[meteorite-list] Photo problem.
Hi Greg. The link I send out for the MPOD every day goes directly to the current picture. If you want to save a link to a particular day you have to add some stuff the the URL: ?DD=mm/dd/ where mm/dd/ is the date. For example, to bookmark 1 October 2014, the URL is http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=10/1/2014 Don't forget the question mark. After writing this,I see that this is all a big pain in the butt. So, I will add the date info to the daily message starting tomorrow. cheers paul swartz MPOD Web Master __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Photo problem.
I save all of the Meteorite Photos of the Day posts from the Met List. Something weird and distressing has happened. It appears that all of the photos sent to me over the years have been magically turned into the photo of the thin slice of Zagami submitted by Peter Marmot. So now I have hundreds of photos of the Zagami slice. Mercy! Has this happened to anyone else? Greg Lindh __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo problem.
Aloha Greg, I have not noticed this anomaly you speak of, but must declare that the cross polarized image of Zagami in thin section by Peter Marmet (not Marmot) is spectacular! gary On Nov 28, 2014, at 8:15 AM, GREG LINDH via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: I save all of the Meteorite Photos of the Day posts from the Met List. Something weird and distressing has happened. It appears that all of the photos sent to me over the years have been magically turned into the photo of the thin slice of Zagami submitted by Peter Marmot. So now I have hundreds of photos of the Zagami slice. Mercy! Has this happened to anyone else? Greg Lindh __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites Inc. PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo problem.
Gary, Yeah the photo of Zagami is spectacular, but I just need one photo of it, not hundreds. Greg Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Photo problem. From: fuj...@mac.com Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 08:26:43 -1000 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com To: gee...@msn.com Aloha Greg, I have not noticed this anomaly you speak of, but must declare that the cross polarized image of Zagami in thin section by Peter Marmet (not Marmot) is spectacular! gary On Nov 28, 2014, at 8:15 AM, GREG LINDH via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: I save all of the Meteorite Photos of the Day posts from the Met List. Something weird and distressing has happened. It appears that all of the photos sent to me over the years have been magically turned into the photo of the thin slice of Zagami submitted by Peter Marmot. So now I have hundreds of photos of the Zagami slice. Mercy! Has this happened to anyone else? Greg Lindh __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites Inc. PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo problem.
Greg, could it be that instead of an image that was saved, it was actually just a link to today's photo instead? That could account for all of the saved files being today's Zagami post. It would be a good experiment to wait until the next image is posted and see if all of your files change to that one. Ed - Original Message - From: Gary Fujihara via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com To: GREG LINDH gee...@msn.com Cc: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Photo problem. Aloha Greg, I have not noticed this anomaly you speak of, but must declare that the cross polarized image of Zagami in thin section by Peter Marmet (not Marmot) is spectacular! gary On Nov 28, 2014, at 8:15 AM, GREG LINDH via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: I save all of the Meteorite Photos of the Day posts from the Met List. Something weird and distressing has happened. It appears that all of the photos sent to me over the years have been magically turned into the photo of the thin slice of Zagami submitted by Peter Marmot. So now I have hundreds of photos of the Zagami slice. Mercy! Has this happened to anyone else? Greg Lindh __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites Inc. PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] photo of my sales
enjoy here are photo http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/ habibi aziz imca6220 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Photo of alleged Columbia impact crater
Hi List, Here is a photo of the alleged impact crater caused by the recent meteorite fall in Columbia. http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/columbia-crater.jpg Opinions? To me, it doesn't quite look right. Best regards, MikeG -- -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo of alleged Columbia impact crater
The proof is in the pudding, the pudding here is meteorite fragments/ejecta. Ted On 9/8/10 11:39 AM, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi List, Here is a photo of the alleged impact crater caused by the recent meteorite fall in Columbia. http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/columbia-crater.jpg Opinions? To me, it doesn't quite look right. Best regards, MikeG __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo of alleged Columbia impact crater
That's actually a photo of the Latvian hoax crater from this past year. -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 IMCA #5765 --- -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Galactic Stone Ironworks Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:39 AM To: Meteorite List Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo of alleged Columbia impact crater Hi List, Here is a photo of the alleged impact crater caused by the recent meteorite fall in Columbia. http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/columbia-crater.jpg Opinions? To me, it doesn't quite look right. Best regards, MikeG -- -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo of alleged Columbia impact crater
Somebody posted that on Facebook and said it was a photo of the Columbian crater. LOL I guess I need to go burst that person's bubble even further now. On 9/8/10, Mike Bandli fuzzf...@comcast.net wrote: That's actually a photo of the Latvian hoax crater from this past year. -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 IMCA #5765 --- -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Galactic Stone Ironworks Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:39 AM To: Meteorite List Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo of alleged Columbia impact crater Hi List, Here is a photo of the alleged impact crater caused by the recent meteorite fall in Columbia. http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/columbia-crater.jpg Opinions? To me, it doesn't quite look right. Best regards, MikeG -- -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo of alleged Columbia impact crater
Besides it being on the wrong side of the planet, and being much smaller than claimed, one would expect to see some evidence of an ejecta blanket outside the perimeter rim. So as Ted mentioned, you need meteorites and ejecta both... -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo of alleged Columbia impact crater
The only thing the crater in the photo is missing is shovel marks and heavy equipment tracks. And meteorites, and ejecta, and credibility. On 9/8/10, Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com wrote: Besides it being on the wrong side of the planet, and being much smaller than claimed, one would expect to see some evidence of an ejecta blanket outside the perimeter rim. So as Ted mentioned, you need meteorites and ejecta both... -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo of alleged Columbia impact crater
Or somebody's drug lab exploded...any white powdery residue left in the crater ?? -- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 14:39:05 -0400 From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo of alleged Columbia impact crater To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: aanlktim6pvgtwjbbe7mgajvy=zua+1yzvg-grtfh5...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi List, Here is a photo of the alleged impact crater caused by the recent meteorite fall in Columbia. http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/columbia-crater.jpg Opinions? To me, it doesn't quite look right. Best regards, MikeG -- -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo of alleged Columbia impact crater
To my eyes the vegetation in the background looks wrong for Columbia. Also the woman is wearing an unsuitable coat for the tropics. My 2 cents. Chris Spratt Victoria, BC (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo of alleged Columbia impact crater
Meant to say Colombia. Chris Spratt Victoria, British Columbia (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo of alleged Columbia impact crater
Hi, Mike and List, Here are two added perspectives: http://it.sohu.com/20091027/n267760581.shtml http://it.sohu.com/20091027/n267760581.shtml I did a quick Tineye reverse image search http://www.tineye.com/ and there were twenty-nine hits, mostly Asian. I didn't look past the first page of returns. It seems this photo was in the news about a year ago... Cheers, Pete Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 14:39:05 -0400 From: meteoritem...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo of alleged Columbia impact crater Hi List, Here is a photo of the alleged impact crater caused by the recent meteorite fall in Columbia. http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/columbia-crater.jpg Opinions? To me, it doesn't quite look right. Best regards, MikeG -- -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo color issue update - colored scale cubesm
of the photo you like even when using the scale cube. Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Greg Catterton Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 10:06 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo color issue update - colored scale cubes I am pretty certain the issue is being caused now by my scale cube... See pictures below, one is with a blue cube, one is without. No other editing or anything has been done. Only change is removing the scale cube... guess I am now in the market for a new cube that wont do this. .92g Karoonda with cube http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Karoonda92g2.jpg .92g Karoonda without the cube http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Karoonda92g.jpg Thanks for all the input from everyone. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo color issue update - colored scale cubesm
excepy you ar wrong! The nice photos in magazines are made by using a grey background then developing the print as if the background is white. Check back issues of Modern photography. They have an article about using grey backgrounds in or around 1991. You may want to read up on the F16 rule also. Wher anything lighted by the full light of the sun needs an exposure of 1/250 at F16 or any combination that equals it like F8 and 1/500 or F22 and 1/125. On Sun May 23rd, 2010 1:29 PM EDT Meteorites USA wrote: Hi List, With all due respect Steve, normally you would be right. About traditional art photography, or perhaps editorials, or such But we're not talking about editorials or art. Or at least I'm not. I'm referring to the industry standard in product photography online. I would guesstimate maybe 99% of ALL retail catalogs online have white backgrounds for their product precisely because it adds greater contrast and provides a sharper, clearer image, with more accurate color visually to the consumer/viewer. If you don't like white, don't use white, it's all personal preference. In my opinion of course...White ROCKS! And white works... I've been in business online for over 10 years and we would clip our product images backgrounds out completely. We've done market tests with backgrounds and without backgrounds. We've experimented with all sorts of solid colored backgrounds as well, and white backgrounds always pull a higher response rate. Again, I think it comes down to personal preference as Anne spoke of earlier. I love other background colors, blues, reds, greens, grays... One of the biggest No nos in the industry is using a mottled or busy background for your subject. It detracts from the object being photographed and the eye has a very hard time discerning the subject from the background. I will agree however that a polarizing filter and/or a gray background will bring out detail, but one with skill with the camera can do this with any solid color background IF proper white balancing is used. Contrast is good, in my opinion. Regards, Eric On 5/23/2010 9:42 AM, Steve Dunklee wrote: photography is always an experiment. It usualy takes many exposures to get an acceptable pic. Having a white background for a dark object is a photographic no no! Its like trying to photograph the moon and expect to see the stars around it. Too much contrast! If you use a grey background and develope as if it is white you get much more detail. I have been realy sloppy with my meteorite photos and can do much better. A polarizing filter used properly can cut out the scale cube problem. have a great day! Steve On Sat May 22nd, 2010 8:43 PM EDT Michael Blood wrote: I've had some very positive flashes over the years Michael On 5/17/10 4:05 AM, Met. Michael Gilmermeteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter and Greg, I've never used the flash a single time when taking meteorite photos. Flash is evil. Best regards, MikeG On 5/17/10, Peter Scherffpetersche...@rcn.com wrote: Hi Greg, Have you tried taking the photos in manual mode? I see that you had your FinePix S1000fd in auto white balance auto flash. I believe if you set the values yourself you will be able to recreate the look of the photo you like even when using the scale cube. Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Greg Catterton Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 10:06 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo color issue update - colored scale cubes I am pretty certain the issue is being caused now by my scale cube... See pictures below, one is with a blue cube, one is without. No other editing or anything has been done. Only change is removing the scale cube... guess I am now in the market for a new cube that wont do this. .92g Karoonda with cube http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Karoonda92g2.jpg .92g Karoonda without the cube http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Karoonda92g.jpg Thanks for all the input from everyone. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo color issue update - colored scale cubesm
