[meteorite-list] New paid Ad program for the mailing list - starts 4/7/2014
Good Evening; If you never advertise on the list you can disregard this email! If you do advertise please read below: Beginning Monday, April 7, 2014 I will be implementing a paid advertising program for the Meteorite Mailing List. I've been working on a program like this for quite a while now but have been struggling with the best way to do it. I think I've come up with an approach that's both simple and affordable. My goal isn't to make a lot of money, but rather to cover the costs associated with Meteorite Mailing List and the related websites. I'd also like to cut down on the total number of Ads that appear on the list on any given day, which I think is better in the long run for both advertisers and subscribers (i.e. improve the signal to noise ratio). Hopefully this new program will improve everyone's list experience. Here's how it will work -- Ads can be purchased one at a time or in bulk, and payment can be made through PayPal. The 1 Ad per week limit and the current policy regarding no image attachments will remain (see policies below). I am considering allowing images under a certain and also some type of Ad credit for relevant posts but I need to work on those ideas a bit more. Also, as the majority of members aren't dealers, but may want to sell something every now and then, everyone will be provided with 2 Ad credits (free ads) to be used during the year. Meteorite List Ad Rates - One-off Advertising cost * Per Ad price - $4 via PayPal - Bulk Advertising options (Pre-paid Ads) * 12 ads $35 - Single payment via PayPal ($2.92 per ad) * 52 ads $125 - Single payment via PayPal ($2.40 per ad) Payment won't be required before a One-off Ad is placed, but should be made within 1 day. Payment for the Bulk Ad options is expected prior to placing the first Ad. I'll be adding a page to the Meteorite Central website with payment links each option listed above. Mailing List ad-related policies - 1 Ad per week limit - Plain text emails only - No image attachments - 60k email size limit - 2 Ad credits per member (to be used during the year) - Failure to pay for Ads placed on the list will result in member removal. Please feel free to send me an off-list email if you have any comments, suggestions, or questions. Best Regards and Happy Hunting/Collecting! - Art Art Jones Meteorite Central blurthel...@gmail.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New paid Ad program for the mailing list - starts 4/7/2014
Hello Art and Listers Hello Art I counted about an average of 20 AD per week give or take 5. If you were to charge your $8 buck per AD that's around $700 bucks per month. Man with that amount of money you will be able to do wonders with the website :) What would be cool too is if you added a spot on your website to allow dealers to have banners to advertise their website sites and charge $15 bucks a month for a spot. On average, I see websites that do that and they have about 25 dealers advertising at any given time. That would generate about $375 a month plus the $700 from the ads from people posting on the list. But if you wanted to get more traffic to your website, cause at the end of the day that's every advertiser wants, maybe charge $5 a year to members that would like to get every email sent to them rather than the bulk format email system. That's 1700 members and lest say 1500 get every email that could generate $7500 a year. So if you didn't want to pay the $5 a year mail service fee, people would go to the website and see what is being said in real time on the site, which I used to do in the past, before the overhaul. And who knows with the website in real time, more people would go directly to the website to see what is being talked about and when you have Google have their third party advertisers advertise on your website, they will see that you have a lot more traffic. and you will be able to make more money! Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633nyc/m.html meteoritefalls.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New paid Ad program for the mailing list - starts 4/7/2014
Ruben and Lister You do bring up a good point Ruben. That is a grey area and I have seen a few members do it and say look at this new meteorite I have and when you go to there website they have items listed for sale of that new fall or meteorite. Also, I have seen members say well if you want to see a good sample of this meteorite you can look at my website and they give a link to there website which is a dealer website in meteorite posts. To me that seems like advertising. I have also seen when people are talking about thin sections and some people say, hey if you want to see some good sample go to my dealer website. I see that happen a lot and think if ads are going to be charged on here, that also should be constituted as an AD? What about Trades? is that an AD or wanted post and someone posts their website? One other point I like to ask, you say less AD will be better for dealers and list members? Well I didn't know the AD on here were a big problem. I thought the arguing and the nonsensical topics was disrupting the website. Also $8 an AD to the main deals is nothing, but for the ones that struggle with money wont be able to pay that and post an AD. I guess it will be better for some dealers, because there will be less competition advertising on here. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633nyc/m.html Meteoritefalls.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New paid Ad program for the mailing list - starts 4/7/2014
