Re: [meteorite-list] Not to worry. Nukes are good?
List, Even though this is technically OT, it is a matter that affects many List members personally. A lot of this List discussion is wandering off-course. Fukushima #1 was built in 1967 and began operations in 1971. It is one of the oldest nuclear power reactors in the world. It is also one of the largest (a somewhat dated reference says the third largest). It is a Giant Nuclear Teakettle, like most of the world's power reactors, a bad design choice that originates in a hasty decision made in 1948, the story of which I am not going to bore you with here. Like all Water Boilers it combines nineteenth- century steam technology with twentieth-century nuclear technology. It is a design that has permeated a somewhat uninnovative industry. Right now, the best compilation of events at Fukushima continuously updated is this newly created Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_I_Nuclear_Power_Plant The five large reactors in the north of Japan were sited there because it's relatively under-populated and distant from the major cities. The UK puts its reactors in Scotland, for example. Additionally, Honshu has, in the past century, suffered fewer and smaller quakes than the areas further south where the biggest cities and greatest population is. It was considered "safer." Fukushima was never designed for a quake like this, I suspect; almost no nuclear facility is. The Richter scale being a log-10 scale, you can see this quake was 100 times more powerful than the "likely" 100-yr. maximum of a 7.0 quake. Al Mitterling pulled Chernobyl into this. Chernobyl was a graphite "pile" with pressurized water cooling and NO containment vessel. In a graphite pile, graphite is NOT a control material and the control rods were not graphite rods. Fukushima is not a graphite pile; Chernobyl is irrelevant to the Fukushima discussion. And the suggestion that correct procedure for a water- moderated reactor is let it boil off and expose the core to meltdown is ludicrous. Graphite is a "moderator." The moderator makes the chain reaction happen. It is a substance that slows the velocity of neutrons down until they are "thermalized," or moving with the kinetic energy of room temperature. In the case of an neutron, that is the speed of an old man crossing his living room (or me on a bad day). ONLY slow neutrons can facilitate a chain reaction, slow, bashful neutrons that can slip into an uranium nucleus unnoticed, as it were, like the back door man. Graphite slows them down. Moderators can be almost anything with lots of hydrogen atoms -- water is the most obvious choice, and that's what "cools" the Fukushima reactor, yes, but the point is that it is the moderator (the important point), combining the two functions of cooling and slowing neutrons into one substance. "Control" material is stuff that sucks up neutrons, like the Roach Motel for neutrons --- "neutrons go in; they don't come out." Cadmium is excellent. A control material that's almost too good is boron (takes in neutrons; emits short-range alpha particles or helium nuclei with a range of a few millimeters after which they find a couple of electrons and settle down to be helium). Boron is more than a control material; it was, in the early days, called a "neutron poison." The contamination of American graphite by traces of boron almost ruined the attempts in 1940 to demonstration that a chain reaction was possible. So, if you actually look at the full data being released, http://theenergycollective.com/dan-yurman/53397/update-japanese-nuclear-reactors-following-89m-quake you will see that the current plan is to pump a mixture of sea water and boric acid through the reactor to "cool" it. Bah, they're not "cooling" it; they're killing it. A few news sources have puzzled over the choice of local sea water, which is corrosive. Well, it's likely boiling in inside. The detection of cesium means that fuel is exposed, which means its refractory cover is gone, and it takes 5000 digress to melt that... I'd guess it's boiling. Sea water will boil under pressure but leave a salt crust behind. If the sea water is mixed with boric acid, the salt crust will be full of boron. The boron will absorb the neutrons and hinder, slow, maybe stop the chain reaction. Natural boron is 80% isotope 10 which is the "neutron-poisoner." Then, there's the on-again, off-again story of the US flying "coolant" to Japan. The two governments say, "no, well, yes," and "oh, yes, well, no" at random. Well, I think the best material to pump into the reactor would be suitably diluted drilling mud. Remember the Gulf oilwell blowout and the talk of "drilling mud"? That stuff is dense gooey BORATES. It would be the ultimate reactor killer. Purely speculation on my part, but that might be the mysterious "coolant" flown to Japan that they don't want to talk about. And, I doubt there was any drilling mud available in Japan, as they don't drill for oil; they buy it. Unlike Chernobyl and Three Mile
Re: [meteorite-list] Not to worry. Nukes are good?
