Re: [meteorite-list] Pena Blanca Spring -Hammerstone?
Couldn't agree more. A hammer does real damage, otherwise you are diluting the idea so far as to make it ridiculous. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Nov 22, 2011, at 1:01 PM, impact...@aol.com wrote: I am sorry Michael, But how could Pena Blanca be called a hammer?? It struck WATER!! Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _IMPACTIKA@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 11/22/2011 12:52:45 PM Mountain Standard Time, mlbl...@cox.net writes: Hi Phil All, Phil's Subject box describes Blanca Spring as a Near-Hammer, But I had always heard it fell in a small pond people used as a swimming Hole, NOT in a man-made pool resulting from a dam for the express Purpose of creating such a swimming pool. I have swum in such a pool many times at the base of Mt. Lemon on property bordering the Sugaro National Forest Park (Not certain of the exact name of that park) in the Tucson area. My best friend lived On the property and there was clearly a constructed dam to hold water For swimming, but low enough to allow the water to continue to flow Beyond that by spilling over the dam during the monsoon season. To my way of thinking a constructed swimming pool is a constructed swimming pool regardless of the complexity of construction... A swimming pool (that results from construction) is quite different than earlier reports I had heard of merely a naturally occurring swimming hole where a pond lay on someone's property. Therefore, Pena Blanc Spring IS a hammer, having struck a man-made object (a man made swimming pool). Michael On 11/21/11 1:22 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: Here's an interesting account of what could have been a multiple death hammerstone incident: http://www.minsocam.org/ammin/AM32/AM32_354.pdf Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pena Blanca Spring -Hammerstone?
Hi Phil All, Phil's Subject box describes Blanca Spring as a Near-Hammer, But I had always heard it fell in a small pond people used as a swimming Hole, NOT in a man-made pool resulting from a dam for the express Purpose of creating such a swimming pool. I have swum in such a pool many times at the base of Mt. Lemon on property bordering the Sugaro National Forest Park (Not certain of the exact name of that park) in the Tucson area. My best friend lived On the property and there was clearly a constructed dam to hold water For swimming, but low enough to allow the water to continue to flow Beyond that by spilling over the dam during the monsoon season. To my way of thinking a constructed swimming pool is a constructed swimming pool regardless of the complexity of construction... A swimming pool (that results from construction) is quite different than earlier reports I had heard of merely a naturally occurring swimming hole where a pond lay on someone's property. Therefore, Pena Blanc Spring IS a hammer, having struck a man-made object (a man made swimming pool). Michael On 11/21/11 1:22 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: Here's an interesting account of what could have been a multiple death hammerstone incident: http://www.minsocam.org/ammin/AM32/AM32_354.pdf Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pena Blanca Spring -Hammerstone?
I am sorry Michael, But how could Pena Blanca be called a hammer?? It struck WATER!! Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _IMPACTIKA@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 11/22/2011 12:52:45 PM Mountain Standard Time, mlbl...@cox.net writes: Hi Phil All, Phil's Subject box describes Blanca Spring as a Near-Hammer, But I had always heard it fell in a small pond people used as a swimming Hole, NOT in a man-made pool resulting from a dam for the express Purpose of creating such a swimming pool. I have swum in such a pool many times at the base of Mt. Lemon on property bordering the Sugaro National Forest Park (Not certain of the exact name of that park) in the Tucson area. My best friend lived On the property and there was clearly a constructed dam to hold water For swimming, but low enough to allow the water to continue to flow Beyond that by spilling over the dam during the monsoon season. To my way of thinking a constructed swimming pool is a constructed swimming pool regardless of the complexity of construction... A swimming pool (that results from construction) is quite different than earlier reports I had heard of merely a naturally occurring swimming hole where a pond lay on someone's property. Therefore, Pena Blanc Spring IS a hammer, having struck a man-made object (a man made swimming pool). Michael On 11/21/11 1:22 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: Here's an interesting account of what could have been a multiple death hammerstone incident: http://www.minsocam.org/ammin/AM32/AM32_354.pdf Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pena Blanca Spring -Hammerstone?
