[meteorite-list] NWA 869 classification and description
Many here will be interested that I just released a revised classification and description of NWA 869 in the MetBull Database. http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/index.php?code=31890 Jeff __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - FYI: an L3-6
G'Day Bernd, Al and List Ah yes, the reclassification could be a windfall or a downfall, but very interesting. I don't know how many of those I've given away. Oh well, the recipients were happy, so was I. Cheers John Cabassi IMCA # 2125 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of al mitt Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 4:11 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Bernd V. Pauli Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - FYI: an L3-6 Greetings Bernd and all, That cost me more than a few information cards. Best! --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: "Bernd V. Pauli" To: Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 2:58 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - FYI: an L3-6 > Hello Gary and List, > > Just a few minutes ago, Gary launched an EBay AD and one of his > offerings is a 1 kg lot of NWA 869 L4-6. Interestingly, this "ugly > duckling", which is, in reality, an absolute beauty from the Hot > Deserts of Northwest Africa, has been reclassified as an L3-6 > chondritic regolith breccia by K. Metzler et al. in this MAPS article: > > Metzler K. et al. (2011) The L3-6 chondritic regolith breccia > Northwest Africa (NWA) 869: (I) Petrology, chemistry, oxygen isotopes, > and Ar-Ar age determinations (MAPS 46-5, 2011, pp. 652-680). > > Cheers, > > Bernd > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - FYI: an L3-6
Greetings Bernd and all, That cost me more than a few information cards. Best! --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: "Bernd V. Pauli" To: Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 2:58 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - FYI: an L3-6 Hello Gary and List, Just a few minutes ago, Gary launched an EBay AD and one of his offerings is a 1 kg lot of NWA 869 L4-6. Interestingly, this "ugly duckling", which is, in reality, an absolute beauty from the Hot Deserts of Northwest Africa, has been reclassified as an L3-6 chondritic regolith breccia by K. Metzler et al. in this MAPS article: Metzler K. et al. (2011) The L3-6 chondritic regolith breccia Northwest Africa (NWA) 869: (I) Petrology, chemistry, oxygen isotopes, and Ar-Ar age determinations (MAPS 46-5, 2011, pp. 652-680). Cheers, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 869 - FYI: an L3-6
Hello MikeG and List, "Was the previous classification a L4-6 regolith breccia, or just L4-6?" It was classified as an L4–6 fragmental breccia. In 2008, there was a paper by the same author but different co-authors and then already, these authors proposed NWA 869 should be called an L3-6 regolith breccia. See here: Metzler K. et al. (2008) The L3-6 Regolith Breccia Northwest Africa 869: Petrology, Noble Gases And Cosmogenic Radionuclides (Lunar and Planetary Science XXXIX, 2008, 1120.pdf). In the 2011 MAPS article the authors point out that the variability of olivine compositions ranges from Fa0 to Fa50 and that of low-Ca pyroxenes from Fs0 to Fs35 to justify their proposal to reclassify this desert beauty. Cheers, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - FYI: an L3-6
Hi Bernd and List, Was the previous classification a L4-6 regolith breccia, or just L4-6? Thanks for the update on this. It looks like a lot of us need to change their labels now. :) Best regards, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 5/27/11, Bernd V. Pauli wrote: > Hello Gary and List, > > Just a few minutes ago, Gary launched an EBay AD and one of his offerings > is a 1 kg lot of NWA 869 L4-6. Interestingly, this "ugly duckling", which > is, in reality, an absolute beauty from the Hot Deserts of Northwest Africa, > has been reclassified as an L3–6 chondritic regolith breccia by K. Metzler > et al. in this MAPS article: > > Metzler K. et al. (2011) The L3–6 chondritic regolith breccia Northwest > Africa (NWA) 869: (I) Petrology, chemistry, oxygen isotopes, and Ar-Ar > age determinations (MAPS 46-5, 2011, pp. 652-680). > > Cheers, > > Bernd > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- - Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 869 - FYI: an L3-6
Hello Gary and List, Just a few minutes ago, Gary launched an EBay AD and one of his offerings is a 1 kg lot of NWA 869 L4-6. Interestingly, this "ugly duckling", which is, in reality, an absolute beauty from the Hot Deserts of Northwest Africa, has been reclassified as an L3–6 chondritic regolith breccia by K. Metzler et al. in this MAPS article: Metzler K. et al. (2011) The L3–6 chondritic regolith breccia Northwest Africa (NWA) 869: (I) Petrology, chemistry, oxygen isotopes, and Ar-Ar age determinations (MAPS 46-5, 2011, pp. 652-680). Cheers, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 hui filled
Mahalo to everyone who responded to my hui invitation. All slots are filled, but may take an alternate or two if anyone else is interested - no guarantees For hui members, stay tuned as I will update you shortly with info on shipping. gary On Dec 9, 2010, at 4:50 AM, Gary Fujihara wrote: > Aloha, > > Last call for joining a hui (partnership) to acquire NWA 869 from Morocco. > $140/kg + proportionate shipping. 1kg min to come into the deal as a > partner. > > There are still a few kilos left. Once landed, price goes up... > > Established partners: hang in there, I'll get a confirmation email to you > soon with shipping. If I haven't responded to a prospective partner yet, > shoot me an email. Mahalo nui, > > Gary Fujihara > Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) > 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 > http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ > http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html > (808) 640-9161 > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 869 last call
Aloha, Last call for joining a hui (partnership) to acquire NWA 869 from Morocco. $140/kg + proportionate shipping. 1kg min to come into the deal as a partner. There are still a few kilos left. Once landed, price goes up... Established partners: hang in there, I'll get a confirmation email to you soon with shipping. If I haven't responded to a prospective partner yet, shoot me an email. Mahalo nui, Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 869 lots
I am looking at picking up another large lot of high quality NWA 869 from Morocco. $140/kg + proportionate shipping. 1kg min to come into the deal as a partner. Sent from Gary's iPhone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 869
Aloha listoids, I have a line on an 18kg lot of NWA 869 out of Morocco. It is more than I need, therefore I am offering partnerships in its procurement. I only need a few partners, and minimum buy-in is 2kg. Inquire off list please. Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 869 lot - partners sought
Aloha listees, As some of you may be aware, there is a 25 kilo lot of NWA 869 available in Morocco. I cannot use all 25 kilos, but am interested in pulling 2-5 kilos of smaller 3-20g stones out for my outreach giveaways. I am looking for people in the US interested in partnering on this lot, cost sharing of shipping and wire fees. Looking at ~$120/kg, 2 kilo minimum acquisition for partners, plus proportional expenses of the aforementioned fees. I'll take the risks on bank wiring and shipping. Offlist inquiries please. http://astroday.net/Images/NWA869-25kg1.jpg http://astroday.net/Images/NWA869-25kg2.jpg Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites 105 Puhili Place Hilo, Hawaii 96720 (808) 640-9161 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 869
Hello all; I hope every one have an nice day; for any interessing on NWA 869; enjoy: http://www.flickr.com/photos/36221...@n07/4167236522/; and contact me off the list; best regards Ahmed __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 869 big specimens
Hi Anyone have for sale large specimens of well known NWA 869 ? Im looking for 5-10kg specimen for display. If You still have too many kilo of this well know chondrite, please send me an offer, -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) kosmos [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] nwa 869 (AD)
Hi list.I am looking for an endcut of NWA 869.A 300 to 500 gram endcut.Please off list.Please your best low price. Steve R.Arnold,Chicago! http://chicagometeorites.net/";>http://chicagometeorites.net/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 869 Cabochons
Hello Listoids, I have a fairly simple project in mind that requires the precision cutting and polishing of three separate, rectangular cabs. Width of each would be about 4mm. Length of the long one would be about 3cm and the two shorter ones would be 1cm each. Anyone with the skill and tools to do this please email me offlist. Put the word 'meteorite' in the topic to trigger my email color filters. Thanks, Gary in VT __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 869 coin
I just received my NWA 869 coin today from Mike and it is beautiful. Thanks Mike for making these available to all of us. If you haven't ordered yours yet better get to it. They are well worth having no matter what you call them. Mike, post a picture of these coins to the list so that everyone can see how nice they are. Dave Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 869 coin
Hey Mike, I'd like one of your new coins.Do you have #77 or 55 available? Thanks, Don. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 (still) WANTED
Dean Bessey wrote: the vast majority of NWA869 is small - most under 200 grams anyway. I have gone through more than 3000 kilos of NWA869 and the largest piece that I handled is just over 40 pounds. My best guess is that there were 7000 kilos found On a side-note; What a sight that fall must have been, coming in for a landing! The samples I have, and have seen pictures of, appear fresh and relatively free of terrestrial attached minerals. Does anyone have an estimated time period of fall? Cheers, Pete From: dean bessey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 (still) WANTED Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:49:32 -0700 (PDT) Come on folks, this is relatively "common" material. Surely someone can send me a photo, weight and price - or lead me to a web page URL that has them. > Thanks, Michael > While it is (Or Was) common and large pieces surely exist that could easily make a slice that size the vast majority of NWA869 is small - most under 200 grams anyway. I have gone through more than 3000 kilos of NWA869 and the largest piece that I handled is just over 40 pounds. My best guess is that there were 7000 kilos found so I handled just under half of it. I know its very hard to get a grip on the TKW's of NWAs as the nmoroccans try and hide that info (Which I think is counterproductive as my belief is that NWAs are all undervalued partially because of the TKW deception and we all put a risk premium on more turning up - I know that I wont offer as much for rarer classification material as I normally would because of fears that more will turn up after I buy it) but I think unless something strange turns up my 7000 kilo guess on TKW is the best that anybody will ever come up with. There are bigger pieces I am sure but the rule of the main mass being 20% of the total weight probably isnt true with NWA869. Hence part of the reason why it is harder to get bigger slices. Also, while it was common several years ago the strewnfield has been hunted out more than two years and no new NWA869 has come out in morocco in quite a while now. You couldent buy it in morocco for 10 cents a gram anymore. Actually you would have a hard time getting any from the moroccans at any price nowadays as they just dont have any anymore. A lot of NWA869 has been made into jewelry and (Like gibeon) has left the collector market and it is such a beautiful meteorite that most collectors have more than one. This is partly why supply has been reduced. You still get NWA869 sold cheap on ebay (Especially very small ones) by dealers who have had it for a while and got it cheap and is just reselling it at cost plus rather than by replacement value but NWA869 could no longer be considered "common", at least not in morocco. Sorry, while I probably have some in storage in canada I have none here for sale now. The 2000 or so kilos of NWAs that I have bought since I moved to New Zealand has contained no NWA869 at all. Not even a few small ones mixed into unsorted mixed lots (Like the moroccans were regularly doing 3 years ago just to get rid of them - three years ago, if I bought 400 kilos of mixed unclassified material I could bet that it would be spiked with 40 or 50 kilos of NWA869). How times quickly change Sincerely DEAN www.meteoriteshop.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Dont waste time standing in linetry shopping online. Visit Sympatico / MSN Shopping today! http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 (still) WANTED