Greetings Sterling and all, Last OT post for me here, right or wrong. My information comes from a Cook Nuclear Scientist who gave our astronomy group a program topic a few years back. No doubt I can't remember exactly what he said and my information may need updating. How ever one thing he did mention was with the use of water as a moderator, was a safety feature that would prevent a melt down. No water no reaction. Cited is a Wikipedia article. It mentions graphite moderator componets. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster This event exposed the graphite moderator components of the reactor to air and they ignited; Perhaps it was the compents that warped and the rods couldn't be moved, locking them in and allowing the core meltdown. In any case it was a dangerous mess and your right the Japanese system works different.Hope they get things under control. --AL Mitterling Quoting "Sterling K. Webb" : List, Al Mitterling pulled Chernobyl into this. Chernobyl was a graphite "pile" with pressurized water cooling and with NO containment vessel. In a graphite pile, graphite is NOT a control material and the control rods were not graphite rods. Fukushima is not a graphite pile; Chernobyl is irrelevant to the Fukushima discussion. And the suggestion that correct procedure for a water- moderated reactor is let it boil off and expose the core to a meltdown is ludicrous. Graphite is a "moderator." The moderator makes the chain reaction happen. Moderators are substances that slow the velocity of neutrons down until they are "thermalized," or moving with the kinetic energy of room temperature. In the case of a neutron, that is the speed of an old man crossing his living room (or me on a bad day). Sterling K. Webb __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Not to worry. Nukes are good?
On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 00:15:43 -0600, you wrote: >Fukushima was never designed for a quake like this, >I suspect; almost no nuclear facility is. It was tested for 7.9.: http://www.boingboing.net/2011/03/12/japan-fukushima-oper.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Not to worry. Nukes are good?
List, Even though this is technically OT, it is a matter that affects many List members personally. A lot of this List discussion is wandering off-course. Fukushima #1 was built in 1967 and began operations in 1971. It is one of the oldest nuclear power reactors in the world. It is also one of the largest (a somewhat dated reference says the third largest). It is a Giant Nuclear Teakettle, like most of the world's power reactors, a bad design choice that originates in a hasty decision made in 1949, the story of which I am not going to bore you with here. Like all Water Boilers it combines nineteenth- century steam technology with twentieth-century nuclear technology. It is a design that has permeated a somewhat uninnovative industry. Right now, the best compilation of events at Fukushima continuously updated is this newly created Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_I_Nuclear_Power_Plant The five large reactors in the north of Japan were sited there because it's relatively under-populated and distant from the major cities. The UK puts its reactors in Scotland, for example. Additionally, Honshu has, in the past century, suffered fewer and smaller quakes than the areas further south where the biggest cities and greatest population is. It was considered "safer." Fukushima was never designed for a quake like this, I suspect; almost no nuclear facility is. The Richter scale being a log-10 scale, you can see this quake was 100 times more powerful than the "likely" 100-yr. maximum of a 7.0 quake. Al Mitterling pulled Chernobyl into this. Chernobyl was a graphite "pile" with pressurized water cooling and with NO containment vessel. In a graphite pile, graphite is NOT a control material and the control rods were not graphite rods. Fukushima is not a graphite pile; Chernobyl is irrelevant to the Fukushima discussion. And the suggestion that correct procedure for a water- moderated reactor is let it boil off and expose the core to a meltdown is ludicrous. Graphite is a "moderator." The moderator makes the chain reaction happen. Moderators are substances that slow the velocity of neutrons down until they are "thermalized," or moving with the kinetic energy of room temperature. In the case of a neutron, that is the speed of an old man crossing his living room (or me on a bad day). ONLY slow neutrons can facilitate a chain reaction, slow, bashful neutrons that can slip into an uranium nucleus unnoticed, as it were, like the back door man. Graphite is only one possible moderator. Moderators can be almost anything with lots of hydrogen atoms -- water is the most obvious choice, and that's what "cools" the Fukushima reactor, yes, but the point is that it is the moderator (the important point), combining the two functions of cooling and slowing neutrons into one substance. "Control" material is stuff that sucks up neutrons, like the Roach Motel for neutrons --- "neutrons go in; they don't come out." Cadmium is excellent. A control material that's almost too good is boron 