Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Postcards

2009-09-14 Thread drtanuki
Mike and List,
  Mike and the others still working on this potential meteorite fall, great 
job!  I appreciate your taking time and great expense to recover a meteorite 
from the Pennsylvania meteor.  Best of luck in finding a meteorite.  Dirk 
Ross...Tokyo


--- On Mon, 9/14/09, Mike Hankey mike.han...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Mike Hankey mike.han...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Postcards
 To: Phil Whitmer prairiecac...@rtcol.com
 Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 2:00 PM
 Phil,
 
  They're all people that live close to the earth.
 
 This is what I'm banking on, if they are aware and its in
 their sub
 conscious when they come across it should register and they
 should act
 on it.
 
 As for it not being found yet, the amount of corn fields
 out here is
 mind blowing. They have just started to cut crops, so there
 is still
 80-90% of the land that is in-accessible until that
 happens. If
 something doesn't turn up in the next 6 weeks, it probably
 never will.
 
 Will keep you all posted. Thanks for all the feedback.
 
 Mike
 
 On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Phil Whitmer prairiecac...@rtcol.com
 wrote:
  Jason, Mike,
 
  Of course you're right about the metal flakes, the
 stone would have to be
  cut and polished to see them. (Duh! on my part).
 
  It would seem that if this was a big fall, at least
 one stone would have
  turned up by now.  The Amish farmers with their slow
 moving horse drawn
  equipment would find some stones you'd think. I think
 there are  also a lot
  of Mennonite and Old Order Brethren farmers in that
 area. They're all people
  that live close to the earth.  They would be more
 likely to respond to a
  postcard written in Pennsylvania Dutch (Deitsch).  I
 don't think there's an
  online translator for that though!
 
  The corn picking will start in a couple of weeks,
 maybe something will turn
  up.
 
  Phil Whitmer
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Postcards

2009-09-13 Thread cdtucson
Mike,
Your approach is a good one but some slag does not only look like some 
meteorites but some meteorites look like some slag. The two can in fact have 
very subtle differences.
To that end I would not leave it up to a farmer to decide. It is well worth the 
trouble to let an informed observer check them all out.
A lot of impact melts did melt like slag and do look like slag.
The best example is Cat Mountain . This find fooled not only Scientists but Bob 
Haag himself. The reason is that it was so severely shocked that even on a 
broken surface the interior is as dark as the fusion crust. And what if it 
happens to be an IMB like Cat? 
Cat also showed no metal grains or chondrules until cut open. So, It really can 
require an expert to check them out.
If you shoot this list photos I'm sure between us we can narrow down the 
prospects. After that we also have some fine meteoriticists on this list that 
can take it from there. 
If you have The Robert Haag Collection Of Meteorites private Collection 
Edition page 87 shows a nice picture of Cat MT.
Good luck to you. 
Carl
PS if you don't I will shoot you or anyone else a picture off-list. 

Carl or Debbie Esparza
IMCA 5829
Meteoritemax


 Mike Hankey mike.han...@gmail.com wrote: 
 Dear List,
 
 I plan on sending out close to 2,000 of these post cards next week to
 property owners with 10 or more acres in the 6 zip codes that include
 and surround the Lancaster County search area. Within the last few
 days I have started to get more meteorite found reports. The leads
 that I have followed up with so far have turned out to be slag. To a
 meteorite novice, slag really does look like a meteorite or what you
 would think a meteorite would look like if you had never seen one
 before. Slag is black, often magnetic and burnt. It is easy to
 mistakenly think a piece of slag could be a meteorite if you don't
 know what you are looking for.
 
 With this post card I hope to 1) Raise awareness and excitement with a
 broad number of residents that extend beyond our refined search area.
 2) Give the residents an informational and visual guide to help them
 identify a meteorite 3) Let them know about slag and how to identify
 it (in an effort to cut down on false reports)
 
 Here is the front of the card:
 
 http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/meteor-postcard-front.jpg
 
 Here is the back of the card:
 
 http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/meteor-postcard-back.jpg
 
 I plan on sending these out early next week. Please let me know if you
 have any comments, criticism or suggestions before they hit the mail.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Mike Hankey
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Postcards

