Re: [meteorite-list] Notice to eBay Meteorite Sellers
Most of the problems with eBay started to show up when they expanded into China which was the number one producer of fake meteorites at that time. The market then become flooded with Chinese-made Wal-Mart type goods. I cannot enter a Wal-Mart without becoming sick since many of the products are still degassing noxious vapors fresh from China. You can smell all of the Pleather (plastic leather) and Naugahyde products the second you enter the store. It seems eBay has become a fulfillment house instead of a place where collectors can gather to make pleasant exchanges. These days, many of the good products are drowned out by the sheer number of bad. I had a vehicle floor jack collapse after I heard a shh noise and detected the odor of rotten fish. It was fortunate that I use safety jack stands or I would have been crushed after a single use. I examined the brand-new floor jack and was appalled to see the Made in China sticker proudly hidden in a place most consumers would never look. Apparently, they ran out machine oil and decided to use some stale fish oil instead during manufacturing thus the fish oil leak. How about dog food with sawdust filler, a pillow stuffed with flammable recycled newspaper or my favorite, genuine fake prescription health products? At least a politician here in Nevada may now understand the importance of quality when he nearly lost an eye after a rubber band snapped on his exercise equipment! It is too bad that eBay has lost touch with the importance of a quality experience. Are they really protecting the buyer by allowing inferior and sometimes dangerous products into their forum? Adam - Original Message - From: almitt2--- via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 12:33 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Notice to eBay Meteorite Sellers Greetings, About time that eBay was humbled a bit. Every time I get on to sell I find that things are even more restrictive than the last time I sold. While the buyers should be protective from fraud, so should the sellers. As was said, eBay use to be about a market place for sellers to sell and buyer to buy in a safe environment. It is certainly one sided for the buyers now. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Notice to eBay Meteorite Sellers
Greetings, About time that eBay was humbled a bit. Every time I get on to sell I find that things are even more restrictive than the last time I sold. While the buyers should be protective from fraud, so should the sellers. As was said, eBay use to be about a market place for sellers to sell and buyer to buy in a safe environment. It is certainly one sided for the buyers now. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Notice to eBay Meteorite Sellers
Greetings, About time that eBay was humbled a bit. Every time I get on to sell I find that things are even more restrictive than the last time I sold. While the buyers should be protective from fraud, so should the sellers. As was said, eBay use to be about a market place for sellers to sell and buyer to buy in a safe environment. It is certainly one sided for the buyers now. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Notice to eBay Meteorite Sellers
I heard news today that a judge gave the green light for a class action suit for a group of sellers against eBay for their policies hurting sellers. Maybe they will get their proverbial head handed to them! Ed - Original Message - From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Notice to eBay Meteorite Sellers Yes, eBay is outrageous in some of their actions. They were asking sellers to provide a 180-day return period at one point in order for sellers to keep their best seller status. Talk about unreasonable! It is almost as bad as government forced healthcare which now cost me an extra $380.00 a month with a much higher deductible and less coverage. EBay has forgotten what it used to be; A place to bring sellers and buyers together. Just like the government and its employees are supposed to be public servants, not masters of our lives! Adam , - Original Message - From: Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com To: Ron Baalke baa...@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov; Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com Cc: Galactic Stone Ironworks via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Notice to eBay Meteorite Sellers There is a class action lawsuit against ebay you can see at the link here; http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/judge-rules-class-action-suit-against-ebay-and-paypal-may-proceed-081414.html -- Love Life Galactic Stone Ironworks via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: Hi Ron, That is exactly the line of thinking I had in mind. I try not to share my financial information online anywhere unless it's necessary and then it is through PayPal only. If PayPal gets hacked, fine. eBay, Facebook, Twitter, or any other websites do not need direct access to my bank accounts. If I sell on eBay, then eBay has a clear and understandable need to access your financial information - to pay your seller fees, or to reimburse in the case of seller fraud. But, if I am not selling, then why should I link my account? What is the benefit to me as a buyer? Now, let's look at the ongoing increase in buyer fraud and PayPal-manipulation by unethical buyers. eBay might have an interest in making sure they have greater access to a buyer's information, just in case the buyer commits a clear case of fraud. eBay and the seller would have greater potential recourse against a criminal buyer. So perhaps this seller setting requirement is a new option to combat buyer fraud? Maybe this is a new setting in the seller dashboard somewhere. If it is, I cannot see it, because I poked around in the seller settings just to look. I will take a screen shot of it the next time I encounter it. I think one of the sellers was a dealer in Europe, maybe France. One of the dealers was a US-based one. Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - On 3/1/15, Ron Baalke via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: What I am referring to is bidder requirements. I tried to place a bid on two different specimens from two different dealers and both times eBay stopped me and said I could not bid because my PayPal account is not linked to eBay. For security reasons, it's just a very bad idea to link any of your online accounts together. Period. This applies not just to ebay paypal, but Twitter, Facebook, etc. Ebay has been hacked into before. The next time ebay is hacked - and there will be most definitely be a next time - all your accounts linked to it are automatically accessible to the hackers. Keep that in mind. Ron __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https
Re: [meteorite-list] Notice to eBay Meteorite Sellers
There is a class action lawsuit against ebay you can see at the link here; http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/judge-rules-class-action-suit-against-ebay-and-paypal-may-proceed-081414.html -- Love Life Galactic Stone Ironworks via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: Hi Ron, That is exactly the line of thinking I had in mind. I try not to share my financial information online anywhere unless it's necessary and then it is through PayPal only. If PayPal gets hacked, fine. eBay, Facebook, Twitter, or any other websites do not need direct access to my bank accounts. If I sell on eBay, then eBay has a clear and understandable need to access your financial information - to pay your seller fees, or to reimburse in the case of seller fraud. But, if I am not selling, then why should I link my account? What is the benefit to me as a buyer? Now, let's look at the ongoing increase in buyer fraud and PayPal-manipulation by unethical buyers. eBay might have an interest in making sure they have greater access to a buyer's information, just in case the buyer commits a clear case of fraud. eBay and the seller would have greater potential recourse against a criminal buyer. So perhaps this seller setting requirement is a new option to combat buyer fraud? Maybe this is a new setting in the seller dashboard somewhere. If it is, I cannot see it, because I poked around in the seller settings just to look. I will take a screen shot of it the next time I encounter it. I think one of the sellers was a dealer in Europe, maybe France. One of the dealers was a US-based one. Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - On 3/1/15, Ron Baalke via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: What I am referring to is bidder requirements. I tried to place a bid on two different specimens from two different dealers and both times eBay stopped me and said I could not bid because my PayPal account is not linked to eBay. For security reasons, it's just a very bad idea to link any of your online accounts together. Period. This applies not just to ebay paypal, but Twitter, Facebook, etc. Ebay has been hacked into before. The next time ebay is hacked - and there will be most definitely be a next time - all your accounts linked to it are automatically accessible to the hackers. Keep that in mind. Ron __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Notice to eBay Meteorite Sellers
Yes, eBay is outrageous in some of their actions. They were asking sellers to provide a 180-day return period at one point in order for sellers to keep their best seller status. Talk about unreasonable! It is almost as bad as government forced healthcare which now cost me an extra $380.00 a month with a much higher deductible and less coverage. EBay has forgotten what it used to be; A place to bring sellers and buyers together. Just like the government and its employees are supposed to be public servants, not masters of our lives! Adam , - Original Message - From: Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com To: Ron Baalke baa...@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov; Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com Cc: Galactic Stone Ironworks via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Notice to eBay Meteorite Sellers There is a class action lawsuit against ebay you can see at the link here; http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/judge-rules-class-action-suit-against-ebay-and-paypal-may-proceed-081414.html -- Love Life Galactic Stone Ironworks via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: Hi Ron, That is exactly the line of thinking I had in mind. I try not to share my financial information online anywhere unless it's necessary and then it is through PayPal only. If PayPal gets hacked, fine. eBay, Facebook, Twitter, or any other websites do not need direct access to my bank accounts. If I sell on eBay, then eBay has a clear and understandable need to access your financial information - to pay your seller fees, or to reimburse in the case of seller fraud. But, if I am not selling, then why should I link my account? What is the benefit to me as a buyer? Now, let's look at the ongoing increase in buyer fraud and PayPal-manipulation by unethical buyers. eBay might have an interest in making sure they have greater access to a buyer's information, just in case the buyer commits a clear case of fraud. eBay and the seller would have greater potential recourse against a criminal buyer. So perhaps this seller setting requirement is a new option to combat buyer fraud? Maybe this is a new setting in the seller dashboard somewhere. If it is, I cannot see it, because I poked around in the seller settings just to look. I will take a screen shot of it the next time I encounter it. I think one of the sellers was a dealer in Europe, maybe France. One of the dealers was a US-based one. Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - On 3/1/15, Ron Baalke via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: What I am referring to is bidder requirements. I tried to place a bid on two different specimens from two different dealers and both times eBay stopped me and said I could not bid because my PayPal account is not linked to eBay. For security reasons, it's just a very bad idea to link any of your online accounts together. Period. This applies not just to ebay paypal, but Twitter, Facebook, etc. Ebay has been hacked into before. The next time ebay is hacked - and there will be most definitely be a next time - all your accounts linked to it are automatically accessible to the hackers. Keep that in mind. Ron __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Notice to eBay Meteorite Sellers
What I am referring to is bidder requirements. I tried to place a bid on two different specimens from two different dealers and both times eBay stopped me and said I could not bid because my PayPal account is not linked to eBay. For security reasons, it's just a very bad idea to link any of your online accounts together. Period. This applies not just to ebay paypal, but Twitter, Facebook, etc. Ebay has been hacked into before. The next time ebay is hacked - and there will be most definitely be a next time - all your accounts linked to it are automatically accessible to the hackers. Keep that in mind. Ron __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Notice to eBay Meteorite Sellers
Hi Anne and List, No, I have PayPal and use PayPal, but my PayPal account is not linked to my eBay account. I do not sell on eBay. so eBay has no business having deeper access into my PayPal account. What if eBay gets hacked again? What if eBay makes a mistake and autobills me for something? I pay for eBay items with PayPal, but there is some kind of seller setting that allows sellers to block bids from bidders with accounts not linked to eBay. I will take a screenshot of it the next time it happens. I don't recall offhand who the sellers in question are. Best regards, MikeG On 3/1/15, Anne Black impact...@aol.com wrote: Mike, I am sorry to disagree with you but if I was still selling on Ebay I would require buyers to use Paypal. Why? Let me tell you why. A few years ago, when I was still accepting credit cards, a guy bought $4000 worth of merchandise, my bank accepted the card, so did the issuing bank, and told me that I was clear to ship. A few weeks later the $4000 disappeared from my bank account. I called my bank then the other bank, and ended up having not so friendly discussions with the fraud department of 3 different banks, and they all said the same thing. A guy with a stolen credit card number has 2 to 3 weeks to buy up a storm (often on Ebay!), stuff he can resell quickly on Craiglist (or Ebay!), gather up the loot and disappear, before the real owner of the card discovers the problem. By then you find out that the name was fake (since he gave you the card number in an email you never saw what name was really on the card), the address was a mail box somewhere. The 3 banks admitted that stealing meteorites was unusual but the rest was standard procedure, and no, there was nothing they could/would do about my loss. So I was out $4000 and the merchandise; since it happened to be consignment pieces, I also had to paid the owner of those pieces. That is when I stopped accepting cards. I already had a Paypal account, most everybody including big institutions (even NASA!) have one too, so now my preferred form of payment is Paypal. And no I have never had a problem with Paypal. I made that decision a few years ago, before Target, Home Depot, and many others got hacked and millions of credit card numbers got stolen, so the odds of dealing with a thief with a stolen card are even greater now. And since I don't want my card numbers to be stolen too, I have retired them, I pay everything cash or checks (or Paypal on the Net). And it has never been a problem. Have I lost sales because of it? not that I know of, even during the Tucson Show, people are happy to whip out their smart phone and go to Paypal. And now you know. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone Ironworks via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, Feb 28, 2015 6:50 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] Notice to eBay Meteorite Sellers Hi Folks, I have noticed a new trend with meteorite dealers on eBay. Two different dealers have done this that I know of, and there may be others. What I am referring to is bidder requirements. I tried to place a bid on two different specimens from two different dealers and both times eBay stopped me and said I could not bid because my PayPal account is not linked to eBay. I think eBay is a hell for sellers and I loathe the eBay boardroom. I do not want those greedy bastards having any more access to my financial information that is necessary. So I refuse to link my PayPal account to eBay. I know this is somewhat silly since both companies are intimately linked, but I do not want eBay having it's hooks any deeper into my pocketbook than necessary. I am sure there are other eBay members who feel the same. If you are a seller who has set this requirment, you are losing sales. You just lost one right now. I could have bid your items up, but I was not allowed to place a bid. It's not my loss, I will always find the specimen I want eventually, either off eBay entirely, or from another seller without those requirements. My money is just as green as anyone else's and it spends just the same. If you have this requirement set on your eBay auctions, then you are losing money. Just a heads-up. Do with it what you want. ;) Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo
Re: [meteorite-list] Notice to eBay Meteorite Sellers
Hi Ron, That is exactly the line of thinking I had in mind. I try not to share my financial information online anywhere unless it's necessary and then it is through PayPal only. If PayPal gets hacked, fine. eBay, Facebook, Twitter, or any other websites do not need direct access to my bank accounts. If I sell on eBay, then eBay has a clear and understandable need to access your financial information - to pay your seller fees, or to reimburse in the case of seller fraud. But, if I am not selling, then why should I link my account? What is the benefit to me as a buyer? Now, let's look at the ongoing increase in buyer fraud and PayPal-manipulation by unethical buyers. eBay might have an interest in making sure they have greater access to a buyer's information, just in case the buyer commits a clear case of fraud. eBay and the seller would have greater potential recourse against a criminal buyer. So perhaps this seller setting requirement is a new option to combat buyer fraud? Maybe this is a new setting in the seller dashboard somewhere. If it is, I cannot see it, because I poked around in the seller settings just to look. I will take a screen shot of it the next time I encounter it. I think one of the sellers was a dealer in Europe, maybe France. One of the dealers was a US-based one. Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - On 3/1/15, Ron Baalke via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: What I am referring to is bidder requirements. I tried to place a bid on two different specimens from two different dealers and both times eBay stopped me and said I could not bid because my PayPal account is not linked to eBay. For security reasons, it's just a very bad idea to link any of your online accounts together. Period. This applies not just to ebay paypal, but Twitter, Facebook, etc. Ebay has been hacked into before. The next time ebay is hacked - and there will be most definitely be a next time - all your accounts linked to it are automatically accessible to the hackers. Keep that in mind. Ron __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Notice to eBay Meteorite Sellers
Mike, I am sorry to disagree with you but if I was still selling on Ebay I would require buyers to use Paypal. Why? Let me tell you why. A few years ago, when I was still accepting credit cards, a guy bought $4000 worth of merchandise, my bank accepted the card, so did the issuing bank, and told me that I was clear to ship. A few weeks later the $4000 disappeared from my bank account. I called my bank then the other bank, and ended up having not so friendly discussions with the fraud department of 3 different banks, and they all said the same thing. A guy with a stolen credit card number has 2 to 3 weeks to buy up a storm (often on Ebay!), stuff he can resell quickly on Craiglist (or Ebay!), gather up the loot and disappear, before the real owner of the card discovers the problem. By then you find out that the name was fake (since he gave you the card number in an email you never saw what name was really on the card), the address was a mail box somewhere. The 3 banks admitted that stealing meteorites was unusual but the rest was standard procedure, and no, there was nothing they could/would do about my loss. So I was out $4000 and the merchandise; since it happened to be consignment pieces, I also had to paid the owner of those pieces. That is when I stopped accepting cards. I already had a Paypal account, most everybody including big institutions (even NASA!) have one too, so now my preferred form of payment is Paypal. And no I have never had a problem with Paypal. I made that decision a few years ago, before Target, Home Depot, and many others got hacked and millions of credit card numbers got stolen, so the odds of dealing with a thief with a stolen card are even greater now. And since I don't want my card numbers to be stolen too, I have retired them, I pay everything cash or checks (or Paypal on the Net). And it has never been a problem. Have I lost sales because of it? not that I know of, even during the Tucson Show, people are happy to whip out their smart phone and go to Paypal. And now you know. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone Ironworks via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, Feb 28, 2015 6:50 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] Notice to eBay Meteorite Sellers Hi Folks, I have noticed a new trend with meteorite dealers on eBay. Two different dealers have done this that I know of, and there may be others. What I am referring to is bidder requirements. I tried to place a bid on two different specimens from two different dealers and both times eBay stopped me and said I could not bid because my PayPal account is not linked to eBay. I think eBay is a hell for sellers and I loathe the eBay boardroom. I do not want those greedy bastards having any more access to my financial information that is necessary. So I refuse to link my PayPal account to eBay. I know this is somewhat silly since both companies are intimately linked, but I do not want eBay having it's hooks any deeper into my pocketbook than necessary. I am sure there are other eBay members who feel the same. If you are a seller who has set this requirment, you are losing sales. You just lost one right now. I could have bid your items up, but I was not allowed to place a bid. It's not my loss, I will always find the specimen I want eventually, either off eBay entirely, or from another seller without those requirements. My money is just as green as anyone else's and it spends just the same. If you have this requirement set on your eBay auctions, then you are losing money. Just a heads-up. Do with it what you want. ;) Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Notice to eBay Meteorite Sellers