Hello Anne, Michael and List. I would have to agree with Anne, in that if it struck the water, and sank to the bottom, then it would not be considered a hammer, however, I assume that if it hit the side of the pool and left physical evidence of that fact, then it would be a hammer. This also leads me to ask...does a meteorite have to damage something for it to be a hammer? What if they were pea sized individuals (Holbrook) that hit, but left no damage. Would they be considered hammer stones? Regards, Craig Moody From: impact...@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:01:57 -0500 To: mlbl...@cox.net; joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pena Blanca Spring -Hammerstone? I am sorry Michael, But how could Pena Blanca be called a hammer?? It struck WATER!! Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _IMPACTIKA@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 11/22/2011 12:52:45 PM Mountain Standard Time, mlbl...@cox.net writes: Hi Phil All, Phil's Subject box describes Blanca Spring as a Near-Hammer, But I had always heard it fell in a small pond people used as a swimming Hole, NOT in a man-made pool resulting from a dam for the express Purpose of creating such a swimming pool. I have swum in such a pool many times at the base of Mt. Lemon on property bordering the Sugaro National Forest Park (Not certain of the exact name of that park) in the Tucson area. My best friend lived On the property and there was clearly a constructed dam to hold water For swimming, but low enough to allow the water to continue to flow Beyond that by spilling over the dam during the monsoon season. To my way of thinking a constructed swimming pool is a constructed swimming pool regardless of the complexity of construction... A swimming pool (that results from construction) is quite different than earlier reports I had heard of merely a naturally occurring swimming hole where a pond lay on someone's property. Therefore, Pena Blanc Spring IS a hammer, having struck a man-made object (a man made swimming pool). Michael On 11/21/11 1:22 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: Here's an interesting account of what could have been a multiple death hammerstone incident: http://www.minsocam.org/ammin/AM32/AM32_354.pdf Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pena Blanca Spring -Hammerstone?
Would a meteorite that landed on a paved road be considered a hammer stone? Paved roads are 100% man-made, yet I know of several falls that have been recovered from roads or parking lots and are not referred to as hammer. Michael in so. Cal. On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Craig Moody meteoritesno...@hotmail.ca wrote: Hello Anne, Michael and List. I would have to agree with Anne, in that if it struck the water, and sank to the bottom, then it would not be considered a hammer, however, I assume that if it hit the side of the pool and left physical evidence of that fact, then it would be a hammer. This also leads me to ask...does a meteorite have to damage something for it to be a hammer? What if they were pea sized individuals (Holbrook) that hit, but left no damage. Would they be considered hammer stones? Regards, Craig Moody From: impact...@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:01:57 -0500 To: mlbl...@cox.net; joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pena Blanca Spring -Hammerstone? I am sorry Michael, But how could Pena Blanca be called a hammer?? It struck WATER!! Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _IMPACTIKA@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 11/22/2011 12:52:45 PM Mountain Standard Time, mlbl...@cox.net writes: Hi Phil All, Phil's Subject box describes Blanca Spring as a Near-Hammer, But I had always heard it fell in a small pond people used as a swimming Hole, NOT in a man-made pool resulting from a dam for the express Purpose of creating such a swimming pool. I have swum in such a pool many times at the base of Mt. Lemon on property bordering the Sugaro National Forest Park (Not certain of the exact name of that park) in the Tucson area. My best friend lived On the property and there was clearly a constructed dam to hold water For swimming, but low enough to allow the water to continue to flow Beyond that by spilling over the dam during the monsoon season. To my way of thinking a constructed swimming pool is a constructed swimming pool regardless of the complexity of construction... A swimming pool (that results from construction) is quite different than earlier reports I had heard of merely a naturally occurring swimming hole where a pond lay on someone's property. Therefore, Pena Blanc Spring IS a hammer, having struck a man-made object (a man made swimming pool). Michael On 11/21/11 1:22 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: Here's an interesting account of what could have been a multiple death hammerstone incident: http://www.minsocam.org/ammin/AM32/AM32_354.pdf Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pena Blanca Spring -Hammerstone?
