Lots of walking tracks and even a 
phone line are seen!

Suveyor 3 was visited by the crew of 
Apollo 12:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveyor_program
No holes are in evidence. Meteorite 
impacts are not more frequent on the 
Moon than they are on the Earth.

Here's a video:
http://www.space.com/10040-ep-3-survey-trip-surveyor-3.html

No ground-based telescope can see any 
of the landers, not even the Hubble can.
The smallest possible thing Hubble can 
see on the moon is about 328 feet across 
or the length of a football field. While 
an impressive feat of resolution, no Apollo 
spacecraft comes anywhere near that size. 
Every piece of man-made hardware is below 
the space telescope's resolution limit.

No, no hardware is a meteorite. They are 
all constructed by the Amazing Flying 
Monkeys of Planet Three!

Sterling Webb
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Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 10:25 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar Impact

Hello Everyone,

As some of you may know, i've recently suffered from some minor dain bramage
and major physical damage--but I still remain to ask my often unimportant
questions...
However, in this case, I pose some questions that were asked to me to which
I had no answers. Thus, I figured to ask the knowledgable one's--You folks

1. Is there any evidence/photo's of meteorite impacts to the lunar 
   landing crafts that were left on the surface after our brief visits ?
   Also, are ground based telescopes capable of seeing these
   crafts ?

2. Can our lunar landing craft's be considered meteorites 
(in the sense of the definition) ?

Many thanks, John
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[meteorite-list] Lunar Rocks Are First Direct Evidence of Collision That Formed Moon

[Paul H. via Meteorite-list]

Lunar Rocks Are First Direct Evidence of Collision 
That Formed Moon, National eographic, June 6, 2014.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/06/140605-earth-moon-theia-evidence-space-science/

Body that formed the Moon came from a different 
neighborhood. (The body that smacked into Earth 
has a distinctive elemental signature.) Ars Technica
http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/06/body-that-formed-the-moon-came-from-a-different-neighborhood/

Herwartz, D., A. Pack, B. Friedrichs, and A. Bischoff,
2014, Identification of the giant impactor Theia in lunar 
rocks. Science. vol. 344, no. 6188, pp. 1146-1150
DOI: 10.1126/science.1251117
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/344/6188/1146

Also, there is:

Four-billion-year-old rocks yield clues about Earth's 
earliest crust. ScienceDaily, University of Alberta
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/05/140529112057.htm
News360 at http://news360.com/article/241073278 ; and

Ancient rocks yield clues about Earth's earliest crust
by Bryan Alary, University of Alberta, May 28, 2014
http://news.ualberta.ca/newsarticles/2014/may/ancient-rocks-yield-clues-about-earths-earliest-crust

Reimink, J. R., T. Chacko, R. A. Stern, L. M. Heaman,
2014, Earth’s earliest evolved crust generated in an 
Iceland-like setting. Nature Geoscience. Published 
online May 25, 2014 10.1038/ngeo2170
http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/ngeo2170.html

Yours,

Paul H.
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[meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse recap

[Matson, Rob D.]

Hi Daniel,

The show was great from southern California. Even more impressive to me
than the proximity of Mars was how close Spica was to the Moon -- less
than 2 degrees to the right. So close, in fact, that it was hard to
see Spica until the eclipse was well underway. Once the eclipse was
total, I could also see the dim, 5.2-magnitude star HIP 66098 (76 Virginis)
only 0.5 degrees from the upper limb of the Moon.

--Rob

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Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 10:06 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New ebay listings with fake Moon/ Mars displays

Hello All,

For those lucky enough to be able to see it, that Lunar eclipse last night was 
fantastic, plus the added bonus of a very bright Mars nearby made even more 
visible by the darkened sky...WOW!

I have an alert on a couple new ebay listings. Some steelhorse1994
fake displays from 2011-2012 are being resold by someone. Unfortunately, he 
sold well over a 1000 of these and they will keep cropping up. It's too bad 
ebay did not have the spine to retroactively alert everyone he sold to. I 
dropped the seller a note but heard nothing back and the listings are still 
active at the time of this writing. So, I also reported it to ebay. Here are 
the links to the listings: 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MOON-ROCK-Lunar-Meteorite-NWA-4881-/261452325481?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3cdfc5e269

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARS-ROCK-A-Pieace-of-The-Mars-Meteorite-NWA-4925-/261452342487?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3cdfc624d7

Best regards,
Daniel

Daniel Noyes
Genuine Moon  Mars Meteorite Rocks
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse recap

[info]

Hi Rob,

Yes, I was marveling at the sudden appearance of those close proximity
stars. Here west of Vegas it was a nice night and the skies were clear
with a great view. Definitely was worth burning the midnight oil for...!


Best regards, 
Daniel

Daniel Noyes
Genuine Moon  Mars Meteorite Rocks
i...@moonmarsrocks.com
www.moonmarsrocks.com

 
 
 Original Message 
Subject: Lunar eclipse recap
From: Matson, Rob D. robert.d.mat...@leidos.com
Date: Tue, April 15, 2014 10:54 am
To: i...@moonmarsrocks.com i...@moonmarsrocks.com, Meteorite list
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Hi Daniel,

The show was great from southern California. Even more impressive to me
than the proximity of Mars was how close Spica was to the Moon -- less
than 2 degrees to the right. So close, in fact, that it was hard to
see Spica until the eclipse was well underway. Once the eclipse was
total, I could also see the dim, 5.2-magnitude star HIP 66098 (76
Virginis)
only 0.5 degrees from the upper limb of the Moon.

--Rob

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
i...@moonmarsrocks.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 10:06 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New ebay listings with fake Moon/ Mars
displays

Hello All,

For those lucky enough to be able to see it, that Lunar eclipse last
night was fantastic, plus the added bonus of a very bright Mars nearby
made even more visible by the darkened sky...WOW!

I have an alert on a couple new ebay listings. Some steelhorse1994
fake displays from 2011-2012 are being resold by someone. Unfortunately,
he sold well over a 1000 of these and they will keep cropping up. It's
too bad ebay did not have the spine to retroactively alert everyone he
sold to. I dropped the seller a note but heard nothing back and the
listings are still active at the time of this writing. So, I also
reported it to ebay. Here are the links to the listings: 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MOON-ROCK-Lunar-Meteorite-NWA-4881-/261452325481?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3cdfc5e269

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARS-ROCK-A-Pieace-of-The-Mars-Meteorite-NWA-4925-/261452342487?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3cdfc624d7

Best regards,
Daniel

Daniel Noyes
Genuine Moon  Mars Meteorite Rocks
i...@moonmarsrocks.com
www.moonmarsrocks.com
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[meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse composite

[Jim Wooddell]

Hi all, I created a composite picture from 8 hours of video from the 
Sentinel Skycam here in Parker, AZ.

It starts at 0300 ut.
It's a 'different' way to look at the eclipse!

http://pages.suddenlink.net/taenite/lunerE15.png

Enjoy!

Jim

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse recap

[Linton Rohr]

We watched up until mid-totality here in southern Utah, taking an 
occasional peek through my TV Ranger. I always enjoy seeing stars close to 
the moon, and got a preview of what was there by blocking out the 
still-bright moon with an overhanging roof beam. But I *really* enjoyed the 
close proximity of Mars, it's brilliant red tint complementing the coppery 
colors on Luna's blushed face. Beautiful! Watching the sky darken and fill 
up with infinite stars  is always fun, too. ;^)

Linton

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To: Matson, Rob D. robert.d.mat...@leidos.com; Meteorite list 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse recap



Hi Rob,

Yes, I was marveling at the sudden appearance of those close proximity
stars. Here west of Vegas it was a nice night and the skies were clear
with a great view. Definitely was worth burning the midnight oil for...!


Best regards,
Daniel

Daniel Noyes
Genuine Moon  Mars Meteorite Rocks
i...@moonmarsrocks.com
www.moonmarsrocks.com



 Original Message 
Subject: Lunar eclipse recap
From: Matson, Rob D. robert.d.mat...@leidos.com
Date: Tue, April 15, 2014 10:54 am
To: i...@moonmarsrocks.com i...@moonmarsrocks.com, Meteorite list
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Hi Daniel,

The show was great from southern California. Even more impressive to me
than the proximity of Mars was how close Spica was to the Moon -- less
than 2 degrees to the right. So close, in fact, that it was hard to
see Spica until the eclipse was well underway. Once the eclipse was
total, I could also see the dim, 5.2-magnitude star HIP 66098 (76
Virginis)
only 0.5 degrees from the upper limb of the Moon.

--Rob

-Original Message-
From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
i...@moonmarsrocks.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 10:06 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New ebay listings with fake Moon/ Mars
displays

Hello All,

For those lucky enough to be able to see it, that Lunar eclipse last
night was fantastic, plus the added bonus of a very bright Mars nearby
made even more visible by the darkened sky...WOW!


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[meteorite-list] lunar meteorite classification

[Francesco Moser]

Hello
Could someone explain me how are named the various type of lunar meteorite?
I know there are the follows, but I think some classifications like LUN-N
and LUN-G are obsolete.

LUN-A (anorthositic breccia)
LUN-B (mare basalt)
LUN-G (mare gabbros)
LUN-N (noritic braccia)
LUN-M (mingled breccia, basalt+anortite breccia)
LUN-K (KREEP rich basalt breccia)


Thanks a lot

x
Francesco


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[meteorite-list] Lunar - NWA 5000... CK3 from Hart, TX... CR2's, Ungrouped C2, Lots of Rare Goodies - AD

[Greg Hupé]

Hello All,

I hope this post finds you well and will be of interest to you... I have 
listed several rare and beautiful meteorites, all professionally prepared by 
one of the world's best meteorite cutters!


Please find here links to Nature's Vault to some some really wonderful 
items:


NWA 5000 - the 'Mona Lisa' of lunar meteorites!
(all slices are polished on both sides)
http://www.naturesvault.net/meteorites/nwa5000.html

Hart, TX - CK3
http://www.naturesvault.net/meteorites/hart.html

NWA 7821 - Ungrouped C2
http://www.naturesvault.net/meteorites/nwa7821.html

NWA 7502 - CR2
http://www.naturesvault.net/meteorites/nwa7502.html

If you are interested in any other meteorites I have listed on Nature's 
Vault, please see here:

http://www.naturesvault.net/meteorites.html

I hope you enjoy what I have to offer, Thank You for looking!

