Re: [meteorite-list] Oregon / Washington Meteorite hunting regulations on BLM Land
The scientific community is not more interested in irons than stony meteorites, although some very interesting research is being done on irons. However, large meteorites make wonderful exhibits and catch attention of the press. Almost all large meteorites are irons (or pallasites), such as Old Woman, which was at the core of the biggest ownership controversy involving meteorites found on federal lands. Jeff On 11/8/2010 7:46 PM, Thunder Stone wrote: List: It sounds simple to me: If they really really want it, they will take it. If not, then it's the finders, so have fun out there. This brings up something that I've always wondered about. Why is the scientific community so much more interested in Irons over stony meteorites? Does the Iron provide more scientific information? I suspect if you found an Iron on BLM land, they would want it. Greg S. Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:48:26 -0500 From: meteoritem...@gmail.com To: wahlpe...@aol.com CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Oregon / Washington Meteorite hunting regulations on BLM Land Hi Sonny and List, My take on this is - I think the government is covering it's behind, just in case a significant find is made. But I think there is little desire or ability to enforce this on every meteorite found by every prospector. Zealous or difficult local BLM officials may use this as an excuse to hassle people. However, most rank and file enforcement personnel have more important things to worry about. So it will probably remain business as usual for the majority of prospectors in the majority of situations. But, if you find something very significant, the legal groundwork is in place for the federal government to assert it's authority and ownership. Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 11/8/10, wahlpe...@aol.com wrote: Hi list, Sorry for the possible double post. Here is their reply from the BLM in Oregon regarding meteorite hunting. Thanks, Sonny Sonny: It is the Washington Office Policy that meteorites belong to the Federal government, the policy statement on the BLM Oregon/Washington website is taken from the Washington Office, this is partly based on Old Woman Meteorite case (under the Antiquities Act) you mentioned and I have attached. In practise, there is no official guidance for us on how to manage meteorites nor has this been put into the Code of Federal Regulations and I'm not aware of any enforcement action being taken against collectors on public lands. I'm wondering if this policy was written more for a significant meteorite find such as the Old Woman case, and would give Federal government ability to assert ownership if it decided to, if the meteorite had considerable scientific value? Sorry, this isn't very clear cut. Steve __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Oregon / Washington Meteorite hunting regulations on BLM Land
Hi list, Sorry for the possible double post. Here is their reply from the BLM in Oregon regarding meteorite hunting. Thanks, Sonny Sonny: It is the Washington Office Policy that meteorites belong to the Federal government, the policy statement on the BLM Oregon/Washington website is taken from the Washington Office, this is partly based on Old Woman Meteorite case (under the Antiquities Act) you mentioned and I have attached. In practise, there is no official guidance for us on how to manage meteorites nor has this been put into the Code of Federal Regulations and I'm not aware of any enforcement action being taken against collectors on public lands. I'm wondering if this policy was written more for a significant meteorite find such as the Old Woman case, and would give Federal government ability to assert ownership if it decided to, if the meteorite had considerable scientific value? Sorry, this isn't very clear cut. Steve __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oregon / Washington Meteorite hunting regulations on BLM Land
Scientific Value (interest) = Translation: Big Cool = Government says Mine! On 11/8/2010 2:16 PM, wahlpe...@aol.com wrote: Hi list, Sorry for the possible double post. Here is their reply from the BLM in Oregon regarding meteorite hunting. Thanks, Sonny Sonny: It is the Washington Office Policy that meteorites belong to the Federal government, the policy statement on the BLM Oregon/Washington website is taken from the Washington Office, this is partly based on Old Woman Meteorite case (under the Antiquities Act) you mentioned and I have attached. In practise, there is no official guidance for us on how to manage meteorites nor has this been put into the Code of Federal Regulations and I'm not aware of any enforcement action being taken against collectors on public lands. I'm wondering if this policy was written more for a significant meteorite find such as the Old Woman case, and would give Federal government ability to assert ownership if it decided to, if the meteorite had considerable scientific value? Sorry, this isn't very clear cut. Steve __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oregon / Washington Meteorite hunting regulations on BLM Land
Hi Sonny and List, My take on this is - I think the government is covering it's behind, just in case a significant find is made. But I think there is little desire or ability to enforce this on every meteorite found by every prospector. Zealous or difficult local BLM officials may use this as an excuse to hassle people. However, most rank and file enforcement personnel have more important things to worry about. So it will probably remain business as usual for the majority of prospectors in the majority of situations. But, if you find something very significant, the legal groundwork is in place for the federal government to assert it's authority and ownership. Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 11/8/10, wahlpe...@aol.com wahlpe...@aol.com wrote: Hi list, Sorry for the possible double post. Here is their reply from the BLM in Oregon regarding meteorite hunting. Thanks, Sonny Sonny: It is the Washington Office Policy that meteorites belong to the Federal government, the policy statement on the BLM Oregon/Washington website is taken from the Washington Office, this is partly based on Old Woman Meteorite case (under the Antiquities Act) you mentioned and I have attached. In practise, there is no official guidance for us on how to manage meteorites nor has this been put into the Code of Federal Regulations and I'm not aware of any enforcement action being taken against collectors on public lands. I'm wondering if this policy was written more for a significant meteorite find such as the Old Woman case, and would give Federal government ability to assert ownership if it decided to, if the meteorite had considerable scientific value? Sorry, this isn't very clear cut. Steve __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oregon / Washington Meteorite hunting regulations on BLM Land