Come on folks, this is relatively "common" material. Surely someone can send me a photo, weight and price - or lead me to a web page URL that has them. > Thanks, Michael > While it is (Or Was) common and large pieces surely exist that could easily make a slice that size the vast majority of NWA869 is small - most under 200 grams anyway. I have gone through more than 3000 kilos of NWA869 and the largest piece that I handled is just over 40 pounds. My best guess is that there were 7000 kilos found so I handled just under half of it. I know its very hard to get a grip on the TKW's of NWAs as the nmoroccans try and hide that info (Which I think is counterproductive as my belief is that NWAs are all undervalued partially because of the TKW deception and we all put a risk premium on more turning up - I know that I wont offer as much for rarer classification material as I normally would because of fears that more will turn up after I buy it) but I think unless something strange turns up my 7000 kilo guess on TKW is the best that anybody will ever come up with. There are bigger pieces I am sure but the rule of the main mass being 20% of the total weight probably isnt true with NWA869. Hence part of the reason why it is harder to get bigger slices. Also, while it was common several years ago the strewnfield has been hunted out more than two years and no new NWA869 has come out in morocco in quite a while now. You couldent buy it in morocco for 10 cents a gram anymore. Actually you would have a hard time getting any from the moroccans at any price nowadays as they just dont have any anymore. A lot of NWA869 has been made into jewelry and (Like gibeon) has left the collector market and it is such a beautiful meteorite that most collectors have more than one. This is partly why supply has been reduced. You still get NWA869 sold cheap on ebay (Especially very small ones) by dealers who have had it for a while and got it cheap and is just reselling it at cost plus rather than by replacement value but NWA869 could no longer be considered "common", at least not in morocco. Sorry, while I probably have some in storage in canada I have none here for sale now. The 2000 or so kilos of NWAs that I have bought since I moved to New Zealand has contained no NWA869 at all. Not even a few small ones mixed into unsorted mixed lots (Like the moroccans were regularly doing 3 years ago just to get rid of them - three years ago, if I bought 400 kilos of mixed unclassified material I could bet that it would be spiked with 40 or 50 kilos of NWA869). How times quickly change Sincerely DEAN www.meteoriteshop.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 (still) WANTED
Michael, I would suggest Dean Bessey, believe he was the one who really brought a lot of this meteorite to market. http://www.meteoriteshop.com/index.html Ed Michael L Blood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Still looking for a slice of NWA 869 - about palm size or larger. Surely SOMEONE on the list can provide me with some. This means (a) jpg(s), weight(s) and price(s). So far only two have responded - one sent a photo but no weight or price, the other didn't even send photos.just a vague sort of, yah, I got several of them. Come on folks, this is relatively "common" material. Surely someone can send me a photo, weight and price - or lead me to a web page URL that has them. Thanks, Michael -- If You Want a Nation Ruled By Religion, Move to Iran -- Success is not counted by how high you have climbed but by how many people you brought with you. Anonymous -- I have given two cousins to war and I stand ready to sacrifice my wife's brother. Artemus Ward -- -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 (still) WANTED
NWA 869 ist many common material, sure I not take photo of every piece i have here, in my site I have put only a 1 photo for show the material, for others, seen its all pieces similar, I send only the weight...I not loose time for take photos of this ordinary material Matteo - Original Message - Da : Michael L Blood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A : Meteorite List Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 (still) WANTED Data : Fri, 27 Apr 2007 07:09:20 -0700 > Still looking for a slice of NWA 869 - about > palm size or larger. > Surely SOMEONE on the list can provide > me with some. > This means (a) jpg(s), weight(s) and price(s). > So far only two have responded - one sent > a photo but no weight or price, the other didn't > even send photos.just a vague sort of, yah, I > got several of them. > Come on folks, this is relatively "common" > material. Surely someone can send me a photo, > weight and price - or lead me to a web page URL > that has them. > Thanks, Michael > > > > > > > -- > If You Want a Nation Ruled By Religion, Move to Iran > -- > Success is not counted by how high you have climbed but by > how many people you brought with you. Anonymous > -- > I have given two cousins to war and I stand > ready to sacrifice my wife's brother. > Artemus Ward > -- > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 (still) WANTED
Still looking for a slice of NWA 869 - about palm size or larger. Surely SOMEONE on the list can provide me with some. This means (a) jpg(s), weight(s) and price(s). So far only two have responded - one sent a photo but no weight or price, the other didn't even send photos.just a vague sort of, yah, I got several of them. Come on folks, this is relatively "common" material. Surely someone can send me a photo, weight and price - or lead me to a web page URL that has them. Thanks, Michael -- If You Want a Nation Ruled By Religion, Move to Iran -- Success is not counted by how high you have climbed but by how many people you brought with you. Anonymous -- I have given two cousins to war and I stand ready to sacrifice my wife's brother. Artemus Ward -- -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - Ugly duckling with a heart of gold
I couldn't agree more! My specimen (two halves of a single completely-crusted, well-preserved individual) will remain with me even as I unload many of my rarer stones, having nearly 10% of its cut brecciated surface area occupied by a dark inclusion, and the remainder shared rather evenly by two dissimilar, completely distinct quasi-unequilibrated regions of creamy L4-5 and blue-grey L3.7-4, consisting mostly of large, opaque white undeformed chondrules (arguably appearing like a 3.7 fabric in other stones). -Thaddeus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NWA 869 is one of those Hot Desert meteorites whose beauty has often been undervalued just because there is so much of it available and because some of these specimens are weathered or look "ugly". Fellow list member Christian Anger and several other collectors are the proud owners of extremely beautiful NWA 869 individuals with stunningly fresh crusts and breathtaking interiors. As for the "heart of gold", just look at the RFS picture of the day for March 27th, 2006. It shows my NWA 869 thin section in cross-polarized light. Now, if this is "ugly", then I do not know what ugly is ;-) It's one of my thin section favorites! See it here: http://www.spacerocksinc.com/March_27.html Cheers, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - Ugly duckling with a heart of gold
Hi Bernd, Gary and all, Does anyone know for sure who has the largest mass of NWA869? I've never really been able to figure that one out since so much of this material is around. I myself am owner of a 20 kilo specimen. Perhaps some sold to owners who don't want to advertise. It be fun to have people know if you have a single mass over 4 kilograms of this material. --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 869 - Ugly duckling with a heart of gold
NWA 869 is one of those Hot Desert meteorites whose beauty has often been undervalued just because there is so much of it available and because some of these specimens are weathered or look "ugly". Fellow list member Christian Anger and several other collectors are the proud owners of extremely beautiful NWA 869 individuals with stunningly fresh crusts and breathtaking interiors. As for the "heart of gold", just look at the RFS picture of the day for March 27th, 2006. It shows my NWA 869 thin section in cross-polarized light. Now, if this is "ugly", then I do not know what ugly is ;-) It's one of my thin section favorites! See it here: http://www.spacerocksinc.com/March_27.html Cheers, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 TKW
We had it on the list here. According to assertions and estimations from dealers and Morocco travellers, it should be something around 4-5 tons. But of course not confirmed, as one can't check every single stone and it's only an rough estimation, derived from the circumstance that NWA869er stones are looking very characteristic compared to the average desert stuff. We never will know, that's the crux with most NWAs, but certainly it must have been one of the largest stones ever found. Buckleboo! Martin - Original Message - From: "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 12:20 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 TKW > Hi list.Now that nwa 869 has that name,has a determination been made yet > on the TKW of nwa 869?Or about as close as you can get?I would like to > know.Thanks and have a great day. > > >steve arnold,chicago > > Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 > > > Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! > > > website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 869 TKW
Hi list.Now that nwa 869 has that name,has a determination been made yet on the TKW of nwa 869?Or about as close as you can get?I would like to know.Thanks and have a great day. steve arnold,chicago Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by NomCom
Dear Jeff, at least so much thanks as there are individuals existing out there of this stone. all the best from Austria, Christian IMCA #2673 at www.imca.cc website: www.austromet.com Christian Anger Korngasse 6 2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg AUSTRIA email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Grossman Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 4:08 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by NomCom It's finally happened: NWA 869 has been recognized as an official meteorite name by the Nomenclature Committee. Thanks again to all of you who wrote to me last summer with info on this. jeff http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=31890 Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by NomCom
Dr. Grossman; Thank you for your great announcement.I know everyone has been looking for this naming for a long time.I really appreciate the posts you make to this list,it brings an air of science to the collecting community. Thank you very much.Herman Archer. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 869 - terrestrial age
Darren wondered: "Has anyone made any guesses as to the terrestrial age of 869? I ask because a rock that big must have produced a HUGE fireball and smoke trail. Even with sparse populations in that area, surely people saw it fall. Are there any folk tales or legends (or memories of old people, if the fall was recent enough) that seem to represent a massive meteor?" Good question! With a weathering degree of "only" 1 (W1), it should be a fairly recent fall. Some of Christian Anger's spectacular specimens have fusion crusts as fresh as can be! Cheers, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by NomCom
It would be thousands of years old in my opinion, many stones are half eaten away by sandblasting, some are perfect that were buried. It would have been a sight one would never forget though, likely brighter than the sun, thousands of kilos and tens of thousands of pieces when it exploded! Mike - Original Message - From: "Darren Garrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by NomCom Has anyone made any guesses as to the terrestrial age of 869? I ask because a rock that big must have produced a HUGE fireball and smoke trail. Even with sparse populations in that area, surely people saw it fall. Are there any folk tales or legends (or memories of old people, if the fall was recent enough) that seem to represent a massive meteor? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by NomCom
Has anyone made any guesses as to the terrestrial age of 869? I ask because a rock that big must have produced a HUGE fireball and smoke trail. Even with sparse populations in that area, surely people saw it fall. Are there any folk tales or legends (or memories of old people, if the fall was recent enough) that seem to represent a massive meteor? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by NomCom