Best Regards,
Greg


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The Hupé Collection
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www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site)
NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest  eBay)
http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault
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[meteorite-list] Lunar Meteorite Quiz - How big an object with velocity to get a new Lunar Meteorite to Earth?

[drtanuki]

Dear List,
  A big thank you in advance! This should cover most of the experts in the 
field...
Since there are many on this list with advanced degrees and also novices I pose 
this question.- How large of diameter, an impact object, with what velocity 
would it take to get a new Lunar Meteorite to Earth and what is the fastest or 
average transit time? Thanks to those that are entertained!  Invited are some 
of the worlds top experts for an answer or re-framing of the question. 
Indulge. Dirk Ross...Tokyo

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Meteorite Quiz - How big an object with velocity to get a new Lunar Meteorite to Earth?

[drtanuki]

Dear Dr. Bunch,  Thank you for refining the question and clarification. Sorry I 
overlooked your address on the to address list.  Have a safe trip.  Dirk 
Ross...Tokyo

From: Ted Bunch tbe...@cableone.net
To: drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com 
Sent: Monday, March 3, 2014 3:41 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Meteorite Quiz - How big an object with 
velocity to get a new Lunar Meteorite to Earth?


I have to go on a trip in a few minutes, but an additional consideration 
to  mass, ejection V  angle, etc. is the consideration of orbital 
mechanics of an ejected mass as to whether it is reaches a stable orbit, 
one that ultimately decays into earth or one that may escape the 
gravitational effects of the Earth-moon system.

Look up Lagrangian points,

Ted


On 3/2/14 3:50 AM, drtanuki wrote:
 Dear List,
    A big thank you in advance! This should cover most of the experts in the 
field...
 Since there are many on this list with advanced degrees and also novices I 
 pose this question.- How large of diameter, an impact object, with what 
 velocity would it take to get a new Lunar Meteorite to Earth and what is the 
 fastest or average transit time? Thanks to those that are entertained!  
 Invited are some of the worlds top experts for an answer or re-framing of 
 the question. Indulge. Dirk Ross...Tokyo

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Meteorite Quiz - How big an object with velocity to get a new Lunar Meteorite to Earth?

[drtanuki]

List,
  For those that are interested in transit times and lunar impacts that result 
in Lunar Meteorites here on Earth, Dr. Randy Korotev has written a very good 
summary on this topic and his website answers the basic questions posed-
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/

Some of the questions answered are-
How Did Lunar Meteorites Get Here?
Do All Lunar Meteorites Come from One Big Impact on the Moon?
Does It Take a Big Impact to Launch
a Lunar Meteoroid?
and many more.  Take a read of his website written for the Washington 
University in St. Louis. Thank you Dr. Korotev!

Dirk Ross...Tokyo 

P.S. The reason I posed the question in the first place was because of the 
recent announcement about a large lunar impact recorded on the Moon-
http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2014/02/biggest-observed-meteorite-impact-hits.html

It would be so cool if something was launched from this impact and it makes it 
here to the Earth in the coming years!


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From: drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com
To: Ted Bunch tbe...@cableone.net; meteorite-list 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, March 3, 2014 3:47 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Meteorite Quiz - How big an object with
velocity to get a new Lunar Meteorite to Earth?

Dear Dr. Bunch,  Thank you for refining the question and clarification. Sorry I 
overlooked your address on the to address list.  Have a safe trip.  Dirk 
Ross...Tokyo

From: Ted Bunch tbe...@cableone.net
To: drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com 
Sent: Monday, March 3, 2014 3:41 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Meteorite Quiz - How big an object with 
velocity to get a new Lunar Meteorite to Earth?


I have to go on a trip in a few minutes, but an additional consideration 
to  mass, ejection V  angle, etc. is the consideration of orbital 
mechanics of an ejected mass as to whether it is reaches a stable orbit, 
one that ultimately decays into earth or one that may escape the 
gravitational effects of the Earth-moon system.

Look up Lagrangian points,

Ted


On 3/2/14 3:50 AM, drtanuki wrote:
 Dear List,
    A big thank you in advance! This should cover most of the experts in the 
field...
 Since there are many on this list with advanced degrees and also novices I 
 pose this question.- How large of diameter, an impact object, with what 
 velocity would it take to get a new Lunar Meteorite to Earth and what is the 
 fastest or average transit time? Thanks to those that are entertained!  
 Invited are some of the worlds top experts for an answer or re-framing of 
 the question. Indulge. Dirk Ross...Tokyo

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorite casts?

[Adam Hupe]

Actually, that is Dr. Brownlee, the lead scientist for the NASA Stardust 
mission holding the real NWA 5000 main mass over his head the same day it 
arrived in the U.S.  This image 
lends scale to this massive Moon rock!

Adam



- Original Message -
From: Raymond Borges borgesraym...@gmail.com
To: Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorite casts?

Wow, that's just great!
Don't think I would have held the real meteorite over my head like
that though, maybe the cast.


Raymond Borges
MSCS/BSCpE
SREB Fellow
CS Ph.D. Student
Lane Department of CS/EE
West Virginia University



On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net wrote:
 Hello Raymond,

 Here is a link to the photo gallery on the NWA 5000 web site, you will see
 the only replica of it made.
 http://www.themeteoritesite.com/gallery.html

 Best Regards,
 Greg

 
 Greg Hupé
 The Hupé Collection
 gmh...@centurylink.net
 www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog  Reference Site)
 www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site)
 NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest  eBay)
 http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault
 http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault
 IMCA 3163
 
 Click here for my current eBay auctions:
 http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault



 -Original Message- From: Raymond Borges
 Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 3:25 PM
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorite casts?


 Hello!

 Anyone know of any Lunar meteorite casts in existence?
 I know of only 2 Mars meteorite casts, NWA 1195 and DaG 735.
 And also, wouldn't it be nice if there was a nice NWA 7325 cast, with
 that spectacular green fusion crust?

 Raymond Borges
 spacerocks.org
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[meteorite-list] Lunar meteorite casts?

[Raymond Borges]

Hello!

Anyone know of any Lunar meteorite casts in existence?
I know of only 2 Mars meteorite casts, NWA 1195 and DaG 735.
And also, wouldn't it be nice if there was a nice NWA 7325 cast, with
that spectacular green fusion crust?

Raymond Borges
spacerocks.org
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorite casts?

[Thomas Kurtz]

Hi Raymond, list,

there are casts for the Lunar meteorite SaU 300. I still have a form of this 
individual, so some more casts could be made.

Thomas Kurtz, 
Weil der Stadt, Germany


 Gesendet: Montag, 11. November 2013 um 21:25 Uhr
 Von: Raymond Borges borgesraym...@gmail.com
 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Betreff: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorite casts?

 Hello!
 
 Anyone know of any Lunar meteorite casts in existence?
 I know of only 2 Mars meteorite casts, NWA 1195 and DaG 735.
 And also, wouldn't it be nice if there was a nice NWA 7325 cast, with
 that spectacular green fusion crust?
 
 Raymond Borges
 spacerocks.org
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorite casts?

[Greg Hupé]

Hello Raymond,

Here is a link to the photo gallery on the NWA 5000 web site, you will see 
the only replica of it made.

http://www.themeteoritesite.com/gallery.html

Best Regards,
Greg


Greg Hupé
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gmh...@centurylink.net
www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog  Reference Site)
www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site)
NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest  eBay)
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-Original Message- 
From: Raymond Borges

Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 3:25 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorite casts?

Hello!

Anyone know of any Lunar meteorite casts in existence?
I know of only 2 Mars meteorite casts, NWA 1195 and DaG 735.
And also, wouldn't it be nice if there was a nice NWA 7325 cast, with
that spectacular green fusion crust?

Raymond Borges
spacerocks.org
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorite casts?

[Raymond Borges]

Wow, that's just great!
Don't think I would have held the real meteorite over my head like
that though, maybe the cast.


Raymond Borges
MSCS/BSCpE
SREB Fellow
CS Ph.D. Student
Lane Department of CS/EE
West Virginia University


On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net wrote:
 Hello Raymond,

 Here is a link to the photo gallery on the NWA 5000 web site, you will see
 the only replica of it made.
 http://www.themeteoritesite.com/gallery.html

 Best Regards,
 Greg

 
 Greg Hupé
 The Hupé Collection
 gmh...@centurylink.net
 www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog  Reference Site)
 www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site)
 NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest  eBay)
 http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault
 http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault
 IMCA 3163
 
 Click here for my current eBay auctions:
 http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault



 -Original Message- From: Raymond Borges
 Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 3:25 PM
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorite casts?


 Hello!

 Anyone know of any Lunar meteorite casts in existence?
 I know of only 2 Mars meteorite casts, NWA 1195 and DaG 735.
 And also, wouldn't it be nice if there was a nice NWA 7325 cast, with
 that spectacular green fusion crust?

 Raymond Borges
 spacerocks.org
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[meteorite-list] Lunar Meteorite Beer

[Galactic Stone Ironworks]

To go along with your Chelyabinsk perfume

http://www.nbcnews.com/science/bartender-beer-made-moon-dust-spacesuit-koozie-please-8C11330563

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[meteorite-list] Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Sees GRAIL's Explosive Farewell

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2013-103  

Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Sees GRAIL's Explosive Farewell
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
March 19, 2013

Many spacecraft just fade away, drifting silently through space after
their mission is over, but not GRAIL. NASA's twin GRAIL (Gravity
Recovery and Interior Laboratory) spacecraft went out in a blaze of
glory on Dec. 17, 2012, when they were intentionally crashed into a
mountain near the moon's north pole.

