Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Postcards
Mike and List, Mike and the others still working on this potential meteorite fall, great job! I appreciate your taking time and great expense to recover a meteorite from the Pennsylvania meteor. Best of luck in finding a meteorite. Dirk Ross...Tokyo --- On Mon, 9/14/09, Mike Hankey mike.han...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mike Hankey mike.han...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Postcards To: Phil Whitmer prairiecac...@rtcol.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 2:00 PM Phil, They're all people that live close to the earth. This is what I'm banking on, if they are aware and its in their sub conscious when they come across it should register and they should act on it. As for it not being found yet, the amount of corn fields out here is mind blowing. They have just started to cut crops, so there is still 80-90% of the land that is in-accessible until that happens. If something doesn't turn up in the next 6 weeks, it probably never will. Will keep you all posted. Thanks for all the feedback. Mike On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Phil Whitmer prairiecac...@rtcol.com wrote: Jason, Mike, Of course you're right about the metal flakes, the stone would have to be cut and polished to see them. (Duh! on my part). It would seem that if this was a big fall, at least one stone would have turned up by now. The Amish farmers with their slow moving horse drawn equipment would find some stones you'd think. I think there are also a lot of Mennonite and Old Order Brethren farmers in that area. They're all people that live close to the earth. They would be more likely to respond to a postcard written in Pennsylvania Dutch (Deitsch). I don't think there's an online translator for that though! The corn picking will start in a couple of weeks, maybe something will turn up. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Postcards
Mike, Your approach is a good one but some slag does not only look like some meteorites but some meteorites look like some slag. The two can in fact have very subtle differences. To that end I would not leave it up to a farmer to decide. It is well worth the trouble to let an informed observer check them all out. A lot of impact melts did melt like slag and do look like slag. The best example is Cat Mountain . This find fooled not only Scientists but Bob Haag himself. The reason is that it was so severely shocked that even on a broken surface the interior is as dark as the fusion crust. And what if it happens to be an IMB like Cat? Cat also showed no metal grains or chondrules until cut open. So, It really can require an expert to check them out. If you shoot this list photos I'm sure between us we can narrow down the prospects. After that we also have some fine meteoriticists on this list that can take it from there. If you have The Robert Haag Collection Of Meteorites private Collection Edition page 87 shows a nice picture of Cat MT. Good luck to you. Carl PS if you don't I will shoot you or anyone else a picture off-list. Carl or Debbie Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax Mike Hankey mike.han...@gmail.com wrote: Dear List, I plan on sending out close to 2,000 of these post cards next week to property owners with 10 or more acres in the 6 zip codes that include and surround the Lancaster County search area. Within the last few days I have started to get more meteorite found reports. The leads that I have followed up with so far have turned out to be slag. To a meteorite novice, slag really does look like a meteorite or what you would think a meteorite would look like if you had never seen one before. Slag is black, often magnetic and burnt. It is easy to mistakenly think a piece of slag could be a meteorite if you don't know what you are looking for. With this post card I hope to 1) Raise awareness and excitement with a broad number of residents that extend beyond our refined search area. 2) Give the residents an informational and visual guide to help them identify a meteorite 3) Let them know about slag and how to identify it (in an effort to cut down on false reports) Here is the front of the card: http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/meteor-postcard-front.jpg Here is the back of the card: http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/meteor-postcard-back.jpg I plan on sending these out early next week. Please let me know if you have any comments, criticism or suggestions before they hit the mail. Thanks, Mike Hankey http://www.mikesastrophotos.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Postcards