Hi Anne, I wonder if using PayPal really solves the problem. As a buyer, you can back up your PayPal account to a credit card - not your bank account. So thinking out loud, I wonder if a shady individual can create a PayPal account with a stolen credit card, which gets you back to square one. And if a buyer is unhappy with a seller, the buyer can put a stop on the credit card payment to PayPal. As far as I know, you are supposed to go through PayPal to arbitrate disputes, but if the buyer ignores these rules, the buyer can still go the stop credit card payment route. In any event, for those who are worried about giving PayPal/ebay access to bank accounts - you don't have to go this route. You can create a PayPal account off of a credit card alone, with no bank information supplied. Mark Mark Grossman Meteorite Manuscripts Briarcliff Manor, NY 10510 http://meteoritemanuscripts.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/MetManuscripts http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Meteorite-Manuscripts/152949358073543?v=wall - Original Message - From: Anne Black via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com To: meteoritem...@gmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Notice to eBay Meteorite Sellers Mike, I am sorry to disagree with you but if I was still selling on Ebay I would require buyers to use Paypal. Why? Let me tell you why. A few years ago, when I was still accepting credit cards, a guy bought $4000 worth of merchandise, my bank accepted the card, so did the issuing bank, and told me that I was clear to ship. A few weeks later the $4000 disappeared from my bank account. I called my bank then the other bank, and ended up having not so friendly discussions with the fraud department of 3 different banks, and they all said the same thing. A guy with a stolen credit card number has 2 to 3 weeks to buy up a storm (often on Ebay!), stuff he can resell quickly on Craiglist (or Ebay!), gather up the loot and disappear, before the real owner of the card discovers the problem. By then you find out that the name was fake (since he gave you the card number in an email you never saw what name was really on the card), the address was a mail box somewhere. The 3 banks admitted that stealing meteorites was unusual but the rest was standard procedure, and no, there was nothing they could/would do about my loss. So I was out $4000 and the merchandise; since it happened to be consignment pieces, I also had to paid the owner of those pieces. That is when I stopped accepting cards. I already had a Paypal account, most everybody including big institutions (even NASA!) have one too, so now my preferred form of payment is Paypal. And no I have never had a problem with Paypal. I made that decision a few years ago, before Target, Home Depot, and many others got hacked and millions of credit card numbers got stolen, so the odds of dealing with a thief with a stolen card are even greater now. And since I don't want my card numbers to be stolen too, I have retired them, I pay everything cash or checks (or Paypal on the Net). And it has never been a problem. Have I lost sales because of it? not that I know of, even during the Tucson Show, people are happy to whip out their smart phone and go to Paypal. And now you know. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone Ironworks via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, Feb 28, 2015 6:50 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] Notice to eBay Meteorite Sellers Hi Folks, I have noticed a new trend with meteorite dealers on eBay. Two different dealers have done this that I know of, and there may be others. What I am referring to is bidder requirements. I tried to place a bid on two different specimens from two different dealers and both times eBay stopped me and said I could not bid because my PayPal account is not linked to eBay. I think eBay is a hell for sellers and I loathe the eBay boardroom. I do not want those greedy bastards having any more access to my financial information that is necessary. So I refuse to link my PayPal account to eBay. I know this is somewhat silly since both companies are intimately linked, but I do not want eBay having it's hooks any deeper into my pocketbook than necessary. I am sure there are other eBay members who feel the same. If you are a seller who has set this requirment, you are losing sales. You just lost one right now. I could have bid your items up, but I was not allowed to place a bid. It's not my loss, I will always find the specimen I want eventually, either off eBay entirely, or from another seller without those requirements. My money is just as green as anyone else's and it spends just the same. If you have this requirement set on your eBay auctions, then you are losing
Re: [meteorite-list] Notice to eBay Meteorite Sellers