The successful mission to study the moon's interior took the plunge to
get one last bit of science: with the spacecraft kicking up a cloud of
dust and gas with each impact, researchers hoped to discover more about
the moon's composition. However, with the moon about 380,000 kilometers
(over 236,000 miles) away from Earth, the impact plumes would be
difficult to observe from here. Fortunately, GRAIL had company. NASA's
Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) is orbiting the moon as well, busily
making high-resolution maps of the lunar surface. With just three weeks
notice, the LRO team scrambled to get their orbiter in the right place
at the right time to witness GRAIL's fiery finale.

We were informed by the GRAIL team about three weeks prior to the
impact exactly where the impact site would be, said LRO Project
Scientist John Keller of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in
Greenbelt, Md. The GRAIL team's focus was on obtaining the
highest-resolution gravity measurements possible from the last few
orbits of the GRAIL spacecraft, which led to uncertainty in the ultimate
impact site until relatively late.

LRO was only about 100 miles (160 kilometers) from the lunar surface at
the time of the impact, and variations in gravity from massive features
like lunar mountains tugged on the spacecraft, altering its orbit.

The site was in shadow at the time of the impact, so the LRO team had to
wait until the plumes rose high enough to be in sunlight before making
the observation. The Lyman Alpha Mapping Project (LAMP), an ultraviolet
imaging spectrograph on board the spacecraft, saw mercury and
enhancements of atomic hydrogen in the plume.

The mercury observation is consistent with what the LRO team saw from
the LCROSS impact in October 2009, said Keller. LCROSS (Lunar CRater
Observation and Sensing Satellite) saw significant amounts of mercury,
but the LCROSS site was at the bottom of the moon's Cabeus crater, which
hasn't seen sunlight for more than a billion years and is therefore
extremely cold.

LRO's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera was able to make an image of
the craters from the GRAIL impacts despite their relatively small size.

The two spacecraft were relatively small -- cubes about the size of a
washing machine with a mass of about 200 kilograms (440 pounds) each at
the time of impact. The spacecraft were traveling about 3,800 mph (6,100
kilometers per hour) when they hit the surface.

Both craters are relatively small, perhaps 4 to 6 meters (about 13 to
20 feet) in diameter and both have faint, dark, ejecta patterns, which
is unusual, said Mark Robinson, LROC principal investigator at Arizona
State University's School of Earth and Space Sciences, Tempe, Ariz.
Fresh impact craters on the moon are typically bright, but these may be
dark due to spacecraft material being mixed with the ejecta.

Both impact sites lie on the southern slope of an unnamed massif
[mountain] that lies south of the crater Mouchez and northeast of the
crater Philolaus, said Robinson. The massif stands as much as 2,500
meters [about 8,202 feet] above the surrounding plains. The impact sites
are at an elevation of about 700 meters [around 2,296 feet] and 1,000
meters [3,281 feet], respectively, about 500 to 800 meters
[approximately 1,640 to 2,625 feet] below the summit. The two impact
craters are about 2,200 meters [roughly 7,218 feet] apart. GRAIL B
[renamed Flow] impacted about 30 seconds after GRAIL A [Ebb] at a site
to the west and north of GRAIL A.

Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter complemented the GRAIL mission in other
ways as well. LRO's Diviner lunar radiometer observed the impact site
and confirmed that the amount of heating of the surface there by the
relatively small GRAIL spacecraft was within expectations. LRO's Lunar
Orbiter Laser Altimeter (LOLA) instrument bounced laser pulses off the
surface to build up a precise map of the lunar terrain, including the
three-dimensional structure of features like mountains and craters.

Combining the LRO LOLA topography map with GRAIL's gravity map yields
some very interesting results, said Keller. You expect that areas with
mountains will have a little stronger gravity, while features like
craters will have a little less. However, when you subtract out the
topography, you get another map that reveals gravity differences that
are not tied to the surface. It gives insight into structures deeper in
the moon's interior.

JPL manages the GRAIL mission for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in
Washington. GRAIL is part of the 

Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Sees GRAIL's Explosive Farewell

[Jodie Reynolds]

Hello Ron,

I hereby dub the heretofore unnamed feature where GRAIL A rests as:

Mount Ebbrest

and where GRAIL B rests as:

Massif Flower


Make it so.

--- Jodie

Tuesday, March 19, 2013, 11:41:35 AM, you wrote:


 http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2013-103  

[CLIP!]

 Both impact sites lie on the southern slope of an unnamed massif
 [mountain] that lies south of the crater Mouchez and northeast of the
 crater Philolaus, said Robinson. The massif stands as much as 2,500
 meters [about 8,202 feet] above the surrounding plains. The impact sites
 are at an elevation of about 700 meters [around 2,296 feet] and 1,000
 meters [3,281 feet], respectively, about 500 to 800 meters
 [approximately 1,640 to 2,625 feet] below the summit. The two impact
 craters are about 2,200 meters [roughly 7,218 feet] apart. GRAIL B
 [renamed Flow] impacted about 30 seconds after GRAIL A [Ebb] at a site
 to the west and north of GRAIL A.

[CLIP!]

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[meteorite-list] Lunar Meteorite Joins Herbie Hancock’s Martian Rock Sale

[Tom Randall]

http://buswk.co/QAEc73

Regards!

Tom
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[meteorite-list] Lunar meteorite samples help explain early bonnbardment in the inner solar system

[Shawn Alan]

Hello Listers and Lunar Junkies :)

I came across this article about Lunar meteorites and I have to say its a good 
read on explaining the conditions the inner solar system might have gone 
through with the help of Lunar meteorite samples. Now all we need is to have a 
first Lunar meteorite fall and it has be happen around NYC :) preferably 
Brooklyn while I am walking home from the subway :)

Shawn Alan
IMCA 1633
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http://www.meteoritefalls.com/
 
 AN EXTENDED EPISODE OF EARLY BOMBARDMENT IN THE INNER SOLAR SYSTEM:
EVIDENCE FROM LUNAR SAMPLES AND METEORITES. 
M. D. Norman1,2 and A. A. Nemchin3,1
Research School of Earth Sciences, Australian National University, Canberra ACT 
0200 Australia(marc.nor...@anu.edu.au), 
3Department of Applied Geology, Curtin University of Technology, Perth WA 
6845Australia (a.nemc...@curtin.edu.au).
 
 Introduction: 
A spike in the flux of asteroid-sizebodies traversing the inner Solar System 
and impacting
the terrestrial planets at 3.9 Ga has become a keystone
of recent models describing planetary dynamics [1],
the chronology of planetary surfaces [2] and assessments
of the potential habitability of early terrestrial
environments [3,4]. Lunar samples provided the initial
observational data that motivated this idea [5, 6], and
the lunar cratering record now serves as a reference
frame for the cratering chronology of Mars and inner
solar system [7].
The absence of lunar impact melt breccias with ages
between ~4.4 and 3.9 Ga has long been cited as evidence
favoring a relatively low average impact flux
during the interval between planetary accretion and the
formation of many if not all of the lunar basins during
a relatively brief episoce of late heavy bombardment
from ~3.8 to 4.0 Ga [3]. However, large impact events
on the Moon with ages ranging from 4.1-4.3 Ga have
been inferred from recent dating of lunar zircons [8, 9]
from previously unrecognized varieties of lunar impact
melt breccias [10, 11], from clasts in fragmental lunar
breccias [12] and from metamorphic lunar breccias
(granulites) [13]. Here we summarize the lunar sample
evidence for pre-cataclysm (i.e. older than 3.9 Ga)
impact events on the Moon, and suggest that the basinforming
epoch likely spanned a significantly longer
period of time than implied by the Cataclysm Hypothesis.
 
 
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/earlymars2012/pdf/7051.pdf
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[meteorite-list] Lunar Lander Firing Up For Touchdown

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.esa.int/esaHS/SEMSEF7YBZG_index_0.html

Lunar lander firing up for touchdown
European Space Agecny
5 March 2012

Europe's ambition of touching down at the Moon's south pole by 2018 has
been boosted by recent test firings of the craft's thrusters. The robot
lander will prove new techniques for sending humans to the Moon and
assess lunar hazards.
 
With no atmosphere on the Moon, Lunar Lander cannot rely on parachutes
to slow its descent. Instead, the craft will need to fire its engines in
a rather unconventional way.

One of these thrusters was recently put through its paces at Astrium's
specialised facility in Lampoldshausen, Germany.

The test chamber was configured to reproduce the vacuum and temperatures
that Lunar Lander will face on its way down to the Moon's surface.  
 
A complete descent and touchdown was simulated, with the thruster firing
in a series of short bursts, reaching a white-hot 1100ºC.

According to ESA's Berengere Houdou, the results are positive: The
thruster operations were smooth and stable, with great performance, even
under the stress of Lunar Lander's operating conditions.
 
To save the cost of developing a new engine, ESA engineers looked to the
tried-and-tested thrusters of Europe's proven Automated Transfer Vehicle
(ATV) space ferry.

ATV has already completed two fully automated missions to the
International Space Station, delivering supplies and boosting the
complex to a higher orbit.

The third ATV is set for launch this month.

But landing on the Moon is very different from docking with a space
station. Before these tests, it was unclear whether the thrusters would
be suitable for a lunar voyage.

Ahead of landing, the craft will orbit the Moon some 100 km above the
surface. To descend to the Moon's southern pole, central engines will
fire for 10 minutes as the ATV thrusters steer the spacecraft to a safe
landing.

There is no GPS for the Moon, so Lunar Lander will navigate by digitally
imaging the surface and recognising features.

A laser will complete the picture to avoid hazards such as boulders and
craters at the target site.

Lunar Lander's powerful processor will make intelligent decisions to
search for a safe area and touch down without human help. European
technology will be used throughout.

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[meteorite-list] Lunar Impacts

[dorifry]

The study of lunar zircons helps establish the dates of impact craters.

http://www.sciencealert.com.au/news/20122301-23036-2.html


Meteorites definitely struck Moon Curtin University
 Tuesday, 24 January 2012

 The presence of zircon in rocks collected during the Apollo missions 
provides unequivocal evidence that meteorites have collided with our Moon.

 Image: NASA/JPL
 Research led by Curtin University geologists has uncovered a wealth of 
new evidence in the mineral zircon from lunar rock samples recovered during 
NASA's Apollo missions, revealing indisputable proof of meteorite collisions 
on the Moon.