Would a meteorite that landed on a paved road be considered a hammer stone By Michael's definition of this concept of hammer, why would you require the road to be paved? Nothing magic about asphalt. Macadam, gravel, graded dirt; etc. they all work. And for that matter, anything that lands on improved land, so every corn and buckwheat patch is a hammer (or if it goes under, a plow). Now, here's another silly question about a concept when over-used: Does a meteorite have to be a witnessed fall to be a hammer? By witnessed, I don't mean the morning-after kind. Suppose this guy finds a meteor(oid?) snagged in the top of this half kilometer tower he free climbs?: electrifying scientific video: http://io9.com/5639113/ Is it a meteoroid/ite hammer? Now back to maximum silliness; Michael calls the Pena Blanca spgs a hammer, well then, so is Lake Okeechobee's hammerstones , which were dragged up relatively fresh considering from a lake, though never seen falling in. The lake is 100% dammed up by the Great Wall of Florida (9 meters high and over 225 kilometers in length plus a network of draining canals and natural waterways that have been rerouted) would just be an amorphorous natural swamp. So man's controlling finger is evident and it's not even a witnessed fall! - a first of its kind for a hammer, sort of. Now, if what hits water isn't a hammer, I get first dibs on naming it (beat ya Michael!!!). They are TORPEDOS. Before you scoff at the concept, just remember over 70% of the meteorites landing e. splashing down ... on earth are TORPEDOS! Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, Nov 22, 2011 3:16 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pena Blanca Spring -Hammerstone? Would a meteorite that landed on a paved road be considered a hammer stone? Paved roads are 100% man-made, yet I know of several falls that have been recovered from roads or parking lots and are not referred to as hammer. Michael in so. Cal. On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Craig Moody meteoritesno...@hotmail.ca wrote: Hello Anne, Michael and List. I would have to agree with Anne, in that if it struck the water, and sank to the bottom, then it would not be considered a hammer, however, I assume that if it hit the side of the pool and left physical evidence of that fact, then it would be a hammer. This also leads me to ask...does a meteorite have to damage something for it to be a hammer? What if they were pea sized individuals (Holbrook) that hit, but left no damage. Would they be considered hammer stones? Regards, Craig Moody From: impact...@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:01:57 -0500 To: mlbl...@cox.net; joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pena Blanca Spring -Hammerstone? I am sorry Michael, But how could Pena Blanca be called a hammer?? It struck WATER!! Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _IMPACTIKA@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 11/22/2011 12:52:45 PM Mountain Standard Time, mlbl...@cox.net writes: Hi Phil All, Phil's Subject box describes Blanca Spring as a Near-Hammer, But I had always heard it fell in a small pond people used as a swimming Hole, NOT in a man-made pool resulting from a dam for the express Purpose of creating such a swimming pool. I have swum in such a pool many times at the base of Mt. Lemon on property bordering the Sugaro National Forest Park (Not certain of the exact name of that park) in the Tucson area. My best friend lived On the property and there was clearly a constructed dam to hold water For swimming, but low enough to allow the water to continue to flow Beyond that by spilling over the dam during the monsoon season. To my way of thinking a constructed swimming pool is a constructed swimming pool regardless of the complexity of construction... A swimming pool (that results from construction) is quite different than earlier reports I had heard of merely a naturally occurring swimming hole where a pond lay on someone's property. Therefore, Pena Blanc Spring IS a hammer, having struck a man-made object (a man made swimming pool). Michael On 11/21/11 1:22 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: Here's an interesting account of what could have been a multiple death hammerstone incident: http://www.minsocam.org/ammin/AM32/AM32_354.pdf Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo
Re: [meteorite-list] Pena Blanca Spring -Hammerstone?