OK? Steve, I wasn't being personally insulting or telling you you're wrong! I thought I was polite and informative for the benefit of the list and sharing my experiences with you and the list. Yes, I'm familiar with the Sunny 16 rule. and no I'm not sure why there's an issue here other than you personally taking offense to what I said. Can we move on and continue talking about photographing meteorites now? Regards, Eric On 5/24/2010 8:41 AM, Steve Dunklee wrote: excepy you ar wrong! The nice photos in magazines are made by using a grey background then developing the print as if the background is white. Check back issues of Modern photography. They have an article about using grey backgrounds in or around 1991. You may want to read up on the F16 rule also. Wher anything lighted by the full light of the sun needs an exposure of 1/250 at F16 or any combination that equals it like F8 and 1/500 or F22 and 1/125. On Sun May 23rd, 2010 1:29 PM EDT Meteorites USA wrote: Hi List, With all due respect Steve, normally you would be right. About traditional art photography, or perhaps editorials, or such But we're not talking about editorials or art. Or at least I'm not. I'm referring to the industry standard in product photography online. I would guesstimate maybe 99% of ALL retail catalogs online have white backgrounds for their product precisely because it adds greater contrast and provides a sharper, clearer image, with more accurate color visually to the consumer/viewer. If you don't like white, don't use white, it's all personal preference. In my opinion of course...White ROCKS! And white works... I've been in business online for over 10 years and we would clip our product images backgrounds out completely. We've done market tests with backgrounds and without backgrounds. We've experimented with all sorts of solid colored backgrounds as well, and white backgrounds always pull a higher response rate. Again, I think it comes down to personal preference as Anne spoke of earlier. I love other background colors, blues, reds, greens, grays... One of the biggest No nos in the industry is using a mottled or busy background for your subject. It detracts from the object being photographed and the eye has a very hard time discerning the subject from the background. I will agree however that a polarizing filter and/or a gray background will bring out detail, but one with skill with the camera can do this with any solid color background IF proper white balancing is used. Contrast is good, in my opinion. Regards, Eric On 5/23/2010 9:42 AM, Steve Dunklee wrote: photography is always an experiment. It usualy takes many exposures to get an acceptable pic. Having a white background for a dark object is a photographic no no! Its like trying to photograph the moon and expect to see the stars around it. Too much contrast! If you use a grey background and develope as if it is white you get much more detail. I have been realy sloppy with my meteorite photos and can do much better. A polarizing filter used properly can cut out the scale cube problem. have a great day! Steve On Sat May 22nd, 2010 8:43 PM EDT Michael Blood wrote: I've had some very positive flashes over the years Michael On 5/17/10 4:05 AM, Met. Michael Gilmermeteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter and Greg, I've never used the flash a single time when taking meteorite photos. Flash is evil. Best regards, MikeG On 5/17/10, Peter Scherffpetersche...@rcn.com wrote: Hi Greg, Have you tried taking the photos in manual mode? I see that you had your FinePix S1000fd in auto white balance auto flash. I believe if you set the values yourself you will be able to recreate the look of the photo you like even when using the scale cube. Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Greg Catterton Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 10:06 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo color issue update - colored scale cubes I am pretty certain the issue is being caused now by my scale cube... See pictures below, one is with a blue cube, one is without. No other editing or anything has been done. Only change is removing the scale cube... guess I am now in the market for a new cube that wont do this. .92g Karoonda with cube http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Karoonda92g2.jpg .92g Karoonda without the cube http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Karoonda92g.jpg Thanks for all the input from everyone. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo color issue update - colored scale cubes
photography is always an experiment. It usualy takes many exposures to get an acceptable pic. Having a white background for a dark object is a photographic no no! Its like trying to photograph the moon and expect to see the stars around it. Too much contrast! If you use a grey background and develope as if it is white you get much more detail. I have been realy sloppy with my meteorite photos and can do much better. A polarizing filter used properly can cut out the scale cube problem. have a great day! Steve On Sat May 22nd, 2010 8:43 PM EDT Michael Blood wrote: I've had some very positive flashes over the years Michael On 5/17/10 4:05 AM, Met. Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter and Greg, I've never used the flash a single time when taking meteorite photos. Flash is evil. Best regards, MikeG On 5/17/10, Peter Scherff petersche...@rcn.com wrote: Hi Greg, Have you tried taking the photos in manual mode? I see that you had your FinePix S1000fd in auto white balance auto flash. I believe if you set the values yourself you will be able to recreate the look of the photo you like even when using the scale cube. Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Greg Catterton Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 10:06 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo color issue update - colored scale cubes I am pretty certain the issue is being caused now by my scale cube... See pictures below, one is with a blue cube, one is without. No other editing or anything has been done. Only change is removing the scale cube... guess I am now in the market for a new cube that wont do this. .92g Karoonda with cube http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Karoonda92g2.jpg .92g Karoonda without the cube http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Karoonda92g.jpg Thanks for all the input from everyone. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi List, With all due respect Steve, normally you would be right. About traditional art photography, or perhaps editorials, or such But we're not talking about editorials or art. Or at least I'm not. I'm referring to the industry standard in product photography online. I would guesstimate maybe 99% of ALL retail catalogs online have white backgrounds for their product precisely because it adds greater contrast and provides a sharper, clearer image, with more accurate color visually to the consumer/viewer. If you don't like white, don't use white, it's all personal preference. In my opinion of course...White ROCKS! And white works... I've been in business online for over 10 years and we would clip our product images backgrounds out completely. We've done market tests with backgrounds and without backgrounds. We've experimented with all sorts of solid colored backgrounds as well, and white backgrounds always pull a higher response rate. Again, I think it comes down to personal preference as Anne spoke of earlier. I love other background colors, blues, reds, greens, grays... One of the biggest No nos in the industry is using a mottled or busy background for your subject. It detracts from the object being photographed and the eye has a very hard time discerning the subject from the background. I will agree however that a polarizing filter and/or a gray background will bring out detail, but one with skill with the camera can do this with any solid color background IF proper white balancing is used. Contrast is good, in my opinion. Regards, Eric On 5/23/2010 9:42 AM, Steve Dunklee wrote: photography is always an experiment. It usualy takes many exposures to get an acceptable pic. Having a white background for a dark object is a photographic no no! Its like trying to photograph the moon and expect to see the stars around it. Too much contrast! If you use a grey background and develope as if it is white you get much more detail. I have been realy sloppy with my meteorite photos and can do much better. A polarizing filter used properly can cut out the scale cube problem. have a great day! Steve On Sat May 22nd, 2010 8:43 PM EDT Michael Blood wrote: I've had some very positive flashes over the years Michael On 5/17/10 4:05 AM, Met. Michael Gilmermeteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter and Greg, I've never used the flash a single time when taking meteorite photos. Flash is evil. Best regards, MikeG On 5/17/10, Peter Scherffpetersche...@rcn.com wrote: Hi Greg, Have you tried taking the photos in manual mode? I see that you had your FinePix S1000fd in auto white balance auto flash. I believe if you set the values yourself you will be able to recreate the look of the photo you like even when using the scale cube. Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Greg Catterton Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 10:06 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo color issue update - colored scale cubes I am pretty certain the issue is being caused now by my scale cube... See pictures below, one is with a blue cube, one is without. No other editing or anything has been done. Only change is removing the scale cube... guess I am now in the market for a new cube that wont do this. .92g Karoonda with cube http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Karoonda92g2.jpg .92g Karoonda without the cube http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Karoonda92g.jpg Thanks for all the input from everyone. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list
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I've had some very positive flashes over the years Michael On 5/17/10 4:05 AM, Met. Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter and Greg, I've never used the flash a single time when taking meteorite photos. Flash is evil. Best regards, MikeG On 5/17/10, Peter Scherff petersche...@rcn.com wrote: Hi Greg, Have you tried taking the photos in manual mode? I see that you had your FinePix S1000fd in auto white balance auto flash. I believe if you set the values yourself you will be able to recreate the look of the photo you like even when using the scale cube. Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Greg Catterton Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 10:06 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo color issue update - colored scale cubes I am pretty certain the issue is being caused now by my scale cube... See pictures below, one is with a blue cube, one is without. No other editing or anything has been done. Only change is removing the scale cube... guess I am now in the market for a new cube that wont do this. .92g Karoonda with cube http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Karoonda92g2.jpg .92g Karoonda without the cube http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Karoonda92g.jpg Thanks for all the input from everyone. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Mike, Greg, List, A few people have asked me what lights to use for photographing meteorites. I like to simplify and spend less cash on solutions so I use a simple desk lamp. This is the one I use... http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/135512/Magnifier-Lamp-Black/ This one should work too... Not what I have but should work if it's full spectrum (daylight bulb)... http://www.staples.com/VisionMax-Black-Adjustable-Full-Spectrum-Magnifying-Clip-On-Desk-Lamp/product_612507 Full spectrum means WHITE. It's the closest thing to daylight you can get indoors without actually going outdoors or buying a daylight bulb from your local photo store. These work, but then you have to buy the lamp too... http://store.tabletopstudio-store.com/lightbulbs.html The point is a white background, and the whiter the light the better your meteorite photos. One day I'll get around to writing that article on meteorite photography. ;) Enjoy... Regards, Eric On 5/17/2010 9:34 AM, Meteorites USA wrote: Hi Mike, List, Mike is right, the flash in macro photography is evil, sort of... (most macro photographers use what's called a ring flash which mounts on the end of an SLR camera lens) It all depends on how you use your camera, if it's an SLR or a Point Shoot. I don't flash at all, rather I like using a diffused full spectrum light. $20 at your local Office Depot. Oh yeah and a plain white piece of paper for the background. Simple. Everyone likes simple. As for white balancing. Your camera's built in light meter reads everything on average at 18% gray and white balances accordingly to how bright or dark the subject/background/foreground is collectively. A quick trick I use is to point the camera's focal point at the shadow created by the meteorite while pressing the shutter button halfway, thereby forcing the camera to use the gray to white balance. Wait for the beep, this means it's focused, then while still holding the button halfway I re-frame the meteorite in the center of the photo and fully depress the shutter button. Works every time... http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-photos/ Enjoy! Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA On 5/17/2010 4:05 AM, Galactic Stone Ironworks wrote: Hi Peter and Greg, I've never used the flash a single time when taking meteorite photos. Flash is evil. Best regards, MikeG On 5/17/10, Peter Scherffpetersche...@rcn.com wrote: Hi Greg, Have you tried taking the photos in manual mode? I see that you had your FinePix S1000fd in auto white balance auto flash. I believe if you set the values yourself you will be able to recreate the look of the photo you like even when using the scale cube. Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Greg Catterton Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 10:06 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo color issue update - colored scale cubes I am pretty certain the issue is being caused now by my scale cube... See pictures below, one is with a blue cube, one is without. No other editing or anything has been done. Only change is removing the scale cube... guess I am now in the market for a new cube that wont do this. .92g Karoonda with cube http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Karoonda92g2.jpg .92g Karoonda without the cube http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Karoonda92g.jpg Thanks for all the input from everyone. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Sorry, Eric, I have to disagree. A stark white background is ...well...too white. It makes for harsh shadows and contrast. I much prefer a cream/ivory or photo-gray background. It makes for a softer picture. And Never, Ever black, it is too strong a color, it overwhelms whether you are taking a picture of. And Yes, natural light is best. I always take my pictures in day-light, even in Colorado, in winter. I am lucky enought to have a sun-room with full south exposure. And a slightly hazy day is best. And I use a Nikon. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 5/18/2010 10:08:13 PM Mountain Daylight Time, e...@meteoritesusa.com writes: Hi Mike, Greg, List, A few people have asked me what lights to use for photographing meteorites. I like to simplify and spend less cash on solutions so I use a simple desk lamp. This is the one I use... http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/135512/Magnifier-Lamp-Black/ This one should work too... Not what I have but should work if it's full spectrum (daylight bulb)... http://www.staples.com/VisionMax-Black-Adjustable-Full-Spectrum-Magnifying-C lip-On-Desk-Lamp/product_612507 Full spectrum means WHITE. It's the closest thing to daylight you can get indoors without actually going outdoors or buying a daylight bulb from your local photo store. These work, but then you have to buy the lamp too... http://store.tabletopstudio-store.com/lightbulbs.html The point is a white background, and the whiter the light the better your meteorite photos. One day I'll get around to writing that article on meteorite photography. ;) Enjoy... Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Anne, Thanks for your input... Personal preference on background color is just that. I personally like white. Been selling online for over 10 years and a white BG is the #1 rule for retail internet sales. Now if you're talking about art, or a more elegant tone, then I would agree with you that a less contrasting color works just fine. Perhaps I should have been more clear in my explanation about why I use a white BG. No disrespect intended of course. Regards, Eric On 5/18/2010 10:03 PM, impact...@aol.com wrote: Sorry, Eric, I have to disagree. A stark white background is ...well...too white. It makes for harsh shadows and contrast. I much prefer a cream/ivory or photo-gray background. It makes for a softer picture. And Never, Ever black, it is too strong a color, it overwhelms whether you are taking a picture of. And Yes, natural light is best. I always take my pictures in day-light, even in Colorado, in winter. I am lucky enought to have a sun-room with full south exposure. And a slightly hazy day is best. And I use a Nikon. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 5/18/2010 10:08:13 PM Mountain Daylight Time, e...@meteoritesusa.com writes: Hi Mike, Greg, List, A few people have asked me what lights to use for photographing meteorites. I like to simplify and spend less cash on solutions so I use a simple desk lamp. This is the one I use... http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/135512/Magnifier-Lamp-Black/ This one should work too... Not what I have but should work if it's full spectrum (daylight bulb)... http://www.staples.com/VisionMax-Black-Adjustable-Full-Spectrum-Magnifying-C lip-On-Desk-Lamp/product_612507 Full spectrum means WHITE. It's the closest thing to daylight you can get indoors without actually going outdoors or buying a daylight bulb from your local photo store. These work, but then you have to buy the lamp too... http://store.tabletopstudio-store.com/lightbulbs.html The point is a white background, and the whiter the light the better your meteorite photos. One day I'll get around to writing that article on meteorite photography. ;) Enjoy... Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Greg, Have you tried taking the photos in manual mode? I see that you had your FinePix S1000fd in auto white balance auto flash. I believe if you set the values yourself you will be able to recreate the look of the photo you like even when using the scale cube. Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Greg Catterton Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 10:06 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo color issue update - colored scale cubes I am pretty certain the issue is being caused now by my scale cube... See pictures below, one is with a blue cube, one is without. No other editing or anything has been done. Only change is removing the scale cube... guess I am now in the market for a new cube that wont do this. .92g Karoonda with cube http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Karoonda92g2.jpg .92g Karoonda without the cube http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Karoonda92g.jpg Thanks for all the input from everyone. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Peter and Greg, I've never used the flash a single time when taking meteorite photos. Flash is evil. Best regards, MikeG On 5/17/10, Peter Scherff petersche...@rcn.com wrote: Hi Greg, Have you tried taking the photos in manual mode? I see that you had your FinePix S1000fd in auto white balance auto flash. I believe if you set the values yourself you will be able to recreate the look of the photo you like even when using the scale cube. Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Greg Catterton Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 10:06 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo color issue update - colored scale cubes I am pretty certain the issue is being caused now by my scale cube... See pictures below, one is with a blue cube, one is without. No other editing or anything has been done. Only change is removing the scale cube... guess I am now in the market for a new cube that wont do this. .92g Karoonda with cube http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Karoonda92g2.jpg .92g Karoonda without the cube http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Karoonda92g.jpg Thanks for all the input from everyone. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo color issue update - colored scale cubes
Hi Mike, List, Mike is right, the flash in macro photography is evil, sort of... (most macro photographers use what's called a ring flash which mounts on the end of an SLR camera lens) It all depends on how you use your camera, if it's an SLR or a Point Shoot. I don't flash at all, rather I like using a diffused full spectrum light. $20 at your local Office Depot. Oh yeah and a plain white piece of paper for the background. Simple. Everyone likes simple. As for white balancing. Your camera's built in light meter reads everything on average at 18% gray and white balances accordingly to how bright or dark the subject/background/foreground is collectively. A quick trick I use is to point the camera's focal point at the shadow created by the meteorite while pressing the shutter button halfway, thereby forcing the camera to use the gray to white balance. Wait for the beep, this means it's focused, then while still holding the button halfway I re-frame the meteorite in the center of the photo and fully depress the shutter button. Works every time... http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-photos/ Enjoy! Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA On 5/17/2010 4:05 AM, Galactic Stone Ironworks wrote: Hi Peter and Greg, I've never used the flash a single time when taking meteorite photos. Flash is evil. Best regards, MikeG On 5/17/10, Peter Scherffpetersche...@rcn.com wrote: Hi Greg, Have you tried taking the photos in manual mode? I see that you had your FinePix S1000fd in auto white balance auto flash. I believe if you set the values yourself you will be able to recreate the look of the photo you like even when using the scale cube. Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Greg Catterton Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 10:06 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo color issue update - colored scale cubes I am pretty certain the issue is being caused now by my scale cube... See pictures below, one is with a blue cube, one is without. No other editing or anything has been done. Only change is removing the scale cube... guess I am now in the market for a new cube that wont do this. .92g Karoonda with cube http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Karoonda92g2.jpg .92g Karoonda without the cube http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Karoonda92g.jpg Thanks for all the input from everyone. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Photo color issue update - colored scale cubes
I am pretty certain the issue is being caused now by my scale cube... See pictures below, one is with a blue cube, one is without. No other editing or anything has been done. Only change is removing the scale cube... guess I am now in the market for a new cube that wont do this. .92g Karoonda with cube http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Karoonda92g2.jpg .92g Karoonda without the cube http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Karoonda92g.jpg Thanks for all the input from everyone. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Photo Thank You
Richard, Wow, I received your wonderful autographed photo in the mail today. Who is the handsome man holding the riker? Very Cool. I will have it framed and hanging in my office along with my other prized space photos by tonight. I am very proud of yet another Tucsonan. Looking forward to seeing you at Dolores Hill's Arizona Meteorite Exhibition on the 30th. See you there. Thanks again. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo of a K-chondrite / Could this be one of the rarest meteorites found?
Hello Frank, All, The trouble with that example is that it really supports both viewpoints, due to its context. First and foremost, its type was extremely uncommon at the time (Eucrites are now rather commonplace), and second, there was very little available of both the type and of the given fall. The trouble with taking into account what Ward or Merrill considered to be the primary determinants of value is the assumption that both value and rarity go hand in hand. While there is some association between the two, well, look at the market. You have unique meteorites like Portales Valley selling for $20-30/g, and relatively common rocks like, say, Ash Creek, going for the same amount. [Don't go off on me - I'm not complaining - just pointing out an irrationality in the marketplace.] Price is determined by marketing and supply and demand - not rarity, though it is a contributing factor. Hence Ward didn't value the other differentiated meteorites as much, even though they were grouped together at the time. When reading about meteorites in older literature, one will often see comparisons made between such and so meteorite and a similar meteorite that was recently found. This is because the classification schemes at the time didn't provide adequate groupings for the number of chemically and structurally distinct meteorites being found. They didn't have Eucrites, so they compared to known meteorites that were similar...such a system of categorization would provide for skewed senses of rarity (not that our current system is any better at it). And since most modern meteorite types were grouped together, rarity was determined rather differently at the time, with the availability of a given fall determining rarity, because types were as yet ill-defined. Thus what was considered rare a hundred years ago might not fit the bill today - though, as I noted above, even Ward and Merrill appear to have bought into the hype surrounding finds with low total known weights, so I consider their points of view to be at least somewhat collector/market oriented. Regards, Jason On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net wrote: Hello all, Thought this might be of some interest concerning the rarest meteorite, at least from a historical viewpoint. At the beginning of the Twentieth Century, Henry A. Ward thought Nobleborough (1823 Maine fall) was one of the rarest of the meteorites he owned. At this time Ward owned one of the world’s largest meteorite collections that was on par with the national collections in Vienna, London, and Paris. The Ward-Coonley collection (now part of the Field Museum collection in Chicago) contained 603 different locations in 1904 and weighed nearly 2500 kilograms. In a collection catalog of the same year, Ward stated that the Nobleborough meteorite, the third recovered meteorite fall in the U.S., was the “rarest American aerolite” [stony meteorite]. At this time, there were other stony meteorites with a smaller preserved weight such as Deal (~30 gms.) and Bethlehem (13 gms.), but they were ordinary chondrites. Nobleborough was a rare, differentiated stony meteorite, and only four had fallen or been found in the U.S. to that time. Two were eucrites, Nobleborough (~78 gms TPW) and Petersburg (1.8 kg.). Frankfort (stone) (650 gms) was a howardite and Bishopville (5.9 kg.) an aubrite. Most of the Nobleborough mass had been lost and collections had only small specimens. Merrill (1934), in writing about valuation of meteorites, lists three main factors that determined their value; present known weight, petrographic composition, and number of owners of pieces. About Nobleborough, he noted: “The climax is reached, however, in the case of the stone of Nobleboro [Nobleborough], Maine of which there was originally from four to six pounds, but seventy-eight grams are now accounted for, distributed among eleven collections, seven of which record only ‘splinters’.” Needless to say, most curators were extremely reluctant to part with any of the Nobleborough meteorite from their cabinets and no doubt Ward was ecstatic to have acquired a 19 gram specimen for his. As for myself, I too would certainly like a splinter in my collection. Cheers, Frank __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo of a K-chondrite / Could this be one of the rarest meteorites found?