Ohhh what nice persons whe have here Matteo --- Mark Rexburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: > Matteo, lei è idiota. > > Welcome back Steve Arnold. > > Mark > > > >From: M come Meteorite Meteorites > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by > NomCom > >Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:34:58 +0100 (CET) > > > >Its all classificated from 2004 and this is not > appear > >in the last bulletin, when other meteorites, found > 4-5 > >months ago is immediatly appear in the last > >bulletin...many strange this. My laboratory have > sent > >several emails with all analysis ready, but not > have > >received any answer! The meteorites its > classificated > >from Museo di Scienze Planetarie of Prato, well > know > >from the Met.Society and for every piece I have > give > >20 grams or the 20% of the mass. > > > >happy Farmer? > > > > > > > >--- Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha > >scritto: > > > > > Matteo, cant you just be happy? > > > One of the worlds top meteorite scientists gives > us > > > good news and again, you > > > come back with a smart remark whining about > > > something. > > > Here are some questions for you. > > > Who classified your meteorites? > > > Who submitted them? > > > Were the proper type specimens donated? > > > I know a lot of people refuse to submit the type > > > specimen and still expect > > > their meteorites to be accepted. > > > > > > I bet there is a reason yours did not show up. > > > Mike Farmer > > > > > > > > > Thanks Jeff, that will greatly assist all of us > who > > > have NWA 869. > > > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "M come Meteorite Meteorites" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 8:11 AM > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved > by > > > NomCom > > > > > > > > > > well, now I hope to see listed my other 80 > NWA's I > > > am > > > > under waith to see in the met.bulletinand > the > > > > others > > > > > > > > Matteo > > > > > > > > --- Jeff Grossman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha > scritto: > > > > > > > >> It's finally happened: NWA 869 has been > > > recognized > > > >> as an official > > > >> meteorite name by the Nomenclature Committee. > > > Thanks > > > >> again to all of > > > >> you who wrote to me last summer with info on > > > this. > > > >> > > > >> jeff > > > >> > > > >> > > > > http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=31890 > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) > > > 648-6184 > > > >> US Geological Survey fax: (703) > > > 648-6383 > > > >> 954 National Center > > > >> Reston, VA 20192, USA > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > __ > > > >> Meteorite-list mailing list > > > >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > >> > > > > > > > > >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato > > > > Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, > VENEZIA, > > > ITALY > > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it > > > > Collection Site: > http://www.mcomemeteorite.info > > > > MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com > > > > > > > > >EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e > allegati > > > da 10MB > > > > http://mail.yahoo.it > > > > __ > > > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > > > Meteorite-list@meteoritece
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by NomCom
Come on guys! Let's stop it. The list has been great, good info, interesting subjects. No more of this crap! Happy meteorite thoughts! With best regards, Moni From: "Mark Rexburg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by NomCom Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:48:53 -0800 Matteo, lei è idiota. Welcome back Steve Arnold. Mark From: M come Meteorite Meteorites <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by NomCom Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:34:58 +0100 (CET) Its all classificated from 2004 and this is not appear in the last bulletin, when other meteorites, found 4-5 months ago is immediatly appear in the last bulletin...many strange this. My laboratory have sent several emails with all analysis ready, but not have received any answer! The meteorites its classificated from Museo di Scienze Planetarie of Prato, well know from the Met.Society and for every piece I have give 20 grams or the 20% of the mass. happy Farmer? --- Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: > Matteo, cant you just be happy? > One of the worlds top meteorite scientists gives us > good news and again, you > come back with a smart remark whining about > something. > Here are some questions for you. > Who classified your meteorites? > Who submitted them? > Were the proper type specimens donated? > I know a lot of people refuse to submit the type > specimen and still expect > their meteorites to be accepted. > > I bet there is a reason yours did not show up. > Mike Farmer > > > Thanks Jeff, that will greatly assist all of us who > have NWA 869. > > > > - Original Message - > From: "M come Meteorite Meteorites" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 8:11 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by > NomCom > > > > well, now I hope to see listed my other 80 NWA's I > am > > under waith to see in the met.bulletinand the > > others > > > > Matteo > > > > --- Jeff Grossman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: > > > >> It's finally happened: NWA 869 has been > recognized > >> as an official > >> meteorite name by the Nomenclature Committee. > Thanks > >> again to all of > >> you who wrote to me last summer with info on > this. > >> > >> jeff > >> > >> > http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=31890 > >> > >> > >> Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) > 648-6184 > >> US Geological Survey fax: (703) > 648-6383 > >> 954 National Center > >> Reston, VA 20192, USA > >> > >> > >> __ > >> Meteorite-list mailing list > >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >> > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >> > > > > > > M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato > > Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, > ITALY > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it > > Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info > > MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com > > > EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati > da 10MB > > http://mail.yahoo.it > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by NomCom
Matteo, lei è idiota. Welcome back Steve Arnold. Mark From: M come Meteorite Meteorites <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by NomCom Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:34:58 +0100 (CET) Its all classificated from 2004 and this is not appear in the last bulletin, when other meteorites, found 4-5 months ago is immediatly appear in the last bulletin...many strange this. My laboratory have sent several emails with all analysis ready, but not have received any answer! The meteorites its classificated from Museo di Scienze Planetarie of Prato, well know from the Met.Society and for every piece I have give 20 grams or the 20% of the mass. happy Farmer? --- Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: > Matteo, cant you just be happy? > One of the worlds top meteorite scientists gives us > good news and again, you > come back with a smart remark whining about > something. > Here are some questions for you. > Who classified your meteorites? > Who submitted them? > Were the proper type specimens donated? > I know a lot of people refuse to submit the type > specimen and still expect > their meteorites to be accepted. > > I bet there is a reason yours did not show up. > Mike Farmer > > > Thanks Jeff, that will greatly assist all of us who > have NWA 869. > > > > - Original Message - > From: "M come Meteorite Meteorites" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 8:11 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by > NomCom > > > > well, now I hope to see listed my other 80 NWA's I > am > > under waith to see in the met.bulletinand the > > others > > > > Matteo > > > > --- Jeff Grossman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: > > > >> It's finally happened: NWA 869 has been > recognized > >> as an official > >> meteorite name by the Nomenclature Committee. > Thanks > >> again to all of > >> you who wrote to me last summer with info on > this. > >> > >> jeff > >> > >> > http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=31890 > >> > >> > >> Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) > 648-6184 > >> US Geological Survey fax: (703) > 648-6383 > >> 954 National Center > >> Reston, VA 20192, USA > >> > >> > >> __ > >> Meteorite-list mailing list > >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >> > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >> > > > > > > M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato > > Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, > ITALY > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it > > Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info > > MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com > > > EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati > da 10MB > > http://mail.yahoo.it > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by NomCom
Its all classificated from 2004 and this is not appear in the last bulletin, when other meteorites, found 4-5 months ago is immediatly appear in the last bulletin...many strange this. My laboratory have sent several emails with all analysis ready, but not have received any answer! The meteorites its classificated from Museo di Scienze Planetarie of Prato, well know from the Met.Society and for every piece I have give 20 grams or the 20% of the mass. happy Farmer? --- Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: > Matteo, cant you just be happy? > One of the worlds top meteorite scientists gives us > good news and again, you > come back with a smart remark whining about > something. > Here are some questions for you. > Who classified your meteorites? > Who submitted them? > Were the proper type specimens donated? > I know a lot of people refuse to submit the type > specimen and still expect > their meteorites to be accepted. > > I bet there is a reason yours did not show up. > Mike Farmer > > > Thanks Jeff, that will greatly assist all of us who > have NWA 869. > > > > - Original Message - > From: "M come Meteorite Meteorites" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 8:11 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by > NomCom > > > > well, now I hope to see listed my other 80 NWA's I > am > > under waith to see in the met.bulletinand the > > others > > > > Matteo > > > > --- Jeff Grossman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: > > > >> It's finally happened: NWA 869 has been > recognized > >> as an official > >> meteorite name by the Nomenclature Committee. > Thanks > >> again to all of > >> you who wrote to me last summer with info on > this. > >> > >> jeff > >> > >> > http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=31890 > >> > >> > >> Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) > 648-6184 > >> US Geological Survey fax: (703) > 648-6383 > >> 954 National Center > >> Reston, VA 20192, USA > >> > >> > >> __ > >> Meteorite-list mailing list > >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >> > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >> > > > > > > M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato > > Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, > ITALY > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it > > Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info > > MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com > > > EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati > da 10MB > > http://mail.yahoo.it > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by NomCom
Matteo, cant you just be happy? One of the worlds top meteorite scientists gives us good news and again, you come back with a smart remark whining about something. Here are some questions for you. Who classified your meteorites? Who submitted them? Were the proper type specimens donated? I know a lot of people refuse to submit the type specimen and still expect their meteorites to be accepted. I bet there is a reason yours did not show up. Mike Farmer Thanks Jeff, that will greatly assist all of us who have NWA 869. - Original Message - From: "M come Meteorite Meteorites" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by NomCom well, now I hope to see listed my other 80 NWA's I am under waith to see in the met.bulletinand the others Matteo --- Jeff Grossman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: It's finally happened: NWA 869 has been recognized as an official meteorite name by the Nomenclature Committee. Thanks again to all of you who wrote to me last summer with info on this. jeff http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=31890 Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by NomCom
well, now I hope to see listed my other 80 NWA's I am under waith to see in the met.bulletinand the others Matteo --- Jeff Grossman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: > It's finally happened: NWA 869 has been recognized > as an official > meteorite name by the Nomenclature Committee. Thanks > again to all of > you who wrote to me last summer with info on this. > > jeff > > http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=31890 > > > Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 > US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 > 954 National Center > Reston, VA 20192, USA > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by NomCom
It's finally happened: NWA 869 has been recognized as an official meteorite name by the Nomenclature Committee. Thanks again to all of you who wrote to me last summer with info on this. jeff http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=31890 Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 869 fa & fs #'s????