10 (takes in neutrons; emits short-range alpha particles or helium nuclei with a range of only a few millimeters after which they find a couple of electrons and settle down to be helium). Boron is more than a control material; it was, in the early days, called a "neutron poison." The contamination of American graphite by traces of boron almost ruined the attempts in 1940 to demonstration that a chain reaction was possible. So, if you actually look at the full data being released, http://theenergycollective.com/dan-yurman/53397/update-japanese-nuclear-reactors-following-89m-quake you will see that the current plan is to pump a mixture of sea water and boric acid through the reactor to "cool" it. Bah, they're not "cooling" it; they're killing it. A few news sources have puzzled over the choice of local sea water, which is corrosive. Well, it's likely boiling in inside. The detection of cesium means that fuel is exposed, which means its refractory cover is gone, and it takes 5000 digress to melt that... I'd guess it's boiling. Sea water will boil under pressure but leave a salt crust behind. If the sea water is mixed with boric acid, the salt crust will be full of boron. The boron will absorb the neutrons and hinder, slow, maybe stop the chain reaction by coating the fuel rods. Natural boron is 80% isotope 10 which is the "neutron-poisoner." Then, there's the on-again, off-again story of the US flying "coolant" to Japan. The two governments say, "no, well, yes," and "oh, yes, well, no" at random. Well, I think the best material to pump into the reactor would be suitably diluted drilling mud. Remember the Gulf oilwell blowout and the talk of "drilling mud"? That stuff is dense gooey BORATES. It would be the ultimate reactor killer. Purely speculation on my part, but that might be the mysterious "coolant" flown to Japan that they don't want to talk about. And, I doubt there was any drilling mud available in Japan, as Japan does
Re: [meteorite-list] Not to worry. Nukes are good.
Hi Folks, When local officials start handing out iodine pills and evacuating everyone within a 20km radius, this peasant runs for the hills. We have a nuclear power plant (Crystal River) near my home. I have never worried about it, and I won't worry about it now. But I must admit that I am worried for our friends in Japan. My stepson lived in Fukuoka for a year and half while teaching English. He met many nice people there and still has several friends who live there - some of whom who has not been able to get into contact with. I hope everything turns out OK. The Japanese, more than any people on Earth, know the full effects of radiation exposure, and I am sure they are taking this event very seriously. Let's all wish them luck in getting this situation under control. Best regards, MikeG On 3/12/11, John Hendry wrote: > Count, > > I'm sure it would help the peace of mind of the great unwashed and > medieval thinking people like myself if the liberal and antiliberal press > alike would do their job, ask the right questions to the right people, and > explain a few basic facts. I am presuming the reactor's pneumatically or > hydraulically operated control rods were deployed to stop fission in the > immediate aftermath of the quake. I have seen no news report confirming > this or even mentioning it. I am also presuming the attempts to maintain > cooling are to remove residual heat from the fuel. I have seen no news > report confirming this or even mentioning it. I am presuming the large > explosion I just watched on Fox at Fukushima No.1 was the water coolant > system giving way due to excessive pressure, which has me now speculating > that they lost relief valve control (flat battery?). These pictures are > running in conjunction with the commentary reporting that Japan's Nuclear > Safety Commission are saying that it may be experiencing a meltdown. So > all my peasant level analysis leads me to speculate that that the core is > hot, intact, with no fission reaction and is cooling slowly. Meanwhile the > redundancy in the cooling system has appeared to have failed to save its > plumbing from getting blown to bits by residual reactor heat. This appears > at odds to what their safety commission is telling the world so I have to > suspect my pathetic attempts to understand the events are in error. > > I just feel so very sad for the people in Japan. I cannot possibly fathom > from the information given by press and government institutions alike what > the true story is. And I would resist the notion, perhaps naively, that it > is due to apathy regarding trying to understand the science. I personally > think and hope that things will be just fine regarding any fuel > contamination (only low level from coolant dispersal - assuming no fuel > contamination) but I am not reassured by any listening, thinking, or > reading I have done. What do I know?... anything can go pear shaped. I've > worked in the Ukraine, I've seen first hand the melted carcass of Piper > Alpha. I agree with much of what you allude to My Lord, but I am not > enamoured of the tone in parts. The best laid plans of mice and men gang > aft aglae, and leave us nought but grief