Jason, Sonny, Frank and others: The definition of Rare: thinly distributed over an area; few and widely separated So in its simplest form, the rarest would be a meteorite group, single type (ALH84001) or a single meteorite with a unique composition and the least amount found on earth. Just like a mineral or a rock. Are diamonds rare? not really, but they do have value. I believe rubies are more rare. I don't think the availability should come into the picture as it is still sitting in a lab somewhere, so it should be counted. Thus, I would say the K-chondrite would be one of the rarest groups. But wait... there's more; the K-chondrites are actually a grouplet 5 pieces known, not enough material to be a group. But then there are ungrouped meteorites, so it you take one of these, that was uniquely different from any other found and was the smallest (in size and weight) - then that would be the rarest, and I do not know which one. Speaking of rare - I only can find three pictures of a K-chondrite on the entire web, now that's rare. Greg S. Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:17:06 -0800 From: meteorite...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Photo of a K-chondrite / Could this be one of the rarest meteorites found? Hello Frank, All, The trouble with that example is that it really supports both viewpoints, due to its context. First and foremost, its type was extremely uncommon at the time (Eucrites are now rather commonplace), and second, there was very little available of both the type and of the given fall. The trouble with taking into account what Ward or Merrill considered to be the primary determinants of value is the assumption that both value and rarity go hand in hand. While there is some association between the two, well, look at the market. You have unique meteorites like Portales Valley selling for $20-30/g, and relatively common rocks like, say, Ash Creek, going for the same amount. [Don't go off on me - I'm not complaining - just pointing out an irrationality in the marketplace.] Price is determined by marketing and supply and demand - not rarity, though it is a contributing factor. Hence Ward didn't value the other differentiated meteorites as much, even though they were grouped together at the time. When reading about meteorites in older literature, one will often see comparisons made between such and so meteorite and a similar meteorite that was recently found. This is because the classification schemes at the time didn't provide adequate groupings for the number of chemically and structurally distinct meteorites being found. They didn't have Eucrites, so they compared to known meteorites that were similar...such a system of categorization would provide for skewed senses of rarity (not that our current system is any better at it). And since most modern meteorite types were grouped together, rarity was determined rather differently at the time, with the availability of a given fall determining rarity, because types were as yet ill-defined. Thus what was considered rare a hundred years ago might not fit the bill today - though, as I noted above, even Ward and Merrill appear to have bought into the hype surrounding finds with low total known weights, so I consider their points of view to be at least somewhat collector/market oriented. Regards, Jason On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Frank Cressy wrote: Hello all, Thought this might be of some interest concerning the rarest meteorite, at least from a historical viewpoint. At the beginning of the Twentieth Century, Henry A. Ward thought Nobleborough (1823 Maine fall) was one of the rarest of the meteorites he owned. At this time Ward owned one of the world’s largest meteorite collections that was on par with the national collections in Vienna, London, and Paris. The Ward-Coonley collection (now part of the Field Museum collection in Chicago) contained 603 different locations in 1904 and weighed nearly 2500 kilograms. In a collection catalog of the same year, Ward stated that the Nobleborough meteorite, the third recovered meteorite fall in the U.S., was the “rarest American aerolite” [stony meteorite]. At this time, there were other stony meteorites with a smaller preserved weight such as Deal (~30 gms.) and Bethlehem (13 gms.), but they were ordinary chondrites. Nobleborough was a rare, differentiated stony meteorite, and only four had fallen or been found in the U.S. to that time. Two were eucrites, Nobleborough (~78 gms TPW) and Petersburg (1.8 kg.). Frankfort (stone) (650 gms) was a howardite and Bishopville (5.9 kg.) an aubrite. Most of the Nobleborough mass had been lost and collections had only small specimens. Merrill (1934), in writing about valuation of meteorites, lists three main factors that determined their value; present known
[meteorite-list] Photo of a K-chondrite
List: Does anyone have of know (where) I can download a picture of a K-chondrite; preferable with the fusion crust. Thanks, Greg S. _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Photo of a K-chondrite
Hi Greg and List, Hardly any photos of Kakangaris exist. You'll find one on David Weir's excellent website: http://www.meteoritestudies.com/ Click on chondrites and then scroll down to Kakangari! Thin section pics of Kakangari can be found here (on pages 202-205): D.S. LAURETTA, M. KILLGORE (2005) A Color Atlas of Meteorites in Thin Section (Golden Retriever Publications and Southwest Meteorite Press, ISBN 0-9720472-1-2, 301 pp.). Best wishes, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo of a K-chondrite / Could this be one of the rarest meteorites found?
Hi Bernd and list, Would this be one of the rarest meteorites ever found? If not, what meteorite would be? Thanks, Sonny -Original Message- From: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, Nov 17, 2009 1:12 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo of a K-chondrite Hi Greg and List, Hardly any photos of Kakangaris exist. You'll find one on David Weir's excellent website: http://www.meteoritestudies.com/ Click on chondrites and then scroll down to Kakangari! Thin section pics of Kakangari can be found here (on pages 202-205): D.S. LAURETTA, M. KILLGORE (2005) A Color Atlas of Meteorites in Thin Section (Golden Retriever Publications and Southwest Meteorite Press, ISBN 0-9720472-1-2, 301 pp.). Best wishes, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo of a K-chondrite / Could this be one of the rarest meteorites found?
Hello Sonny, All, I've often thought about such a term - the rarest meteorite. The rarest meteorite would of course be smallest ungrouped meteorite, for one could feasibly conceive of a 1-2g unique meteorite. When a new type is named, however, a hype generally surrounds it - rather like the olivine diogenite craze of a few years ago, or the confusion surrounding Bencubbinites, and other poorly defined types of meteorites. The simple fact of the matter is that there meteorites are too often categorized by our current system into associations and groups into which they fit rather poorly; Jeff Grossman states as much in the last thread surrounding the poor chemical and isotopic relationships between many basaltic meteorites deemed eucrites. But regardless of this fact, a simple truth remains. There are countless ungrouped meteorites and several Kakangari-type meteorites, so while they may be one of the least common types, they are by no means examples of the rarest meteorite known. Regards, Jason On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 6:12 PM, wahlpe...@aol.com wrote: Hi Bernd and list, Would this be one of the rarest meteorites ever found? If not, what meteorite would be? Thanks, Sonny -Original Message- From: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, Nov 17, 2009 1:12 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo of a K-chondrite Hi Greg and List, Hardly any photos of Kakangaris exist. You'll find one on David Weir's excellent website: http://www.meteoritestudies.com/ Click on chondrites and then scroll down to Kakangari! Thin section pics of Kakangari can be found here (on pages 202-205): D.S. LAURETTA, M. KILLGORE (2005) A Color Atlas of Meteorites in Thin Section (Golden Retriever Publications and Southwest Meteorite Press, ISBN 0-9720472-1-2, 301 pp.). Best wishes, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo of a K-chondrite / Could this be one of the rarest meteorites found?
Jason, list, Maybe I don't quite understand... ;) The size of an individual meteorite whether ungrouped or even a previously unknown type or new classification would not be the deciding factor in determining rarity at all would it? If of course you consider the major factor concerning rarity to be the number of stones or TKW, and you don't slice or break up the specimen, then a 1 ton stone could of course be the rarest type in existence if it were in fact of some previously unknown or ungrouped type right? The same could be said if no one had access to that 1 ton specimen. Technically speaking distribution and access to material is also a determining factor of the rarity of a meteorite. The term rarest meteorite does not quite depend on type or class alone. So yes I would agree that you're right, if type were the only factor involved, then your 1-2g specimen of an ungrouped type it would be the rarest meteorite. But consider the Willamette meteorite, or the Old Woman meteorite. They are both irons, and of a common class, but the distribution of that particular material in private and university collections makes it rare doesn't it? Obviously I'm splitting hairs... Maybe it's more about the meaning of the phrase the rarest meteorite than the actual rarity of the meteorite type class. Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA Jason Utas wrote: Hello Sonny, All, I've often thought about such a term - the rarest meteorite. The rarest meteorite would of course be smallest ungrouped meteorite, for one could feasibly conceive of a 1-2g unique meteorite. When a new type is named, however, a hype generally surrounds it - rather like the olivine diogenite craze of a few years ago, or the confusion surrounding Bencubbinites, and other poorly defined types of meteorites. The simple fact of the matter is that there meteorites are too often categorized by our current system into associations and groups into which they fit rather poorly; Jeff Grossman states as much in the last thread surrounding the poor chemical and isotopic relationships between many basaltic meteorites deemed eucrites. But regardless of this fact, a simple truth remains. There are countless ungrouped meteorites and several Kakangari-type meteorites, so while they may be one of the least common types, they are by no means examples of the rarest meteorite known. Regards, Jason On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 6:12 PM, wahlpe...@aol.com wrote: Hi Bernd and list, Would this be one of the rarest meteorites ever found? If not, what meteorite would be? Thanks, Sonny -Original Message- From: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, Nov 17, 2009 1:12 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo of a K-chondrite Hi Greg and List, Hardly any photos of Kakangaris exist. You'll find one on David Weir's excellent website: http://www.meteoritestudies.com/ Click on chondrites and then scroll down to Kakangari! Thin section pics of Kakangari can be found here (on pages 202-205): D.S. LAURETTA, M. KILLGORE (2005) A Color Atlas of Meteorites in Thin Section (Golden Retriever Publications and Southwest Meteorite Press, ISBN 0-9720472-1-2, 301 pp.). Best wishes, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo of a K-chondrite / Could this be one of the rarest meteorites found?