Hello List, if there is still anyone out there. Does anyone happen to know the fa and fs of NWA 869 ? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier <>< __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: RE : [meteorite-list] NWA 869
Hola Michel, That is quite an enlightening story that is most fantastic though also disheartening. Based on the "coordinates" you published in Met. Bulletin #88, it seems that the strewn field is of the order of 1500 to 2000 square kilometers - perhaps 5 or 10 times larger than that of the 1969 Mexican fall over el pueblito de Allende, much larger than Sikhote-Alin, Toluca and Campo del Cielo, if I understand the way the minutes are expressed in the publication. Could you very kindly tell us how much the Area [I am sure you know the formula but I put it here for others interested in this] approximates = the NET product of (Pi/4)x(long axis)x(short axis)?, example 3.14/4x(40km)x(60km) = 1885 km2 I don't think any other meteorite strewn field has been documented to be this size - twice the size of metropolitan Paris ... it even sounds surrealist for me to imagine. Hopefully your pioneering field work on this great, relatively fresh and incredibly beautiful Sahara 02500 will be recognized as one of the finest field works of all time when things become more friendly for meteoritically driven kind nomads like you. If nothing else we can all visit back there as friends and the help of the touch of a kind snake we meet in the desert... Saludos, Doug Michel F. wrote: Hi list, Hello Jeff, Interesting topic. I am the one that had 410 kg classified as Sahara 02500. L3.8 etc... I have the coordinates of the 64 first individuals found. ( And I have drawn the ellipse of the fall. For many reasons I choose not to disclose the coordinates.) The people working for me searched and found more, on the field 3 times. We gave to the Nom Com a full report of our work. It was partially published. On the same field we recovered also other meteorites. It is almost very easy to visually identify it from other meteorites. When I have doubt I used a SM30 to mesure the magnetic susceptibility of the specimen. It' s a good cross check, not an anlayse. I will not be surprised that other teams went on the field to recover more, as we had no exclusivity of any search in the Sahara. It could be what is commonly called 869. From what I have seen in different shows, Sahara 02500 and 869 look pretty similar. I don't know, as I never tested a 869 specimen with the SM 30, nor had any accurate location for the 869. I will argue that i am not interested in trying a pairing with meteorites that I have not recovered, knowing all sorts of discussion about pairing that we had on this list and elsewhere too. I discussed that with Ted Bunch in Tucson. He made a compementary study on some big inclusions that are commonly found in this meteorite and he was surprized that he could not publish it because 869 has never been published! He should have made his work from my samples ! We had a good laugh. About these inclusions, some are chondritic, some achondritic, but it very rare to find achondritic material in it, according what I know today. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] nwa 869
I like my 550 gram slice of nwa 869.I got it from dean bessey.I hope they do decide to keep that name.It is diffenently one of the most talked about meteorites I have ever seen.And it is so cheap to buy.It is a great meteorite to show around to schools and seminars.I am home now and it is the most relaxing vaca I have ever had.It is good to be home. steve arnold, chicago Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE : [meteorite-list] NWA 869
Hi list, Hello Jeff, Interesting topic. I am the one that had 410 kg classified as Sahara 02500. L3.8 etc... I have the coordinates of the 64 first individuals found. ( And I have drawn the ellipse of the fall. For many reasons I choose not to disclose the coordinates.) The people working for me searched and found more, on the field 3 times. We gave to the Nom Com a full report of our work. It was partially published. On the same field we recovered also other meteorites. It is almost very easy to visually identify it from other meteorites. When I have doubt I used a SM30 to mesure the magnetic susceptibility of the specimen. It' s a good cross check, not an anlayse. I will not be surprised that other teams went on the field to recover more, as we had no exclusivity of any search in the Sahara. It could be what is commonly called 869. From what I have seen in different shows, Sahara 02500 and 869 look pretty similar. I don't know, as I never tested a 869 specimen with the SM 30, nor had any accurate location for the 869. I will argue that i am not interested in trying a pairing with meteorites that I have not recovered, knowing all sorts of discussion about pairing that we had on this list and elsewhere too. I discussed that with Ted Bunch in Tucson. He made a compementary study on some big inclusions that are commonly found in this meteorite and he was surprized that he could not publish it because 869 has never been published! He should have made his work from my samples ! We had a good laugh. About these inclusions, some are chondritic, some achondritic, but it very rare to find achondritic material in it, according what I know today. Today, I am 55, and I am retired of these salvage huntings, which will be called plundering in some years. Since 2001, things moved a lot and I will not prospect without a permit anywhere in the Sahara. I am not ready to experience the Omanese jails, nor any other Saharan jail. Today, I say also that it is difficult, if not impossible, to export meteorites from the Sahara with all legal documentation. When I say meteorites I say meteorites not minerals, of course. My 2 cents. Michel FRANCO > -Message d'origine- > De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] De la > part de Jeff Grossman > Envoyé : lundi 13 juin 2005 14:23 > À : meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Objet : [meteorite-list] NWA 869 > > > Okay list, time to make yourselves useful... > > Everybody wants the NomCom to publish and make official the name NWA > 869. So please, if you know anything, help contribute to the > facts so I > can produce a writeup for submission to the committee. > > Here's what I've got: > > * At least 400 kg of material has been sold out of markets in > Morocco under > this name. > > * Alan Rubin classified a piece. It was a fragmental > breccia, probably > L4-6. A thin section of L5 material gave Fa24.2, S3, W1. > > So what's the rest of the story? How much is out actually > there? When did > it appear on the market? Is it all coming from one > finder/dealer? Is the > find location known? Is it really L4-6 (is this the right > range)? Is it > all coming from the same fall, or is the name NWA 869 a > garbage can for all > kinds of unclassified ordinary chondrites? What large stones are in > collections? Are other NWAs paired with 869? Which? > > Please reply to the list only... I don't need a separate copy. > > jeff > > Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 > US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 > 954 National Center > Reston, VA 20192, USA > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 869
I'd tend to go with Bernd's earlier observation that it should probably include type 3. I have the small main mass of NWA 1266 which I felt after it arrived, may be paired with NWA 869. It is classified as L3-6 and the weathering, shock & Fa all pretty much match 869. In fact, I would not be surprised if there were literally DOZENS of 869's out there, inadvertently classified under other numbers. Cheers, Jeff Kuyken I.M.C.A. #3085 www.meteorites.com.au - Original Message - From: Jeff Pringle To: Dave Freeman mjwy Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] RE: NWA 869 Dave & list - >handle a few kilo's of 869, and you will get the idea. It just seems >that if you want to get 'NWA 869' out of the garbage can and into the Met. >Bulletin, *somebody* has to articulate what makes one slightly weathered, >brecciated L4-6 'NWA 869', and another one not - since it's sold by every >meteorite middleman out there (and half the time as 'unclassified'), it'd >be interesting to see how everyone's lists of features match up, too, don't >you think? The main thing specifically mentioned on 869 sale pages is occasional 'dark inclusions' - surely there are other diagnostic features? Several websites claim it is 'paired with' or 'sold as' NWA 787, NWA 900 - "and other numbers" - how many others? Which ones? This list might be the best place to gather that information, or determine that what everyone has been calling NWA 869 is actually NWA something else, already classified with an erroneous TKW. Or is that a can of chondrules not to be opened? Jeff __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 869 format correction
Reformat of previous message - Dave & list - handle a few kilo's of 869, and you will get the idea. It just seems that if you want to get 'NWA 869' out of the garbage can and into the Met. Bulletin, *somebody* has to articulate what makes one slightly weathered, brecciated L4-6 'NWA 869', and another one not - since it's sold by every meteorite middleman out there (and half the time as 'unclassified'), it'd be interesting to see how everyone's lists of features match up, too, don't you think? The main thing specifically mentioned on 869 sale pages is occasional 'dark inclusions' - surely there are other diagnostic features? Several websites claim it is 'paired with' or 'sold as' NWA 787, NWA 900 - "and other numbers" - how many others? Which ones? This list might be the best place to gather that information, or determine that what everyone has been calling NWA 869 is actually NWA something else, already classified with an erroneous TKW. Or is that a can of chondrules not to be opened? Jeff __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 continued....
Hello Doug, I apologize if I misread your e-mail, but as I have stated before you are hard to read at times. The second part of your e-mail I omitted, seemed to be a question on Nom. Com. standards, which is why I left if off. I was being a little defensive, which is spawned from a pattern you seem to have on replying to my list e-mails, or so it seems to me. If you look over the last few months, when we have stumbled, I post something, you reply and usually throw 20-40 adjectives at me in long paragraphs, which are somewhat aggressive, if not somewhat insulting towards me. I usually try defending myself on a couple of your comments, you fire a few more aggressive comments at me and I let you have last word. You will not find a case in the archives where I replied to you first. I imagine I over reacted, but look in the archives on our discussions and you might understand why I might do such. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 continued....
Mark B. wrote: >Hello again list, >Doug wrote, after quoting me... "Colleagues, some of you could really give >the scientists a run for their money.." >I think that is a little hard, as I have just given you my observations. I >would rather tell you what I have observed, rather then repeat what others >have said. Now if you have observations on the meteorite, I would rather >hear them then observations on my observations. List, My observation is that the ranges heard are L3-L6, for NWA 869, where Mark truncated my sentence and butchered my thought is "...I personally can't even tell the difference from the outside (and don't cut nor have computerized inventories) between a lot of NWA 869 I saw and Sahara 02500, L3, Fa = 26% +/- 2%, S2, W1 Met Bul. 88, big strewn field, many stones." Mark's disagreement explaining why it is not L3.8 further supports a possible pairing to me. Why Mark, bother posting your observations of my supposed observations of your observations? My head hurts in empathy. Regarding the things your royal dithers would rather be hearing, you edited them all out of my post:(. (introducing your own bias and interpretations in the discusion, but then again this is the list which has its "limitations"). Anyway, you're not a dude to joke with, comprendo. The only reason I quoted from your post was the fact that you were the first to bring up the L3/L3.8 issue which according to you, "others" were considering as classification of NWA 869, although you disapproved. Of course you went on to discount not only L3, but ruled out to some extent L4 and L6 in your stream of thinking - not something I paid a terrible amount of attention to it at this fact gathering stage. Not having someone else who positively suggested L3's, I conveniently pasted your comment about L3's and Jeff's about L4-6 together. Had George Bush or Vicente Fox posted it was an L3, I would have quoted him instead, and unfortunately Bernd arrived positively exposing L3, on the scene, too late for me. I'll try being less lazy next time and avoid trying to make something useful out of what you say as support. My post is repeated unbutchered below for your convenience. If you have any comments on the possible pairing of Sahara 02500, nah...errr...keep 'em to yourself. But that was one question that was asked by Jeff G., and I hope my observation proves useful to him as he has a heavy order in submitting 869...although I am sure Mark's are infinitely superior and more robust. Saludos, Doug POST BEFORE BUTCHERED BY MARK: Jeff G. wrote: "It was a fragmental breccia, probably L4-6. A thin section of L5 material gave Fa24.2, S3, W1." Mark B. thinks: The lighters parts of the meteorite do not show nice abundent chondrules in a thin section from what I have seen. (To make the L3.8 as some have been selling it.) Despite what it looks like in a hand specimen. The darker parts of the meteorite is a shocked portion of the lighter part. Colleagues, some of you could really give the scientists a run for their money - I personally can't even tell the difference from the outside (and don't cut nor have computerized inventories) between a lot of NWA 869 I saw and Sahara 02500, L3, Fa = 26% +/- 2%, S2, W1 Met Bul. 88, big strewn field, many stones. It looks like the Sahara 02500 researchers and suppliers, for example, on the other hand, have done a fantastic job keeping the stock clean for 2500, but given all the fingers in the pot for NWA 869 it is hard to imagine the same. How could NWA 869 be assigned a weight and name based on this, technically, by NomCom rules? I am confused but hope it is possible since a lot has not all been classified in accordance to the dense desert protocol. Could the characteristic greenish tinge be used as an exceptional and unique defining characteristic of NWA 869, and treat this exception as if it were a non-dense fall? Why not, if it can be truly shown to be unique nomenclature should accomodate logic...on such a grand scale. What, exactly causes the characteristic: environment or unique composition is an important question? This would be the angle great to be hearing more. But then, if we go that route - I would think it should have a real alphabet soup name to be more consistent with this type of nominative exception and what to do if it has already been classified by another number Good luck Jeff, with this usually very exquisite and sensitive meteorite(s). Saludos, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 869 Micro Photo's
Hello List, With all the talk about NWA 869 I thought I would upload some of my favorite pic's to my Webshots site for you all. Some of the inclusions and chondrules are a bit nutty looking and definately deserve a look! http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=viewall&albumID=368729656&ran=5173ook. Enjoy, Larry __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869
Hi Mark and List I can't say it better than it has, but what I can say to those who question NWA 869 as being an interesting meteorite, you have to experience it first hand. No picture will give you the one to one comparison you need to compare with other varieties that this find as produced. I've made and sold a few thin sections of NWA 869, and they are all fun to explore. You see all kinds of chondrules, and a mix of matrix types. Since its still an inexpensive stone, buy from a couple different dealers, cut some slices, polish them a little to knock down saw marks, break out the lens and just explore. You won't see better in any picture anywhere and you can then draw your own conclusions. Mark Ferguson, not to be confused with MarkF or MarkB, as I'm not as knowledgable as they. - Original Message - From: "MARK BOSTICK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 Hello Jeff and list, (Sent only to the list as Jeff requested...) Mike noted: "NWA 869 is found in Algeria, there to my knowledge, is over 2000 kilograms of it!" 2000 kg. is if anythinga low number. I would be surprized it the total weight was not twice that, if not 5000 kg. We did not see this the last year, but the two Tucson shows before this year, there were a dozen Moroccan dealers with 100's of kg. for sale. I have sold over 150 kg. I bet Dean has moved a ton or moreliterally. It is not a garbage can meteorite. It is very easy to identify and one of the best looking meteorites from Africa. The garbage can comment originated from an upset dealer being somewhat misleading. "It was a fragmental breccia, probably L4-6. A thin section of L5 material gave Fa24.2, S3, W1." I agree with Rubin's classification information. I think it should be noted as an L5. The lighters parts of the meteorite do not show nice abundent chondrules in a thin section from what I have seen. (To make the L3.8 as some have been selling it.) Despite what it looks like in a hand specimen. The darker parts of the meteorite is a shocked portion of the lighter part. The breccia I think is the red inclusions. I have several pieces here that show the sometimes large red matrix melted faster in the atmosphere then the other matrix. I will try to post some photos of this later if I have time. (Things are still a little crazy around here.) Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 869 continued....