Hola, Well, I'd have to disagree. I wouldn't tell people to look for flecks of metal - small rounded bumps, maybe, but...it's very unusual to see metal on the broken surface of a chondrite. My only criticism would be that there is a small chance that the stone was carbonaceous or achondritic (including irons, pallasites). Admittedly, the odds would be very against that, but if someone does find an iron, given your postcard, they might think nothing of it - same goes for any C-type chondrite, really, given the fact that you say the interior of a meteorite would be cement-coloured. Adding comments like 'Fell from space' don't really add anything. Yeah, if the person saw it 'fall from space,' it's probably a meteorite. Amusing, but there's more useful information you could include in that space. My problem with making fliers for the West fall, as well as others, was that there is just too much potentially useful information to squeeze onto an 8 1/2 by 11 piece of paper. You've done a good job as-is, assuming the fall was a relatively unshocked ordinary chondrite... Regards, Jason On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Phil Whitmer prairiecac...@rtcol.com wrote: Hey Mike, I think the postcards are a great idea! You're taking a very good approach to this hunt. I for one say if there are meteorites to be found in this area, you'll find 'em! The only thing I would add to the description would be to look for tiny metal flecks and small circular rounded bumps (chondrules). I know it's probably too late for major changes, but you might want to add a bit of biographical information, about your historic photo and how you're now on an epic quest to recover the fall. Adds some human interest to the story, might make people want to get more involved. I know you're downplaying the economic side of it, you obviously aren't doing this as a money making venture. It's a touchy subject, but moolah is a big motivator, look at all the stones it brought out of NWA. I guess you said they're valuable, that should be enough. I'm just guessing but this seems to be a smaller fall than West. Otherwise a stone or two would have been found by now you'd think. West initially went for over 140 a gram, then leveled off at 70. That kind of incentive would have me walking corn fields from sunup to sundown. (Nothing compared to the thrill of the hunt, though.) Offering a reward is sort of vulgar, but it might get results. I know this is a controversial matter and I'm not a dealer or a hunter (been on two hunts, an extensive one for the Plymouth Meteorite and not so extensive one for the Rochester Meteorite), so I can't say one way or another. OK, Bird-in-hand, Intercourse, Bareville, it sounds like a bunch of sophomores made up those names! Now, if you just spoke High German!, Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Postcards
Jason, Mike, Of course you're right about the metal flakes, the stone would have to be cut and polished to see them. (Duh! on my part). It would seem that if this was a big fall, at least one stone would have turned up by now. The Amish farmers with their slow moving horse drawn equipment would find some stones you'd think. I think there are also a lot of Mennonite and Old Order Brethren farmers in that area. They're all people that live close to the earth. They would be more likely to respond to a postcard written in Pennsylvania Dutch (Deitsch). I don't think there's an online translator for that though! The corn picking will start in a couple of weeks, maybe something will turn up. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Postcards
I know there are some assumptions i've made that could cause things to back fire. e.g. if this is not a west like stone this will not work. its a gamble, and the odds are in favor, but if it turns out not to be... this won't help. the fell from space thing is to add to excitement, but I agree its not very descriptive. i had another version with pictures of a lot of different kinds of meteorites but I thought that was also confusing. There isn't a lot of room on the postcard or for people's attention span. the challenge is keeping it simple but informative at the same time. the goal is to get people jacked up about looking for it and to give them some help along the way. Realistically I can't go on 2000 meteor-wrong reports either... so there has to be some balance and compromise. most people have told me this will be similar to the west fall, i'm not sure if this is just because of the odds, or if there are other reasons. The witness reports described a blue-ish color. I'm not sure if there is anyway to guess the type based on the colors described in witness reports? thanks for the feedback. On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com wrote: Hola, Well, I'd have to disagree. I wouldn't tell people to look for flecks of metal - small rounded bumps, maybe, but...it's very unusual to see metal on the broken surface of a chondrite. My only criticism would be that there is a small chance that the stone was carbonaceous or achondritic (including irons, pallasites). Admittedly, the odds would be very against that, but if someone does find an iron, given your postcard, they might think nothing of it - same goes for any C-type chondrite, really, given the fact that you say the interior of a meteorite would be cement-coloured. Adding comments like 'Fell from space' don't really add anything. Yeah, if the person saw it 'fall from space,' it's probably a meteorite. Amusing, but there's more useful information you could include in that space. My problem with making fliers for the West fall, as well as others, was that there is just too much potentially useful information to squeeze onto an 8 1/2 by 11 piece of paper. You've done a good job as-is, assuming the fall was a relatively unshocked ordinary chondrite... Regards, Jason On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Phil Whitmer prairiecac...