Hola Eric, All, You're only talking about collector availability, which is a kind of skewed way of looking at things, in my opinion. I'm talking about rarity in the sense of how much of a given material is known, material being the term for meteoric matter of a given structure and chemical composition that we can distinguish as different from other meteoric matter of differing structures and compositions. I hesitate to use the word type above because, as has been noted, the types that we have assigned meteorites are in many cases far too inclusive or exclusive as to be a truly accurate judge of such associations. There are over two hundred Eucrites, and yet Ibitira is unique. And a Eucrite. It's a bit of an issue. In other words, my rare applies to how much of 'something' we know exists, whereas your rare applies to how much is available to collectors. In my opinion, my usage of the word is more valid; according to your definition, my NWA L6 of which I hold the entire mass (and will never sell any) is indeed the rarest meteorite on the planet, along with countless other common stones. It is also significantly more rare than Kakangari, which is distributed amongst museums worldwide, and which is owned by numerous collectors. My L6 is also more rare than the rare meteorites you mention - both Willamette and Old Woman; if I wanted to, I could procure a specimen of each of those meteorites, whereas no one other than myself will ever own even a milligram of my NWA L6. When I use the word rare, it actually means that something is uncommon or exists in limited quantity, as opposed to its being simply inaccessible to a group of people, whomever that group may be. It's just less subjective. Regards, Jason On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com wrote: Jason, list, Maybe I don't quite understand... ;) The size of an individual meteorite whether ungrouped or even a previously unknown type or new classification would not be the deciding factor in determining rarity at all would it? If of course you consider the major factor concerning rarity to be the number of stones or TKW, and you don't slice or break up the specimen, then a 1 ton stone could of course be the rarest type in existence if it were in fact of some previously unknown or ungrouped type right? The same could be said if no one had access to that 1 ton specimen. Technically speaking distribution and access to material is also a determining factor of the rarity of a meteorite. The term rarest meteorite does not quite depend on type or class alone. So yes I would agree that you're right, if type were the only factor involved, then your 1-2g specimen of an ungrouped type it would be the rarest meteorite. But consider the Willamette meteorite, or the Old Woman meteorite. They are both irons, and of a common class, but the distribution of that particular material in private and university collections makes it rare doesn't it? Obviously I'm splitting hairs... Maybe it's more about the meaning of the phrase the rarest meteorite than the actual rarity of the meteorite type class. Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA Jason Utas wrote: Hello Sonny, All, I've often thought about such a term - the rarest meteorite. The rarest meteorite would of course be smallest ungrouped meteorite, for one could feasibly conceive of a 1-2g unique meteorite. When a new type is named, however, a hype generally surrounds it - rather like the olivine diogenite craze of a few years ago, or the confusion surrounding Bencubbinites, and other poorly defined types of meteorites. The simple fact of the matter is that there meteorites are too often categorized by our current system into associations and groups into which they fit rather poorly; Jeff Grossman states as much in the last thread surrounding the poor chemical and isotopic relationships between many basaltic meteorites deemed eucrites. But regardless of this fact, a simple truth remains. There are countless ungrouped meteorites and several Kakangari-type meteorites, so while they may be one of the least common types, they are by no means examples of the rarest meteorite known. Regards, Jason On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 6:12 PM, wahlpe...@aol.com wrote: Hi Bernd and list, Would this be one of the rarest meteorites ever found? If not, what meteorite would be? Thanks, Sonny -Original Message- From: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, Nov 17, 2009 1:12 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo of a K-chondrite Hi Greg and List, Hardly any photos of Kakangaris exist. You'll find one on David Weir's excellent website: http://www.meteoritestudies.com/ Click on chondrites and then scroll down to Kakangari! Thin section pics of Kakangari can be found here (on pages 202-205): D.S. LAURETTA, M. KILLGORE (2005) A Color Atlas of Meteorites in Thin Section (Golden
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo of a K-chondrite / Could this be one of the rarest meteorites found?
into which they fit rather poorly; Jeff Grossman states as much in the last thread surrounding the poor chemical and isotopic relationships between many basaltic meteorites deemed eucrites. But regardless of this fact, a simple truth remains. There are countless ungrouped meteorites and several Kakangari-type meteorites, so while they may be one of the least common types, they are by no means examples of the rarest meteorite known. Regards, Jason On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 6:12 PM, wahlpe...@aol.com wrote: Hi Bernd and list, Would this be one of the rarest meteorites ever found? If not, what meteorite would be? Thanks, Sonny -Original Message- From: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, Nov 17, 2009 1:12 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo of a K-chondrite Hi Greg and List, Hardly any photos of Kakangaris exist. You'll find one on David Weir's excellent website: http://www.meteoritestudies.com/ Click on chondrites and then scroll down to Kakangari! Thin section pics of Kakangari can be found here (on pages 202-205): D.S. LAURETTA, M. KILLGORE (2005) A Color Atlas of Meteorites in Thin Section (Golden Retriever Publications and Southwest Meteorite Press, ISBN 0-9720472-1-2, 301 pp.). Best wishes, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo of a K-chondrite / Could this be one of the rarest meteorites found?
Hey Sonny, wasn't this answered recently on the list, but to another question? Hadley Rille -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Tue, 11/17/09, wahlpe...@aol.com wahlpe...@aol.com wrote: From: wahlpe...@aol.com wahlpe...@aol.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Photo of a K-chondrite / Could this be one of the rarest meteorites found? To: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 7:12 PM Hi Bernd and list, Would this be one of the rarest meteorites ever found? If not, what meteorite would be? Thanks, Sonny -Original Message- From: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, Nov 17, 2009 1:12 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo of a K-chondrite Hi Greg and List, Hardly any photos of Kakangaris exist. You'll find one on David Weir's excellent website: http://www.meteoritestudies.com/ Click on chondrites and then scroll down to Kakangari! Thin section pics of Kakangari can be found here (on pages 202-205): D.S. LAURETTA, M. KILLGORE (2005) A Color Atlas of Meteorites in Thin Section (Golden Retriever Publications and Southwest Meteorite Press, ISBN 0-9720472-1-2, 301 pp.). Best wishes, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo of a K-chondrite / Could this be one of the rarest meteorites found?
Hello all, Thought this might be of some interest concerning the rarest meteorite, at least from a historical viewpoint. At the beginning of the Twentieth Century, Henry A. Ward thought Nobleborough (1823 Maine fall) was one of the rarest of the meteorites he owned. At this time Ward owned one of the world’s largest meteorite collections that was on par with the national collections in Vienna, London, and Paris. The Ward-Coonley collection (now part of the Field Museum collection in Chicago) contained 603 different locations in 1904 and weighed nearly 2500 kilograms. In a collection catalog of the same year, Ward stated that the Nobleborough meteorite, the third recovered meteorite fall in the U.S., was the “rarest American aerolite” [stony meteorite]. At this time, there were other stony meteorites with a smaller preserved weight such as Deal (~30 gms.) and Bethlehem (13 gms.), but they were ordinary chondrites. Nobleborough was a rare, differentiated stony meteorite, and only four had fallen or been found in the U.S. to that time. Two were eucrites, Nobleborough (~78 gms TPW) and Petersburg (1.8 kg.). Frankfort (stone) (650 gms) was a howardite and Bishopville (5.9 kg.) an aubrite. Most of the Nobleborough mass had been lost and collections had only small specimens. Merrill (1934), in writing about valuation of meteorites, lists three main factors that determined their value; present known weight, petrographic composition, and number of owners of pieces. About Nobleborough, he noted: “The climax is reached, however, in the case of the stone of Nobleboro [Nobleborough], Maine of which there was originally from four to six pounds, but seventy-eight grams are now accounted for, distributed among eleven collections, seven of which record only ‘splinters’.” Needless to say, most curators were extremely reluctant to part with any of the Nobleborough meteorite from their cabinets and no doubt Ward was ecstatic to have acquired a 19 gram specimen for his. As for myself, I too would certainly like a splinter in my collection. Cheers, Frank __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] photo of the new R3
hi all i hope everyone is enjoying holidays , we have holidays over here in nwa, well i was amazed by the beauty of the slice that Micheal blood showed just now , this l3. and i want to show you this new R 3 ? its on hold but give a look , just nice; enjoy. http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/ all the best aziz habibi habibi aziz box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco phone. 21235576145 fax.21235576170/font __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo
Pete, List, Here is a very large pixel-count official to-scale image of all 12 planets, good if you want to print out a copy. The only change NASA made to the original IAU diagram (no longer available) was to segregate the dwarf planets. Hey! We all believe in segregation, right? http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0608/planets_iau_big.jpg (6032 x 3395 pixels) These are are also a goodly number of pixels: Everything on here (except Charon) is a Planet: http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj169/missninaelectro/TwelvePlanets_l.jpg http://www.chillnite.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/WindowsLiveWriter/HelloNewSolarSystem_777B/solarsystemfull%5B2%5D.jpg Most of these are planets; they're closely grouped, and there's about 20: http://www.nasa.gov/centers/jpl/news/planetsf-20060815.html 12 New Planet Candidates, not all of which made the Cut: http://johnkemeny.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/iau0601c%20planet%20candidates.jpg 3 New Planet Candidates, 2 of which made the Cut: http://johnkemeny.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/iau0601b%20new%20planets.jpg Some of them are dwarf planets, just like our Sun is a dwarf star, right? My idea is that everybody who thinks dwarf planets are not real planets be required to take a hiking trip around the equator of Ceres, the smallest dwarf planet. All they have to carry with them is 3-4 months of food, water, and air -- it's only 2000 miles. Nice scenery, though. Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Pete Shugar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 12:49 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo Hello list, Awhile back someone had a link to the neatest link showing the size of objects in our solar system ranging from the sun down to asreriod size. It had about 20 objects. Anybody got a copy of the photo or it's link? Pete __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo, oops
Hi Pete: The problem with reading email at 4 in the morning. I misread your email and gave you star sizes. Sterling was more awake and sent you the links you were looking for. Yes, they are of fairly good resolution and can be made into lithos or even a little larger. Larry On Wed, May 7, 2008 10:49 pm, Pete Shugar wrote: Hello list, Awhile back someone had a link to the neatest link showing the size of objects in our solar system ranging from the sun down to asreriod size. It had about 20 objects. Anybody got a copy of the photo or it's link? Pete __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Photo
Hi Pete, This might be want you were referring to. http://kokogiak.com/solarsystembodieslargerthan200miles.html Hope this helps. Best regards, Charley Well, squids don't work. Hey! Let's try elephants ! Hannibal Message: 12 Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 00:49:16 -0500 From: Pete Shugar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Hello list, Awhile back someone had a link to the neatest link showing the size of objects in our solar system ranging from the sun down to asreriod size. It had about 20 objects. Anybody got a copy of the photo or it's link? Pete __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo
Wicked Charley, Thanks Pete for asking. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Charley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 5:33 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo Hi Pete, This might be want you were referring to. http://kokogiak.com/solarsystembodieslargerthan200miles.html Hope this helps. Best regards, Charley Well, squids don't work. Hey! Let's try elephants ! Hannibal Message: 12 Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 00:49:16 -0500 From: Pete Shugar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Hello list, Awhile back someone had a link to the neatest link showing the size of objects in our solar system ranging from the sun down to asreriod size. It had about 20 objects. Anybody got a copy of the photo or it's link? Pete __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Photo
Hello list, Awhile back someone had a link to the neatest link showing the size of objects in our solar system ranging from the sun down to asreriod size. It had about 20 objects. Anybody got a copy of the photo or it's link? Pete __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo of the new Indian iron
Hi Ruben, Exactly what I was thinking too! ;-) Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Ruben Garcia To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 4:26 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Photo of the new Indian iron No fusion crust, No thumb prints, and 90 % iron? I'm pretty sure that its a big chunk of slag from the near by atomic power plant. Ruben __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo of the new Indian iron