2009-09-13 Thread Jason Utas
Hola,
Well, I'd have to disagree.  I wouldn't tell people to look for flecks
of metal - small rounded bumps, maybe, but...it's very unusual to see
metal on the broken surface of a chondrite.
My only criticism would be that there is a small chance that the stone
was carbonaceous or achondritic (including irons, pallasites).
Admittedly, the odds would be very against that, but if someone does
find an iron, given your postcard, they might think nothing of it -
same goes for any C-type chondrite, really, given the fact that you
say the interior of a meteorite would be cement-coloured.
Adding comments like 'Fell from space' don't really add anything.
Yeah, if the person saw it 'fall from space,' it's probably a
meteorite.  Amusing, but there's more useful information you could
include in that space.  My problem with making fliers for the West
fall, as well as others, was that there is just too much potentially
useful information to squeeze onto an 8 1/2 by 11 piece of paper.
You've done a good job as-is, assuming the fall was a relatively
unshocked ordinary chondrite...
Regards,
Jason

On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Phil Whitmer prairiecac...@rtcol.com wrote:
 Hey Mike,

 I think the postcards are a great idea!  You're taking a very good approach
 to this hunt. I for one say if there are meteorites to be found in this
 area, you'll find 'em!  The only thing I would add to the description would
 be to look for tiny metal flecks and small circular rounded bumps
 (chondrules).  I know it's probably too late for major changes, but you
 might want to add a bit of biographical information, about your historic
 photo and how you're now on an epic quest to recover the fall. Adds some
 human interest to the story, might make people want to get more involved.

 I know you're downplaying the economic side of it, you obviously aren't
 doing this as a money making venture.  It's a touchy subject, but moolah is
 a big motivator, look at all the stones it brought out of NWA.  I guess you
 said they're valuable, that should be enough.  I'm just guessing but this
 seems to be a smaller fall than West.  Otherwise a stone or two would have
 been found by now you'd think. West initially went for over 140 a gram, then
 leveled off at 70.  That kind of incentive would have me walking corn fields
 from sunup to sundown. (Nothing compared to the thrill of the hunt, though.)
 Offering a reward is sort of vulgar, but it might get results. I know this
 is a controversial matter and I'm not a dealer or a hunter (been on two
 hunts, an extensive one for the Plymouth Meteorite and  not so extensive one
 for the Rochester Meteorite), so I can't say one way or another.

 OK,  Bird-in-hand,  Intercourse, Bareville, it sounds like a bunch of
 sophomores made up those names!

 Now, if you just spoke High German!,

 Phil Whitmer



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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Postcards

2009-09-13 Thread Phil Whitmer

Jason, Mike,

Of course you're right about the metal flakes, the stone would have to be 
cut and polished to see them. (Duh! on my part).


It would seem that if this was a big fall, at least one stone would have 
turned up by now.  The Amish farmers with their slow moving horse drawn 
equipment would find some stones you'd think. I think there are  also a lot 
of Mennonite and Old Order Brethren farmers in that area. They're all people 
that live close to the earth.  They would be more likely to respond to a 
postcard written in Pennsylvania Dutch (Deitsch).  I don't think there's an 
online translator for that though!


The corn picking will start in a couple of weeks, maybe something will turn 
up.


Phil Whitmer 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Postcards

2009-09-13 Thread Mike Hankey
I know there are some assumptions i've made that could cause things to
back fire. e.g. if this is not a west like stone this will not work.
its a gamble, and the odds are in favor, but if it turns out not to
be... this won't help.

the fell from space thing is to add to excitement, but I agree its not
very descriptive.

i had another version with pictures of a lot of different kinds of
meteorites but I thought that was also confusing.

There isn't a lot of room on the postcard or for people's attention
span. the challenge is keeping it simple but informative at the same
time. the goal is to get people jacked up about looking for it and to
give them some help along the way. Realistically I can't go on 2000
meteor-wrong reports either... so there has to be some balance and
compromise.

most people have told me this will be similar to the west fall, i'm
not sure if this is just because of the odds, or if there are other
reasons.

The witness reports described a blue-ish color. I'm not sure if there
is anyway to guess the type based on the colors described in witness
reports?

thanks for the feedback.

On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hola,
 Well, I'd have to disagree.  I wouldn't tell people to look for flecks
 of metal - small rounded bumps, maybe, but...it's very unusual to see
 metal on the broken surface of a chondrite.
 My only criticism would be that there is a small chance that the stone
 was carbonaceous or achondritic (including irons, pallasites).
 Admittedly, the odds would be very against that, but if someone does
 find an iron, given your postcard, they might think nothing of it -
 same goes for any C-type chondrite, really, given the fact that you
 say the interior of a meteorite would be cement-coloured.
 Adding comments like 'Fell from space' don't really add anything.
 Yeah, if the person saw it 'fall from space,' it's probably a
 meteorite.  Amusing, but there's more useful information you could
 include in that space.  My problem with making fliers for the West
 fall, as well as others, was that there is just too much potentially
 useful information to squeeze onto an 8 1/2 by 11 piece of paper.
 You've done a good job as-is, assuming the fall was a relatively
 unshocked ordinary chondrite...
 Regards,
 Jason