This happened to me with a Bomber jacket. Ebay would not even refund my seller fees and told me the same thing and offered other advice. To file an internet crime report at http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx. I did so, but ebay said they will not kick this guy out until he does it to a few more people. The clown I dealt with returned a cheap wind breaker. I lost $600.00. I made ebay aware of this problem before they refunded the thief but, ebay told me they have no way of dealing with thieves until they do it a few times. --Best regards, Carl Love Life Gmail via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: This is a case where I would involve the police if possible. Guaranteed that this buyer has done this before. Mendy Ouzillou On Feb 28, 2015, at 6:12 PM, Rick Montgomery via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: Howdy List, A day ago, through FB, a fella named David who has stellar honest reputation, posted an episode of crappy result that happened on F'bay: having sold a completely rebuilt top-6-slab-saw shipped and received from the 'buyer'...then endured the inability to contest what happened next: The 'buyer' claimed that condition was flawed, and sent the 'item' back, money refunded to David. David received a completely different chopped up hack-job, after refunding the 'buyer' his purchase price. EfBay then dissolved any affiliation, and David is effedthe scammer now has a new re-built 6 saw, scammed, STOLEN, and EfBay offered advice, The cost of doing business WTF? My 2 cents worth. Richard montgomery -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone Ironworks via Meteorite-list Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 5:50 PM To: Meteorite List Subject: [meteorite-list] Notice to eBay Meteorite Sellers Hi Folks, I have noticed a new trend with meteorite dealers on eBay. Two different dealers have done this that I know of, and there may be others. What I am referring to is bidder requirements. I tried to place a bid on two different specimens from two different dealers and both times eBay stopped me and said I could not bid because my PayPal account is not linked to eBay. I think eBay is a hell for sellers and I loathe the eBay boardroom. I do not want those greedy bastards having any more access to my financial information that is necessary. So I refuse to link my PayPal account to eBay. I know this is somewhat silly since both companies are intimately linked, but I do not want eBay having it's hooks any deeper into my pocketbook than necessary. I am sure there are other eBay members who feel the same. If you are a seller who has set this requirment, you are losing sales. You just lost one right now. I could have bid your items up, but I was not allowed to place a bid. It's not my loss, I will always find the specimen I want eventually, either off eBay entirely, or from another seller without those requirements. My money is just as green as anyone else's and it spends just the same. If you have this requirement set on your eBay auctions, then you are losing money. Just a heads-up. Do with it what you want. ;) Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Notice to eBay Meteorite Sellers
This is a case where I would involve the police if possible. Guaranteed that this buyer has done this before. Mendy Ouzillou On Feb 28, 2015, at 6:12 PM, Rick Montgomery via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: Howdy List, A day ago, through FB, a fella named David who has stellar honest reputation, posted an episode of crappy result that happened on F'bay: having sold a completely rebuilt top-6-slab-saw shipped and received from the 'buyer'...then endured the inability to contest what happened next: The 'buyer' claimed that condition was flawed, and sent the 'item' back, money refunded to David. David received a completely different chopped up hack-job, after refunding the 'buyer' his purchase price. EfBay then dissolved any affiliation, and David is effedthe scammer now has a new re-built 6 saw, scammed, STOLEN, and EfBay offered advice, The cost of doing business WTF? My 2 cents worth. Richard montgomery -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone Ironworks via Meteorite-list Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 5:50 PM To: Meteorite List Subject: [meteorite-list] Notice to eBay Meteorite Sellers Hi Folks, I have noticed a new trend with meteorite dealers on eBay. Two different dealers have done this that I know of, and there may be others. What I am referring to is bidder requirements. I tried to place a bid on two different specimens from two different dealers and both times eBay stopped me and said I could not bid because my PayPal account is not linked to eBay. I think eBay is a hell for sellers and I loathe the eBay boardroom. I do not want those greedy bastards having any more access to my financial information that is necessary. So I refuse to link my PayPal account to eBay. I know this is somewhat silly since both companies are intimately linked, but I do not want eBay having it's hooks any deeper into my pocketbook than necessary. I am sure there are other eBay members who feel the same. If you are a seller who has set this requirment, you are losing sales. You just lost one right now. I could have bid your items up, but I was not allowed to place a bid. It's not my loss, I will always find the specimen I want eventually, either off eBay entirely, or from another seller without those requirements. My money is just as green as anyone else's and it spends just the same. If you have this requirement set on your eBay auctions, then you are losing money. Just a heads-up. Do with it what you want. ;) Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Notice to eBay Meteorite Sellers
