Re: [meteorite-list] NWA R-chondrite pairings

2003-01-13 Thread MARK BOSTICK
Hello John and List,


John wrote: Can anyone tell me if any of the different numbered NWA
R-chondrites are paired? Like NWA 753 and 978, both R3.8's...and also NWA
782 and 800...both R4.0.  Along with Ouzina...also a R4.0.

I will try to answer your question.  NWA meteorites are always a little
controversal so hopefully the list will go nice on me.

I believe NWA753 is paired with the "non-magnetic" NWA you purchased from
Dean.  The total weight reported on NWA753 is 12 kilos but I would guess it
to be in the fashion of 30 kilos.  There is more of it in Morocco right now
and the sellers know what it is.  Much have the meteorite has also entered
the market since its original purchase.  Pairing is often done without
report to the Meteorite Society, such is the way with NWA's.

NWA753 and NWA978 may possibly be paired.  On the R4's, I do not know. It
would be nice to have CRE age comparisons done on these stones.  They do as
you noted look very simular but you would exspect such from an R3.8, R3.9
and an R4.

R chondrites are rare, unbrecciated R chondrites are ever more rare.  The
reason why we have so many from Morocco leaves the chance they might be the
same stone.  However, at the prices the R chondrites are currantly being
sold you really can't go wrong.

I am sending this to Dean also, since he is no longer a list member.  If he
would like to comment on the subject I will post his comment later this
evening.

Mark Bostick

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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA R-chondrite pairings

2003-01-13 Thread rochette
Dear John

I posted a very similar message about 6 months ago, without great
success... So here is my personal feeling: it looks unlikely statistically
that two different R3.8 or R4 come out of NWA, but not impossible : there
are 2 nakhlites and 4 shergottites in NWA. It is true that 753 and 978 or
800 and Ouzina show different weathering and "colors", but this happens on
different pieces of the same fall.

What I would bet very highly unlikely is that more than 2 different R3.8 or
R4 exist!

No type of detailed study can solve the problem definitely, as even if
every chemical and petrographic features would be the same in 753 and 978
for example, it does not tell for sure that they are the same fall: they
may be different fall from the same "asteroidal outcrop"; there are many
examples of that in ordinary chondrites (undistinguishable different
falls). Once again we touch the major drawback of NWAs: no precise location
means unsolvable incertitude in pairing. We can just talk about probability
and with the squeletic R population, statistics are nearly meaningless.

(My unconvinced bet is that 753 and 978 are the same fall, but I would not
be surprised of the opposite)


Pierre



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[meteorite-list] NWA R-chondrite pairings

2003-01-12 Thread John Divelbiss



Hello all,
 
On to new subject.
 
Can anyone tell me if any of the different numbered NWA 
R-chondrites are paired? Like NWA 753 and 978, both R3.8's...and also NWA 782 
and 800...both R4.0.  Along with Ouzina...also a R4.0. 
 
The reason I asked is because I was one of the 
curious to recently buy a "non-magnetic" NWA meteorite offering from Dean. 
I received it this weekend and it looks just like a fresh slice of 978 I 
got from the Hupes. Very nice...but unclassified I suppose.
 
Just curious about pairings...maybe it is not known and yet to 
be studied,
 
 
John