Very good Doug. Impeccable logic with a very funny conclusion. Good luck with the Torpedoes! (no wonder the word hammer has been banned from my site!) Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _IMPACTIKA@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 11/22/2011 4:58:26 PM Mountain Standard Time, mexicod...@aim.com writes: Would a meteorite that landed on a paved road be considered a hammer stone By Michael's definition of this concept of hammer, why would you require the road to be paved? Nothing magic about asphalt. Macadam, gravel, graded dirt; etc. they all work. And for that matter, anything that lands on improved land, so every corn and buckwheat patch is a hammer (or if it goes under, a plow). Now, here's another silly question about a concept when over-used: Does a meteorite have to be a witnessed fall to be a hammer? By witnessed, I don't mean the morning-after kind. Suppose this guy finds a meteor(oid?) snagged in the top of this half kilometer tower he free climbs?: electrifying scientific video: http://io9.com/5639113/ Is it a meteoroid/ite hammer? Now back to maximum silliness; Michael calls the Pena Blanca spgs a hammer, well then, so is Lake Okeechobee's hammerstones , which were dragged up relatively fresh considering from a lake, though never seen falling in. The lake is 100% dammed up by the Great Wall of Florida (9 meters high and over 225 kilometers in length plus a network of draining canals and natural waterways that have been rerouted) would just be an amorphorous natural swamp. So man's controlling finger is evident and it's not even a witnessed fall! - a first of its kind for a hammer, sort of. Now, if what hits water isn't a hammer, I get first dibs on naming it (beat ya Michael!!!). They are TORPEDOS. Before you scoff at the concept, just remember over 70% of the meteorites landing e. splashing down ... on earth are TORPEDOS! Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, Nov 22, 2011 3:16 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pena Blanca Spring -Hammerstone? Would a meteorite that landed on a paved road be considered a hammer stone? Paved roads are 100% man-made, yet I know of several falls that have been recovered from roads or parking lots and are not referred to as hammer. Michael in so. Cal. On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Craig Moody meteoritesno...@hotmail.ca wrote: Hello Anne, Michael and List. I would have to agree with Anne, in that if it struck the water, and sank to the bottom, then it would not be considered a hammer, however, I assume that if it hit the side of the pool and left physical evidence of that fact, then it would be a hammer. This also leads me to ask...does a meteorite have to damage something for it to be a hammer? What if they were pea sized individuals (Holbrook) that hit, but left no damage. Would they be considered hammer stones? Regards, Craig Moody From: impact...@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:01:57 -0500 To: mlbl...@cox.net; joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pena Blanca Spring -Hammerstone? I am sorry Michael, But how could Pena Blanca be called a hammer?? It struck WATER!! Anne M. Black __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pena Blanca Spring -Hammerstone?
Okay, I think this is nitpicking. All meteorites land on something even Mars. Marvin the Martian might quibble if it hit his spaceship but would it be a hammer if not Manmade? Chris Spratt (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pena Blanca Spring -Hammerstone?
Doug and all, Please do not think my example is my definition of the concept of a hammer-stone; quite to the contrary, it was to illustrate that not all man-made targets should result in a meteorite being termed a hammer. -Michael In a message dated 11/22/2011 4:58:26 PM Mountain Standard Time, mexicod...@aim.com writes: Would a meteorite that landed on a paved road be considered a hammer stone By Michael's definition of this concept of hammer, why would you require the road to be paved? Nothing magic about asphalt. Macadam, gravel, graded dirt; etc. they all work. And for that matter, anything that lands on improved land, so every corn and buckwheat patch is a hammer (or if it goes under, a plow). Now, here's another silly question about a concept when over-used: Does a meteorite have to be a witnessed fall to be a hammer? By witnessed, I don't mean the morning-after kind. Suppose this guy finds a meteor(oid?) snagged in the top of this half kilometer tower he free climbs?: electrifying scientific video: http://io9.com/5639113/ Is it a meteoroid/ite hammer? Now back to maximum silliness; Michael calls the Pena Blanca spgs a hammer, well then, so is Lake Okeechobee's hammerstones , which were dragged up relatively fresh considering from a lake, though never seen falling in. The lake is 100% dammed up by the Great Wall of Florida (9 meters high and over 225 kilometers in length plus a network of draining canals and natural waterways that have been rerouted) would just be an amorphorous natural swamp. So man's controlling finger is evident and it's not even a witnessed fall! - a first of its kind for a hammer, sort of. Now, if what hits water isn't a hammer, I get first dibs on naming it (beat ya Michael!!!). They are TORPEDOS. Before you scoff at the concept, just remember over 70% of the meteorites landing e. splashing down ... on earth are TORPEDOS! Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, Nov 22, 2011 3:16 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pena Blanca Spring -Hammerstone? Would a meteorite that landed on a paved road be considered a hammer stone? Paved roads are 100% man-made, yet I know of several falls that have been recovered from roads or parking lots and are not referred to as hammer. Michael in so. Cal. On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Craig Moody meteoritesno...