Hi Art, I think you've made an Ad program that most of us can live with. Personally I appreciate $2.40 per Ad (when purchasing 1 years worth) instead or the $7-$8 per Ad that we had talked about in private emails. I'll send my $125 payment via PayPal as soon as you let us know how to do so. However, I think a lot of us still wonder how you'll stop the sneaky or inadvertent Ads. Honestly, I think most people on this forum know that I don't collect meteorites so nearly every topic I'll ever bring up is in reality an advertisement. If I show fantastic green inclusions in the new NWA 8118 Lodranite - people know it's for sale. If I show a photo of a Campo Del Cielo with 7 natural holes, it's for sale. If I ever talk about any meteorite EVER, and I own itit's for sale. Maybe the "relevant topic Ad credit" could come into play sooner than later? I think I could post a lot of relevant topics or Ads. On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Art Jones wrote: > Good Evening; > > If you never advertise on the list you can disregard this email! If you do > advertise please read below: > > Beginning Monday, April 7, 2014 I will be implementing a paid advertising > program for the Meteorite Mailing List. I've been working on a program like > this for quite a while now but have been struggling with the best way to do > it. I think I've come up with an approach that's both simple and affordable. > My goal isn't to make a lot of money, but rather to cover the costs > associated with Meteorite Mailing List and the related websites. I'd also > like to cut down on the total number of Ads that appear on the list on any > given day, which I think is better in the long run for both advertisers and > subscribers (i.e. improve the signal to noise ratio). Hopefully this new > program will improve everyone's list experience. > > Here's how it will work > -- > Ads can be purchased one at a time or in bulk, and payment can be made > through PayPal. The 1 Ad per week limit and the current policy regarding no > image attachments will remain (see policies below). I am considering > allowing images under a certain and also some type of Ad credit for relevant > posts but I need to work on those ideas a bit more. Also, as the majority > of members aren't dealers, but may want to sell something every now and then, > everyone will be provided with 2 Ad credits (free ads) to be used during the > year. > > Meteorite List Ad Rates > > - One-off Advertising cost > * Per Ad price - $4 via PayPal > > - Bulk Advertising options (Pre-paid Ads) > * 12 ads >$35 - Single payment via PayPal ($2.92 per ad) > * 52 ads >$125 - Single payment via PayPal ($2.40 per ad) > > Payment won't be required before a One-off Ad is placed, but should be made > within 1 day. Payment for the Bulk Ad options is expected prior to placing > the first Ad. I'll be adding a page to the Meteorite Central website with > payment links each option listed above. > > Mailing List ad-related policies > > - 1 Ad per week limit > - Plain text emails only > - No image attachments > - 60k email size limit > - 2 Ad credits per member (to be used during the year) > - Failure to pay for Ads placed on the list will result in member > removal. > > Please feel free to send me an off-list email if you have any comments, > suggestions, or questions. > > > Best Regards and Happy Hunting/Collecting! > > - Art > > Art Jones > Meteorite Central > blurthel...@gmail.com > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia http://www.MrMeteorite.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New paid Ad program for the mailing list - starts 4/7/2014
Here's the "Abridged Version" 1)Beginning Monday, April 7, 2014 I will be implementing a paid advertising program for the Meteorite Mailing List. 2) Meteorite List Ad Rates -- One-off Advertising cost * Per Ad price - $4 via PayPal - Bulk Advertising options (Pre-paid Ads) * 12 ads $35 - Single payment via PayPal ($2.92 per ad) * 52 ads $125 - Single payment via PayPal ($2.40 per ad) 3) Every one will be provided with 2 Ad credits (free ads) to be used during the year. On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 9:33 PM, bandk chorus.net wrote: > So---is the "pay for an ad" thing for sure---or just talk?? > > I mean---What if I only post an ad like once a year?? > > Will I be charged?? > > KIrk > > > On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 11:28 PM, Shawn Alan wrote: >> >> Ruben and Lister >> >> You do bring up a good point Ruben. That is a grey area and I have seen a >> few members do it and say look at this new meteorite I have and when you go >> to there website they have items listed for sale of that new fall or >> meteorite. Also, I have seen members say well if you want to see a good >> sample of this meteorite you can look at my website and they give a link to >> there website which is a dealer website in meteorite posts. To me that seems >> like advertising. I have also seen when people are talking about thin >> sections and some people say, hey if you want to see some good sample go to >> my dealer website. I see that happen a lot and think if ads are going to be >> charged on here, that also should be constituted as an AD? What about >> Trades? is that an AD or wanted post and someone posts their website? >> >> One other point I like to ask, you say less AD will be better for dealers >> and list members? Well I didn't know the AD on here were a big problem. I >> thought the arguing and the nonsensical topics was disrupting the website. >> Also $8 an AD to the main deals is nothing, but for the ones that struggle >> with money wont be able to pay that and post an AD. I guess it will be >> better for some dealers, because there will be less competition advertising >> on here. >> >> Shawn Alan >> IMCA 1633 >> ebay store >> http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633nyc/m.html >> Meteoritefalls.com >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia http://www.MrMeteorite.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New paid Ad program for the mailing list - starts 4/7/2014
Kirk Well if you only use one ad per year I think what Ruben said is that every member get 2 free ads per year. I guess Art will have to keep track of 1700 members 2 free ads per year that they use. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633nyc/m.html Meteoritefalls.com From: bandk chorus.net To: Shawn Alan Cc: Ruben Garcia ; Meteorite Central Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 12:33 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New paid Ad program for the mailing list - starts 4/7/2014 So---is the "pay for an ad" thing for sure---or just talk?? I mean---What if I only post an ad like once a year?? Will I be charged?? KIrk On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 11:28 PM, Shawn Alan wrote: Ruben and Lister > >You do bring up a good point Ruben. That is a grey area and I have seen a few >members do it and say look at this new meteorite I have and when you go to >there website they have items listed for sale of that new fall or meteorite. >Also, I have seen members say well if you want to see a good sample of this >meteorite you can look at my website and they give a link to there website >which is a dealer website in meteorite posts. To me that seems like >advertising. I have also seen when people are talking about thin sections and >some people say, hey if you want to see some good sample go to my dealer >website. I see that happen a lot and think if ads are going to be charged on >here, that also should be constituted as an AD? What about Trades? is that an >AD or wanted post and someone posts their website? > >One other point I like to ask, you say less AD will be better for dealers and >list members? Well I didn't know the AD on here were a big problem. I thought >the arguing and the nonsensical topics was disrupting the website. Also $8 an >AD to the main deals is nothing, but for the ones that struggle with money >wont be able to pay that and post an AD. I guess it will be better for some >dealers, because there will be less competition advertising on here. > >Shawn Alan >IMCA 1633 >ebay store >http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633nyc/m.html >Meteoritefalls.com >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com/ >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New paid Ad program for the mailing list - starts 4/7/2014
All good points shawn. An obvious flagrant ad is an ad, but 50% of the posts on this forum are to do with finding/getting/trading material, that's kinda the whole point of the hobby! I fully support Art's idea, but to me it must be restricted to clear and obvious adverts, getting banned for posting a wanted ad, or referring to material bought from a dealer, will just result in no-one being left here! If you flick through a magazine, it is usually obvious which is an ad, and which is an article, so maybe it will pan out through common sense, I guess we will see, the metlist with either prosper or fail! As you rightly say, what's actually wrong with meteorite Ads anyway? I'd rather see 10 ads for meteoritic material than one more bl**dy Proud Tom diatribe!! Regards, Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Alan Sent: 01 April 2014 05:28 To: Ruben Garcia; Meteorite Central Subject: [meteorite-list] New paid Ad program for the mailing list - starts 4/7/2014 Ruben and Lister You do bring up a good point Ruben. That is a grey area and I have seen a few members do it and say look at this new meteorite I have and when you go to there website they have items listed for sale of that new fall or meteorite. Also, I have seen members say well if you want to see a good sample of this meteorite you can look at my website and they give a link to there website which is a dealer website in meteorite posts. To me that seems like advertising. I have also seen when people are talking about thin sections and some people say, hey if you want to see some good sample go to my dealer website. I see that happen a lot and think if ads are going to be charged on here, that also should be constituted as an AD? What about Trades? is that an AD or wanted post and someone posts their website? One other point I like to ask, you say less AD will be better for dealers and list members? Well I didn't know the AD on here were a big problem. I thought the arguing and the nonsensical topics was disrupting the website. Also $8 an AD to the main deals is nothing, but for the ones that struggle with money wont be able to pay that and post an AD. I guess it will be better for some dealers, because there will be less competition advertising on here. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633nyc/m.html Meteoritefalls.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New paid Ad program for the mailing list - starts 4/7/2014
Hello Its that prima aprylis ? The only disturbing ADs here (if exclude fees free spam) are the Weekly ebay sales ending at bla bla bla. If I want to buy on ebay I can look there at any time. All other ADs include new available material its part of our hobby. So I move to Facebook then -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] All good points shawn. An obvious flagrant ad is an ad, but 50% of the posts on this forum are to do with finding/getting/trading material, that's kinda the whole point of the hobby! I fully support Art's idea, but to me it must be restricted to clear and obvious adverts, getting banned for posting a wanted ad, or referring to material bought from a dealer, will just result in no-one being left here! If you flick through a magazine, it is usually obvious which is an ad, and which is an article, so maybe it will pan out through common sense, I guess we will see, the metlist with either prosper or fail! As you rightly say, what's actually wrong with meteorite Ads anyway? I'd rather see 10 ads for meteoritic material than one more bl**dy Proud Tom diatribe!! Regards, Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Alan Sent: 01 April 2014 05:28 To: Ruben Garcia; Meteorite Central Subject: [meteorite-list] New paid Ad program for the mailing list - starts 4/7/2014 Ruben and Lister You do bring up a good point Ruben. That is a grey area and I have seen a few members do it and say look at this new meteorite I have and when you go to there website they have items listed for sale of that new fall or meteorite. Also, I have seen members say well if you want to see a good sample of this meteorite you can look at my website and they give a link to there website which is a dealer website in meteorite posts. To me that seems like advertising. I have also seen when people are talking about thin sections and some people say, hey if you want to see some good sample go to my dealer website. I see that happen a lot and think if ads are going to be charged on here, that also should be constituted as an AD? What about Trades? is that an AD or wanted post and someone posts their website? One other point I like to ask, you say less AD will be better for dealers and list members? Well I didn't know the AD on here were a big problem. I thought the arguing and the nonsensical topics was disrupting the website. Also $8 an AD to the main deals is nothing, but for the ones that struggle with money wont be able to pay that and post an AD. I guess it will be better for some dealers, because there will be less competition advertising on here. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633nyc/m.html Meteoritefalls.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