 Headed by microstructural geology experts Dr Nick Timms and Professor 
Steven Reddy of the Western Australian School of Mines (WASM), the study 
documents the discovery of impact-related shock features in lunar zircon, 
giving scientists a new conceptual framework to explain the history and 
timing of meteorite impact events in our solar system.


 Dr Timms said the discovery was made while looking more closely at 
lunar zircon mineral grains, with the use of microscopy facilities at 
Curtin, and finding the presence of preserved microscopic details, known as 
planar deformation features (PDFs), as well as micro-twins (impact 
indicators), which are only ever produced by large-scale meteorite impacts.


 This research is the first to report the presence of PDFs and 
micro-twins in lunar zircon, which provide unequivocal evidence of the 
immense pressures that occur during an impact event, Dr Timms said.


 This research also provides a new explanation of how these features 
form. As shock waves pass through a rock, fractions of a second after a 
meteorite impact, these features form like microscopic crumple zones which 
are caused by directional differences in zircon's elasticity.


 Dr Timms said the research, which characterises the impact shock 
features, would provide a new framework for scientists to interpret 
impact-related data.


 The new conceptual framework allows lunar scientists to recognise 
whether complex zircon grains can be explained by a single impact event, or 
require more than one impact event, he said.


 Furthermore, our new approach allows us to recognise impact-related 
features in zircon in lunar and terrestrial rocks that would otherwise be 
overlooked or difficult to find.


 This helps us to overcome one of the major problems with studying the 
impact history of the Earth, as direct evidence of impacts, such as craters, 
become eroded and destroyed through processes of plate tectonics, so much so 
that none are preserved from the earliest periods of the Earth's history.


 Dr Timms said the research was a step closer to the major scientific 
goal of establishing the absolute timing of meteorite impact events on the 
Moon, and consequently, the inner solar system.


 The current paradigm for the early impact history of our solar system 
stems from studies of lunar rocks and involves a period of intense impact 
events around 3.9 billion years ago, known as the 'Late Heavy Bombardment', 
he said.


 Recent dating of grains of the mineral zircon in lunar samples by the 
research group at Curtin shows a range of ages that challenges this view and 
we anticipate the new framework will help us to test if this bombardment is 
recorded in similar age zircon grains on Earth.


 This research was the result of a collaborative effort between the 
Curtin research group in Applied Geology, Dr Nick Timms, Professor Steven 
Reddy, Associate Professor Alexander Nemchin, Dr Marion Grange and Professor 
Bob Pidgeon, as well as Dr Rob Hart from the Materials Characterisation 
Group in Curtin Applied Physics and Dr Dave Healy at the University of 
Aberdeen, UK.


 The Curtin research group in Applied Geology is a pioneer in its field 
and is currently leading the world in the application of quantitative 
microstructural techniques to zircon research. In 2006, they also made the 
discovery that zircon could deform in the Earth's crust and that the 
structures formed in this deformation could help modify the geochemistry of 
zircon.


 The group's most recent paper, Resolution of impact-related 
microstructures in lunar zircon: A shock deformation mechanism map, is 
published in the internationally esteemed journal, Meteoritics and Planetary 
Science.




Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth  Space Museum 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse Jim Shorten IMCA #6204

[Graham Ensor]

Hi Jim,

Very good of the moon and Earth to position themselves perfectly for
such a magnificent shot down past the OK Corral.

Was strolling down there just over a year ago.

Cheers,

Graham

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 6:44 AM, John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net wrote:
 Apologies once again Jim and all.
 The link seems to be completely broken. Here are the individual images

 Cheers
 John

 http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh149/Johnno_ACH/JimS/eclipse2.jpg
 http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh149/Johnno_ACH/JimS/eclipse1.jpg
 http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh149/Johnno_ACH/JimS/eclipse3.jpg
 http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh149/Johnno_ACH/JimS/eclipse4.jpg
 http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh149/Johnno_ACH/JimS/eclipse5.jpg


 G'Day List
 Just helping out a friend.

 --
 Hi John,  I'm having a hard time getting this photo I took of the lunar
 Eclipse on the Met List.  I'd love to share.  If you could get it on the
 list for me I'd appreciate it very much.

 best wishes,  Jim Shorten  IMCA #6204

 Looking West down Allen Street, Tombstone, Arizona

 


 Cheers
 John Cabassi
 IMCA # 2125

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[meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse Jim Shorten IMCA #6204

[John.L.Cabassi]

G'Day List
Just helping out a friend.  

--
Hi John,  I'm having a hard time getting this photo I took of the lunar
Eclipse on the Met List.  I'd love to share.  If you could get it on the
list for me I'd appreciate it very much.   
 
best wishes,  Jim Shorten  IMCA #6204

Looking West down Allen Street, Tombstone, Arizona


http://s255.photobucket.com/albums/hh149/Johnno_ACH/Jim%20Shorten/?actio
n=viewcurrent=7d77ed15.pbw



---


Cheers
John Cabassi
IMCA # 2125

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse Jim Shorten IMCA #6204

[John.L.Cabassi]

Sorry for the double post. Trying to correct the broken link

http://s255.photobucket.com/albums/hh149/Johnno_ACH/Jim%20Shorten/?actio
n=viewcurrent=7d77ed15.pbw

-Original Message-
From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
John.L.Cabassi
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 9:58 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: theemerald...@aol.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse Jim Shorten IMCA #6204


G'Day List
Just helping out a friend.  

--
Hi John,  I'm having a hard time getting this photo I took of the lunar
Eclipse on the Met List.  I'd love to share.  If you could get it on the
list for me I'd appreciate it very much.   
 
best wishes,  Jim Shorten  IMCA #6204

Looking West down Allen Street, Tombstone, Arizona


http://s255.photobucket.com/albums/hh149/Johnno_ACH/Jim%20Shorten/?actio
n=viewcurrent=7d77ed15.pbw



---


Cheers
John Cabassi
IMCA # 2125

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse Jim Shorten IMCA #6204

[John.L.Cabassi]

Sorry for the double post. Trying to correct the broken link

http://s255.photobucket.com/albums/hh149/Johnno_ACH/JimS/?action=viewcu
rrent=7d77ed15.pbw

-Original Message-
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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
John.L.Cabassi
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 9:58 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: theemerald...@aol.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse Jim Shorten IMCA #6204


G'Day List
Just helping out a friend.  

--
Hi John,  I'm having a hard time getting this photo I took of the lunar
Eclipse on the Met List.  I'd love to share.  If you could get it on the
list for me I'd appreciate it very much.   
 
best wishes,  Jim Shorten  IMCA #6204

Looking West down Allen Street, Tombstone, Arizona


http://s255.photobucket.com/albums/hh149/Johnno_ACH/Jim%20Shorten/?actio
n=viewcurrent=7d77ed15.pbw



---


Cheers
John Cabassi
IMCA # 2125

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse Jim Shorten IMCA #6204

[John.L.Cabassi]

Apologies once again Jim and all.
The link seems to be completely broken. Here are the individual images

Cheers
John

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh149/Johnno_ACH/JimS/eclipse2.jpg
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh149/Johnno_ACH/JimS/eclipse1.jpg
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh149/Johnno_ACH/JimS/eclipse3.jpg
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh149/Johnno_ACH/JimS/eclipse4.jpg
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh149/Johnno_ACH/JimS/eclipse5.jpg


G'Day List
Just helping out a friend.  

--
Hi John,  I'm having a hard time getting this photo I took of the lunar
Eclipse on the Met List.  I'd love to share.  If you could get it on the
list for me I'd appreciate it very much.   
 
best wishes,  Jim Shorten  IMCA #6204

Looking West down Allen Street, Tombstone, Arizona




Cheers
John Cabassi
IMCA # 2125

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[meteorite-list] Lunar Shatter Cone

[dorifry]

Here's a 53.5 pound lunar shatter cone from the Montrose, Colorado lunar 
strewnfield:


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lunar-Shatter-Cone-/150712542515?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item23172ae533

Found in Montrose County Colorado - - Montrose Lunar Shartter Cone (Luna 
Rose).

Elemetal Chemistries in PPM'S from XRF Analysis:
Au (-10), Pt (31), Ag (-8), Pd (-9), Fe (17.ok), Mo (5), Zr (43), Sr (444), 
Rb (10), Th (9), Pb (19), Zn (39), Cu (290), Co (155), Mn (1137), Ba (6871), 
Cs (372)
This is an uncut piece weighing 53.5 lbs (aprox 24,000 grams). Shows 
ablative thumb prints. aerodynamic , rounded leading edges, taper trailing 
edges, heat bubbles, veining, and fissures.
Please email with any questions. Buyer to pay shipping or local pickup 
availble.

--
My buddy emailed the seller with some incisive questions, got a noncommittal 
answer, said he was selling it for a friend.


Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth  Space Museum 


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[meteorite-list] Lunar Shatter Cone

[Paul Gessler]

If you look at the description he calls it a “SHA(R)TTER CONE” which is 
actually closer to what it really is.

Turns out there is some truth in advertising.

Paul G 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Shatter Cone

[dorifry]

 From the Urban Dictionary:



 1. sharter
One who sharts (soils one's pants while simply intending to fart).


 2. sharter
to shart oneself. to try to fart and accidentally shit oneself. the 
person committing the act of sharting.



Related: shartastical, shartariffic, shartpro

Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth  Space Museum

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Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 4:55 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar Shatter Cone


If you look at the description he calls it a “SHA(R)TTER CONE” which is 
actually closer to what it really is.

Turns out there is some truth in advertising.

Paul G
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[meteorite-list] “Lunar Stratigraphy and Sedimentology” Now Online

[Paul H.]

Dear Friends,

The book, “Lunar Stratigraphy and Sedimentology” is
now available online. The citation for it is:

Lindsay, J. F., 1976,  Lunar Stratigraphy and Sedimentology, 
Developments in solar system- and space science no. 3,
Elsevier, Amsterdam ; New York, 302 pp.

