[meteorite-list] NWA 4734 Lunar AD update
Hi to everyone, I hope the day has been good for you all! Just to update the AD for the Lunar so nobody has to email anymore about pieces that have been sold, all samples of the NWA 4734 except for the .65g and .80g have been sold. .65g - $650 http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/NWA473465g.jpg .80g - $800 http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/NWA473480g.jpg Greg C. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 4734
HI ALL. we need a Little clarification concerning nwa 4734 , an what greg caterton is selling, those slice from greg c, look the real McCoy, and they are from the mass original; that was a complete stone classified by albert jambon, in first i get 409+67 gr and sent 20 gr to albert that he has done the classification and later mr oumama get the rest which is the rest from a complete stone of 1372 gr that he classified the stone by amlbert too; the mass was split by : aziz habibi = 477 gr stfean ralew =40 gr or so oumama the rest wich is 855 gr and there is nothing more as it is a complte stone so mr oumama sold his stone to sbai mohamed and associates, all is sold left in morroco , 409 gr by a, habibi and 400 gr by sbai associates, so mr greg c , get his 11 gr from sbai associates ,as he wrote to me; congratulations on acquiring this wonderful and pristine lunar, than actually he need not to classifies the stone if he has bough it from sbai associates, but need at least to confirm it, what should be done in next situation by any dealer , lunar and martian are a heavy investment , and dealer from nwa or other part of the world take a big risk buying them , any one could clam that a stone is paired to this one , but there have been many stone mistaken for lunars and martians, if a stone is not checked by a scientist as lunar or martian it must not be sold as one, many dealer and collector invest a big money like 1000's of dollar in planetary meteorite and brought to the world of meteorite a pristine collection that had cost them much money to come at the end to sell slices for few dollars , they will never get back there money if there is a bad behavior and no respect of rules, a single collector could never afford to buy a planetary meteorite if there was not big dealers we come to fact that without this dealers from other part of the world that market well planetary meteorite , there will be less and less classification and than there will be a brouhaha of what is what, and collector will not buy anymore any planetary meteorite the work done by Norbert classen and dr randy korotev and dr tony Irving to make statistics of lunar and martian is a wonderfully hard job and we thank them for that, we need a fallow up system by the nomcom for planetary statistics. Moroccans dealers usually sell planetary as unclassified which is an other matter , they send a sample to a dealer who classifies the stone and put it in public, and this is the only way that big dealer could get planetary is by buying unclassified planetary, coming to the pairing issue , i agree that even if lunar and martian are paired they must be confirmed by a scientist, to avoid confusion, thanks for reading and let's keep this market growing , the best we behave good the best we have best market and better meteorite, my 409 gr nwa 4734 still intact it's from the untouchable and it's the main mass now,od nwa4734 as it's the biggest one, from all what is founld 1372 gr. http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/3542986058/sizes/l/ by the way a big firebakll croosed over north erfoud yesterday nigh at 00.30 it looks big and went directly to algeria, thanks aziz habibi habibi aziz box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco phone. 21235576145 fax.21235576170/font __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 4734
so mr greg c , get his 11 gr from sbai associates ,as he wrote to me; congratulations on acquiring this wonderful and pristine lunar Thanks for the confirmation for everyone that what I have the the real thing. I understand the need for caution when buying Lunar and Martian meteorites, but I also did not like the fact that people felt the need to question my credibility. I have never given anyone any reason the question me or anything I sell. That said, who wants some of this awesome Lunar? Greg C. --- On Mon, 5/18/09, habibi abdelaziz azizhab...@yahoo.com wrote: From: habibi abdelaziz azizhab...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 4734 To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 12:10 PM HI ALL. we need a Little clarification concerning nwa 4734 , an what greg caterton is selling, those slice from greg c, look the real McCoy, and they are from the mass original; that was a complete stone classified by albert jambon, in first i get 409+67 gr and sent 20 gr to albert that he has done the classification and later mr oumama get the rest which is the rest from a complete stone of 1372 gr that he classified the stone by amlbert too; the mass was split by : aziz habibi = 477 gr stfean ralew =40 gr or so oumama the rest wich is 855 gr and there is nothing more as it is a complte stone so mr oumama sold his stone to sbai mohamed and associates, all is sold left in morroco , 409 gr by a, habibi and 400 gr by sbai associates, so mr greg c , get his 11 gr from sbai associates ,as he wrote to me; congratulations on acquiring this wonderful and pristine lunar, than actually he need not to classifies the stone if he has bough it from sbai associates, but need at least to confirm it, what should be done in next situation by any dealer , lunar and martian are a heavy investment , and dealer from nwa or other part of the world take a big risk buying them , any one could clam that a stone is paired to this one , but there have been many stone mistaken for lunars and martians, if