On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 19:14:53 +1000, you wrote: Hi Ruben, Exactly what I was thinking too! ;-) Here are the two known photos so far together: http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/ironish.jpg __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo of the new Indian iron
I agree with 'slag'! But this is no ordinary slag. It is so rare that the sample that we have collected could fetch up to a million dollars if we sell it in the international market,” says Geological Survey of India (GSI) Director Dr. (Evil) Dinkar Shrivastav in Jaipur. Not only that, GSI Deputy Director-General (western region) R.S. Goyal reportedly said, the meteorite could have caused devastation on an 'unimaginable scale' if it had fallen on the Rawatbhata Atomic Power Plant. Hmmm, that must be the power plant they constructed with Legos. Not to worry, they could build many more with the million dollars. Best, ken Darren Garrison wrote: On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 19:14:53 +1000, you wrote: Hi Ruben, Exactly what I was thinking too! ;-) Here are the two known photos so far together: http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/ironish.jpg __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo of the new Indian iron
Thanks for the link Darren. Maybe it's just me but something about that image is just... m... odd! Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 2:22 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo of the new Indian iron http://www.hindu.com/2006/09/06/stories/2006090600281500.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo of the new Indian iron
On Wed, 6 Sep 2006 19:04:37 +1000, you wrote: Thanks for the link Darren. Maybe it's just me but something about that image is just... m... odd! I wondered why it looked so shiny myself. And the shape didn't look right, either. Looks more like a cleaned and polished Campo than a fresh fall. But the article did claim it was a photo of the new fall. Maybe they beat the fusion crust off of it with their sticks? :-) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo of the new Indian iron
Hi Darren - I wondered why it looked so shiny myself. And the shape didn't look right, either. Looks more like a cleaned and polished Campo than a fresh fall. But the article did claim it was a photo of the new fall. Maybe they beat the fusion crust off of it with their sticks? :-) Well, that's one problem you have in the future. I understand Steve Arnold is putting up a new web page, What to do if you find a meteorite (humor) Ed __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo of the new Indian iron
No fusion crust, No thumb prints, and 90 % iron? I'm pretty sure that its a big chunk of slag from the near by atomic power plant. Ruben __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo of the new Indian iron
Ruben and others- Slag is what I thought also when I saw it. Hope it wasn't glowing and warm to the touch from atmospheric entry when they found itthey should have just let that one be. Mike --- Ruben Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No fusion crust, No thumb prints, and 90 % iron? I'm pretty sure that its a big chunk of slag from the near by atomic power plant. Ruben __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo of the new Indian iron
the meteorite its many different from the other iron fall few time ago, in this its well visible a blue crust typthe sikhote alin fresh pieces, in this its many similar to a old piece of meteorite Matteo --- Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: On Wed, 6 Sep 2006 19:04:37 +1000, you wrote: Thanks for the link Darren. Maybe it's just me but something about that image is just... m... odd! I wondered why it looked so shiny myself. And the shape didn't look right, either. Looks more like a cleaned and polished Campo than a fresh fall. But the article did claim it was a photo of the new fall. Maybe they beat the fusion crust off of it with their sticks? :-) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Poco spazio e tanto spam? Yahoo! Mail ti protegge dallo spam e ti da tanto spazio gratuito per i tuoi file e i messaggi http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Photo of the new Indian iron
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[meteorite-list] Photo request
Dear list members, I am looking for high quality photos of Iron, Stony-iron, Stone meteorite slices for the use of my web-site. Any of you that can send would be greatly appreciated! Regards, Michael Johnson SPACE ROCKS, INC. 932 Hanging Rock Road Boiling Springs, South Carolina 29316-7401 864.542.3087 http://www.spacerocksinc.com IMCA#5184 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] photo link - a cosmic marble
Dear List Members, I would like to show an interesting photo of a strange round object in a chondrite (currently under study). It is probably a macrochondrule. I did not see ever such a chondrule in a meteorite. It is amazing. Please, enjoy: http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-large-chondrule.jpg Best wishes, Stefan www.meteoriten.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] photo link - a cosmic marble
WOW, that is so cool! How large is it? Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Stefan Ralew [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 10:03 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] photo link - a cosmic marble Dear List Members, I would like to show an interesting photo of a strange round object in a chondrite (currently under study). It is probably a macrochondrule. I did not see ever such a chondrule in a meteorite. It is amazing. Please, enjoy: http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-large-chondrule.jpg Best wishes, Stefan www.meteoriten.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] photo link - a cosmic marble
That looks like an accretionaty lapilli...very cool! Matt Michael Farmer wrote: WOW, that is so cool! How large is it? Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Stefan Ralew [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 10:03 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] photo link - a cosmic marble Dear List Members, I would like to show an interesting photo of a strange round object in a chondrite (currently under study). It is probably a macrochondrule. I did not see ever such a chondrule in a meteorite. It is amazing. Please, enjoy: http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-large-chondrule.jpg Best wishes, Stefan www.meteoriten.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com http://www.mrmeteorite.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA eBay user id: mhmeteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] photo link - a cosmic marble
Hi Stefan and List, My NWA 2384 (LL4) from the Hupés has a similar-looking megachondrule, only difference is it doesn't have these alternating rings of olivine and pyroxene mentioned below. Here's my description: Large oval yellowish-white pyroxene chondrule measuring 18.5 x 8.5 mm with concentric arcs outlined by finely dispersed opaque material and a coarser-grained core. I had the pleasure of viewing several other photos that Stefan took of this L-breccia, and, for heaven's sake, what a meteorite, what a wonderful, multilayered chondrule, and then all those exotic and mind-blowing clasts (some of which are almost certainly primitive and carbonaceous) and inclusions (one large, pale yellow-white aggregate may be L6, LL6, or even achondritic). Mike Farmer wrote: WOW, that is so cool! How large is it? It is approximately 13 mm in longest dimension Matt wrote: That looks like an accretionaty lapilli...very cool! Right on target, I think. http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-large-chondrule.jpg HUTCHISON R. (2004) Meteorites: A Petrologic, Chemical, and Isotopic Synthesis (Cambridge Planetary Science Series, pp. 506, p. 223): Rims could have formed on chondrules and clasts by the sintering of dust layers. This is analogous to the formation of accretionary lapili in pyroclastic rocks on Earth. Such concentrically layered chondrules are also to be found in CR2 chondrites, and, according to Weisberg et al., rim materials accreted onto solidified cores and were then (partially) melted. The authors also state that in El Djouf 001 the larger, multilayered chondrules (some of them 4 mm) consist of alternating, concentric layers of olivine and/or pyroxene + FeNi metal surrounding a core of coarser grained olivine and/or pyroxene + FeNi metal. Some El Djouf chondrules have an outer layer of fine grained, clastic, matrix-like material that accreted onto it prior to chondrite aggregation. Stefan's macrochondrule looks almost exactly like this! WEISBERG M.K. (2001) Sahara 00182: The first CR3 chondrite and formation of multi-layered chondrules (MAPS 36-9, 2001, A222): Many chondrules are concentrically layered aggregates containing cores of one or more crystals of forsterite and/or metal surrounded by mantles of metal blebs, followed by silicate shells consisting of olivine and/or pyroxene. Some layered chondrules have barred olivitic or cryptocrystalline cores surrounded by mantles of metal blebs, followed by coarser olivine- or pyroxene-rich shells. In some cases, the layered chondrules have rims of silica-rich material similar to those described on layered chondrules in some CR chondrites. and furthermore: The multi-layered chondrules may represent an early generation of chondrules that record multiple episodes of accretion and heating in the nebula. The cores of the layered chondrules range from aggregates of materials that experienced low levels of partial melting to barred or cryptocrystalline textured materials that may have been completely molten. References: M.K. Weisberg et al.(1992) Formation of layered chondrules in CR2 chondrites: A petrologic and oxygen isotopic study (abs. in Meteoritics 27-3, p. 306). M.K. Weisberg et al.(1991) El Djouf 001: A new CR2 chondrite (Meteoritics 26-4, 1991, 406-407). __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] photo link - a cosmic marble
Hello Mike, Bernd and List, as Bernd already has written, this possible macrochondrule has approx. 13 to 14 mm in diameter. This strange looking macrochondrule is not the only unusual feature in this meteorite. Below I have links to some more photos. Photo of a triangular, greenish-darkgray inclusion: http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-detail7.jpg A close up of the inclusion: http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-inclusion.jpg some details of the matrix: http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-detail1.jpg http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-detail2.jpg http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-detail4.jpg http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-detail5.jpg I have never seen so a lot of different chondrules in a single meteorite, any sizes and colors of chondrules from 1 to 15 mm. Some areas look somehow carbonaceous. It`s a crazy piece, and the right material for spending some hours on the microscope.:-) Best wishes, Stefan - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stefan Ralew [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] photo link - a cosmic marble WOW, that is so cool! How large is it? Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Stefan Ralew [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 10:03 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] photo link - a cosmic marble Dear List Members, I would like to show an interesting photo of a strange round object in a chondrite (currently under study). It is probably a macrochondrule. I did not see ever such a chondrule in a meteorite. It is amazing. Please, enjoy: http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-large-chondrule.jpg Best wishes, Stefan www.meteoriten.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] photo link - a cosmic marble
probably its a H3, take a look to this http://it.geocities.com/mcomemeteoritecollection/NWA2179.JPG the matrix of this, not visible in this photo, its full of little chondrules multicolor. Matteo --- Stefan Ralew [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Hello Mike, Bernd and List, as Bernd already has written, this possible macrochondrule has approx. 13 to 14 mm in diameter. This strange looking macrochondrule is not the only unusual feature in this meteorite. Below I have links to some more photos. Photo of a triangular, greenish-darkgray inclusion: http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-detail7.jpg A close up of the inclusion: http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-inclusion.jpg some details of the matrix: http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-detail1.jpg http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-detail2.jpg http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-detail4.jpg http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-detail5.jpg I have never seen so a lot of different chondrules in a single meteorite, any sizes and colors of chondrules from 1 to 15 mm. Some areas look somehow carbonaceous. It`s a crazy piece, and the right material for spending some hours on the microscope.:-) Best wishes, Stefan - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stefan Ralew [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] photo link - a cosmic marble WOW, that is so cool! How large is it? Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Stefan Ralew [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 10:03 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] photo link - a cosmic marble Dear List Members, I would like to show an interesting photo of a strange round object in a chondrite (currently under study). It is probably a macrochondrule. I did not see ever such a chondrule in a meteorite. It is amazing. Please, enjoy: http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-large-chondrule.jpg Best wishes, Stefan www.meteoriten.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Messenger: chiamate gratuite in tutto il mondo http://it.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] photo link - a cosmic marble