 On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Phil Whitmer prairiecac...@rtcol.com wrote:
 Hey Mike,

 I think the postcards are a great idea!  You're taking a very good approach
 to this hunt. I for one say if there are meteorites to be found in this
 area, you'll find 'em!  The only thing I would add to the description would
 be to look for tiny metal flecks and small circular rounded bumps
 (chondrules).  I know it's probably too late for major changes, but you
 might want to add a bit of biographical information, about your historic
 photo and how you're now on an epic quest to recover the fall. Adds some
 human interest to the story, might make people want to get more involved.

 I know you're downplaying the economic side of it, you obviously aren't
 doing this as a money making venture.  It's a touchy subject, but moolah is
 a big motivator, look at all the stones it brought out of NWA.  I guess you
 said they're valuable, that should be enough.  I'm just guessing but this
 seems to be a smaller fall than West.  Otherwise a stone or two would have
 been found by now you'd think. West initially went for over 140 a gram, then
 leveled off at 70.  That kind of incentive would have me walking corn fields
 from sunup to sundown. (Nothing compared to the thrill of the hunt, though.)
 Offering a reward is sort of vulgar, but it might get results. I know this
 is a controversial matter and I'm not a dealer or a hunter (been on two
 hunts, an extensive one for the Plymouth Meteorite and  not so extensive one
 for the Rochester Meteorite), so I can't say one way or another.

 OK,  Bird-in-hand,  Intercourse, Bareville, it sounds like a bunch of
 sophomores made up those names!

 Now, if you just spoke High German!,

 Phil Whitmer



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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Postcards

2009-09-13 Thread Mike Hankey
Phil,

 They're all people that live close to the earth.

This is what I'm banking on, if they are aware and its in their sub
conscious when they come across it should register and they should act
on it.

As for it not being found yet, the amount of corn fields out here is
mind blowing. They have just started to cut crops, so there is still
80-90% of the land that is in-accessible until that happens. If
something doesn't turn up in the next 6 weeks, it probably never will.

Will keep you all posted. Thanks for all the feedback.

Mike

On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Phil Whitmer prairiecac...@rtcol.com wrote:
 Jason, Mike,

 Of course you're right about the metal flakes, the stone would have to be
 cut and polished to see them. (Duh! on my part).

 It would seem that if this was a big fall, at least one stone would have
 turned up by now.  The Amish farmers with their slow moving horse drawn
 equipment would find some stones you'd think. I think there are  also a lot
 of Mennonite and Old Order Brethren farmers in that area. They're all people
 that live close to the earth.  They would be more likely to respond to a
 postcard written in Pennsylvania Dutch (Deitsch).  I don't think there's an
 online translator for that though!

 The corn picking will start in a couple of weeks, maybe something will turn
 up.

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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Postcards

2009-09-12 Thread Mike Hankey
Dear List,

I plan on sending out close to 2,000 of these post cards next week to
property owners with 10 or more acres in the 6 zip codes that include
and surround the Lancaster County search area. Within the last few
days I have started to get more meteorite found reports. The leads
that I have followed up with so far have turned out to be slag. To a
meteorite novice, slag really does look like a meteorite or what you
would think a meteorite would look like if you had never seen one
before. Slag is black, often magnetic and burnt. It is easy to
mistakenly think a piece of slag could be a meteorite if you don't
know what you are looking for.

With this post card I hope to 1) Raise awareness and excitement with a
broad number of residents that extend beyond our refined search area.
2) Give the residents an informational and visual guide to help them
identify a meteorite 3) Let them know about slag and how to identify
it (in an effort to cut down on false reports)

Here is the front of the card:

http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/meteor-postcard-front.jpg

Here is the back of the card:

http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/meteor-postcard-back.jpg

I plan on sending these out early next week. Please let me know if you
have any comments, criticism or suggestions before they hit the mail.

Thanks,

Mike Hankey
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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Postcards

2009-09-12 Thread Phil Whitmer

Hey Mike,

I think the postcards are a great idea!  You're taking a very good approach 
to this hunt. I for one say if there are meteorites to be found in this 
area, you'll find 'em!  The only thing I would add to the description would 
be to look for tiny metal flecks and small circular rounded bumps 
(chondrules).  I know it's probably too late for major changes, but you 
might want to add a bit of biographical information, about your historic 
photo and how you're now on an epic quest to recover the fall. Adds some 
human interest to the story, might make people want to get more involved.