@hotmail.ca wrote: Hello Anne, Michael and List. I would have to agree with Anne, in that if it struck the water, and sank to the bottom, then it would not be considered a hammer, however, I assume that if it hit the side of the pool and left physical evidence of that fact, then it would be a hammer. This also leads me to ask...does a meteorite have to damage something for it to be a hammer? What if they were pea sized individuals (Holbrook) that hit, but left no damage. Would they be considered hammer stones? Regards, Craig Moody From: impact...@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:01:57 -0500 To: mlbl...@cox.net; joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pena Blanca Spring -Hammerstone? I am sorry Michael, But how could Pena Blanca be called a hammer?? It struck WATER!! Anne M. Black __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Holy S!!! The video link half way down 'electrifying science video' is, well, purdy durn scary. RM - Original Message - From: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com To: mikest...@gmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; mlbl...@cox.net Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pena Blanca Spring -Hammerstone? Would a meteorite that landed on a paved road be considered a hammer stone By Michael's definition of this concept of hammer, why would you require the road to be paved? Nothing magic about asphalt. Macadam, gravel, graded dirt; etc. they all work. And for that matter, anything that lands on improved land, so every corn and buckwheat patch is a hammer (or if it goes under, a plow). Now, here's another silly question about a concept when over-used: Does a meteorite have to be a witnessed fall to be a hammer? By witnessed, I don't mean the morning-after kind. Suppose this guy finds a meteor(oid?) snagged in the top of this half kilometer tower he free climbs?: electrifying scientific video: http://io9.com/5639113/ Is it a meteoroid/ite hammer? Now back to maximum silliness; Michael calls the Pena Blanca spgs a hammer, well then, so is Lake Okeechobee's hammerstones , which were dragged up relatively fresh considering from a lake, though never seen falling in. The lake is 100% dammed up by the Great Wall of Florida (9 meters high and over 225 kilometers in length plus a network of draining canals and natural waterways that have been rerouted) would just be an amorphorous natural swamp. So man's controlling finger is evident and it's not even a witnessed fall! - a first of its kind for a hammer, sort of. Now, if what hits water isn't a hammer, I get first dibs on naming it (beat ya Michael!!!). They are TORPEDOS. Before you scoff at the concept, just remember over 70% of the meteorites landing e. splashing down ... on earth are TORPEDOS! Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, Nov 22, 2011 3:16 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pena Blanca Spring -Hammerstone? Would a meteorite that landed on a paved road be considered a hammer stone? Paved roads are 100% man-made, yet I know of several falls that have been recovered from roads or parking lots and are not referred to as hammer. Michael in so. Cal. On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Craig Moody meteoritesno...@hotmail.ca wrote: Hello Anne, Michael and List. I would have to agree with Anne, in that if it struck the water, and sank to the bottom, then it would not be considered a hammer, however, I assume that if it hit the side of the pool and left physical evidence of that fact, then it would be a hammer. This also leads me to ask...does a meteorite have to damage something for it to be a hammer? What if they were pea sized individuals (Holbrook) that hit, but left no damage. Would they be considered hammer stones? Regards, Craig Moody From: impact...@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:01:57 -0500 To: mlbl...@cox.net; joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pena Blanca Spring -Hammerstone? I am sorry Michael, But how could Pena Blanca be called a hammer?? It struck WATER!! Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _IMPACTIKA@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 11/22/2011 12:52:45 PM Mountain Standard Time, mlbl...@cox.net writes: Hi Phil All, Phil's Subject box describes Blanca Spring as a Near-Hammer, But I had always heard it fell in a small pond people used as a swimming Hole, NOT in a man-made pool resulting from a dam for the express Purpose of creating such a swimming pool. I have swum in such a pool many times at the base of Mt. Lemon on property bordering the Sugaro National Forest Park (Not certain of the exact name of that park) in the Tucson area. My best friend lived On the property and there was clearly a constructed dam to hold water For swimming, but low enough to allow the water to continue to flow Beyond that by spilling over the dam during the monsoon season. To my way of thinking a constructed swimming pool is a constructed swimming pool regardless of the complexity of construction... A swimming pool (that results from construction) is quite different than earlier reports I had heard of merely a naturally occurring swimming hole where a pond lay on someone's property. Therefore, Pena Blanc Spring IS a hammer, having struck a man-made object (a man made swimming pool). Michael On 11/21/11 1:22 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: Here's an interesting account of what could have been a multiple
Re: [meteorite-list] Pena Blanca Spring -Hammerstone?
TORPEDOS! lol Perhaps, as a practical matter, a meteorite is only a hammer if there is some damaged object that meteorite dealers can recover to sell to us collectors! Doug Ross Now, if what hits water isn't a hammer, I get first dibs on naming it (beat ya Michael!!!). They are TORPEDOS. Before you scoff at the concept, just remember over 70% of the meteorites landing e. splashing down ... on earth are TORPEDOS! Kindest wishes Doug __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