a stone is not checked by a scientist as lunar or martian it must not be sold as one, many dealer and collector invest a big money like 1000's of dollar in planetary meteorite and brought to the world of meteorite a pristine collection that had cost them much money to come at the end to sell slices for few dollars , they will never get back there money if there is a bad behavior and no respect of rules, a single collector could never afford to buy a planetary meteorite if there was not big dealers we come to fact that without this dealers from other part of the world that market well planetary meteorite , there will be less and less classification and than there will be a brouhaha of what is what, and collector will not buy anymore any planetary meteorite the work done by Norbert classen and dr randy korotev and dr tony Irving to make statistics of lunar and martian is a wonderfully hard job and we thank them for that, we need a fallow up system by the nomcom for planetary statistics. Moroccans dealers usually sell planetary as unclassified which is an other matter , they send a sample to a dealer who classifies the stone and put it in public, and this is the only way that big dealer could get planetary is by buying unclassified planetary, coming to the pairing issue , i agree that even if lunar and martian are paired they must be confirmed by a scientist, to avoid confusion, thanks for reading and let's keep this market growing , the best we behave good the best we have best market and better meteorite, my 409 gr nwa 4734 still intact it's from the untouchable and it's the main mass now,od nwa4734 as it's the biggest one, from all what is founld 1372 gr. http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/3542986058/sizes/l/ by the way a big firebakll croosed over north erfoud yesterday nigh at 00.30 it looks big and went directly to algeria, thanks aziz habibi habibi aziz box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco phone. 21235576145 fax.21235576170/font __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 4734
Hi Aziz, Martin, list Nice that some of you could confirm that all NWA 4734 fragments belong to one single stone and that the so far known total weight should be indeed around 1412 g (or 1417 or 1422 g, depending if the Heirs' fragment was 40 or 44.5 or 50 g). For the pairing affair, I roughly agree with Aziz and believe that scientists would consider further investigations in that direction as this really seems to be of interest. I also received yesterday night (my time) a mail from Mbark Ait Lakid (also nicknamed Oumama), in French, that I wish to send to the list as such, as per his request, after my most reliable translation (my additional comments or guesses are between brackets): - Dear Zelimir, I am Mbark Ait Lkaid (nicknamed Oumama). Thank you for your interest regarding NWA 4734; let me tell you the real story about this meteorite: I received 477 g (of that stone) that I sold to Habibi. Then I further received another 895 g. Habibi sent 20 g to (Albert) Jambon and its provisional classification (NB: as I understand, performed by Jambon) resulted in the (provisional) name NWA 4683. Jambon knew that I owed the 895 g mass and visited me. I then offered him 20 g for the classification of these 895 g. As it dealt with the very same stone, he (Jambon) made one single classification and named both stones NWA 4734. I was really surprised last week to read that the NomCom reported in Met. Bull. does not mention that this further mass (895 g) was also analyzed, but just stated that several other pieces of the same stone are with M. Oumama in Rissani... The 44.5 g that Chladni's (Heirs) purchased come from another dealer. As a result, 2 big mistakes clearly remain, thus the (officially reported) tkw (477 g instead of 1372 g) and the purchase place (Erfoud versus Rissani). I hope my above statings could clear to some extent this issue. I have no access to the mailing list so please could you inform the meteoritical community about these facts so that they appear more clear to all... Respectfully, Mbark --- I can't add anything else but just note that Mbark's report confirms the statements of Martin and Aziz. Perhaps should one suggest the NomCom (Jeff ?) possibly takes into account these remarks for a future correction of the Met. Bull. text regarding NWA 4734. Best wishes, Zelimir NB: heredown is the original mail received from Mbark Ait Lkaid, in French: - Bonsoir Dr.zelimir, je suis mbark ait lkaid (mon surnom est mbark oumama). merci pour l'interet que vous avez envers la nwa 4734. je vais te raconter l'histoire reelle de cette météorite.: j'ai reçu 477gr que j'ai vendus à Habibi puis j'ai reçu les autres pièces faisant 895gr. Habibi a envoyé 20gr à Jambon et la classification provisoire était sous nwa 4683. Jambon a su que je possède les 895gr et il m'a rendu visite .j'ai lui offert 20gr pour une classification de 895. et puisqu'il s'agit du meme caillou il a fait une seule classification sous la nwa 4734. je suis vraiment surpris la semaine denière quant j'ai vu au MB que la nomcom ne declare pas au titre la masse analysé pourtant ils la glisset entre ligne en utilisant juste mon surnom. les 44.5gr de chladni's est achetés d'un autre marchand. donc deux grandes fautes sont bien claires : la masse (477gr/1372gr) et le lieu de vente(Erfoud/Rissani). j'éspère que j'ai pu eclaicir l'affaire un peu. j'ai pas acccés au mailling list.et je vous demande si vous le voulez bien de renseigner la communauté météoritiques de ces faits pour toous sois claire. respect, mbark - A 06:03 23/01/2008 -0800, habibi abdelaziz a écrit : salut zelimir,and bonjour les listoides. about the TKW of nwa 4734 = 477 habibi +895 oumama+ stefan ralew 40 gr or so. total =1412 gr. the stone is complete , so nothing missing, .you can see photo on oumama link. on the pairing 25000km apart