Yes, eBay is making it very difficult for sellers with too many new rules and regulations. I was so flustered one time because of all the eBay software changes that I accidentally refunded somebody $500.00 before the item was even sent back. Needless to say, I never received the item so I lost $500.00. Even though the buyer made an offer which I accepted, he claimed his reason for returning the item was that I was asking too much. I think a lot of buyers of large ticket items are drinking and bidding since many requests come in to cancel transactions a few days afterwards. EBay needs to do a better job of vetting out bidders with poor business etiquette. Too many flakes! It is becoming like the new U.S. government, too many rules and regulations! Expect to see a major increase in internet rates now that the U.S. government wants to control it like every other aspect of our lives. EBay is no different! Adam - Original Message - From: Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com To: Gmail mendy.ouzil...@gmail.com; rickm...@earthlink.net Cc: Gmail via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Notice to eBay Meteorite Sellers This happened to me with a Bomber jacket. Ebay would not even refund my seller fees and told me the same thing and offered other advice. To file an internet crime report at http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx. I did so, but ebay said they will not kick this guy out until he does it to a few more people. The clown I dealt with returned a cheap wind breaker. I lost $600.00. I made ebay aware of this problem before they refunded the thief but, ebay told me they have no way of dealing with thieves until they do it a few times. --Best regards, Carl Love Life Gmail via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: This is a case where I would involve the police if possible. Guaranteed that this buyer has done this before. Mendy Ouzillou On Feb 28, 2015, at 6:12 PM, Rick Montgomery via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: Howdy List, A day ago, through FB, a fella named David who has stellar honest reputation, posted an episode of crappy result that happened on F'bay: having sold a completely rebuilt top-6-slab-saw shipped and received from the 'buyer'...then endured the inability to contest what happened next: The 'buyer' claimed that condition was flawed, and sent the 'item' back, money refunded to David. David received a completely different chopped up hack-job, after refunding the 'buyer' his purchase price. EfBay then dissolved any affiliation, and David is effedthe scammer now has a new re-built 6 saw, scammed, STOLEN, and EfBay offered advice, The cost of doing business WTF? My 2 cents worth. Richard montgomery -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone Ironworks via Meteorite-list Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 5:50 PM To: Meteorite List Subject: [meteorite-list] Notice to eBay Meteorite Sellers Hi Folks, I have noticed a new trend with meteorite dealers on eBay. Two different dealers have done this that I know of, and there may be others. What I am referring to is bidder requirements. I tried to place a bid on two different specimens from two different dealers and both times eBay stopped me and said I could not bid because my PayPal account is not linked to eBay. I think eBay is a hell for sellers and I loathe the eBay boardroom. I do not want those greedy bastards having any more access to my financial information that is necessary. So I refuse to link my PayPal account to eBay. I know this is somewhat silly since both companies are intimately linked, but I do not want eBay having it's hooks any deeper into my pocketbook than necessary. I am sure there are other eBay members who feel the same. If you are a seller who has set this requirment, you are losing sales. You just lost one right now. I could have bid your items up, but I was not allowed to place a bid. It's not my loss, I will always find the specimen I want eventually, either off eBay entirely, or from another seller without those requirements. My money is just as green as anyone else's and it spends just the same. If you have this requirement set on your eBay auctions, then you are losing money. Just a heads-up. Do with it what you want. ;) Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo
[meteorite-list] Notice to eBay Meteorite Sellers
Hi Folks, I have noticed a new trend with meteorite dealers on eBay. Two different dealers have done this that I know of, and there may be others. What I am referring to is bidder requirements. I tried to place a bid on two different specimens from two different dealers and both times eBay stopped me and said I could not bid because my PayPal account is not linked to eBay. I think eBay is a hell for sellers and I loathe the eBay boardroom. I do not want those greedy bastards having any more access to my financial information that is necessary. So I refuse to link my PayPal account to eBay. I know this is somewhat silly since both companies are intimately linked, but I do not want eBay having it's hooks any deeper into my pocketbook than necessary. I am sure there are other eBay members who feel the same. If you are a seller who has set this requirment, you are losing sales. You just lost one right now. I could have bid your items up, but I was not allowed to place a bid. It's not my loss, I will always find the specimen I want eventually, either off eBay entirely, or from another seller without those requirements. My money is just as green as anyone else's and it spends just the same. If you have this requirement set on your eBay auctions, then you are losing money. Just a heads-up. Do with it what you want. ;) Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