@rtcol.com wrote: Hey Mike, I think the postcards are a great idea! You're taking a very good approach to this hunt. I for one say if there are meteorites to be found in this area, you'll find 'em! The only thing I would add to the description would be to look for tiny metal flecks and small circular rounded bumps (chondrules). I know it's probably too late for major changes, but you might want to add a bit of biographical information, about your historic photo and how you're now on an epic quest to recover the fall. Adds some human interest to the story, might make people want to get more involved. I know you're downplaying the economic side of it, you obviously aren't doing this as a money making venture. It's a touchy subject, but moolah is a big motivator, look at all the stones it brought out of NWA. I guess you said they're valuable, that should be enough. I'm just guessing but this seems to be a smaller fall than West. Otherwise a stone or two would have been found by now you'd think. West initially went for over 140 a gram, then leveled off at 70. That kind of incentive would have me walking corn fields from sunup to sundown. (Nothing compared to the thrill of the hunt, though.) Offering a reward is sort of vulgar, but it might get results. I know this is a controversial matter and I'm not a dealer or a hunter (been on two hunts, an extensive one for the Plymouth Meteorite and not so extensive one for the Rochester Meteorite), so I can't say one way or another. OK, Bird-in-hand, Intercourse, Bareville, it sounds like a bunch of sophomores made up those names! Now, if you just spoke High German!, Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Postcards
Phil, They're all people that live close to the earth. This is what I'm banking on, if they are aware and its in their sub conscious when they come across it should register and they should act on it. As for it not being found yet, the amount of corn fields out here is mind blowing. They have just started to cut crops, so there is still 80-90% of the land that is in-accessible until that happens. If something doesn't turn up in the next 6 weeks, it probably never will. Will keep you all posted. Thanks for all the feedback. Mike On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Phil Whitmer prairiecac...@rtcol.com wrote: Jason, Mike, Of course you're right about the metal flakes, the stone would have to be cut and polished to see them. (Duh! on my part). It would seem that if this was a big fall, at least one stone would have turned up by now. The Amish farmers with their slow moving horse drawn equipment would find some stones you'd think. I think there are also a lot of Mennonite and Old Order Brethren farmers in that area. They're all people that live close to the earth. They would be more likely to respond to a postcard written in Pennsylvania Dutch (Deitsch). I don't think there's an online translator for that though! The corn picking will start in a couple of weeks, maybe something will turn up. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Postcards
Dear List, I plan on sending out close to 2,000 of these post cards next week to property owners with 10 or more acres in the 6 zip codes that include and surround the Lancaster County search area. Within the last few days I have started to get more meteorite found reports. The leads that I have followed up with so far have turned out to be slag. To a meteorite novice, slag really does look like a meteorite or what you would think a meteorite would look like if you had never seen one before. Slag is black, often magnetic and burnt. It is easy to mistakenly think a piece of slag could be a meteorite if you don't know what you are looking for. With this post card I hope to 1) Raise awareness and excitement with a broad number of residents that extend beyond our refined search area. 2) Give the residents an informational and visual guide to help them identify a meteorite 3) Let them know about slag and how to identify it (in an effort to cut down on false reports) Here is the front of the card: http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/meteor-postcard-front.jpg Here is the back of the card: http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/meteor-postcard-back.jpg I plan on sending these out early next week. Please let me know if you have any comments, criticism or suggestions before they hit the mail. Thanks, Mike Hankey http://www.mikesastrophotos.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Postcards