they should studies isotope of the two meteorite to see if they have the same ages , in space , and also the same ages in earth. so to do that needs collaboration from the arctic team who ever owned the lap specimen and the nwa4734. two sample from this two stone must be studies and compared to establish the launch-pairing. and here i ask who is doing studies of ages in spaces an earth , is it always dr kisushumi, and for any simple guy ,to see the photo of the two stone you will say they are the same paired. * outside all this fiction , those stone are among the best lunar that i have seen , many collector have slice or sample and they are very pretty and under microscope it's jewelry. so the fact that many scientist didn't arrive to a compromise to give here a name satisfies my curiosity. the first time i have seen this lunar , i sad this is shergotite, than once in my office under microscope i change completely the done. and spent two month dreaming. and i m still dreaming. all the best aziz habibi font
[meteorite-list] NWA 4734
Sorry if this comes twice... Z --- Hi Aziz, Martin, list Nice that some of you could confirm that all NWA 4734 fragments belong to one single stone and that the so far known total weight should be indeed around 1412 g (or 1417 or 1422 g, depending if the Heirs' fragment was 40 or 44.5 or 50 g). For the pairing affair, I roughly agree with Aziz and believe that scientists would consider further investigations in that direction as this really seems to be of interest. I also received yesterday night (my time) a mail from Mbark Ait Lakid (also nicknamed Oumama), in French, that I wish to send to the list as such, as per his request, after my most reliable translation (my additional comments or guesses are between brackets): - Dear Zelimir, I am Mbark Ait Lkaid (nicknamed Oumama). Thank you for your interest regarding NWA 4734; let me tell you the real story about this meteorite: I received 477 g (of that stone) that I sold to Habibi. Then I further received another 895 g. Habibi sent 20 g to (Albert) Jambon and its provisional classification (NB: as I understand, performed by Jambon) resulted in the (provisional) name NWA 4683. Jambon knew that I owed the 895 g mass and visited me. I then offered him 20 g for the classification of these 895 g. As it dealt with the very same stone, he (Jambon) made one single classification and named both stones NWA 4734. I was really surprised last week to read that the NomCom reported in Met. Bull. does not mention that this further mass (895 g) was also analyzed, but just stated that several other pieces of the same stone are with M. Oumama in Rissani... The 44.5 g that Chladni's (Heirs) purchased come from another dealer. As a result, 2 big mistakes clearly remain, thus the (officially reported) tkw (477 g instead of 1372 g) and the purchase place (Erfoud versus Rissani). I hope my above statings could clear to some extent this issue. I have no access to the mailing list so please could you inform the meteoritical community about these facts so that they appear more clear to all... Respectfully, Mbark --- I can't add anything else but just note that Mbark's report confirms the statements of Martin and Aziz. Perhaps should one suggest the NomCom (Jeff ?) possibly takes into account these remarks for a future correction of the Met. Bull. text regarding NWA 4734. Best wishes, Zelimir NB: heredown is the original mail received from Mbark Ait Lkaid, in French: - Bonsoir Dr.zelimir, je suis mbark ait lkaid (mon surnom est mbark oumama). merci pour l'interet que vous avez envers la nwa 4734. je vais te raconter l'histoire reelle de cette météorite.: j'ai reçu 477gr que j'ai vendus à Habibi puis j'ai reçu les autres pièces faisant 895gr. Habibi a envoyé 20gr à Jambon et la classification provisoire était sous nwa 4683. Jambon a su que je possède les 895gr et il m'a rendu visite .j'ai lui offert 20gr pour une classification de 895. et puisqu'il s'agit du meme caillou il a fait une seule classification sous la nwa 4734. je suis vraiment surpris la semaine denière quant j'ai vu au MB que la nomcom ne declare pas au titre la masse analysé pourtant ils la glisset entre ligne en utilisant juste mon surnom. les 44.5gr de chladni's est achetés d'un autre marchand. donc deux grandes fautes sont bien claires : la masse (477gr/1372gr) et le lieu de vente(Erfoud/Rissani). j'éspère que j'ai pu eclaicir l'affaire un peu. j'ai pas acccés au mailling list.et je vous demande si vous le voulez bien de renseigner la communauté météoritiques de ces faits pour toous sois claire. respect, mbark - A 06:03 23/01/2008 -0800, habibi abdelaziz a écrit : salut zelimir,and bonjour les listoides. about the TKW of nwa 4734 = 477 habibi +895 oumama+ stefan ralew 40 gr or so. total =1412 gr. the stone is complete , so nothing missing, .you can see photo on oumama link. on the pairing 25000km apart they should studies isotope of the two meteorite to see if they have the same ages , in space , and also the same ages in earth. so to do that needs collaboration from the arctic team who ever owned the lap specimen and the nwa4734. two sample from this two stone must be studies and compared to establish the launch-pairing. and here i ask who is doing studies of ages in spaces an earth , is it always dr kisushumi, and for any simple guy ,to see the photo of the two stone you will say they are the same paired. * outside all this fiction , those stone are among the best lunar that i have seen , many collector have slice or sample and they are very pretty and under microscope it's jewelry. so the fact that many scientist didn't arrive to a compromise to give here a name satisfies my curiosity. the first time i have seen this lunar , i sad this is shergotite, than once in my office under microscope i change completely the done. and spent two month dreaming. and i m still dreaming.
