Re: [meteorite-list] Oum Rokba
Hello Bob, Mike, To my best knowledge, Oum Rokba is (or should be, or will be...?) synonym of NWA 400. My best source for now is my own writeup from my collection catalogue, written a few years ago, saying that for Oum Roka, one shound see NWA 400. The Oum Rokba piece I got from Blaine Reed in early 2001 is therefore (provisionally) referred to as NWA 400. Here is this writeup: - NWA 400 (synonym: Oum Rokba) (Algeria, H5), found 2000; tkw: Many@100+ kg; coll. code: BR 01/362 History and scientific significance: One of the last meteorites from Sahara having received a (formely official) name, thus Oum Rokba, meaning old womans knee in Arabic (see Met. Times, Dec. 2008) before the NWA nomenclature. (Oum Rokba should soon become a synonym of NWA 400, name still to be confirmed as well) Sample description: Individual, 44.71 g, 45x35x15 mm, brown, 100% (wind-blown) crust, irregular shape. I realize my source is not reliable either though it could be interesting to consult the Met Times article (that I don't have on hand here). Regarding NWA 400, it is still provisional in the MetBull database, with, as only indication: found in Algeria, tkw 10,000 (g ?), 1000s pieces found. Info: gives reference to our good friend Dean Bessey Bob, go ahead with this to explore more in depth the story. Best wishes, Zelimir Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. LPI-GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com a écrit : Since the name Oum Rokba was never approved, the question seems needless. I only know what I was told at the very beginning of the NWA rush, there was no reason for them to lie, we asked where they were from, we were given that answer. I never went to the location. For an old weathered typical chondrite it was not in my often hurried schedules. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2012, at 6:30 PM, Robert Verish bolidecha...@yahoo.com wrote: A question to anyone who has hunted meteorites in Morocco: Other than a Berber tribesman, has any meteorite dealer/hunter ever found an Oum Rokba stone, I mean, really picked-up from the ground in the actual strewn-field one of the several hundred distinctive-looking, chondritic stones that were originally recovered 12 years ago? I wrote an article back in Dec. 2008 about the Oum Rokba (H5) meteorites, and I repeated the oft-quoted story about stones being found by a Berber native a few kilometers from an Oasis named Oum Rokba. Since then, I've been asked by several people if I had any direct evidence of that recovery and of its location, in order to make that statement. The actual phrase that I remember being asked was, Don't you think that it is strange that a strewn-field the size of Oum Rokba (many hundreds of stones), that it's actual location wouldn't be better known? Even a couple square kilometers around the Oum Rokba oasis isn't that large that it would forever hide that large of a strewn-field, and by now, someone else must have discovered it's location. Those questions posed to me were implying that, given the benefit any name would give to the marketing of a meteorite, it should be considered as too convenient, and that in order to accept the location of this strewn-field it would require corroborating evidence from an independent source/hunter. Also, that this notion would probably be met with resistance, because preserving the mythology would be considered more important than confirming the topography. Personally, all I need is to have just one guy stand-up and say, Yeah, I found one of those stones there. Bob V. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Oum Rokba
A question to anyone who has hunted meteorites in Morocco: Other than a Berber tribesman, has any meteorite dealer/hunter ever found an Oum Rokba stone, I mean, really picked-up from the ground in the actual strewn-field one of the several hundred distinctive-looking, chondritic stones that were originally recovered 12 years ago? I wrote an article back in Dec. 2008 about the Oum Rokba (H5) meteorites, and I repeated the oft-quoted story about stones being found by a Berber native a few kilometers from an Oasis named Oum Rokba. Since then, I've been asked by several people if I had any direct evidence of that recovery and of its location, in order to make that statement. The actual phrase that I remember being asked was, Don't you think that it is strange that a strewn-field the size of Oum Rokba (many hundreds of stones), that it's actual location wouldn't be better known? Even a couple square kilometers around the Oum Rokba oasis isn't that large that it would forever hide that large of a strewn-field, and by now, someone else must have discovered it's location. Those questions posed to me were implying that, given the benefit any name would give to the marketing of a meteorite, it should be considered as too convenient, and that in order to accept the location of this strewn-field it would require corroborating evidence from an independent source/hunter. Also, that this notion would probably be met with resistance, because preserving the mythology would be considered more important than confirming the topography. Personally, all I need is to have just one guy stand-up and say, Yeah, I found one of those stones there. Bob V. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oum Rokba