Hello again list, Doug wrote, after quoting me... "Colleagues, some of you could really give the scientists a run for their money.." I think that is a little hard, as I have just given you my observations. I would rather tell you what I have observed, rather then repeat what others have said. Now if you have observations on the meteorite, I would rather hear them then observations on my observations. Bernd noted on his specimen, "This incorporated (xenolithic?) fragment has crisp, sharply delineated chondrules almost "wall to wall" with hardly any matrix material between the chondrules." As I wrote, I agree with Rubin, which my understanding would mean it is a "L5 Fractual Breccia, S3, W1 Fa 24.2." Some pieces do have what appear to be very nice chondrules, however as I noted I have not seen this in a thin section. Classification is more what it looks like in a thin section, rather a hand specimen from my understanding. Now, many other list members have made or bought NWA 869 thin sections, I bet we have a few hundred between us. Perhaps someone could post a few photos of thin sections with the reported L3.8 host. I can't do such from my NWA 869 thin sections, which is what I was saying. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869
Concerning NWA 869 I have in my possession tree fragments: - m1 = (630 ± 0,5) g that I bought from Dean Bessey - m2 = (65,4 ± 0,1) g bought from Walter Branch - m3 = (41,3 ± 0,1) g bought from Walter Branch Vincent - Original Message - From: "Jeff Grossman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 8:22 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 Okay list, time to make yourselves useful... Everybody wants the NomCom to publish and make official the name NWA 869. So please, if you know anything, help contribute to the facts so I can produce a writeup for submission to the committee. Here's what I've got: * At least 400 kg of material has been sold out of markets in Morocco under this name. * Alan Rubin classified a piece. It was a fragmental breccia, probably L4-6. A thin section of L5 material gave Fa24.2, S3, W1. So what's the rest of the story? How much is out actually there? When did it appear on the market? Is it all coming from one finder/dealer? Is the find location known? Is it really L4-6 (is this the right range)? Is it all coming from the same fall, or is the name NWA 869 a garbage can for all kinds of unclassified ordinary chondrites? What large stones are in collections? Are other NWAs paired with 869? Which? Please reply to the list only... I don't need a separate copy. jeff Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869
1 @ 4 kg and 1 @ 640 gr. David H. --- Bob Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Count me in for about 8 kilos of NWA 869 headed to the saw very soon. > > Bob > - Original Message - > From: "Jeff Grossman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 7:22 AM > Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 > > > > Okay list, time to make yourselves useful... > > > > Everybody wants the NomCom to publish and make official the name NWA 869. > > So please, if you know anything, help contribute to the facts so I can > > produce a writeup for submission to the committee. > > > > Here's what I've got: > > > > * At least 400 kg of material has been sold out of markets in Morocco > > under this name. > > > > * Alan Rubin classified a piece. It was a fragmental breccia, probably > > L4-6. A thin section of L5 material gave Fa24.2, S3, W1. > > > > So what's the rest of the story? How much is out actually there? When > > did it appear on the market? Is it all coming from one finder/dealer? Is > > the find location known? Is it really L4-6 (is this the right range)? Is > > it all coming from the same fall, or is the name NWA 869 a garbage can for > > all kinds of unclassified ordinary chondrites? What large stones are in > > collections? Are other NWAs paired with 869? Which? > > > > Please reply to the list only... I don't need a separate copy. > > > > jeff > > > > Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 > > US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 > > 954 National Center > > Reston, VA 20192, USA > > > > > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Here is the price of freedom, your every drop of courage, ounce of pain, pint of blood. Paid in advance. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869
Count me in for about 8 kilos of NWA 869 headed to the saw very soon. Bob - Original Message - From: "Jeff Grossman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 7:22 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 Okay list, time to make yourselves useful... Everybody wants the NomCom to publish and make official the name NWA 869. So please, if you know anything, help contribute to the facts so I can produce a writeup for submission to the committee. Here's what I've got: * At least 400 kg of material has been sold out of markets in Morocco under this name. * Alan Rubin classified a piece. It was a fragmental breccia, probably L4-6. A thin section of L5 material gave Fa24.2, S3, W1. So what's the rest of the story? How much is out actually there? When did it appear on the market? Is it all coming from one finder/dealer? Is the find location known? Is it really L4-6 (is this the right range)? Is it all coming from the same fall, or is the name NWA 869 a garbage can for all kinds of unclassified ordinary chondrites? What large stones are in collections? Are other NWAs paired with 869? Which? Please reply to the list only... I don't need a separate copy. jeff Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869
Darren Garrison wrote: On 13 Jun 2005 20:44:54 UT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Both Göran and Darren have offered to host my pictures so you should all be able to take a look soon. Thanks to Göran and to Darren! Photos are here: http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/met/ ... and repeated here too ... http://www.meteorite.neab.net/pictures/Berndt/ Does anyone have a number on shock and weathering grade for NWA869 ? /Göran __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869
On 13 Jun 2005 20:44:54 UT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Both Göran and Darren have offered to host my >pictures so you should all be able to take a >look soon. Thanks to Göran and to Darren! > Photos are here: http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/met/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 869
Both Göran and Darren have offered to host my pictures so you should all be able to take a look soon. Thanks to Göran and to Darren! Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869
Meteoryt.net wrote: 2000 kg. is if anythinga low number. I would be surprized it the total weight was not twice that, if not 5000 kg. We did not see this the last year, but the two Tucson shows before this year, there were a dozen Moroccan dealers with 100's of kg. for sale. so hot its possible that the most popular meteorite with "his own" NWA number was not classified for all this years ? I think its the bigger mystery of meteorite community. We fight here who own which number, and for which specimens and TKW, and from the other side everyone selling unidentified stones as unofficial, not classified, Met Bulletin ghost number NWA869. :)) If I may make a guess on that question It hasn't been classified because nobody wants to stick their neck (and reputation) out to put a number on one of the most variable meteorites. Whatever class you will put on it someone will find a piece of it that contradicts it. What is needed is a doctoral student that could spend a couple of years writing reports on this meteorite. Anyone wants to hire me? I'm interested in that work. :-) /Göran __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 869
Hello Eight-Sixty-Niners, While I do agree with this statement: "a fragmental breccia, probably L4-6" especially the L4-6 range, ... .. I don't agree with that statement: "I think it should be noted as an L5". One of my NWA 869 endpieces (weighs 110.1 grams) from Dean clearly shows L3 (maybe L3.8 or even lower) or L4 fragments set in a much more highly metamorphosed host matrix (L5 or L6). This incorporated (xenolithic?) fragment has crisp, sharply delineated chondrules almost "wall to wall" with hardly any matrix material between the chondrules. I've just taken a quick digital shot but can't post pics. If anyone is interested in seeing this chondrule-rich "inset" (it is really worth a look!) maybe someone would be willing to upload this picture on his/her website for others to look at. Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869
Jeff G. wrote: "It was a fragmental breccia, probably L4-6. A thin section of L5 material gave Fa24.2, S3, W1." Mark B. thinks: The lighters parts of the meteorite do not show nice abundent chondrules in a thin section from what I have seen. (To make the L3.8 as some have been selling it.) Despite what it looks like in a hand specimen. The darker parts of the meteorite is a shocked portion of the lighter part. Colleagues, some of you could really give the scientists a run for their money - I personally can't even tell the difference from the outside (and don't cut nor have computerized inventories) between a lot of NWA 869 I saw and Sahara 02500, L3, Fa = 26% +/- 2%, S2, W1 Met Bul. 88, big strewn field, many stones. It looks like the Sahara 02500 researchers and suppliers, for example, on the other hand, have done a fantastic job keeping the stock clean for 2500, but given all the fingers in the pot for NWA 869 it is hard to imagine the same. How could NWA 869 be assigned a weight and name based on this, technically, by NomCom rules? I am confused but hope it is possible since a lot has not all been classified in accordance to the dense desert protocol. Could the characteristic greenish tinge be used as an exceptional and unique defining characteristic of NWA 869, and treat this exception as if it were a non-dense fall? Why not, if it can be truly shown to be unique nomenclature should accomodate logic...on such a grand scale. What, exactly causes the characteristic: environment or unique composition is an important question? This would be the angle great to be hearing more. But then, if we go that route - I would think it should have a real alphabet soup name to be more consistent with this type of nominative exception and what to do if it has already been classified by another number Good luck Jeff, with this usually very exquisite and sensitive meteorite(s). Saludos, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869
On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:27:47 +0200, "Martin Altmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Each dealer and experienced collector, although if he/she's not a fan of >desert stuff like me, will tell you, if you'll present them a bunch of cut >stones, which one is NWA 869 ad which one is not. To me, at least, it seems that you can tell that if it is NWA 869 before it is cut. I bought a 3 1/2 kilo lot of unclassifed stones on Ebay a while back, and maybe about a quarter of them "looked" like 869 to me just from the appearance of the fusion crust. Since I don't have a saw, I was able to only window those that happened to have a smooth-ish, flat side, but of those, all that I thought looked like 869 on the outside looked like 869 on the inside (not that I'm complaining-- I have dozens of "known" 869s plus those "unknown" 869s but I wouldn't mind having a few kilos more). Here's a couple of photos I tried making from one of my favorites of my "unofficial" 869s. This one weighs around 30g. http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/unofficial_869.jpg __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869
> 2000 kg. is if anythinga low number. I would be surprized it the total > weight was not twice that, if not 5000 kg. We did not see this the last > year, but the two Tucson shows before this year, there were a dozen Moroccan > dealers with 100's of kg. for sale. so hot its possible that the most popular meteorite with "his own" NWA number was not classified for all this years ? I think its the bigger mystery of meteorite community. We fight here who own which number, and for which specimens and TKW, and from the other side everyone selling unidentified stones as unofficial, not classified, Met Bulletin ghost number NWA869. :)) -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869