It can found at:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/publications/books/lunar_stratigraphy/

It can be download as a PDF file from:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/publications/books/lunar_stratigraphy/book.pdf

Best wishes,

Paul H.
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[meteorite-list] Lunar and Apollo Meteorites

[almitt2]

The Apollo program which brought back some 840 lbs of material or about 
7 times the amount of found lunar meteorites.


The average weight of a lunar meteorite is 382.895 grams. However if 
you subtract the two largest lunar meteorites which weigh about half 
the total of all found lunar meteorites there is an average weight of 
210.82 grams. One could actually subtract a few more large specimens 
and the average weight would be down in the 150 average gram range.


So your average lunar meteorite will or should weight from 150 to 400 
grams average. You still have to keep an eye out for the big guys 
though. Before 1997 only about 10 or 12 lunar meteorites were known. 
From 1997 after DAG 262 was found, till 2010 a total of 54 specimens 
were located which is an average of four per year. Most of these were 
located in basically one continent.


Of the lunar types there are: feldspathic breccia types (most common 
37), mafic breccia types (3), mingled breccias (16), and the mare 
bassalts (10). Or about 66 unique specimens not paired.


Keep in mind my figures could be off or now outdated. I added all these 
up in about an hours time. A good reference on lunar meteorites 
continues to be: Washington University in St. Louis.


http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/moon_meteorites_list_alpha.htm

All my best!

--AL Mitterling

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar and Apollo Meteorites

[Becky and Kirk]

Great stuff---thanks Al

Kirk.:-)
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To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 3:11 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar and Apollo Meteorites


The Apollo program which brought back some 840 lbs of material or about 7 
times the amount of found lunar meteorites.


The average weight of a lunar meteorite is 382.895 grams. However if you 
subtract the two largest lunar meteorites which weigh about half the total 
of all found lunar meteorites there is an average weight of 210.82 grams. 
One could actually subtract a few more large specimens and the average 
weight would be down in the 150 average gram range.


So your average lunar meteorite will or should weight from 150 to 400 
grams average. You still have to keep an eye out for the big guys though. 
Before 1997 only about 10 or 12 lunar meteorites were known. From 1997 
after DAG 262 was found, till 2010 a total of 54 specimens were located 
which is an average of four per year. Most of these were located in 
basically one continent.


Of the lunar types there are: feldspathic breccia types (most common 37), 
mafic breccia types (3), mingled breccias (16), and the mare bassalts 
(10). Or about 66 unique specimens not paired.


Keep in mind my figures could be off or now outdated. I added all these up 
in about an hours time. A good reference on lunar meteorites continues to 
be: Washington University in St. Louis.


http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/moon_meteorites_list_alpha.htm

All my best!

--AL Mitterling

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[meteorite-list] Lunar or nice earthrock

[Said Haddany]

Hi list,
can anyone help please and see if he can recognize what this might be ?
http://s947.photobucket.com/albums/ad313/SaidHaddany/?action=viewcurrent=sample.jpg
thank you for your help

  Said Haddany
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar or nice earthrock

[Michael Gilmer]

Hi Said,

I don't know what it is, but I a customer of mine sent me a small
walnut-sized stone to cut for him.  The person who sold it to him said
it was an unclassified possible CV3.  When I cut it open, it looked
exactly like the specimen in your photo.  I don't know what it was,
but it was not a CV3.  It had a hard, glassy texture to it.  He was
supposed to get it analyzed, but I never heard what the results were.

Best regards,

MikeG
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 can anyone help please and see if he can recognize what this might be ?
 http://s947.photobucket.com/albums/ad313/SaidHaddany/?action=viewcurrent=sample.jpg
 thank you for your help

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar or nice earthrock

[bill kies]

It looks like the Mendota wrong.


 Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 11:50:37 -0700
 From: mfcollec...@yahoo.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar or nice earthrock
 
 Hi list,
 can anyone help please and see if he can recognize what this might be ?
 http://s947.photobucket.com/albums/ad313/SaidHaddany/?action=viewcurrent=sample.jpg
 thank you for your help
 
 Said Haddany
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[meteorite-list] Lunar and Martian dealers

[Bill Hall]

I have a new Rock and Gem store in Bend Oregon, selling
crystals,meteorites,jewelry, and am offering Lunar and Martian samples
to my customers. I need a dealer who will furnish me descent stones at
fair wholesale prices. I will need pieces big enough to put into a
jewelry setting, ring or pendant. can you give me some idea what is
out there and the current market and wholesale prices.

I'm also interested in crystals, gemstones, mineral specimens

You may e-mail me off list at meteoritics at gmail.com or call me 541-419-2210

Thanks,
   Bill Hall
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[meteorite-list] Lunar and Mars

[Dave Myers]

Good after noon Everyone!

Is there any Hardness data for each of the different Lunar and Mars meteorites 
and even for all the different typs of achondrites,

HED,Eucrites, Aubrites ect.


Thanks for any info.

Dave


  
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[meteorite-list] Lunar And Planetary Conference Highlights Solar System Evolution

[Ron Baalke]

Feb. 25, 2011

Trent Perrotto 
Headquarters, Washington   
202-358-0321 
trent.j.perro...@nasa.gov 

William Jeffs
Johnson Space Center, Houston 
281-483-5111 
william.p.je...@nasa.gov 

Julie Tygielski 
Lunar and Planetary Institute, Houston 
281-486-2122 
tygiel...@lpi.usra.edu 

MEDIA ADVISORY: M11-038

LUNAR AND PLANETARY CONFERENCE HIGHLIGHTS SOLAR SYSTEM EVOLUTION

HOUSTON -- NASA researchers and other scientists will present findings 
that provide new insights into the evolution of the solar system 
during the 42nd annual Lunar and Planetary Science Conference. 

The conference will run March 7-11 at the Woodlands Waterway Marriott 
Hotel and Convention Center, 1601 Lake Robbins Drive, The Woodlands, 
Texas. 

Key events include the unveiling of future planetary science strategy; 
early science results from a Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency 
mission, called Hayabusa, that returned the first particle samples 
from an asteroid; presentations about the recent comet Hartley 2 
flyby; and the upcoming MESSENGER mission, the first spacecraft to 
orbit Mercury. 

The conference also will include a briefing about the Planetary 
Decadal Survey at 5:30 p.m. CST on March 7. The survey is a strategy 
released by the National Research Council in Washington to prioritize 
missions, research areas and observations ten or more years into the 
future. The briefing's featured speaker will be Steve Squyres of 
Cornell University. He is the survey's chair and principal 
investigator for NASA's Mars Exploration Rovers. 

News media representatives interested in registering or obtaining more 
information should visit: 

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2011/ 

The conference is hosted by the Lunar and Planetary Institute in 
Houston. The institute is managed by the Universities Space Research 
Association, a national, nonprofit consortium of universities 
chartered in 1969 by the National Academy of Sciences at NASA's 
request. 

For information about NASA and agency programs, visit: 

http://www.nasa.gov 

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[meteorite-list] Lunar Mars boxes - emergency sale AD

[Marcin Cimala]

Hi
I have for sale MartinStefan small mars and lunar boxes. (specimen size 
around 10mg)


Im looking for someone who will buy them all from me at a purchase price.
They are absolutelly impossible to sell in Poland :D even if they was a 
worldwide sale hit.


I have some boxes with alredy sold-out lunar and mars NWA numbers (correct 
me Martin if Im wrong)


I have
NWA 4483 Lunar - 6 boxes
NWA 4766 Mars - 12 boxes
NWA 4881 Lunar - 7 boxes

12euro/16$/box

-[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-
http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
http://www.PolandMET.com   marcin(at)polandmet.com
http://www.Gao-Guenie.com  GSM: +48 (793) 567667
[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Mars boxes - emergency sale AD

[Marcin Cimala]

Boxes SOLD
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[meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse photos from nr Barwell

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Hi All,

Just uploaded 3 shots of the frosty solstice landscape near Barwell in
the UK with the lunar eclipse just before totality...

http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Graham-Ensor/Lunar%20Eclipse%202010/

Seasons greetings,

Graham
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse photos from nr Barwell

[Count Deiro]

Hi Graham,

Lovely shot that...with the landscape reminding one of being an earthling. 
Thank you.. and Happy Christmas to you and yours,

Guido  


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Sent: Dec 21, 2010 12:57 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse photos from nr Barwell

Hi All,

Just uploaded 3 shots of the frosty solstice landscape near Barwell in
the UK with the lunar eclipse just before totality...

http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Graham-Ensor/Lunar%20Eclipse%202010/

Seasons greetings,

Graham
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse photos from nr Barwell

[Rob Holcomb]

Here's a photo from the San Francisco Bay Area, a friend setup his equipment 
and then stood out in the balmy (compared to most of you!) weather and took 
a whole series of photos. I like this one with the stars in the background.


http://4-kats.homeip.net/andrewlunar.jpg

Rob Holcomb
http://www.rholcomb.com

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Hi All,

Just uploaded 3 shots of the frosty solstice landscape near Barwell in
the UK with the lunar eclipse just before totality...

http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Graham-Ensor/Lunar%20Eclipse%202010/

Seasons greetings,

Graham
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse photos from nr Barwell

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Hi Rob,

Thanks for sharing thatgreat detailed shot. Couldn't help thinking
that all it needed was a sprig of holly photo-shopping on to the top
and it would make a very good festive plum pudding look-a-like!

Cheers,

Graham

On 21 December 2010 16:53, Rob Holcomb rob.holc...@gmail.com wrote:
 Here's a photo from the San Francisco Bay Area, a friend setup his equipment
 and then stood out in the balmy (compared to most of you!) weather and took
 a whole series of photos. I like this one with the stars in the background.

 http://4-kats.homeip.net/andrewlunar.jpg

 Rob Holcomb
 http://www.rholcomb.com

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 From: e-mail ensoramanda ensorama...@ntlworld.com
 Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 12:57 AM
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse photos from nr Barwell

 Hi All,

 Just uploaded 3 shots of the frosty solstice landscape near Barwell in
 the UK with the lunar eclipse just before totality...


 http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Graham-Ensor/Lunar%20Eclipse%202010/

 Seasons greetings,

 Graham
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[meteorite-list] Lunar Geminids

[Orrin]

List

Have any of you amateur astronomers witnessed any of the Geminids
impact the moon and if so what size telescope did you use.  I know
that NASA has seen impacts using 14 inchers.  I have an 8 inch Meade.
The following link Geminids Meteor Shower: 'Up All Night' With NASA
might be of interest to some.
 