and pain for promised joy. Bad > things happen and dismissiveness of slim probabilities breeds complacency > and trivialises disaster when it inevitably comes. The handling and > containment of nuclear materials is serious stuff and warrants due respect > and consideration to the risk and reward of such endeavour, as does all > our other major sources of energy production. People shouldn't have to > break mental sweat to do research. They pay good money to government and > media organisations from the labours of their own expertise, and deserve > to be informed in accurate, unbiased and understandable terms. I don't > think the notion that this doesn't happen very well should lead to the > assumption that the lay electorate are peasants ill deserving of a hand on > their own destiny. > > Regards, > John > > > On 11/03/2011 21:48, "Count Deiro" wrote: > >>Not to worry Mike, Dirk and Listers, >> >>The GE designed reactors (1960) at Fukushima/Daiichi have triple on site >>redundancy in cooling and containment and the possibility of an >>uncontrolled environmentally harmful release of radioactive (in this case >>steam) is negligible. >> >>It's all in the numbers. When the media reports that core pressures are >>such and such above normal and that the radioactivity that might be >>released is " thousand of times above normal", they fail to tell you that >>"normal" is such a low level of emission as to mean nothing to humans, or >>the environment. >> >>This same kind of irresponsible reporting created the infamous, an >>unnecessary, panic at "Three Mile Island" where the total tritium release >>equated to a couple of X-rays, or a trip across the USA on an airliner. >> >>My point is, that If you demonstrated to the typical uneducated man in >>the street that a bit of
Re: [meteorite-list] Not to worry. Nukes are good.
Hi Count and all, Glad to see your post here. I just made the same comment to people yesterday who were worried. I believe that most (sensible) reactors use water to moderate the reaction. If the reactor gets too hot (pressure and all) then the water evaporates and the reaction stops. 3 Mile Island would have been a whole lot better if they had done nothing. It is the extra things they shouldn't have done that caused most of the problems. I believe there is a lot more education now for people involved in those. The Russian disaster was the result of using graphite rods to moderate the reaction. The reactor got too hot, warped the rods and they couldn't be pulled out and the result was a melt down. They only problem I see with nuclear energy is what to do with spent rods. We need a good way to contain them where nut jobs can't get there hands on them to hurt people. They leave the fuel in the rods so they are ten times larger than they have to be to make it harder for someone to walk off with material. Best and my heart goes out to all the Japanese people who have lost love ones and will have major clean up to do for weeks. I hope that things will go smooth and without further disaster. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: "Count Deiro" To: "Michael Gilmer" Cc: ; "drtanuki" Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 11:48 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Not to worry. Nukes are good. Not to worry Mike, Dirk and Listers, The GE designed reactors (1960) at Fukushima/Daiichi have triple on site redundancy in cooling and containment and the possibility of an uncontrolled environmentally harmful release of radioactive (in this case steam) is negligible. It's all in the numbers. When the media reports that core pressures are such and such above normal and that the radioactivity that might be released is " thousand of times above normal", they fail to tell you that "normal" is such a low level of emission as to mean nothing to humans, or the environment. This same kind of irresponsible reporting created the infamous, an unnecessary, panic at "Three Mile Island" where the total tritium release equated to a couple of X-rays, or a trip across the USA on an airliner. My point is, that If you demonstrated to the typical uneducated man in the street that a bit of Trinitite was giving off 1000 times the background (normal) radiation level, he'd panic. I've proved this by putting a contamination meter on Trinitite samples with the sensitivity set to high and watching my victim's reaction as it loudly goes off scale. When I served on Nevada's Nuclear Waste Study Committee and was the entertainment on the Chamber of Commerce and Lion's Club rubber chicken circuit, I used to place a common household smoke detector (They contain an Americium emitter) under some hapless audience member's chair and then, much to his discomfort, using a meter to locate him. The great unwashed have more fears than medieval peasants, yet they refuse to expend the mental sweat to learn the science. Ask them to listen to more than two sentences describing fission and their eyes glaze over. Yet their votes decide the future of energy production, or better said..the lack of itin my country. Regards and stay calm. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Not to worry. Nukes are good.