Yes Martin, Mike, Jeff who ever had some cut specimens of NWA 869 in his hands has to confess, that it's a remarkable stone, very characteristical and distinct from the desert average, not only because it's fresher, but because it's a marvellous breccia with so many features, excellent chondrules, sometimes basaltic and carbonaceous fragments are found in, polished it's one of the most beautiful stones a collector can get. Among my clients is a collector, who completely switched to NWA 869 (bad for me), doing nothing else than cutting and polishing NWA 869 stones since 2 years and it didn't became boring yet, as always something new could be found. Each dealer and experienced collector, although if he/she's not a fan of desert stuff like me, will tell you, if you'll present them a bunch of cut stones, which one is NWA 869 ad which one is not. NWA 869 is ubiquitary, must been one of the largest, if not the largest stone meteorite found ever. Due to it's commonness the comercial value is extremely low at the moment, I saw it offered on ebay from persons, who knew, that it was NWA 869, which didn't tell the number in that auctions, because they brought out higher results, when they told that it's unknown, because of it's unique beauty. Hencefore for sure not a collective drawer for all unknown unclassified Morroccain stones. Here I think, it's one of the rare cases, where regarding the experience we amateurs have a little lead over the professionalists ;-) Thus a find of great importance, beautiful and interesting material, well worth to do some analyses with. Check the list archives, where some members posted links to their polished slices, perhaps the links are still working (I remember Christian posted a lot of pictures). See you in Ensisheim& Humble Buckleboo! - Original Message - From: "Martin H." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jeff Grossman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 > Hi Jeff, > > "...make yourselves useful..." ? > > Seems that a touch of contempt for the List has > slipped out from between your keys. > > "Garbage can" ? > > Again, maybe NWA 869 might not be your favorite > meteorite, but surely it deserves more respect than > that. > > As far as your question, like Mike and Al (and no > doubt other normally useless members of this List will > or have told you) 869 is abundant to say the least. In > fact, at the recent Tucson show, there were many > fossil dealers who had many, many kg of what might be > 869, and likely much of that material is back in > storage or on a slow boat back to NWA given their > prices. > > The reason for mentioning this is that while this List > may have its faults, it also has its limits, and the > complete picture of NWA 869 will hardly be filled in > by a single post here. Further, I know of at least one > meteorite dealer who does not partake of the fine > commentary of this List, but does possess many, likely > hundreds of kg of 869 - in fact I think he stores it > in garbage cans... > > Cheers, > > Dr. Martin Horejsi > > > > --- Jeff Grossman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Okay list, time to make yourselves useful... > > > > Everybody wants the NomCom to publish and make > > official the name NWA > > 869. So please, if you know anything, help > > contribute to the facts so I > > can produce a writeup for submission to the > > committee. > > > > Here's what I've got: > > > > * At least 400 kg of material has been sold out of > > markets in Morocco under > > this name. > > > > * Alan Rubin classified a piece. It was a > > fragmental breccia, probably > > L4-6. A thin section of L5 material gave Fa24.2, > > S3, W1. > > > > So what's the rest of the story? How much is out > > actually there? When did > > it appear on the market? Is it all coming from one > > finder/dealer? Is the > > find location known? Is it really L4-6 (is this the > > right range)? Is it > > all coming from the same fall, or is the name NWA > > 869 a garbage can for all > > kinds of unclassified ordinary chondrites? What > > large stones are in > > collections? Are other NWAs paired with 869? > > Which? > > > > Please reply to the list only... I don't need a > > separate copy. > > > > jeff > > > > Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 > > US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 > > 954 National Center > > Reston, VA 20192, USA > > > > > &
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869
Hello Jeff and list, (Sent only to the list as Jeff requested...) Mike noted: "NWA 869 is found in Algeria, there to my knowledge, is over 2000 kilograms of it!" 2000 kg. is if anythinga low number. I would be surprized it the total weight was not twice that, if not 5000 kg. We did not see this the last year, but the two Tucson shows before this year, there were a dozen Moroccan dealers with 100's of kg. for sale. I have sold over 150 kg. I bet Dean has moved a ton or moreliterally. It is not a garbage can meteorite. It is very easy to identify and one of the best looking meteorites from Africa. The garbage can comment originated from an upset dealer being somewhat misleading. "It was a fragmental breccia, probably L4-6. A thin section of L5 material gave Fa24.2, S3, W1." I agree with Rubin's classification information. I think it should be noted as an L5. The lighters parts of the meteorite do not show nice abundent chondrules in a thin section from what I have seen. (To make the L3.8 as some have been selling it.) Despite what it looks like in a hand specimen. The darker parts of the meteorite is a shocked portion of the lighter part. The breccia I think is the red inclusions. I have several pieces here that show the sometimes large red matrix melted faster in the atmosphere then the other matrix. I will try to post some photos of this later if I have time. (Things are still a little crazy around here.) Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869
Jeff wrote; "NWA 869 a garbage can for all kinds of unclassified ordinary chondrites? " That's my vote! Thanks, Tom peregrineflier <>< - Original Message - From: "Jeff Grossman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 5:22 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 > Okay list, time to make yourselves useful... > > Everybody wants the NomCom to publish and make official the name NWA > 869. So please, if you know anything, help contribute to the facts so I > can produce a writeup for submission to the committee. > > Here's what I've got: > > * At least 400 kg of material has been sold out of markets in Morocco under > this name. > > * Alan Rubin classified a piece. It was a fragmental breccia, probably > L4-6. A thin section of L5 material gave Fa24.2, S3, W1. > > So what's the rest of the story? How much is out actually there? When did > it appear on the market? Is it all coming from one finder/dealer? Is the > find location known? Is it really L4-6 (is this the right range)? Is it > all coming from the same fall, or is the name NWA 869 a garbage can for all > kinds of unclassified ordinary chondrites? What large stones are in > collections? Are other NWAs paired with 869? Which? > > Please reply to the list only... I don't need a separate copy. > > jeff > > Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 > US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 > 954 National Center > Reston, VA 20192, USA > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005 > > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869
Hi Jeff, "...make yourselves useful..." ? Seems that a touch of contempt for the List has slipped out from between your keys. "Garbage can" ? Again, maybe NWA 869 might not be your favorite meteorite, but surely it deserves more respect than that. As far as your question, like Mike and Al (and no doubt other normally useless members of this List will or have told you) 869 is abundant to say the least. In fact, at the recent Tucson show, there were many fossil dealers who had many, many kg of what might be 869, and likely much of that material is back in storage or on a slow boat back to NWA given their prices. The reason for mentioning this is that while this List may have its faults, it also has its limits, and the complete picture of NWA 869 will hardly be filled in by a single post here. Further, I know of at least one meteorite dealer who does not partake of the fine commentary of this List, but does possess many, likely hundreds of kg of 869 - in fact I think he stores it in garbage cans... Cheers, Dr. Martin Horejsi --- Jeff Grossman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Okay list, time to make yourselves useful... > > Everybody wants the NomCom to publish and make > official the name NWA > 869. So please, if you know anything, help > contribute to the facts so I > can produce a writeup for submission to the > committee. > > Here's what I've got: > > * At least 400 kg of material has been sold out of > markets in Morocco under > this name. > > * Alan Rubin classified a piece. It was a > fragmental breccia, probably > L4-6. A thin section of L5 material gave Fa24.2, > S3, W1. > > So what's the rest of the story? How much is out > actually there? When did > it appear on the market? Is it all coming from one > finder/dealer? Is the > find location known? Is it really L4-6 (is this the > right range)? Is it > all coming from the same fall, or is the name NWA > 869 a garbage can for all > kinds of unclassified ordinary chondrites? What > large stones are in > collections? Are other NWAs paired with 869? > Which? > > Please reply to the list only... I don't need a > separate copy. > > jeff > > Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 > US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 > 954 National Center > Reston, VA 20192, USA > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869
Jeff, NWA 869 is found in Algeria, there to my knowledge, is over 2000 kilograms of it! I have personally seen that much with Ali Hmani, and my suppliers in Morocco, and I have myself purchased over 300 kilograms. It is not a garbage can, it is a very distinct meteorite, unmistakable to anyone who knows it. It really should be accepted as one of the largest stony meteorites known. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: "Jeff Grossman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 5:22 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 Okay list, time to make yourselves useful... Everybody wants the NomCom to publish and make official the name NWA 869. So please, if you know anything, help contribute to the facts so I can produce a writeup for submission to the committee. Here's what I've got: * At least 400 kg of material has been sold out of markets in Morocco under this name. * Alan Rubin classified a piece. It was a fragmental breccia, probably L4-6. A thin section of L5 material gave Fa24.2, S3, W1. So what's the rest of the story? How much is out actually there? When did it appear on the market? Is it all coming from one finder/dealer? Is the find location known? Is it really L4-6 (is this the right range)? Is it all coming from the same fall, or is the name NWA 869 a garbage can for all kinds of unclassified ordinary chondrites? What large stones are in collections? Are other NWAs paired with 869? Which? Please reply to the list only... I don't need a separate copy. jeff Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869
Hi Jeff and all, I think that Dean Bessey was the first to introduce this meteorite to the collecting community (3 years ago last Feb.?). I still have specimens that I bought from him at the time. I thought that Dean was going to have this classified at the time I bought it but might have been a misunderstanding on my part. I would be more than willing to submit a substantial piece in order to get it in the bulletins. I understand the total known weight is somewhere between 1,000 kg and 2,000 kg. I myself have a large stone of this fall weighing 18.5 kg and know of other large stones some weighing more than my piece (which was suppose to be the main mass) and some weighing less. I need to get with those people to see if I can list their specimens for the record. The Moroccans were also selling this after Dean introduced it and sold quite a bit of material. I think that other specimens have been paired but don't know the details of this. L4 to L6 seems to be the range this is classified in. Probably because we are looking at such a large amount of material, we might be seeing variations in classification of the material. I hope my information helps and that others will offer information. --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 869
Okay list, time to make yourselves useful... Everybody wants the NomCom to publish and make official the name NWA 869. So please, if you know anything, help contribute to the facts so I can produce a writeup for submission to the committee. Here's what I've got: * At least 400 kg of material has been sold out of markets in Morocco under this name. * Alan Rubin classified a piece. It was a fragmental breccia, probably L4-6. A thin section of L5 material gave Fa24.2, S3, W1. So what's the rest of the story? How much is out actually there? When did it appear on the market? Is it all coming from one finder/dealer? Is the find location known? Is it really L4-6 (is this the right range)? Is it all coming from the same fall, or is the name NWA 869 a garbage can for all kinds of unclassified ordinary chondrites? What large stones are in collections? Are other NWAs paired with 869? Which? Please reply to the list only... I don't need a separate copy. jeff Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869
NWA 869 is published as NWA 2171 in MB89. The reference to NWA 869 is unfortunately not mentionned as it could not be! Does not exist officially... A NWA 2171 Erfoud 05/2003 13.5 Many L3.8 S4 W1 24.04 (20-26) 20.89 br, possibly paired with Sahara 02500 ???/ Possible paired with Sah02500 ? TKW 13.5g ? L3.8 ? Are You sure its NWA869 ? -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 869
NWA 869 is published as NWA 2171 in MB89. The reference to NWA 869 is unfortunately not mentionned as it could not be! Does not exist officially... A OK nice, but where is NWA869. One of the nicest, cheapest, and biggest NWA meteorites from 1999 stay unclassified. It will be classified or not ? If not everyone who sell meteorites as NWA869 make met-fraud :( This should be finally finished by Met Nomenclature. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Albert JAMBON Laboratoire Magie 46-0 4eme étage, Case 110 Université P et M Curie 4 place jussieu 75252 Paris Cedex O5 France Tel: 33 (0) 144 27 51 35 FAX: 33 (0) 144 27 39 11 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 869 individuals for sale
Hello I have over 15 kg. of NWA 869 complete pieces for $100/kg. for who are interested email me privatly. Matteo M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Nuovo Yahoo! Messenger: E' molto più divertente: Audibles, Avatar, Webcam, Giochi, Rubrica Scaricalo ora! http://it.messenger.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 869 with flight marks
> [It] looked, from the small photo in > the auction, to be an oriented stone Though not perfectly "oriented", it does show delicate, subparallel flow marks! > [It] isn't as nicely shaped as I had hoped It is beautiful and displays a much fresher crust than do most NWA 869 you usually get. I love it! Cheers, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 869
I got my 335 gram slice of NWA 869 from dean last year for $50.It has everything you could want in an nwa 869 piece.Dean is the man when it comes to this meteorite.For an ordinary chondrite, it just has so much to offer a meteorite collecter.I have a 100 gram slice of NWA 904, and it does not look like anything NWA 869.I believe the 2 were classified correctly.There is no comparison.Hence, a COLLECTION IN A SLICE.Replys?? steve arnold,Chicago,USA!! = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 869
> There is no meteorite that is like NWA869. Its a very > brecciated meteorite. Look at this one for example: > http://www.meteoriteshop.com/ebay/nwa869two.jpg And also look (again) at these two beauties of mine (from Dean): http://www.geocities.com/spacerocksinc/Oct_24.html Cheers, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - Where are the reports?