Hey Mike, I think the postcards are a great idea! You're taking a very good approach to this hunt. I for one say if there are meteorites to be found in this area, you'll find 'em! The only thing I would add to the description would be to look for tiny metal flecks and small circular rounded bumps (chondrules). I know it's probably too late for major changes, but you might want to add a bit of biographical information, about your historic photo and how you're now on an epic quest to recover the fall. Adds some human interest to the story, might make people want to get more involved. I know you're downplaying the economic side of it, you obviously aren't doing this as a money making venture. It's a touchy subject, but moolah is a big motivator, look at all the stones it brought out of NWA. I guess you said they're valuable, that should be enough. I'm just guessing but this seems to be a smaller fall than West. Otherwise a stone or two would have been found by now you'd think. West initially went for over 140 a gram, then leveled off at 70. That kind of incentive would have me walking corn fields from sunup to sundown. (Nothing compared to the thrill of the hunt, though.) Offering a reward is sort of vulgar, but it might get results. I know this is a controversial matter and I'm not a dealer or a hunter (been on two hunts, an extensive one for the Plymouth Meteorite and not so extensive one for the Rochester Meteorite), so I can't say one way or another. OK, Bird-in-hand, Intercourse, Bareville, it sounds like a bunch of sophomores made up those names! Now, if you just spoke High German!, Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: Fw: [meteorite-list] Meteorite postcards
Sorry if you received this one already. Hi Jose Actually several meteorites have been shown on postcards. I went through mine (125 cards) and my brothers (200 cards) collections. Here are the ones I found including; Published before 1995 1 Cape York Ahnighto several different 2 Willamette several different...this is probably the first meteorite on a post card. Bill has two different cards cancelled on 1908. 3 Navajoby Chicago FM 4 Springwater by Am Met Mus ASU 5 Brenham several 6 Canyon Diablo several 7 Red River by Peabody 8 Allende by ASU 9 pseudo meteorite Ridgley County Maryland 10 several unidentified from photos inside museums including Am Met Mus and a German Museum. Published after 1995 1 NWA 482 from Jim Strope two types 2 NWA 998 from Jim Strope two types 3 all from Mark Bostick NWA 869, Gold Basin, Park Forest, NWA 998, Millbillillie, Bilanga and Wichita 4 Ghubara by D Pitt 5 Gibeon by D Pitt 6 Esquel by French museum 7 Hoba (I don't have this one..anyone with some extras?) 8 Cool set published by TCU (I don't have a set yet) 9 I'm sure there are lots more. Any one know of any others? Any for sale??? Mike Mike Jensen IMCA 4264 Bill Jensen IMCA 2359 Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 303-337-4361 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite postcards
Hi Mike et. al., I had some postcards of two Washington state meteorites a while ago, but I sold them possibly to someone on this list. I believe they were of Waterville, and maybe Withrow (but I am not sure on this one). I'll keep thinking. Cheers, Martin On Oct 27, 2004, at 8:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry if you received this one already. Hi Jose Actually several meteorites have been shown on postcards. I went through mine (125 cards) and my brothers (200 cards) collections. Here are the ones I found including; Published before 1995 1 Cape York Ahnighto several different 2 Willamette several different...this is probably the first meteorite on a post card. Bill has two different cards cancelled on 1908. 3 Navajoby Chicago FM 4 Springwater by Am Met Mus ASU 5 Brenham several 6 Canyon Diablo several 7 Red River by Peabody 8 Allende by ASU 9 pseudo meteorite Ridgley County Maryland 10 several unidentified from photos inside museums including Am Met Mus and a German Museum. Published after 1995 1 NWA 482 from Jim Strope two types 2 NWA 998 from Jim Strope two types 3 all from Mark Bostick NWA 869, Gold Basin, Park Forest, NWA 998, Millbillillie, Bilanga and Wichita 4 Ghubara by D Pitt 5 Gibeon by D Pitt 6 Esquel by French museum 7 Hoba (I don't have this one..anyone with some extras?) 8 Cool set published by TCU (I don't have a set yet) 9 I'm sure there are lots more. Any one know of any others? Any for sale??? Mike Mike Jensen IMCA 4264 Bill Jensen IMCA 2359 Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 303-337-4361 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: Fw: [meteorite-list] Meteorite postcards, Wanted
Hello everyone again, There are a few advertisement postcards sent by meteorite dealers that some of you might have, that I would be interested in. Mike Farmer made one on the Bilanga meteorite I think, or I read reference to such on the list once. Also Blaine Reed made two different postcards when lunar meteorites first came up for sale. If any of the list members that were collectors during this time, has them and would part with them, please let me know. Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