I know you're downplaying the economic side of it, you obviously aren't 
doing this as a money making venture.  It's a touchy subject, but moolah is 
a big motivator, look at all the stones it brought out of NWA.  I guess you 
said they're valuable, that should be enough.  I'm just guessing but this 
seems to be a smaller fall than West.  Otherwise a stone or two would have 
been found by now you'd think. West initially went for over 140 a gram, then 
leveled off at 70.  That kind of incentive would have me walking corn fields 
from sunup to sundown. (Nothing compared to the thrill of the hunt, though.) 
Offering a reward is sort of vulgar, but it might get results. I know this 
is a controversial matter and I'm not a dealer or a hunter (been on two 
hunts, an extensive one for the Plymouth Meteorite and  not so extensive one 
for the Rochester Meteorite), so I can't say one way or another.


OK,  Bird-in-hand,  Intercourse, Bareville, it sounds like a bunch of 
sophomores made up those names!


Now, if you just spoke High German!,

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Re: Fw: [meteorite-list] Meteorite postcards

2004-10-27 Thread Mikestockj
Sorry if you received this one already.

Hi Jose
Actually several meteorites have been shown on postcards. I went through mine 
(125 cards) and my brothers (200 cards) collections. Here are the ones I 
found including;

Published before 1995
1 Cape York Ahnighto several different
2 Willamette several different...this is probably the first meteorite on a 
post card. Bill has two different cards cancelled on 1908.
3 Navajoby Chicago FM
4 Springwater  by Am Met Mus  ASU
5 Brenham several
6 Canyon Diablo several
7 Red River  by Peabody
8 Allende  by ASU
9 pseudo meteorite Ridgley County Maryland
10 several unidentified from photos inside museums including Am Met Mus and a 
German Museum.

Published after 1995
1 NWA 482 from Jim Strope two types
2 NWA 998 from Jim Strope two types
3 all from Mark Bostick NWA 869, Gold Basin, Park Forest, NWA 998, 
Millbillillie, Bilanga and Wichita
4 Ghubara by D Pitt
5 Gibeon by D Pitt
6 Esquel by French museum
7 Hoba (I don't have this one..anyone with some extras?)
8 Cool set published by TCU (I don't have a set yet)
9 I'm sure there are lots more. Any one know of any others? Any for sale???

Mike


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Bill Jensen IMCA 2359
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Aurora, CO 80017-3137
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite postcards

2004-10-27 Thread Martinh
Hi Mike et. al.,
I had some postcards of two Washington state meteorites a while ago, 
but I sold them possibly to someone on this list. I believe they were 
of Waterville, and maybe Withrow (but I am not sure on this one).

I'll keep thinking.
Cheers,
Martin

On Oct 27, 2004, at 8:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sorry if you received this one already.
Hi Jose
Actually several meteorites have been shown on postcards. I went 
through mine
(125 cards) and my brothers (200 cards) collections. Here are the ones 
I
found including;

Published before 1995
1 Cape York Ahnighto several different
2 Willamette several different...this is probably the first meteorite 
on a
post card. Bill has two different cards cancelled on 1908.
3 Navajoby Chicago FM
4 Springwater  by Am Met Mus  ASU
5 Brenham several
6 Canyon Diablo several
7 Red River  by Peabody
8 Allende  by ASU
9 pseudo meteorite Ridgley County Maryland
10 several unidentified from photos inside museums including Am Met 
Mus and a
German Museum.

Published after 1995
1 NWA 482 from Jim Strope two types
2 NWA 998 from Jim Strope two types
3 all from Mark Bostick NWA 869, Gold Basin, Park Forest, NWA 998,
Millbillillie, Bilanga and Wichita
4 Ghubara by D Pitt
5 Gibeon by D Pitt
6 Esquel by French museum
7 Hoba (I don't have this one..anyone with some extras?)
8 Cool set published by TCU (I don't have a set yet)
9 I'm sure there are lots more. Any one know of any others? Any for 
sale???

Mike
Mike Jensen IMCA 4264
Bill Jensen IMCA 2359
Jensen Meteorites
16730 E Ada PL
Aurora, CO 80017-3137
303-337-4361
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Re: Fw: [meteorite-list] Meteorite postcards, Wanted

2004-10-27 Thread MARK BOSTICK
Hello everyone again,
There are a few advertisement postcards sent by meteorite dealers that some 
of you might have, that I would be interested in.  Mike Farmer made one on 
the Bilanga meteorite I think, or I read reference to such on the list once. 
 Also Blaine Reed made two different postcards when lunar meteorites first 
came up for sale.  If any of the list members that were collectors during 
this time, has them and would part with them, please let me know.

Mark Bostick
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