Thanks Jeff! That was exactly what I was looking for. It explains the lack of a report in the bulletin. But I still feel it is strange that no report has been published as the TKW is more than 400kg (closer to 2000 according to rumours) and several analyses have been made. I guess it means that I just have to wait and see... or fix my electron microscope and do the report myself. :-) /Göran Jeff Grossman wrote: You will find these meteorites on our list of PROVISIONAL names: http://meteoriticalsociety.org/bulletin/prov-names.html This means that either: 1) Nobody has submitted a formal description to the Committee; 2) The meteorite name has been rejected by the Committee (e.g., because of insufficient type specimen, poor classification data, etc.); or 3) The meteorite is currently under consideration for a formal name. (2) is not the case here. I'll look into whether it's (1) or (3). jeff At 02:30 PM 9/26/2004, Göran Axelsson wrote: Hello list! I was looking for research done on NWA 869 since I have bought some pieces that I believe is paired with this one and I want to learn more about it. Finally I ended up at the Meteoritical Society master index between 1957 and 2002. I believed that the society was THE clearinghouse for names on meteorites but to my surprise there is a large gap of missing NWA numbers from 867 to 899. Is this because the reports isn't ready yet, publiced in some different place or is there another reason? As I understand it UCLA have made two analyses with different classifications. No strange in that, just interesting, but I haven't seen any referenses to any scientific report. Why? For one of the most commonly available chondrites there seems to be very little research done on it. Could someone give me a pointer to a report or some reference? Thanks in advance! I guess that I'm in the "Every meteorite is cool" camp. :-) Göran Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman Chair, Meteorite Nomenclature Committee (Meteoritical Society) US Geological Survey 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA Phone: (703) 648-6184 fax: (703) 648-6383 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 869 - Where are the reports?
Hello list! I was looking for research done on NWA 869 since I have bought some pieces that I believe is paired with this one and I want to learn more about it. Finally I ended up at the Meteoritical Society master index between 1957 and 2002. I believed that the society was THE clearinghouse for names on meteorites but to my surprise there is a large gap of missing NWA numbers from 867 to 899. Is this because the reports isn't ready yet, publiced in some different place or is there another reason? As I understand it UCLA have made two analyses with different classifications. No strange in that, just interesting, but I haven't seen any referenses to any scientific report. Why? For one of the most commonly available chondrites there seems to be very little research done on it. Could someone give me a pointer to a report or some reference? Thanks in advance! I guess that I'm in the "Every meteorite is cool" camp. :-) Göran __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 inclusions - achondritic ?
For heaven's sake, this d o e s look like eucritic plagioclase laths / needles! Whadda meteorite !!! One of my slices of Dho 008 has a very similar inclusion - although the grain size in mine is widely varied - from about 1 to maybe 6mm - stangely enough the grainsize is varried with the thickenss of the slice. on one side the grains ife is a few mm, on the reverse side the grain size is much larger. I wounder if anyone has every done oxygen isotopse analysis on such inclusions (cough cough kaidum cough :) ) _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 Inclusions - achondritic ?
Hi Christian, Your pics are really great and I agree with your conclusion. This meteorite is very interesting and I hope that we'll learn more about it through studies that could be carried out by some labs ! All the best, Frederic Beroud www.meteoriteshow.com IMCA #2491 - Original Message - From: "Christian Anger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 10:06 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 Inclusions - achondritic ? > Hi Maria, Bernd and 869er enthusiasts ! > > I put pics of another slice of my collection on my homepage. > > It is a super high polished full slice 235g, 105x88 mm. > > It has many DIFFERENT inclusions. > > I made a smaller version of the pic for an overview: > > http://www.austromet.com/collection/NWA869_235g_SMALL.jpg > > a detailed view of the whole slice (3.7 MB) is at > > http://www.austromet.com/collection/NWA869_235g_BIG.jpg > > Then I tried my best holding the Digicam's objective > on the microscope eyepiece and zoomed out details > of the big grey inclusion in the lower middle of the slice > > magnification 16x > > http://www.austromet.com/collection/NWA869_235g_closeup_01.jpg > > more closeup pic magnification 32x > > http://www.austromet.com/collection/NWA869_235g_closeup_02.jpg > > > It has a barred structure like basalt - looks achondritic - is it > > Any comments ? > > > Cheers, > > Christian > > IMCA #2673 > www.austromet.com > > Christian Anger > Korngasse 6 > 2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg > AUSTRIA > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 869 inclusions - achondritic ?
Christian wrote: > Then I tried my best holding the Digicam's objective > on the microscope eyepiece and zoomed out details of > the big grey inclusion in the lower middle of the slice magnification 16x http://www.austromet.com/collection/NWA869_235g_closeup_01.jpg more closeup pic magnification 32x http://www.austromet.com/collection/NWA869_235g_closeup_02.jpg It has a barred structure like basalt - looks achondritic - is it ? For heaven's sake, this d o e s look like eucritic plagioclase laths / needles! Whadda meteorite !!! I will have to take close-up pics of my mottled gray inclusions - next weekend maybe, ... no that's my daughter's 36th birthday, ... boy, I am growing old and older :-( ... ;-) Anyway, Bob King sent me an email with one of his favorite NWA 869 pieces and wrote: "One I received from Dean has a perfect little patch of what has to be L3 chondrules". When I saw those perfect chondrules, they almost knocked my socks off. Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 869 Inclusions - achondritic ?
Hi Maria, Bernd and 869er enthusiasts ! I put pics of another slice of my collection on my homepage. It is a super high polished full slice 235g, 105x88 mm. It has many DIFFERENT inclusions. I made a smaller version of the pic for an overview: http://www.austromet.com/collection/NWA869_235g_SMALL.jpg a detailed view of the whole slice (3.7 MB) is at http://www.austromet.com/collection/NWA869_235g_BIG.jpg Then I tried my best holding the Digicam's objective on the microscope eyepiece and zoomed out details of the big grey inclusion in the lower middle of the slice magnification 16x http://www.austromet.com/collection/NWA869_235g_closeup_01.jpg more closeup pic magnification 32x http://www.austromet.com/collection/NWA869_235g_closeup_02.jpg It has a barred structure like basalt - looks achondritic - is it Any comments ? Cheers, Christian IMCA #2673 www.austromet.com Christian Anger Korngasse 6 2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg AUSTRIA __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] nwa 869
In my NWA 869 335 gram slice, I have 5 very dark inclusions plus I have a 1 cm chondrule that is a light grey color and a 5 mm chondrule that is very light in color.I have to say,this is a very unique meteorite.To me, of all the NWA'S,this one seems to get and give the most attention.My 2 cents worth. steve arnold, chicago, usa!!! = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Sorry, I guess I just misunderstood you when you said using NWA 869 is meaningless, I use it because that is what I bought it as. Cj __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Dear Cj, I never called NWA 869 a s--t stone, all meteorites are cool in my book. The true NWA869 is heterogeneous and has been called everything from an L3.8 to an L5 with shock levels 1 though 4 with various degrees of weathering. This covers a lot of territory so you really do not know what you are getting. If you follow the prices over the last year, unclassified meteorites are selling for more partly because the TKW is high and partly because it has been a catchall for other unclassified meteorites. I have found some awesome meteorites in piles of so-called NWA 869 including a few CCs. Catchall does not mean I am calling these meteorites s--t by any means. All the best, Adam - Original Message - From: "Peanut .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 1:22 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 > I don't understand this: > > Adam said: "Using the name NWA 869 is meaningless because like Kem Kem it > has become a catchall stone. I would go as far as to say, you would better > off selling NWA 869 as unclassified because an unclassified stone seems to > be worth more on the open market these days." > > I have a kilo of Unclassified, I bought 869 to have some variety. I also > sell Dag 476,NWA 3118,3111,3112,1792,1906, 1929 and 1930. > I understand what your saying this stone has become, but why perpetuate this > being a shit stone? > > There are new collectors and future dealers reading these postings and to a > new collector, they may take this meteorite as a specimen not worth getting. > > Adam, I mean no disrespect here, just an opinion! > > Cj > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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> they may take this meteorite as a specimen not worth getting. Hello All, Meanwhile there are seven 869-ers in my collection and one is as beautiful as the other - one of my most beautiful NWA 869 specimens is the 21.9-gram slice from list member Maria Haas. And Christian Anger will also be able to tell you that some of his 869-er specimens are really unique and gorgeous beauties! Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I don't understand this: Adam said: "Using the name NWA 869 is meaningless because like Kem Kem it has become a catchall stone. I would go as far as to say, you would better off selling NWA 869 as unclassified because an unclassified stone seems to be worth more on the open market these days." I have a kilo of Unclassified, I bought 869 to have some variety. I also sell Dag 476,NWA 3118,3111,3112,1792,1906, 1929 and 1930. I understand what your saying this stone has become, but why perpetuate this being a shit stone? There are new collectors and future dealers reading these postings and to a new collector, they may take this meteorite as a specimen not worth getting. Adam, I mean no disrespect here, just an opinion! Cj __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 on EBay
Dear Bernd, Ken, Larry and List, Thanks for the shout out, Bernd! I would also like to add that Bernd helped me with the descriptions, Ken helped with the html and Larry Atkins taught me how to cut, polish and a lot of other things so when you guys notice that they are awesome, it's thanks to those guys. Maria IMCA 5520 aka molenadelrayette P.S. http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&include=0&userid=molenadelrayette&sort=3&rows=25&since=-1&rd=1 Original Message Follows From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 on EBay Date: 20 May 2004 15:37:13 UT Hello All, Our list member Maria is offering some nice slices of NWA 869 and the exciting part of it is that she both cut and polished these slices herself. Oh yes, women can also cut and polish meteorites .. just in case someone thought this ability was a male privilege. Please have a look if interested. Here is her user id: molenadelrayette Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 869 on EBay
Hello All, Our list member Maria is offering some nice slices of NWA 869 and the exciting part of it is that she both cut and polished these slices herself. Oh yes, women can also cut and polish meteorites .. just in case someone thought this ability was a male privilege. Please have a look if interested. Here is her user id: molenadelrayette Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 869 help! please. : )
Hello List, I think NWA 869 is a pretty nice meteorite, but the slice in the linked picture below seem a little too nice for NWA 869, at least from what I have seen. Does this look like 869 to you? http://www.frontiernet.net/~knudson911/nwa869114gfusion2.jpg Thanks, Tom peregrineflier <>< IMCA #6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 pairings
G'day Zelimir & List,
As far as I know NWA 904 is NOT paired with NWA 869. I'm
pretty sure this has been addressed on the list before and I know the Hupes
could probably tell you much better than myself. I guess all the uniqueness of
NWA 869 does not particularly lend itself to easy classification.