Congrats Stefan, that is one beautiful stone! Thin sections would be in high demand for this one I would think. Even though I am not a thin-section kind of guy... Mike - Original Message - From: Stefan Ralew [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] photo link - a cosmic marble Hello Mike, Bernd and List, as Bernd already has written, this possible macrochondrule has approx. 13 to 14 mm in diameter. This strange looking macrochondrule is not the only unusual feature in this meteorite. Below I have links to some more photos. Photo of a triangular, greenish-darkgray inclusion: http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-detail7.jpg A close up of the inclusion: http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-inclusion.jpg some details of the matrix: http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-detail1.jpg http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-detail2.jpg http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-detail4.jpg http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-detail5.jpg I have never seen so a lot of different chondrules in a single meteorite, any sizes and colors of chondrules from 1 to 15 mm. Some areas look somehow carbonaceous. It`s a crazy piece, and the right material for spending some hours on the microscope.:-) Best wishes, Stefan - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stefan Ralew [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] photo link - a cosmic marble WOW, that is so cool! How large is it? Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Stefan Ralew [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 10:03 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] photo link - a cosmic marble Dear List Members, I would like to show an interesting photo of a strange round object in a chondrite (currently under study). It is probably a macrochondrule. I did not see ever such a chondrule in a meteorite. It is amazing. Please, enjoy: http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-large-chondrule.jpg Best wishes, Stefan www.meteoriten.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] photo link - a cosmic marble
Finally, why not thin sections marketed (e.g.) by you, Mike? I have seen Stefan´s high class meteorites, this one and others, a few weeks ago in Berlin, and have thought ever since: these would be very fine for thin sections to be made of them!!! I know a very good slide maker, and he is in your country! Alex Berlin/Germany Congrats Stefan, that is one beautiful stone! Thin sections would be in high demand for this one I would think. Even though I am not a thin-section kind of guy... Mike - Original Message - From: Stefan Ralew [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] photo link - a cosmic marble Hello Mike, Bernd and List, as Bernd already has written, this possible macrochondrule has approx. 13 to 14 mm in diameter. This strange looking macrochondrule is not the only unusual feature in this meteorite. Below I have links to some more photos. Photo of a triangular, greenish-darkgray inclusion: http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-detail7.jpg A close up of the inclusion: http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-inclusion.jpg some details of the matrix: http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-detail1.jpg http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-detail2.jpg http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-detail4.jpg http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-detail5.jpg I have never seen so a lot of different chondrules in a single meteorite, any sizes and colors of chondrules from 1 to 15 mm. Some areas look somehow carbonaceous. It`s a crazy piece, and the right material for spending some hours on the microscope.:-) Best wishes, Stefan - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stefan Ralew [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] photo link - a cosmic marble WOW, that is so cool! How large is it? Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Stefan Ralew [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 10:03 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] photo link - a cosmic marble Dear List Members, I would like to show an interesting photo of a strange round object in a chondrite (currently under study). It is probably a macrochondrule. I did not see ever such a chondrule in a meteorite. It is amazing. Please, enjoy: http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-large-chondrule.jpg Best wishes, Stefan www.meteoriten.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] photo link - a cosmic marble
That is no H3. I would say LL3 or LL4. Mike - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] photo link - a cosmic marble probably its a H3, take a look to this http://it.geocities.com/mcomemeteoritecollection/NWA2179.JPG the matrix of this, not visible in this photo, its full of little chondrules multicolor. Matteo --- Stefan Ralew [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Hello Mike, Bernd and List, as Bernd already has written, this possible macrochondrule has approx. 13 to 14 mm in diameter. This strange looking macrochondrule is not the only unusual feature in this meteorite. Below I have links to some more photos. Photo of a triangular, greenish-darkgray inclusion: http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-detail7.jpg A close up of the inclusion: http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-inclusion.jpg some details of the matrix: http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-detail1.jpg http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-detail2.jpg http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-detail4.jpg http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-detail5.jpg I have never seen so a lot of different chondrules in a single meteorite, any sizes and colors of chondrules from 1 to 15 mm. Some areas look somehow carbonaceous. It`s a crazy piece, and the right material for spending some hours on the microscope.:-) Best wishes, Stefan - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stefan Ralew [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] photo link - a cosmic marble WOW, that is so cool! How large is it? Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Stefan Ralew [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 10:03 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] photo link - a cosmic marble Dear List Members, I would like to show an interesting photo of a strange round object in a chondrite (currently under study). It is probably a macrochondrule. I did not see ever such a chondrule in a meteorite. It is amazing. Please, enjoy: http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-large-chondrule.jpg Best wishes, Stefan www.meteoriten.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Messenger: chiamate gratuite in tutto il mondo http://it.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] photo link - a cosmic marble
Its the same I have say when I have cut my NWA 2179 - its a LL3 - but after the analysis the laboratory have say its a H3. NWA 2179 · Found 2003 · Ordinary chondrite H3 Several stones weighing in total 367.2 g was bought at Erfoud market by an anonymous buyer. Mineralogy and classification (G.Pratesi, V.Moggi Cecchi, MSP)): the meteorite consists of chondrules 500-700 µm in size, of different types (PO, POP, BO, RP) and their fragments embedded in a fine-grained matrix; olivine is Fa0.81-18.38, with an average of Fa6.68; two clusters of analyses, with mean values at Fa1.53 and Fa12.02, respectively, can be delineated for chondrule olivines, pointing to a classification as H chondrite. Low-Ca pyroxenes range from Fs6.13En93.07Wo0.80 to Fs21.01En78.17Wo0.83, in good agreement with olivine data; minor phases are pigeonite, kamacite, taenite and troilite; some olivine grains in BO and PO chondrules are markedly zoned and contain a glassy mesostasis. Compositional data on olivine point to a petrological subtype 3.5. Weathering grade is W2; shock stage is S1. Specimens: one thin section and 29.4 g, MSP; main mass (88.8 g) with anonymous buyer. Matteo --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: That is no H3. I would say LL3 or LL4. Mike - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] photo link - a cosmic marble probably its a H3, take a look to this http://it.geocities.com/mcomemeteoritecollection/NWA2179.JPG the matrix of this, not visible in this photo, its full of little chondrules multicolor. Matteo --- Stefan Ralew [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Hello Mike, Bernd and List, as Bernd already has written, this possible macrochondrule has approx. 13 to 14 mm in diameter. This strange looking macrochondrule is not the only unusual feature in this meteorite. Below I have links to some more photos. Photo of a triangular, greenish-darkgray inclusion: http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-detail7.jpg A close up of the inclusion: http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-inclusion.jpg some details of the matrix: http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-detail1.jpg http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-detail2.jpg http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-detail4.jpg http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-detail5.jpg I have never seen so a lot of different chondrules in a single meteorite, any sizes and colors of chondrules from 1 to 15 mm. Some areas look somehow carbonaceous. It`s a crazy piece, and the right material for spending some hours on the microscope.:-) Best wishes, Stefan - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stefan Ralew [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] photo link - a cosmic marble WOW, that is so cool! How large is it? Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Stefan Ralew [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 10:03 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] photo link - a cosmic marble Dear List Members, I would like to show an interesting photo of a strange round object in a chondrite (currently under study). It is probably a macrochondrule. I did not see ever such a chondrule in a meteorite. It is amazing. Please, enjoy: http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-large-chondrule.jpg Best wishes, Stefan www.meteoriten.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Messenger: chiamate gratuite in tutto il mondo http://it.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com
Re-2: [meteorite-list] photo link - a cosmic marble
Mike wrote: That is no H3. I would say LL3 or LL4. As some areas have chondrules that look very much like L3 or LL3 material (chondrules intact and sharply delineated with hardly any matrix in between), while have obviously undergone considerable metamorphism (chondrule rims blurred, low abundance of chondrules that are intact), we may also be looking at something like L3-5 or LL3-5 or even L3-6 or LL3-6 if Stefan's detail5.jpg is really a highly metamorphosed component. Matteo guesstimated it might also be an H chondrite. Well, the majority of chondrules seem to be rather small which might point toward a possible classification as an H chondrite, but, on the whole, H chondrites usually contain a smaller proportion of large chondrules than the L and LL chondrites. So I too, would assume it to be an L chondrite. But who knows? Only the classification will finally tell! Anyway, whatever it is, it's a terrific example of what the asteroid belt out there has in store for us, and, another example for why I personally think it is an untenable point if someone says NWA meteorites are less sought after than, well, say, historic finds with a pedigree. If this oval tree-ring beauty had geographic coordinates and a well- established TKW, would this add to or diminish its beauty and its extraordinariness? No, I don't think so. No flame wars, please, ... just my point of view ;-) Cheers, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] photo link - a cosmic marble
Hi Stefan, That's an awesome pic. Thanks for sharing! The thing that especially peaked my interest was not just the layed onion-effect but if you take a look at the bottom of the central region you will notice what looks like fragmented chondrules. I'm wondering if this wasn't a completely enclosed chondrule but rather a conical or donut shaped one? That central region looks very similar to encasing and more metamorphosed section on the left. I'd be interested to see what the sister-slices from either side of this slice are like. Great piece, Jeff - Original Message - From: Stefan Ralew To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 4:03 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] photo link - a cosmic marble Dear List Members, I would like to show an interesting photo of a strange round object in a chondrite (currently under study). It is probably a macrochondrule. I did not see ever such a chondrule in a meteorite. It is amazing. Please, enjoy: http://www.meteoriten.com/L-breccia-large-chondrule.jpg Best wishes, Stefan www.meteoriten.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Photo of Lunite-carved Scarab Seal (Dung Beetle Seal)
Dear List, Someone on the list asked to see photos of the labennes carvings of meteorites. I can not supply one of such photos. Please contact me off list. If anyone would like other photos of the TIMA show held in June in Tokyo please also contact me off list. Thank you. Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Fwd: [meteorite-list] Photo of Lunite-carved Scarab Seal (Dung Beetle Seal)
List, This should have read can now supply Sorry. D. Ross..Tokyo --- drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 04:11:35 -0700 (PDT) From: drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo of Lunite-carved Scarab Seal (Dung Beetle Seal Dear List, Someone on the list asked to see photos of the labennes carvings of meteorites. I can not supply one of such photos. Please contact me off list. If anyone would like other photos of the TIMA show held in June in Tokyo please also contact me off list. Thank you. Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] PHOTO OF A LUNAR IMPACT EVENT (was Crackpotin the news...)
Hi, Let's keep this in context, Not all TLP observers are crackpots, (though every subject clearly attracts a few!) There are a number well of respected astronomers who observe the moon looking for TLP's (transient Lunar Phenomena) they are not looking for little green men, but remnant Geological activity, such as out gassing (and perhaps occasional meteor strikes). There are literally thousands of well documented TLP'S (The BAA maintains a large TLP database) (TLP'S are cases of strange glows and flashes regularly observed on the surface), people such as Moore, Herschel, and other great astronomers have seen them. They do exist, the question is are these flashes and glows meteor strikes, out gassing, (or simply bizarre lighting effects due to odd lunar libration). This is why people study them to learn more. There is certainly something in it, since most of the sightings are concentrated around the Aristarchus and the Plato crater areas, both area's have potential for remnant geological activity too since the geology of the area points to volcanic activity in the (geologically speaking) recent past. So bear in mind this is a real phenomena even if a few 'Loonies' start to twist the evidence to fit the theories, (just like quite a few religions I could mention...!) Best, Mark Ford __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] PHOTO OF A LUNAR IMPACT EVENT (was Crackpot in the news...)