Count, I'm sure it would help the peace of mind of the great unwashed and medieval thinking people like myself if the liberal and antiliberal press alike would do their job, ask the right questions to the right people, and explain a few basic facts. I am presuming the reactor's pneumatically or hydraulically operated control rods were deployed to stop fission in the immediate aftermath of the quake. I have seen no news report confirming this or even mentioning it. I am also presuming the attempts to maintain cooling are to remove residual heat from the fuel. I have seen no news report confirming this or even mentioning it. I am presuming the large explosion I just watched on Fox at Fukushima No.1 was the water coolant system giving way due to excessive pressure, which has me now speculating that they lost relief valve control (flat battery?). These pictures are running in conjunction with the commentary reporting that Japan's Nuclear Safety Commission are saying that it may be experiencing a meltdown. So all my peasant level analysis leads me to speculate that that the core is hot, intact, with no fission reaction and is cooling slowly. Meanwhile the redundancy in the cooling system has appeared to have failed to save its plumbing from getting blown to bits by residual reactor heat. This appears at odds to what their safety commission is telling the world so I have to suspect my pathetic attempts to understand the events are in error. I just feel so very sad for the people in Japan. I cannot possibly fathom from the information given by press and government institutions alike what the true story is. And I would resist the notion, perhaps naively, that it is due to apathy regarding trying to understand the science. I personally think and hope that things will be just fine regarding any fuel contamination (only low level from coolant dispersal - assuming no fuel contamination) but I am not reassured by any listening, thinking, or reading I have done. What do I know?... anything can go pear shaped. I've worked in the Ukraine, I've seen first hand the melted carcass of Piper Alpha. I agree with much of what you allude to My Lord, but I am not enamoured of the tone in parts. The best laid plans of mice and men gang aft aglae, and leave us nought but grief and pain for promised joy. Bad things happen and dismissiveness of slim probabilities breeds complacency and trivialises disaster when it inevitably comes. The handling and containment of nuclear materials is serious stuff and warrants due respect and consideration to the risk and reward of such endeavour, as does all our other major sources of energy production. People shouldn't have to break mental sweat to do research. They pay good money to government and media organisations from the labours of their own expertise, and deserve to be informed in accurate, unbiased and understandable terms. I don't think the notion that this doesn't happen very well should lead to the assumption that the lay electorate are peasants ill deserving of a hand on their own destiny. Regards, John On 11/03/2011 21:48, "Count Deiro" wrote: >Not to worry Mike, Dirk and Listers, > >The GE designed reactors (1960) at Fukushima/Daiichi have triple on site >redundancy in cooling and containment and the possibility of an >uncontrolled environmentally harmful release of radioactive (in this case >steam) is negligible. > >It's all in the numbers. When the media reports that core pressures are >such and such above normal and that the radioactivity that might be >released is " thousand of times above normal", they fail to tell you that >"normal" is such a low level of emission as to mean nothing to humans, or >the environment. > >This same kind of irresponsible reporting created the infamous, an >unnecessary, panic at "Three Mile Island" where the total tritium release >equated to a couple of X-rays, or a trip across the USA on an airliner. > >My point is, that If you demonstrated to the typical uneducated man in >the street that a bit of Trinitite was giving off 1000 times the >background (normal) radiation level, he'd panic. I've proved this by >putting a contamination meter on Trinitite samples with the sensitivity >set to high and watching my victim's reaction as it loudly goes off scale. > >When I served on Nevada's Nuclear Waste Study Committee and was the >entertainment on the Chamber of Commerce and Lion's Club rubber chicken >circuit, I used to place a common household smoke detector (They contain >an Americium emitter) under some hapless audience member's chair and >then, much to his discomfort, using a meter to locate him. > >The great unwashed have more fears than medieval peasants, yet they >refuse to expend the mental sweat to learn the science. Ask them to >listen to more than two sentences describing fission and their eyes glaze >over. Yet their votes decide the future of energy production, or better >said..the lack of itin my country. > >Regards and stay calm. >
[meteorite-list] Not to worry. Nukes are good.