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Geminids_Meteor_Shower_Up_All_Night_With_NASA_999.html
Here's to clear skies. Hoping for a good show.

Orrin La Rue
Surprise, AZ
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[meteorite-list] Lunar Meteorite - First North American - The Search is ON

[Thunder Stone]

List:

These are great resource sites to help identify possible lunar meteorites.  As 
you can clearly see, it would be very easy to walk right over one unless it had 
a nice fresh fusion crust.

http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/lunar/compendium.cfm

and,

http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/antmet/lmc/lmc.cfm

Good luck to everyone out there,

The Search is ON!

Greg S.
  
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[meteorite-list] Lunar crust micrographs NWA 2977

[Starsinthedirt]

Over three years ago Jim Strope,   catchafallingstar.com   (He has samples 
for sale) provided to me a  Lunar thin section of NWA 2977.  This particular 
slide has a nice band of  crust!

I have shared many images of this slide but I was never able to  get the 
crust just right.  Well now I have some images which you crust  lovers may 
like.  There is a crystal structure in the  melt!

I am working at a high level of magnification (1600X) in incident  
(reflected) partially cross polarized light using oil immersion.  This  level 
of 
magnification is approaching the workable limits of optical  microscopes.

Once again, I will make an update to my micrograph gallery  as soon as 
possible but for now a set of the images has been put up on the Face  Book Tom 
Phillips' Meteorite Photomicrography  Page
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=119298541434619

Please take  a look.  This is a public page where every one can post 
comments or even  their own images.

Thanks,   Tom  Phillips
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[meteorite-list] Lunar Rover Found

[Sterling K. Webb]

Hi,

Not ours -- theirs. The tracks of the Lunokhod 2
lunar rover have been found in photos taken by
NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO). 
The Russian rover covered 35 kilometers (a record) 
before dirt in its radiator made it overheat and die.


There's a photo of the tracks (and the full story) here:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100316164950.htm


Sterling K. Webb
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Rover Found

[Darren Garrison]

On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 02:20:36 -0500, you wrote:

Hi,

Not ours -- theirs.

Nope.  Lord Britishes:

http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/03/17/2143248/Lord-Britishs-Lost-Lunar-Rover-Found-After-37-Years
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[meteorite-list] Lunar and Planatary Laboratory Holds Arizona Meteorite Exhibition

[Richard Kowalski]

The largest single gathering of meteorites found in Arizona will be on display 
on Jan. 30 during the Arizona Meteorite Exhibition.


http://uanews.org/node/29528

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http://fullmoonphotography.net
IMCA #1081


  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar for $200/g

[Ken Newton]

Richard and All,
This seller has had over a dozen martian and lunar auctions since
2007.( All of his meteorites claim lunar or martian origin) His
two years of 0 feedback also inspires confidence - well it is a 100%
rating (kinda)!
Here is one of his first auctions (pdf file) http://tinyurl.com/yzeaakh
Best,
Ken Newton
meteorite-identification.com

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 I found this new listing from an ebayer with no feedback for lunar material 
 found this past September

 http://tinyurl.com/yge5uv9


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[meteorite-list] Lunar for $200/g

[Richard Kowalski]

I found this new listing from an ebayer with no feedback for lunar material 
found this past September

http://tinyurl.com/yge5uv9


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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar for $200/g

[David Pensenstadler]

Did you also notice that he wants $50 to ship it!?

--- On Wed, 12/30/09, Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar for $200/g
 To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 2:45 PM
 I found this new listing from an
 ebayer with no feedback for lunar material found this past
 September
 
 http://tinyurl.com/yge5uv9
 
 
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 http://fullmoonphotography.net
 IMCA #1081
 
 
       
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar for $200/g

[Abdelaziz Alhyane]

Didn't you notice he is from Tindouf, high desert with no internet.
Cheers
Aziz

--- On Wed, 12/30/09, David Pensenstadler dfpen...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: David Pensenstadler dfpen...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar for $200/g
 To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Richard 
 Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com
 Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 3:28 PM
 Did you also notice that he wants $50
 to ship it!?
 
 --- On Wed, 12/30/09, Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
  From: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com
  Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar for $200/g
  To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 2:45 PM
  I found this new listing from an
  ebayer with no feedback for lunar material found
 this past
  September
  
  http://tinyurl.com/yge5uv9
  
  
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  http://fullmoonphotography.net
  IMCA #1081
  
  
        
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar for $200/g

[Abdelaziz Alhyane]

Didn't you notice he is from Tindouf, high desert with no internet.
Cheers
Aziz

--- On Wed, 12/30/09, David Pensenstadler dfpen...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: David Pensenstadler dfpen...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar for $200/g
 To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Richard 
 Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com
 Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 3:28 PM
 Did you also notice that he wants $50
 to ship it!?
 
 --- On Wed, 12/30/09, Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
  From: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com
  Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar for $200/g
  To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 2:45 PM
  I found this new listing from an
  ebayer with no feedback for lunar material found
 this past
  September
  
  http://tinyurl.com/yge5uv9
  
  
  --
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  http://fullmoonphotography.net
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar for $200/g

[Abdelaziz Alhyane]

Didn't you notice he is from Tindouf, high desert with no internet.
Cheers
Aziz

--- On Wed, 12/30/09, David Pensenstadler dfpen...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: David Pensenstadler dfpen...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar for $200/g
 To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Richard 
 Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com
 Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 3:28 PM
 Did you also notice that he wants $50
 to ship it!?
 
 --- On Wed, 12/30/09, Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
  From: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com
  Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar for $200/g
  To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 2:45 PM
  I found this new listing from an
  ebayer with no feedback for lunar material found
 this past
  September
  
  http://tinyurl.com/yge5uv9
  
  
  --
  Richard Kowalski
  http://fullmoonphotography.net
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar for $200/g

[dean bessey]

I am not going to make any comment on wither it is genuine or not but for 
purposes of this email I will assume that it is genuine. Assuming its genuine 
$50 for shipping (Fed Ex?) dont sound excessive. I couldent ship anything from 
here fed ex for $50 for example.
Note also that seller doesnt appear to be very ebay savvy and probably could 
use a tutorial on using ebay.
He has the whole 256 gram meteorite started at $200 but from his description it 
is obvious that he wants $200 a gram (Actually a starting price of over 
$50,000) but he has actually started the auction at $200 for the whole thing 
(Ebay rules wont let you list it the way he wants to).
Somebody (Aziz in morocco maybe) might want to help the poor guy out and 
explain to him how to list things the way that he wants to on ebay.
Cheers
DEAN
PS:
Of course A little more detailed description explaining why he thinks that it 
is actually a Lunar might be a little helpful to but I wont get into that

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 From: Abdelaziz Alhyane abdelaziz_alhy...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar for $200/g
 To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Richard 
 Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com, David Pensenstadler dfpen...@yahoo.com
 Received: Wednesday, 30 December, 2009, 3:48 PM
 Didn't you notice he is from Tindouf,
 high desert with no internet.
 Cheers
 Aziz
 
 --- On Wed, 12/30/09, David Pensenstadler dfpen...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
  From: David Pensenstadler dfpen...@yahoo.com
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar for $200/g
  To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com,
 Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com
  Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 3:28 PM
  Did you also notice that he wants $50
  to ship it!?
  
  --- On Wed, 12/30/09, Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com
  wrote:
  
   From: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com
   Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar for $200/g
   To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
   Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 2:45 PM
   I found this new listing from an
   ebayer with no feedback for lunar material
 found
  this past
   September
   
   http://tinyurl.com/yge5uv9
   
   
   --
   Richard Kowalski
   http://fullmoonphotography.net
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar for $200/g

[Greg Hupe]

Hi Dean and List,

I see no place on this rock where a sample was taken for analysis. Sounds 
like another unclassified Stone and wishful thinking by the seller. Buyer 
Beware!


Best regards,
Greg


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The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmh...@htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163

Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault


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From: dean bessey deanbes...@yahoo.com

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar for $200/g


I am not going to make any comment on wither it is genuine or not but for 
purposes of this email I will assume that it is genuine. Assuming its 
genuine $50 for shipping (Fed Ex?) dont sound excessive. I couldent ship 
anything from here fed ex for $50 for example.
Note also that seller doesnt appear to be very ebay savvy and probably 
could use a tutorial on using ebay.
He has the whole 256 gram meteorite started at $200 but from his 
description it is obvious that he wants $200 a gram (Actually a starting 
price of over $50,000) but he has actually started the auction at $200 for 
the whole thing (Ebay rules wont let you list it the way he wants to).
Somebody (Aziz in morocco maybe) might want to help the poor guy out and 
explain to him how to list things the way that he wants to on ebay.

Cheers
DEAN
PS:
Of course A little more detailed description explaining why he thinks that 
it is actually a Lunar might be a little helpful to but I wont get into 
that


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wrote:



From: Abdelaziz Alhyane abdelaziz_alhy...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar for $200/g
To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Richard 
Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com, David Pensenstadler 
dfpen...@yahoo.com

Received: Wednesday, 30 December, 2009, 3:48 PM
Didn't you notice he is from Tindouf,
high desert with no internet.
Cheers
Aziz

--- On Wed, 12/30/09, David Pensenstadler dfpen...@yahoo.com
wrote:

 From: David Pensenstadler dfpen...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar for $200/g
 To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com,
Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com
 Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 3:28 PM
 Did you also notice that he wants $50
 to ship it!?

 --- On Wed, 12/30/09, Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com
 wrote:

  From: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com
  Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar for $200/g
  To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 2:45 PM
  I found this new listing from an
  ebayer with no feedback for lunar material
found
 this past
  September
 
  http://tinyurl.com/yge5uv9
 
 
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[meteorite-list] Lunar Smash Produces Surprises, Disappointment

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/lcross/091009impact/

Lunar smash produces surprise, disappointment
BY STEPHEN CLARK 
SPACEFLIGHT NOW
October 9, 2009

A $79 million mission struck a lunar bullseye early Friday and collected
a wealth of data to guide scientists seeking water on the moon, but the
impact was a dud for observers hoping to catch a glimpse of space
fireworks.