Cheers,
Jeff KuykenI.M.C.A. #3085www.meteorites.com.au
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Jeff, Dean, List,Thanks for NWA 869 info. A superb
meteorite indeed.Another NWA, currently labelled "NWA 904", that can
be currently found bynow relatively abundant on the European market(s),
appears to be quitesimilar to NWA 869 . Its general aspect, color,
inclusions...fit fairly wellJeff's description of NWA 869 on its site as
well.Anybody heard about possible pairings of NWA 869 and 904
? A more general question would be:What are all the other NWA
supposed to be paired with NWA 869 so far (otherthan NWA 787 and 900, as
mentioned by Jeff)?And, if such pairings are confirmed, I suppose the TKW
of this meteoritewould be over the 3000 kg that Dean
mentioned...Thanks to experts for providing any further data on this
beauty. Its finalclassification ("simple L5") is so
surprising...My most cordial wishes for 2004 to
all!Zelimir**Prof.
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Some NWA 900 slices its visible in my yahoo album
http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/mcomemeteorite2000/album?.dir=/NWA+900&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/mcomemeteorite2000
all pieces its sold. Another slice is visible in the
Norton new bookthe classification of my NWA 900 is
L3/6 Brecciated with shock veins, analysis exit in the
Met.Bull. n.87
Regards
Matteo
--- Zelimir Gabelica <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jeff, Dean, List,
>
> Thanks for NWA 869 info. A superb meteorite indeed.
>
> Another NWA, currently labelled "NWA 904", that can
> be currently found by
> now relatively abundant on the European market(s),
> appears to be quite
> similar to NWA 869 . Its general aspect, color,
> inclusions...fit fairly well
> Jeff's description of NWA 869 on its site as well.
>
> Anybody heard about possible pairings of NWA 869 and
> 904 ?
>
> A more general question would be:
> What are all the other NWA supposed to be paired
> with NWA 869 so far (other
> than NWA 787 and 900, as mentioned by Jeff)?
> And, if such pairings are confirmed, I suppose the
> TKW of this meteorite
> would be over the 3000 kg that Dean mentioned...
>
> Thanks to experts for providing any further data on
> this beauty. Its final
> classification ("simple L5") is so surprising...
>
> My most cordial wishes for 2004 to all!
>
> Zelimir
>
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[meteorite-list] NWA 869 pairings
Jeff, Dean, List,
Thanks for NWA 869 info. A superb meteorite indeed.
Another NWA, currently labelled "NWA 904", that can be currently found by
now relatively abundant on the European market(s), appears to be quite
similar to NWA 869 . Its general aspect, color, inclusions...fit fairly well
Jeff's description of NWA 869 on its site as well.
Anybody heard about possible pairings of NWA 869 and 904 ?
A more general question would be:
What are all the other NWA supposed to be paired with NWA 869 so far (other
than NWA 787 and 900, as mentioned by Jeff)?
And, if such pairings are confirmed, I suppose the TKW of this meteorite
would be over the 3000 kg that Dean mentioned...
Thanks to experts for providing any further data on this beauty. Its final
classification ("simple L5") is so surprising...
My most cordial wishes for 2004 to all!
Zelimir
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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 update
--- Jeff Kuyken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > G'day Rafael, > I have a page here with info regarding NWA 869. The > address is: > http://www.meteoritesaustralia.com/nwa869/ > Its current official classification stands at L5. > Hope this helps some, > Nice NWA869 page. The TKW is more than 1500 Kilos though. I have gone through more than that myself and there are lots of dealers with more. I would estimate more like 3000 kilos. The strewnfield is now totally hunted out and there is very little left in the field. There are still a few stockpiles which will keep it on the market and the price down for a while but its not going to last forever. I have as customers about a dozen or more show dealers who buy a couple kilos every month or two and a lot of NWA869 is sold off into thousands of new meteorite collectors. For the last 6 months or year or so new collectors have pretty much been driving the meteorite market and many of them have started with NWA869. The tens of thousands of small specimens of the NWA869 meteorite has been a godsend for creating tons of new meteorite collectors. Cheers DEAN www.meteoriteshop.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 update
G'day Rafael, I have a page here with info regarding NWA 869. The address is: http://www.meteoritesaustralia.com/nwa869/ Its current official classification stands at L5. Hope this helps some, Jeff KuykenI.M.C.A. #3085www.meteorites.com.auwww.meteoritesaustralia.com - Original Message - From: Rafael B. Torres To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 1:53 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 update HI Im organizing my meteorite collection, so as long as I know NWA 869 is not yet listed in the Meteorite Bulletin, and classification is pendingis that right or have they classified it??? Any update on this meteorite would be appreciatted, thanks =0)_The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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[meteorite-list] NWA 869 on ebay
Hello all I have cut a big piece of NWA 869 and I have found some nice inclusions, some similar to my NWA 900 inclusions. I have put some pieces on Ebay here: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ for who is interested I have another big end piece with a big black inclusion, if interested email me. Regards Matteo = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869...type(s): towards a solution ?
In a message dated 6/16/2003 2:54:39 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To add to the confusion, Anne Black wrote this morning that the meteorite "AC 001" she is offering on E-bay (found by Alain Carion in Morocco in 2000 and under study) has a quite unusual type LL3/5. This is probably not the same meteorite as the above cited series except that my own "AC 001" purchased last year in Ensisheim at AC's table, has a lithology that strangely resembles that of my NWA 905, which should also be our famous NWA 869 As far as I know AC001 is not paired with any other meteorite. Alain Carion will be in the Ensisheim Show and the Ste. Marie aux Mines Show a week later, maybe you can show him your piece of AC001 and ask him for his opinion. And of course, let us know. Anne M. Black www. IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[meteorite-list] NWA 869...type(s): towards a solution ?
Hello list, Regarding NWA 869/787 and their other paired friends, Dean Bessey recently wrote that: "every institution that classifies NWA869 seems to get a different classification". This is actually true and probably debated in earlier posts. If I am correct with my files, (but it is so easy to be fooled), NWA 869 seems to have been typed first as L4 (A. Rubin) then L5 (Met. Bull.). NWA 787 (Farmer, Hupé...) was L6... Matteo's NWA 900 (also described and pictured in Norton's Encyclopedia) and supposed paired with the above, was suggested to be a L3.9-6 (Matteo) while Norton writes about the same: "distinct chondrules and Fe-Ni clusters... suggest L4" (?) "but there are also achondritic type materials in some clasts". I have a similar material in my collection and although it probably exhibits quite the same (complex) lithology as the above, it was claimed by the supplier to be first NWA 965, then recently corrected to NWA 905I did not find anywhere the description of this NWA 905.. Thus a lot of confusion concerning both the name and the type of this exceptional meteorite! Not mentioning the total weight known or recovered that stimulated recently a debate among the list. To add to the confusion, Anne Black wrote this morning that the meteorite "AC 001" she is offering on E-bay (found by Alain Carion in Morocco in 2000 and under study) has a quite unusual type LL3/5. This is probably not the same meteorite as the above cited series except that my own "AC 001" purchased last year in Ensisheim at AC's table, has a lithology that strangely resembles that of my NWA 905, which should also be our famous NWA 869 So far I am aware that this short statement throws even more confusion about what is what and which type is which... However, the purpose of this post is to tell you that by the end of this week, during the newt Ensisheim show, we might have a good opportunity to progress a little regarding the type of all these meteorites. Pierre Rochette, a well known list member and pertinent contributor, who recently published a new, rapid and efficient method allowing one to determine the type of any meteorite (at least stony), kindly proposed to help us determining the type of our unknowns (or doubtfull "knowns"). He will dispose of a special table during the next week held Ensisheim show, for doing this fairly intriguing determination, thus by Friday June 20 only, during the "professional day". Whoever would be able to bring along, among other unknowns, some NWA 869 or alike for a "megnetic determination", this would perhaps throw some light on our enigma. At least, I'll bring along for that purpose my NWA 905 (3 different slices with different lithoilogies each) and my two "AC001" pieces. Pierre and I can make a short report on the results for the list after the show. For those who are not familiar with this new method, here is the reference: P. Rochette et al. (thus 7 other authors from France, Vatican, Italy, Spain & Finland), MAPS 38(2), 251-268 (2003): "Magnetic classification of stony meteorites: 1 Ordinary chondrites" The paper provides database of megnetic susceptibility measurements on 971 ordinary chondrites. This property can be sucessfully used to characterize and classify OC type meteorites through a rapid and non destructuive measurement essentially determining the amount of metal in each sample which occurs in a very narrow range for each chondrite class. In this compilation, Pierre et al. confirmed the majority of known types but also proposed a new class for several meteoites, as different as (to take a few sometimes represented in collections): Kabo (was H4, now proposed L6) Wiluna (was H5, now proposed L or weathering) Albareto (was L4, now proposed L/LL4) Suizhou (was L6, now proposed L/LL or weathering ) Ceniceros (was H3.7, now proposed L3.7) Segowlie (was L6, now proposed LL6) Futtehpur (was L6, now proposed H5) etc. Glad if anyone has comments about the method or about the NWA 869 or alike puzzle. Best to all, Zelimir ** Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Groupe Sécurité et Ecologie Chimiques (GSEC) - ENSCMu 3, rue A. Werner F-68093 MULHOUSE Cedex, FRANCE Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 FAX: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 e-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869/787
Anne, I nearly fell out of my chair when I read it. I thought for a moment that the end of the world was nigh :) Regards, Steve --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 6/11/2003 10:31:48 AM Mountain Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > These two meteorites are indeed the same. I was in Morocco 5 days > ago, and I > > saw at least 200 kilos of it for sale. I agree with Dean (for > once), there > > are at least 1500 kilos, maybe 2000 kilos of that meteorite. > > > > We all need to print and frame this post!!! :-) > > Anne M. Black > www. IMPACTIKA.com > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > = Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://www.meteoritecollectors.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869/787
Tom, I'd stick to Dean's and Mike's numbers. It's easier to count what went out than who has what. John > Hello List, Lets take a inventory of the NWA 869 just owned by list members. I > would bet we would account for a lot of it. Does any one want to count! We could > email that person off list with our total amounts! > Thanks, Tom > The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 > - Original Message - > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 7:03 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869/787 > > > In a message dated 6/11/2003 10:31:48 AM Mountain Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > These two meteorites are indeed the same. I was in Morocco 5 days ago, and I > saw at least 200 kilos of it for sale. I agree with Dean (for once), there > are at least 1500 kilos, maybe 2000 kilos of that meteorite. > > > > We all need to print and frame this post!!! :-) > > Anne M. Black > www. IMPACTIKA.com > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] nwa 869
Hi tom and list.I have a 400 gram full cut slice in my collection.There are 400 grams of the 1500 kilo puzzle! steve = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