Not to worry Mike, Dirk and Listers, The GE designed reactors (1960) at Fukushima/Daiichi have triple on site redundancy in cooling and containment and the possibility of an uncontrolled environmentally harmful release of radioactive (in this case steam) is negligible. It's all in the numbers. When the media reports that core pressures are such and such above normal and that the radioactivity that might be released is " thousand of times above normal", they fail to tell you that "normal" is such a low level of emission as to mean nothing to humans, or the environment. This same kind of irresponsible reporting created the infamous, an unnecessary, panic at "Three Mile Island" where the total tritium release equated to a couple of X-rays, or a trip across the USA on an airliner. My point is, that If you demonstrated to the typical uneducated man in the street that a bit of Trinitite was giving off 1000 times the background (normal) radiation level, he'd panic. I've proved this by putting a contamination meter on Trinitite samples with the sensitivity set to high and watching my victim's reaction as it loudly goes off scale. When I served on Nevada's Nuclear Waste Study Committee and was the entertainment on the Chamber of Commerce and Lion's Club rubber chicken circuit, I used to place a common household smoke detector (They contain an Americium emitter) under some hapless audience member's chair and then, much to his discomfort, using a meter to locate him. The great unwashed have more fears than medieval peasants, yet they refuse to expend the mental sweat to learn the science. Ask them to listen to more than two sentences describing fission and their eyes glaze over. Yet their votes decide the future of energy production, or better said..the lack of itin my country. Regards and stay calm. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: Michael Gilmer >Sent: Mar 11, 2011 6:32 PM >To: Count Deiro >Cc: drtanuki , meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 8.9 Quake in Japan, 10 meter Tsunami, Hope Dirk >and others are ok > >Hi Count and List, > >I pray you are correct Count! The situation at Fukashima is getting >worse and they are trying to open the valve to release pressure - a >bad sign itself. And now they are having problems getting the valve >to work. :( > >Best regards, > >MikeG > >-- >Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites > >Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com >Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone >News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 >Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone >EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 >--- > > >On 3/11/11, Count Deiro wrote: >> There are two chances that any reactor built in a developed country will do >> a Chernobyl. >> >> Slim and None. >> >> The liberal media loves to run with this stuff to increase viewership. >> Politicians demagogue everything nuclear to get re-elected. The result is an >> electorate with more unfounded fears than a mob of medival peasants. >> >> Count Deiro >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >>>From: Michael Gilmer >>>Sent: Mar 11, 2011 8:05 AM >>>To: drtanuki >>>Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 8.9 Quake in Japan, 10 meter Tsunami, Hope >>> Dirk and others are ok >>> >>>Stay safe Dirk! I hope you are nowhere near the Fukashima (sp?) >>>nuclear power plant. I heard they cannot cool the reactor and they >>>are evacuating the facility. It could be another 3-mile Island or >>>Chernobyl. >>> >>>My thoughts and prayers go out to everyone in the quake zone. >>> >>>Best regards, >>> >>>MikeG >>> >>>-- >>>Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites >>> >>>Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com >>>Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone >>>News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 >>>Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone >>>EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 >>>--- >>> >>>On 3/11/11, drtanuki wrote: We are having another big rupture as I type under the table. Dirk...Tokyo --- On Sat, 3/12/11, Darren Garrison wrote: > From: Darren Garrison > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 8.9 Quake in Japan, 10 meter Tsunami, Hope > Dirk and others are ok > To: "Meteorite-list" > Date: Saturday, March 12, 2011, 12:16 AM > Here's a live English news feed on Al > Jazeera: > > http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/ > > and the NHK: > > http://wwitv.com/tv_channels/6810.htm > __ >