Since the name Oum Rokba was never approved, the question seems needless. I only know what I was told at the very beginning of the NWA rush, there was no reason for them to lie, we asked where they were from, we were given that answer. I never went to the location. For an old weathered typical chondrite it was not in my often hurried schedules. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2012, at 6:30 PM, Robert Verish bolidecha...@yahoo.com wrote: A question to anyone who has hunted meteorites in Morocco: Other than a Berber tribesman, has any meteorite dealer/hunter ever found an Oum Rokba stone, I mean, really picked-up from the ground in the actual strewn-field one of the several hundred distinctive-looking, chondritic stones that were originally recovered 12 years ago? I wrote an article back in Dec. 2008 about the Oum Rokba (H5) meteorites, and I repeated the oft-quoted story about stones being found by a Berber native a few kilometers from an Oasis named Oum Rokba. Since then, I've been asked by several people if I had any direct evidence of that recovery and of its location, in order to make that statement. The actual phrase that I remember being asked was, Don't you think that it is strange that a strewn-field the size of Oum Rokba (many hundreds of stones), that it's actual location wouldn't be better known? Even a couple square kilometers around the Oum Rokba oasis isn't that large that it would forever hide that large of a strewn-field, and by now, someone else must have discovered it's location. Those questions posed to me were implying that, given the benefit any name would give to the marketing of a meteorite, it should be considered as too convenient, and that in order to accept the location of this strewn-field it would require corroborating evidence from an independent source/hunter. Also, that this notion would probably be met with resistance, because preserving the mythology would be considered more important than confirming the topography. Personally, all I need is to have just one guy stand-up and say, Yeah, I found one of those stones there. Bob V. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oum Rokba (H5)
Hello Bob, Oum Rokba was apparently re-named NWA 400. I purchased my specimen from Blaine Reed in 2001 and the provenance on his label was then Algeria (neither Morocco, nor Western Sahara). If you look at the MetBull database, NWA 400 is still provisional and the synonym Oum Rokba is not mentioned. But Algeria is well the country reported... Here is the writeup from my catalog of my specimen, now listed as NWA 400: NWA 400 (?Oum Rokba?), Algeria, H5, found 2000; tkw: Many@100+ kg. Coll. code: BR 01/362. Brief description: Individual, 100% crusted, 44.71 g, 45x35x15 mm, brown, irregular, wind-polished chunk. Last meteorite from Sahara having received a (formerly official) name, thus ?Oum Rokba? (see Met. Times, Dec. 2008) before the ?NWA nomenclature?. Oum Rokba will (should ?) soon become a synonym of NWA 400, name still to be confirmed as well... I recognize there is still some confusion about that one and will be also glad to learn more if someone can help further. Best wishes, Zelimir Robert Verish bolidecha...@yahoo.com a écrit : A question for those of you who may have visited this strewn field: In September of 2000, several hundred chondritic stones with a total known weight of around 100 kilos were exported out of Morocco. All of these stones were found by a Berber native turned meteorite hunter a few kilometers from an Oasis named Oum Rokba. Does anyone have the coordinates for that Oasis? I'm not sure if this oasis is in Maroc or in Western Sahara, so how do I go about finding these coordinates? -- Bob V. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Oum Rokba (H5)
A question for those of you who may have visited this strewn field: In September of 2000, several hundred chondritic stones with a total known weight of around 100 kilos were exported out of Morocco. All of these stones were found by a Berber native turned meteorite hunter a few kilometers from an Oasis named Oum Rokba. Does anyone have the coordinates for that Oasis? I'm not sure if this oasis is in Maroc or in Western Sahara, so how do I go about finding these coordinates? -- Bob V. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oum Rokba
G'day Zelimir, I'm fairly sure Oum Rokba was also classified under the name, NWA 400. I don't think either name has been 'officially' described though. Maybe someone else has a bit more info?! Cheers, Jeff Kuyken I.M.C.A. #3085 www.meteorites.com.au - Original Message - From: Zelimir Gabelica To: Michael Farmer Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Auction list for tonight. Many largeitems over $1000 up for one cent. Hi Mike, A question related to your E-bay offer just received (though I am not an E-bay buyer). You are listing Oum Rokba. I purchased that one sometimes in the past, from Blaine Reed (incidently with an accurate descriptive label). I thought the name was officially recognized and the meteorite well documented but never found any official description in the Met. Bulls. later on. Blaine's label gives about about the same description as yours on E-Bay. I contacted Bleine recently for more info but he was not able to tell more. Could you (or anyone) tell me whether Oum Rokba is an official name and where is it described ? Or should that one rather belong to the vast NWA group (if so, which N° ?) Many thanks and best wishes, Zelimir A 08:31 14/09/04 -0700, vous avez écrit : Subject: Auction list for tonight. Many large items over $1000 up for one cent. Hi everyone, I have loaded alot of meteorites on eBay one cent auctions. They all end tonight. Take a look, grab some end of summer deals for a real bargain. http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=meteoritehunt ers http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=meteorite-hun ter thanks Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oum Rokba
In a message dated 9/14/2004 11:41:40 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm fairly sure Oum Rokba was also classified under the name, NWA 400. I don't think either name has been 'officially' described though. Maybe someone else has a bit more info?! Neither NWA 400 nor Oum Rokba is in Meteorites from A to Z, meaning that neither one was official as of the end of December 2003. Does that help? Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMCA #2356, www.IMCA.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