Hi! Darren Garrison wrote: I'm still wondering over this line: Bush said it is common to see meteorites, pieces of a meteor, hitting the Moon's surface, however, but it was a rare occurrence to catch a meteor strike. I just sent a post under the old topic heading about vaguely remembering this photo, and discounting it. But I just ran into a NASA press release about the verification of this photo as an impact event, #03-077 of 02-20-03. See, as soon as you blab on about how there ain't no such thing, it pops up out of nowhere! Or, at least, it pops up out of Google... Here's the story and the photo of an impact on the Moon. NASA PRESS RELEASE 03-077 of 02-20-03 ABOUT POSSIBLE 1953 PHOTO OF IMPACT ON MOON: http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2003/feb/HP_news_03077.html THE SAME PRESS RELEASE BUT WITH THE PHOTO http://www.astrosurf.com/lunascan/ltp1956.htm LunaScan is a network of people who run automated telescopes to search for TPL's (Transient Lunar Phenomenon). Here's their home page: http://www.astrosurf.com/lunascan/ Sterling K. Webb __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] PHOTO OF A LUNAR IMPACT EVENT (was Crackpot in the news...)
Sterling wrote: Lunascan is a network of people who run automated telescopes to search for TLP's (Transient Lunar Phenomenon). Some years ago, I got to know, through their mailing list, some of the members of Lunascan. In general. I am not one to judge, but I believe many on this mailing list would position the people of Lunascan within the lunatic fringe. For example: http://www.astrosurf.com/lunascan/elo-st.htm Check out the article Archaeological Reconnaissance of the Moon to get an idea. Regards, Charlie __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Photo of Fiery Object Over UK Mystifies Scientists
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mystery_monday_031013.html Photo of Fiery Object Mystifies Scientists By Robert Roy Britt space.com 13 October 2003 A digital picture of a spectacular and apparently explosive event in the sky fooled a pair of seasoned NASA scientists, has other researchers around the globe mystified, and made a minor celebrity of a teenage photographer. Jonathan Burnett, 15, was photographing his friends skateboarding in Pencoed, Wales when one of them noticed a colorful fireball in the sky. Burnett snapped a picture, then sent it to NASA scientists and asked if they knew what it was. Robert Nemiroff and Jerry Bonnell, who run NASA's Astronomy Picture of the Day (APOD), posted the photograph on Oct. 1 and wrote that a sofa-sized rock came hurtling into the nearby atmosphere of planet Earth and disintegrated. They called the picture one of the more spectacular meteor images yet recorded. Problem is, it turns out, there was no meteor. Rampant speculation Meanwhile, the image and its caption made the Internet rounds and the story was picked up by the media. Interview requests for Jonathan came from the BBC and NBC, among others. Semi-scientific discussions ensued as experts and amateurs debated the image in Internet and e-mail forums. Some initially labeled it a fraud. Others said it might be manmade space junk falling back to Earth, or maybe a military jet unloading fuel and igniting it with its afterburners. During the discussion, the APOD scientists changed their caption, saying the picture likely had something to do with a jet contrail, a consensus that most other scientists had reached. A second wider-angle picture, researchers learned, had been taken at the same time as the first photo. The second image, by Julian Heywood of Porthcawl, about 10 miles from Jonathan's location, helped form the contrail hypothesis and ruled out the idea that the first photo might have been fabricated. Steve Salter, an aircraft engineer in the UK, suggested the contrail might have come from the Concorde, whose flight timing would have put it in the vicinity at the right time. Others deduced the same. I think the most likely explanation is that this is an unusual view of the Concorde's contrail, the APOD's Bonnell told SPACE.com late last week. But nobody knows what generated the explosive appearance. It might just involve bright, reflected light rather than any sort of fiery reality. Marco Langbroek of the Dutch Meteor Society thinks it could be what's known as a false Sun, when light from the setting Sun is refracted by the ice particles that make up a high-altitude contrail, which develops out of jet exhaust. Better than a UFO Adding to the confusion, the whole affair unfolded during a stretch of time when a host of real fireballs were generated by space rocks. Five separate highly visible meteor events in one 8-day period in late September were mostly if not entirely unrelated, astronomers believe. In early September, the public was treated to a set of overblown stories about an asteroid that, for a time, had miniscule odds of hitting Earth in the distant future. So awareness was high, in the media and the public, when Jonathan Burnett's picture was first published. While the photograph remains vexing, it is certain that everyone -- from the photographer to the mistaken NASA astronomers to the legions of other scientists and readers who followed the saga -- got an education. This will be well remembered by meteor and impact experts worldwide for some time I reckon, Langbroek wrote on CCNet, an electronic newsletter that moderated much of the discussion. He added that the whole affair has many lessons, chief among them that media and public awareness over the threat of rocks from space is growing. Clearly the UFO's of bygone days have given way to meteorite impacts as the popular explanation for strange celestial events with both public and press, Langbroek said. Critical of NASA Langbroek had harsh words for the APOD producers, who've been vetting and posting a picture a day for eight years. The pair has a loyal following and recently compiled their favorite images into a book. It is a bit worrying that apparently, within the team responsible for the NASA Astronomy Picture of the Day, nobody seems to have taken the care to contact an expert meteor astronomer first before declaring this publicly a certified 'daylight fireball' on their website, Langroek said. NASA did not live up to its reputation as the major representative for professional astronomers worldwide, he said. Asked to respond, Bonnell said APOD has been a constant learning experience full of pleasant and some not-so-pleasant lessons. Of course, the bad press is disappointing, Bonnell said. In the end it is a really exciting picture and I hope Jon Burnett is not too unhappy or discouraged that his image turned out to be of the Concorde contrail rather than a large meteor trail. Jonathan just wants to know
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo of Fiery Object Over UK Mystifies Scientists
At the risk of showing my igornace (vast), couldn't the photo be subjected to some type of spectrum analysis. Wouldn't a picture of a contrail lighted by the setting sun show a different spectrum than an exploding meteor? Can that be taken from a digital photo? Fly Hill - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:45 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo of Fiery Object Over UK Mystifies Scientists http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mystery_monday_031013.html Photo of Fiery Object Mystifies Scientists By Robert Roy Britt space.com 13 October 2003 A digital picture of a spectacular and apparently explosive event in the sky fooled a pair of seasoned NASA scientists, has other researchers around the globe mystified, and made a minor celebrity of a teenage photographer. Jonathan Burnett, 15, was photographing his friends skateboarding in Pencoed, Wales when one of them noticed a colorful fireball in the sky. Burnett snapped a picture, then sent it to NASA scientists and asked if they knew what it was. Robert Nemiroff and Jerry Bonnell, who run NASA's Astronomy Picture of the Day (APOD), posted the photograph on Oct. 1 and wrote that a sofa-sized rock came hurtling into the nearby atmosphere of planet Earth and disintegrated. They called the picture one of the more spectacular meteor images yet recorded. Problem is, it turns out, there was no meteor. Rampant speculation __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Photo of Fiery Object Over UK Mystifies Scientists
A spectrum would probably just tell you that it is yellow. I would think that there is not enough detail (resolution) to show up any elemental spectra. I tried running it through a Histogram/spectral plot in a 'paint program', but without a reference it is meaningless. One other thought though is, that digital camera's see 'infra red' too, where as normal camera's do not, so in theory if the 'fireball' was bright hot fire and not a cold reflection (say from a contrail), then the image would appear 'whiter' than it should do with a reflection ?(since the IR shows up as white) try taking a photo of a flame (or a working IR TV remote control) with a digital camera, you will be able to see the infra red portion that is invisible to the naked eye it will appear white! Candle flames often appear 'white' in digital shots for this very reason... Mark Ford -Original Message- From: Kevin Fly Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 October 2003 17:15 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Photo of Fiery Object Over UK Mystifies Scientists At the risk of showing my igornace (vast), couldn't the photo be subjected to some type of spectrum analysis. Wouldn't a picture of a contrail lighted by the setting sun show a different spectrum than an exploding meteor? Can that be taken from a digital photo? Fly Hill - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:45 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo of Fiery Object Over UK Mystifies Scientists http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mystery_monday_031013.html Photo of Fiery Object Mystifies Scientists By Robert Roy Britt space.com 13 October 2003 A digital picture of a spectacular and apparently explosive event in the sky fooled a pair of seasoned NASA scientists, has other researchers around the globe mystified, and made a minor celebrity of a teenage photographer. Jonathan Burnett, 15, was photographing his friends skateboarding in Pencoed, Wales when one of them noticed a colorful fireball in the sky. Burnett snapped a picture, then sent it to NASA scientists and asked if they knew what it was. Robert Nemiroff and Jerry Bonnell, who run NASA's Astronomy Picture of the Day (APOD), posted the photograph on Oct. 1 and wrote that a sofa-sized rock came hurtling into the nearby atmosphere of planet Earth and disintegrated. They called the picture one of the more spectacular meteor images yet recorded. Problem is, it turns out, there was no meteor. Rampant speculation __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Photo of Fiery Object Over UK [no longer] Mystifies Scientists
Hi All, Regarding Ron's latest forwarded message about the Wales images: http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mystery_monday_031013.html Robert Nemiroff and Jerry Bonnell (the guys who run NASA's Astronomy Picture of the Day website), shouldn't feel too bad about their premature assessment that Jonathan Burnett's image was of a bolide. Yes, they may have jumped the gun in the interest of getting the information out there quickly. But if it weren't for them I doubt that the picture would ever have reached the level of publicity that it did. And publicity was what was responsible for Julian Heywood coming forward with a second picture, which was critical to solving the mystery. Without that second image, I wouldn't have written my triangulation program and proven that the object was relatively low altitude. Triangulation allowed an approximate determination of the true direction of the contrail, and that contributed to forming the hypothesis that the Concorde was the source of that contrail. Cheers, Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] photo
hello list please how can i post photo to the list how we use url and where, should i do posting photo. i have many photo to show and to ask abaout. all the best habibi _ Gagnes une PS2 ! Envoies un SMS avec le code PS au 61166 (0,34 Hors coût du SMS)
Re: [meteorite-list] photo
Hello Habibi and list, you actually need a site on the internet to post the photos you want, but I have one page and I have some free space on the net, so if you want send me the photos you have and I will post them on the internet and tell the list where they are!!!...Do you want me to post the photos you sent me???...If you say yes, I can do it tomorrow, is that ok??? =0) Rafael B. Torres Space Collection 2001 http://www.geocities.com/rafael_blando _ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