We have the data we need to actually address the questions we set out
to address, and that's the bottom line, said Tony Colaprete, the
principal investigator for the Lunar Crater Observation and Sensing
Satellite, or LCROSS.

But after an ambitious campaign to engage the public in what was
advertised as a visually observable event, the mission's Centaur rocket
impactor crashed into the moon with barely a flicker of light at 1131
GMT (7:31 a.m. EDT) Friday.

Colaprete said he was expecting surprises from the impact because it
occurred in an unexplored corner of the moon littered with unknowns.

You just never know how these things are going to go, Colaprete said.

The LCROSS mothership, trailing the Centaur by less than 400 miles,
detected a brief flash in thermal imagery at the time of impact. A few
minutes later, LCROSS cameras captured a fleeting view of the small
crater left behind by the high-speed collision.

The mission ended at 1135 GMT (7:35 a.m. EDT) after four minutes of
intense data collection as the LCROSS observing satellite plummeted to
its own demise.

I was blown away by how long this little spacecraft lasted. It's going
to be fun to see how close we were to the surface when we lost contact
with the poor guy, Colaprete said.

During a conference call with reporters before the encounter, Colaprete
muted soaring expectations but said well-informed and well-equipped
ground observers could likely see some visual evidence of the impact.

It turns out no telescope, even the giant Keck and Gemini observatories
in Hawaii, saw obvious signs of the impact in visual and infrared imagery.

Impacting into the moon is an unpredictable business at best,
Colaprete said.

The Centaur hit the moon inside a 60-mile-wide crater, called Cabeus,
believed to harbor elevated concentrations of hydrogen based on findings
of previous and ongoing lunar missions.

The lack of spectacular pictures of the impact may disappoint the
public, but it does not deter from the main goal of the mission.

Our primary objective is what is that hydrogen? Honestly, the images
don't answer that question. The spectroscopy answers that question,
Colaprete said.

Spectral data was the real driver behind the mission, and early results
there are promising, officials said.

That, by itself, may constitute enough information to answer some
fundamental questions, Colaprete said.

Three spectrometers aboard LCROSS captured a breadth of information, but
scientists are not sure if it is a direct measurement of an ejecta
cloud, vapors, or surface material.

The spectrometers are designed to detect the chemical signatures of
minerals illuminated by light. Scientists are most interested in the
spectral fingerprint of water or other hydrogen-bearing compounds.

Scientists presented preliminary raw graphs of the spectral data during
a press conference Friday morning, but warned it would take days before
they knew what they were seeing.

Spectral information from LCROSS is backed up by comprehensive
measurements taken from ground observatories and the Hubble Space
Telescope.

Researchers are not ready to give up on the images yet, either. Although
the video showed no easily-distinguishable cloud of dust, the science
team will augment the video to get views with more clarity.

We need to go and carefully look at the images and see what's in them,
Colaprete said. Certainly, what's streamed out to the video is not at
the same fidelity as what we get fresh off the spacecraft.

It could be two months before Colaprete's team is ready to make a
definitive announcement on what LCROSS found.

We have images, we have video, we have graphs with squiggly lines,
which scientists love, said Jennifer Heldmann, coordinator of the
LCROSS observation campaign.

Although officials could not say with certainty if LCROSS actually
detected a hard-to-see cloud of dust and vapor, some doubt was dispelled
later Friday with news that the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter
independently verified the existence of such a plume.

LRO is circling the moon in a 31-mile-high orbit with a suite of more
powerful instruments than LCROSS.

The orbiter's LAMP ultraviolet spectrometer confirmed the detection of
an ejecta plume shortly after the impact, according to Craig Tooley,
LRO's project manager.

The Diviner imaging radiometer also spotted the impact crater from LCROSS.

Scientists now know some dust was excavated and kicked up by the impact,
but questions remain regarding why the material was not as visible as
expected.

Colaprete said this could be due to an impact on sloping terrain or the
Centaur striking a rocky area 

[meteorite-list] Lunar Prospecting: Probe Ready to Touch Moon Water

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/lcross/091005preview/

Lunar prospecting: Probe ready to touch moon water
BY STEPHEN CLARK 
SPACEFLIGHT NOW
October 5, 2009

An enterprising robotic explorer will smash into the lunar frontier
Friday in search of water ice hidden deep inside the darkest corners of
the moon, spewing hundreds of thousands of pounds of dust high above the
surface in a celestial event visible from Earth.

Just four minutes will decide the outcome of three years of
preparations, four months of space travel, and a $79 million investment
put into the bold mission.

Four minutes is the time that nine science instruments on the LCROSS
probe will be able to directly study a cloud of dust thrown high above
the moon by the impact of an empty Centaur rocket stage.

LCROSS is a very exciting mission culminating in a real crescendo
event, said Dan Andrews, the project manager from NASA's Ames Research
Center at Moffett Field, Calif.

The sensors will scan the debris for the chemical signature of water,
providing definitive proof for a decade-old hypothesis that ice exists
on Earth's inhospitable companion.

The Clementine and Lunar Prospector missions of the 1990s sensed
elevated levels of hydrogen at the moon's poles. Scientists believed the
hydrogen was from trapped water ice. The high concentrations were
centered on permanently shadowed craters, lightless meteor impact sites
that are unimagineably cold.

And by cold, I mean cold, says Tony Colaprete, the mission's principal
investigator from Ames.

According to scientists, temperatures at the bottoms of the craters
could be as low as -240 degrees Celsius, or -400 degrees Fahrenheit. At
those temperatures, water tends to freeze instead of sublimating into
gas, Colaprete said.

At the poles, the sun never comes more than a degree-and-a-half or so
above the horizon, so the crater rims can constantly shadow the crater
floors, Colaprete said.

The time scales are just as mind-boggling.

There are portions of the crater floors that are in permanent shadow.
They could have been permanently shadowed for a billion or two billion
years, maybe more, Colaprete said.

Data from the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, a counterpart to the LCROSS
mission, have independently verified the presence of hydrogen, even
hinting the potential water ice was more widespread than earlier thought.

Scientists also announced last month that three spacecraft found
evidence of water in lunar regions previously thought unable to support it.

Those recent findings have set the stage for an experiment to reach out
and touch the water, said Mike Wargo, chief lunar scientist from NASA's
exploration directorate.

If LCROSS proves water resides on the moon, it could be a boon for
engineers in the early stages of planning for a human return to the
lunar surface.

It's certainly intriguing to know that there might be water deposits in
places where you could go and live off the land versus bringing that
water from Earth, said Todd May, the lunar robotic precursor program
manager at the Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Ala.

Water could not only help quench the thirst of astronauts, but also
supply oxygen, electricity and even rocket propellant for the return
trip to Earth.

NASA says the latest estimates predict impact at exactly 1131:30 GMT
(7:31:30 a.m. EDT) Friday morning. That time could shift by a few
seconds based on new navigation solutions in the coming days.

Scientists have tapped Cabeus crater for the cosmic collision, a
60-mile-wide depression near the moon's south pole.

Cabeus was the subject of a late crater switch announced last week based
on a recent analysis of results from LRO and Japan's Kaguya spacecraft.

The LCROSS shepherding spacecraft, a six-sided platform built by
Northrop Grumman Corp. using off-the-shelf parts, has been towing the
Atlas 5 rocket's Centaur upper stage through deep space since its launch
on June 18.

Having been drained of its propellant and safed shortly after launch,
the 41-foot-long, 10-foot-wide inert Centaur has a mass comparable to a
large sports utility vehicle, according to Andrews.

The two vehicles will part ways at about 0150 GMT Friday (9:50 p.m. EDT
Thursday), according to NASA.

After separating from the Centaur, the shepherding satellite will fire
its engines to back away from the rocket. Lunar gravity will be pulling
both objects toward the moon.

We burn some propellant and decelerate our inevitable acceleration into
the moon to buy us time between the two impacts, Andrews said.

The probe will open up to a distance of nearly 400 miles from the
Centaur, equivalent to about four minutes of flight time between the
vehicles.

That will give the shepherding satellite enough time for its
make-or-break chance to detect iron-clad evidence of water inside Cabeus.

When the Centaur slams into the moon at 5,600 mph, it will excavate more
than 350 metric tons of lunar regolith, throwing some of the material up
to six miles above the 

[meteorite-list] lunar meteorite

[Francesco Moser]

Hello!
I'm looking for the pictures of the 2 meteorite that was found on the Moon. 
Yesterday I try to find them for more than an hour, but nothing.


Could someone send them to me or give me a link?

The meteorite names are:
Bench Crater
Hadley Rille

The second one was just 3mg and was found into a thin section, isn't? So I 
think there aren't images of it.


Thanks a lot!


Regards!


Francesco Moser
IMCA #1510 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar question

[Randy Korotev]

Randy, far be it from me to put words in your fingers, but I recall in an
earlier (a year or two ago) post from you on lunar regolith breccias, you
mentioned that in a lunar breccia, the clasts are more or less randomly sized,
while in most terrestrial breccias, the clasts are mostly of similar sizes
because of wind, water, or gravity sorting them.  (Correct me if I'm 
wrong with

this addition to your list.)


Darren:

Yes, I should have mentioned that.  Most terrestrial sedimentary 
rocks are what sedimentologists call sorted.  All grains in a 
certain size range are deposited at the same distance from the 
shoreline.  But, with no wind and water and little gravity, the 
fragmental material on the surface of an asteroid or the Moon is not 
sorted.  There's a continuum from small to big.  I think of a lunar 
regolith of fragmental breccia as being fractal - it doesn't make any 
difference what scale you're look at.  It always looks the same.