It is too bad this find with brownish crust and contraction cracks will stay right where it is. It could even be a breccia. To remove it may be against the law depending on how the rules are interpreted and what state it was found. http://themeteoritesite.com/ALatestfind.jpg I think it is time to start searching private property with owner permission, of course. There is a lot of privately held farm land that would be suitable. At least when you find something valuable, you do not have to worry about picking it up off of the ground like in Arizona, Oregon or Washington State. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: wahlpe...@aol.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, November 8, 2010 2:48:26 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Oregon / Washington Meteorite hunting regulations on BLM Land Hi Sonny and List, My take on this is - I think the government is covering it's behind, just in case a significant find is made. But I think there is little desire or ability to enforce this on every meteorite found by every prospector. Zealous or difficult local BLM officials may use this as an excuse to hassle people. However, most rank and file enforcement personnel have more important things to worry about. So it will probably remain business as usual for the majority of prospectors in the majority of situations. But, if you find something very significant, the legal groundwork is in place for the federal government to assert it's authority and ownership. Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 11/8/10, wahlpe...@aol.com wahlpe...@aol.com wrote: Hi list, Sorry for the possible double post. Here is their reply from the BLM in Oregon regarding meteorite hunting. Thanks, Sonny Sonny: It is the Washington Office Policy that meteorites belong to the Federal government, the policy statement on the BLM Oregon/Washington website is taken from the Washington Office, this is partly based on Old Woman Meteorite case (under the Antiquities Act) you mentioned and I have attached. In practise, there is no official guidance for us on how to manage meteorites nor has this been put into the Code of Federal Regulations and I'm not aware of any enforcement action being taken against collectors on public lands. I'm wondering if this policy was written more for a significant meteorite find such as the Old Woman case, and would give Federal government ability to assert ownership if it decided to, if the meteorite had considerable scientific value? Sorry, this isn't very clear cut. Steve __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oregon / Washington Meteorite hunting regulations on BLM Land
List: It sounds simple to me: If they really really want it, they will take it. If not, then it's the finders, so have fun out there. This brings up something that I've always wondered about. Why is the scientific community so much more interested in Irons over stony meteorites? Does the Iron provide more scientific information? I suspect if you found an Iron on BLM land, they would want it. Greg S. Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:48:26 -0500 From: meteoritem...@gmail.com To: wahlpe...@aol.com CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Oregon / Washington Meteorite hunting regulations on BLM Land Hi Sonny and List, My take on this is - I think the government is covering it's behind, just in case a significant find is made. But I think there is little desire or ability to enforce this on every meteorite found by every prospector. Zealous or difficult local BLM officials may use this as an excuse to hassle people. However, most rank and file enforcement personnel have more important things to worry about. So it will probably remain business as usual for the majority of prospectors in the majority of situations. But, if you find something very significant, the legal groundwork is in place for the federal government to assert it's authority and ownership. Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 11/8/10, wahlpe...@aol.com wrote: Hi list, Sorry for the possible double post. Here is their reply from the BLM in Oregon regarding meteorite hunting. Thanks, Sonny Sonny: It is the Washington Office Policy that meteorites belong to the Federal government, the policy statement on the BLM Oregon/Washington website is taken from the Washington Office, this is partly based on Old Woman Meteorite case (under the Antiquities Act) you mentioned and I have attached. In practise, there is no official guidance for us on how to manage meteorites nor has this been put into the Code of Federal Regulations and I'm not aware of any enforcement action being taken against collectors on public lands. I'm wondering if this policy was written more for a significant meteorite find such as the Old Woman case, and would give Federal government ability to assert ownership if it decided to, if the meteorite had considerable scientific value? Sorry, this isn't very clear cut. Steve __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oregon / Washington Meteorite hunting regulations on BLM Land
Isn't it wrong to take something away from someone just because you want it? On 11/8/2010 4:46 PM, Thunder Stone wrote: List: It sounds simple to me: If they really really want it, they will take it. If not, then it's the finders, so have fun out there. This brings up something that I've always wondered about. Why is the scientific community so much more interested in Irons over stony meteorites? Does the Iron provide more scientific information? I suspect if you found an Iron on BLM land, they would want it. Greg S. Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:48:26 -0500 From: meteoritem...@gmail.com To: wahlpe...@aol.com CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Oregon / Washington Meteorite hunting regulations on BLM Land Hi Sonny and List, My take on this is - I think the government is covering it's behind, just in case a significant find is made. But I think there is little desire or ability to enforce this on every meteorite found by every prospector. Zealous or difficult local BLM officials may use this as an excuse to hassle people. However, most rank and file enforcement personnel have more important things to worry about. So it will probably remain business as usual for the majority of prospectors in the majority of situations. But, if you find something very significant, the legal groundwork is in place for the federal government to assert it's authority and ownership. Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 11/8/10, wahlpe...@aol.com wrote: Hi list, Sorry for the possible double post. Here is their reply from the BLM in Oregon regarding meteorite hunting. Thanks, Sonny Sonny: It is the Washington Office Policy that meteorites belong to the Federal government, the policy statement on the BLM Oregon/Washington website is taken from the Washington Office, this is partly based on Old Woman Meteorite case (under the Antiquities Act) you mentioned and I have attached. In practise, there is no official guidance for us on how to manage meteorites nor has this been put into the Code of Federal Regulations and I'm not aware of any enforcement action being taken against collectors on public lands. I'm wondering if this policy was written more for a significant meteorite find such as the Old Woman case, and would give Federal government ability to assert ownership if it decided to, if the meteorite had considerable scientific value? Sorry, this isn't very clear cut. Steve __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