Unfortunately, terrestrial volcaniclastic rocks are also not well sorted.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar question

[Darren Garrison]

On Tue, 08 Sep 2009 15:39:31 -0500, you wrote:


sorted.  There's a continuum from small to big.  I think of a lunar 
regolith of fragmental breccia as being fractal - it doesn't make any 
difference what scale you're look at.  It always looks the same.

Speaking of fractal details and the moon, I ran across this the other day:

http://www.planetary.org/blog/article/2061/

(The last image.)
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar question

[Darren Garrison]

On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 13:10:29 -0500, you wrote:

With regard to the breccias, here are some things to look for:

Aspect ratios of clasts in lunar breccias are practically never 
greater than 3 to 1.

There is practically no preferred orientation of clasts in a lunar 
(or asteroidal) breccia.  Preferred orientation requires gravity (or 
flow, which might happen in an impact-melt breccia, but is rare).

Clasts are mostly angular, with only a bit of rounding on some.  All 
rounding is caused by impact abrasion, which isn't nearly as 
efficient as rocks being tumbled by moving water.

Clasts don't have rims and cores of any kind, except maybe from 
terrestrial weathering processes.

If a clast is layered, it's not from the Moon.  Layered rocks require 
gravity and air or water.

Lunar breccias are remarkably uncolorful - just shades of 
gray.  Nearly all the lunar meteorites from Oman are stained by 
hematite, however, causing reddish regions.  The NWA stones 
(interior) are less colorful.

Clast in lunar breccias never have geometric shapes like prisms, 
rectangles, etc.

Most brecciated lunar meteorites are regolith breccias.  These often 
have white clasts of anorthosite in a dark matrix of lithified 
soil.  Impact melt and granulitic breccias are rarer and are 
remarkably unremarkable (sawn surface).

Randy, far be it from me to put words in your fingers, but I recall in an
earlier (a year or two ago) post from you on lunar regolith breccias, you
mentioned that in a lunar breccia, the clasts are more or less randomly sized,
while in most terrestrial breccias, the clasts are mostly of similar sizes
because of wind, water, or gravity sorting them.  (Correct me if I'm wrong with
this addition to your list.)
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[meteorite-list] Lunar question

[Dennis Miller]

Good Morning All...  I have a rather novice question: What is the identifying
tag or indicator that differentiates a Lunar breccia basalt from a terrestrial
breccia?  I have cut and examined several that I have found, and not
knowing the difference, made coasters out of them...  I know you guys that
run to Morocco to purchase them, from time to time, have a good idea without
taking a lab with you 
 Thanks!
Dennis Miller
 
Sorry, nothing to give away, but bare with me.
Oh, I did give one of my non-lunar coasters to Haag.
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar question

[Randy Korotev]

Dennis:

I might be able to answer your question, but I need to understand the 
question better.


Do you mean breccia basalt as opposed to just breccia?  Most 
lunar meteorites are breccias, but only a few of the breccias are 
basaltic.  Most basaltic lunar meteorites are not breccias; they're 
unbrecciated basalts.  Did you follow that?


In my opinion, in the absence of a fusion crust it's impossible to 
identify a lunar meteorite just by looking, and I've seen 
practically all of them.  I have bought or been sent about 4 alleged 
lunar meteorites from experienced collectors and dealers in the past 
5 years that turned out to be terrestrial rocks, eucrites, or 
howardites.  I've seen some lunar meteorites, most notably the 
Kalahari stones, that don't look anything like a moon rock or a any 
kind of meteorite.


Some, if not many, terrestrial basalts look like martian and lunar 
basaltic meteorites.  So far, none of the lunar or martian basaltic 
meteorites are as vesicular as are many terrestrial basalts, but lack 
of vesicles sure doesn't make it a planetary meteorite.   A chemical 
or mineralogical analysis is neede to distiguish among terrestrial, 
martian, lunar, and asteroidal basalts.


They're are some kinds of terrestrial rocks that strongly resemble 
lunar breccias.  Several people have sent me ignimbrites (alias 
ash-flow tuffs or, more generically, volcaniclastic rocks) that look 
like lunar breccias.  There are also types of sedimentary processes 
on earth that can lead to impact-breccia look-alikes.


http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m118.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m151.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m156.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m159.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m195.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m200.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m216.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m219.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m225.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m235.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m237.htm  see this one, especially
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m260.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m279.htm

Some porphyritic basalts resemble lunar breccias to the untrained eye.

http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m086.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m129.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m259.htm

With regard to the breccias, here are some things to look for:

Aspect ratios of clasts in lunar breccias are practically never 
greater than 3 to 1.


There is practically no preferred orientation of clasts in a lunar 
(or asteroidal) breccia.  Preferred orientation requires gravity (or 
flow, which might happen in an impact-melt breccia, but is rare).


Clasts are mostly angular, with only a bit of rounding on some.  All 
rounding is caused by impact abrasion, which isn't nearly as 
efficient as rocks being tumbled by moving water.


Clasts don't have rims and cores of any kind, except maybe from 
terrestrial weathering processes.


If a clast is layered, it's not from the Moon.  Layered rocks require 
gravity and air or water.


Lunar breccias are remarkably uncolorful - just shades of 
gray.  Nearly all the lunar meteorites from Oman are stained by 
hematite, however, causing reddish regions.  The NWA stones 
(interior) are less colorful.


Clast in lunar breccias never have geometric shapes like prisms, 
rectangles, etc.


Most brecciated lunar meteorites are regolith breccias.  These often 
have white clasts of anorthosite in a dark matrix of lithified 
soil.  Impact melt and granulitic breccias are rarer and are 
remarkably unremarkable (sawn surface).


Hope this helps.

Randy Korotev




At 10:38 04-09-09 Friday, you wrote:


Good Morning All...  I have a rather novice question: What is the identifying
tag or indicator that differentiates a Lunar breccia basalt from a terrestrial
breccia?  I have cut and examined several that I have found, and not
knowing the difference, made coasters out of them...  I know you guys that
run to Morocco to purchase them, from time to time, have a good idea without
taking a lab with you
 Thanks!
Dennis Miller

Sorry, nothing to give away, but bare with me.
Oh, I did give one of my non-lunar coasters to Haag.


Randy Korotev
Saint Louis, MO
koro...@wustl.edu 



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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar question

[Jerry Flaherty]

Thanks Dennis for the question and Randy for a clear summary.
Jerry Flaherty

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From: Randy Korotev koro...@wustl.edu
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To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar question


Dennis:

I might be able to answer your question, but I need to understand the 
question better.


Do you mean breccia basalt as opposed to just breccia?  Most lunar 
meteorites are breccias, but only a few of the breccias are basaltic. 
Most basaltic lunar meteorites are not breccias; they're unbrecciated 
basalts.  Did you follow that?


In my opinion, in the absence of a fusion crust it's impossible to 
identify a lunar meteorite just by looking, and I've seen practically 
all of them.  I have bought or been sent about 4 alleged lunar meteorites 
from experienced collectors and dealers in the past 5 years that turned 
out to be terrestrial rocks, eucrites, or howardites.  I've seen some 
lunar meteorites, most notably the Kalahari stones, that don't look 
anything like a moon rock or a any kind of meteorite.


Some, if not many, terrestrial basalts look like martian and lunar 
basaltic meteorites.  So far, none of the lunar or martian basaltic 
meteorites are as vesicular as are many terrestrial basalts, but lack of 
vesicles sure doesn't make it a planetary meteorite.   A chemical or 
mineralogical analysis is neede to distiguish among terrestrial, martian, 
lunar, and asteroidal basalts.


They're are some kinds of terrestrial rocks that strongly resemble lunar 
breccias.  Several people have sent me ignimbrites (alias ash-flow tuffs 
or, more generically, volcaniclastic rocks) that look like lunar breccias. 
There are also types of sedimentary processes on earth that can lead to 
impact-breccia look-alikes.


http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m118.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m151.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m156.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m159.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m195.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m200.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m216.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m219.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m225.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m235.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m237.htm  see this one, 
especially

http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m260.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m279.htm

Some porphyritic basalts resemble lunar breccias to the untrained eye.

http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m086.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m129.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m259.htm

With regard to the breccias, here are some things to look for:

Aspect ratios of clasts in lunar breccias are practically never greater 
than 3 to 1.


There is practically no preferred orientation of clasts in a lunar (or 
asteroidal) breccia.  Preferred orientation requires gravity (or flow, 
which might happen in an impact-melt breccia, but is rare).


Clasts are mostly angular, with only a bit of rounding on some.  All 
rounding is caused by impact abrasion, which isn't nearly as efficient as 
rocks being tumbled by moving water.


Clasts don't have rims and cores of any kind, except maybe from 
terrestrial weathering processes.


If a clast is layered, it's not from the Moon.  Layered rocks require 
gravity and air or water.


Lunar breccias are remarkably uncolorful - just shades of gray.  Nearly 
all the lunar meteorites from Oman are stained by hematite, however, 
causing reddish regions.  The NWA stones (interior) are less colorful.


Clast in lunar breccias never have geometric shapes like prisms, 
rectangles, etc.


Most brecciated lunar meteorites are regolith breccias.  These often have 
white clasts of anorthosite in a dark matrix of lithified soil.  Impact 
melt and granulitic breccias are rarer and are remarkably unremarkable 
(sawn surface).


Hope this helps.

Randy Korotev




At 10:38 04-09-09 Friday, you wrote:

Good Morning All...  I have a rather novice question: What is the 
identifying
tag or indicator that differentiates a Lunar breccia basalt from a 
terrestrial

breccia?  I have cut and examined several that I have found, and not
knowing the difference, made coasters out of them...  I know you guys that
run to Morocco to purchase them, from time to time, have a good idea 
without

taking a lab with you
 Thanks!
Dennis Miller

Sorry, nothing to give away, but bare with me.
Oh, I did give one of my non-lunar coasters to Haag.


Randy Korotev
Saint Louis, MO
koro...@wustl.edu

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[meteorite-list] Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter - Apollo 14 landing site

[Randy Korotev]

Check this out:

http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/?archives/91-Trail-of-Discovery-at-Fra-Mauro.html

Click on the middle image, preferably on on a big screen

Randy Korotev
Saint Louis, MO
koro...@wustl.edu 



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