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Sterling and list, The meteorite you are referring to is the Benld, which fell in Illinois in 1938. (I apologize for lateness of reply--out of town) Interesting to note that the Chicago Field Museum's display, (replete with part of the actual garage roof and automobile spring and cushion)---only has a casting of the meteorite on display---even though the Catalog of Meteorites lists the main mass as being with the museum. Best, Steven L. Sachs / Highland Park, Illinois __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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---BeginMessage--- Sterling and list, The meteorite you are referring to is the Benld, which fell in Illinois in 1938. (I apologize for lateness of reply--out of town) Interesting to note that the Chicago Field Museum's display, (replete with part of the actual garage roof and automobile spring and cushion)---only has a casting of the meteorite on display---even though the Catalog of Meteorites lists the main mass as being with the museum. Best, Steven L. Sachs / Highland Park, Illinois ---End Message---
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Meteorite Pronunciation
Hi, List, The almost entire main mass of the car-killer (sorry, there was no dog in the car) lives in the Field Museum in Chicago. The whereabouts of the car is unknown. Sterling K. Webb Sterling, and group: Parts of the car (the perforated roof, the dented muffler and the seat cushion where the meteorite was ultimately found) are still on display at the Field Museum -- along with the holed portion of the garage roof. In another interesting display, there are pieces of damaged roofing and a twisted rain gutter from a house impact, although the locality of that fall escapes me for the moment. Mark Langenfeld Madison, WI __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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If I remember correctly the house you are thinking of is Hamlet. Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 8:58 AM To: Sterling K. Webb Cc: Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Meteorite Pronunciation Hi, List, The almost entire main mass of the car-killer (sorry, there was no dog in the car) lives in the Field Museum in Chicago. The whereabouts of the car is unknown. Sterling K. Webb Sterling, and group: Parts of the car (the perforated roof, the dented muffler and the seat cushion where the meteorite was ultimately found) are still on display at the Field Museum -- along with the holed portion of the garage roof. In another interesting display, there are pieces of damaged roofing and a twisted rain gutter from a house impact, although the locality of that fall escapes me for the moment. Mark Langenfeld Madison, WI __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Thanks for the correction, Mark. I've been researching Benld on the ground, so to speak. I've been to the newspaper office (same newspaper forever) and seen the original article reporting the fall, a surprizingly intelligent article, but short. The paper was a weekly published on Friday and the fall was discovered on Thursday morning. Nevertheless, they got the story into a box on the front page. I searched subsequent issues for followup stories (like Museum Buys Meteorite or whatever) but have not found any. Interestingly enough, local memory of the fall is very weak. The managing editor of the newspaper donated pamphlets and publications about the fall to the local library for a display some years ago, but all that material has disappeared, or to be more precise, cannot presently be located, to the annoyance of the editor (and me). Before I quit running over there for the winter, I had yet to locate the precise location of the garage. I need to do followup with the 70+ age-group. My theory of the fall is that the combination of near-verticality of path and high penetration ability indicates a high-altitude stagnation point. That is, in order to fall vertically the stone must have had its horizontal velocity reduced to a very slow speed. But to penetrate roof and car, etc. it must have been falling with a 100-300 mph speed. The object must have re-acquired some velocity in the fall. A nearly vertical fall as the original trajectory seems unlikely for several reasons. Since such a high percentage of falls are multiples, I wondered what would have happened to other stones had there been any. The area where the house and garage stood was an addition to the town, what we would call a subdivision today. It was created by filling a brick pit with clay and trash from a demolished brickworks in the 1920's. Had there been other stones falling with the same velocity as the car-penetrator, they would have just punctured grassy areas, burying themselves in the clay fill, leaving hardly a mark and would likely never have been noticed in the fuss over the car. The velocity is too low to produce even micro-craters and the soil fill too soft to resist penetration. My theory of a possibility, anyway... Sterling K. Webb -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, List, The almost entire main mass of the car-killer (sorry, there was no dog in the car) lives in the Field Museum in Chicago. The whereabouts of the car is unknown. Sterling K. Webb Sterling, and group: Parts of the car (the perforated roof, the dented muffler and the seat cushion where the meteorite was ultimately found) are still on display at the Field Museum -- along with the holed portion of the garage roof. In another interesting display, there are pieces of damaged roofing and a twisted rain gutter from a house impact, although the locality of that fall escapes me for the moment. Mark Langenfeld Madison, WI __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi, List, As long as we're lining up to be the official pronouncers of meteoritic names based on our native locales, put me down as the native speaker for BENLD (Illinois, 1938), the first recorded meteorite to hit an automobile. I live just 10.2 miles from its ground zero, or should I say, its garage zero. The car, a 1927 Ford, was parked in its garage when, sometime during the night of September 28, 1938, a 1.77 kilogram H6 perforated the garage roof, car roof, car seat, car floorboard, and concrete floor in a nearly vertical trajectory. Almost nobody who lives more than ten miles away from that little burg has ever pronounced its name correctly. The corect pronunciation is: beh - neld' with the accent on the second syllable. The town was named after its founder, Ben L. Dorsey. The almost entire main mass of the car-killer (sorry, there was no dog in the car) lives in the Field Museum in Chicago. The whereabouts of the car is unknown. Sterling K. Webb __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Philip and All, Now we're cooking with gas! The mp3 files are really the way to go. Imagine the database with native speakers pronouncing the meteorite names for all the world to hear with just a mouse click. Soon, as we drive across country, we can take the bird call CD out and pop in one to practice our meteorite names, for hours on end! If we divide the workload, we can pull this off faster than the human genome project! I'll handle all the meteorites from Montana and Idaho since most people on this planet have accents, but we here in this area of the US have none. This is exciting. I can almost hear the hours upon hours of Texan drawl rattling off 280 or so meteorite names before handing off to Kansas! Oooo, can't you just hear the native southern Californian's bubble off meteorite names in beach-talk or valley-girlese. Cool meteorite names are not just for the French anymore! Cheers, Martin On 4/4/02 11:58 PM, Philip R. Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recorded my best attempts at the pronunciation of Orgueil and L'Aigle. http://www.pibburns.com/laigle.mp3 http://www.pibburns.com/orgueil.mp3 They're mp3 encoded, which most recent computer systems can handle. -- Philip R. Pib Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pibburns.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Great idea! I volunteer to do the Canadian ones. Ya gotta have a Canadian accent to get the best of it! Think Mackenzie brothers accent while saying Tagish lake..eh! Clear Skies Happy Hunting, Jay Haynes IMCA Member #:6905 www.geocities.com/cdnastronomer/meteorite.html From: Martin Horejsi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: meteorite pronunciation Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 09:21:01 -0700 Hi Philip and All, Now we're cooking with gas! The mp3 files are really the way to go. Imagine the database with native speakers pronouncing the meteorite names for all the world to hear with just a mouse click. Soon, as we drive across country, we can take the bird call CD out and pop in one to practice our meteorite names, for hours on end! If we divide the workload, we can pull this off faster than the human genome project! I'll handle all the meteorites from Montana and Idaho since most people on this planet have accents, but we here in this area of the US have none. This is exciting. I can almost hear the hours upon hours of Texan drawl rattling off 280 or so meteorite names before handing off to Kansas! Oooo, can't you just hear the native southern Californian's bubble off meteorite names in beach-talk or valley-girlese. Cool meteorite names are not just for the French anymore! Cheers, Martin On 4/4/02 11:58 PM, "Philip R. Burns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I recorded my best attempts at the pronunciation of Orgueil and L'Aigle. http://www.pibburns.com/laigle.mp3 http://www.pibburns.com/orgueil.mp3 They're mp3 encoded, which most recent computer systems can handle. -- Philip R. "Pib" Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pibburns.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Martin and all, Sounds like a good ideal. I can do the Kansas meteorites since I am a resident if someone has a list..or some of them since there are probley 200 or more (?). We haveover 35telephone marketing centers here in Wichita as we have no accent. Kansas meteorites however, are a little more troublesome because manyhave American Indian name orgins. Thanks, Mark - Original Message - From: Martin Horejsi Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 10:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: meteorite pronunciation Hi Philip and All,Now we're cooking with gas! The mp3 files are really the way to go. Imaginethe database with native speakers pronouncing the meteorite names for allthe world to hear with just a mouse click. Soon, as we drive across country,we can take the bird call CD out and pop in one to practice our meteoritenames, for hours on end!If we divide the workload, we can pull this off faster than the human genomeproject! I'll handle all the meteorites from Montana and Idaho since mostpeople on this planet have accents, but we here in this area of the US havenone.This is exciting. I can almost hear the hours upon hours of Texan drawlrattling off 280 or so meteorite names before handing off to Kansas! Oooo,can't you just hear the native southern Californian's bubble off meteoritenames in beach-talk or valley-girlese. Cool meteorite names are not just forthe French anymore!Cheers,MartinOn 4/4/02 11:58 PM, "Philip R. Burns" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recorded my best attempts at the pronunciation of Orgueil and L'Aigle. http://www.pibburns.com/laigle.mp3 http://www.pibburns.com/orgueil.mp3 They're mp3 encoded, which most recent computer systems can handle. -- Philip R. "Pib" Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pibburns.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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As an expatriate Ohioan, do I get dibs on the Ohio meteorites or the Hawaiian ones? My pidgin accent isn't that great (Ho, brah, we got da kine Honolulu an' da kine Palolo Valley) but I suspect that a decade and a half in tropical climes has corrupted my flat Midwestern accent. Besides, I only have 2 Ohio meteorites in my collection (Powellsville and New Concord, although I'm always looking for more!) and 1 Hawaiian one (Honolulu; Palolo Valley seems to have vanished off the radar for collecting.) Does that have a bearing on anything? :-) Tracy Latimer p.s. Ron, any word on the returning NASA probe that may impact Earth? My husband just emailed me the CNN article. I'll be standing out in left field with my catcher's mitt! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi all, Here's one from the Netherlands - another country who's language has the added trouble that some sounds just do not have equivalents in English meteorite name: Glanerbrug Pronunciation: - the two g's at beginning and end are sharp glottal g's, not unlike the sound you make when a fishbone is stuck in your troath; - the a in 'la': this is a troublesome one. It is a bit like the a in attention, but spoken just a bit longer; - the ner: again troublesome. But the e quite like the opening e in everywhere. Some Dutch would perhaps be happy to pronounce it like in nerd. But the r should be more of a rolling r, unless you are from Leiden or Rotterdam. - brug. The r a rolling r; the u is very troublesome, I cannot come up with an equivalent sound in any English word. English just pronounce the u quite differently, with a flat a sound in it which is missing in the Dutch pronounciation. It is a short uh-sound. Maybe a bit perhaps like the ea sound in early. - Marco __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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At 09:26 PM 4/4/02 -0500, Bob Martino wrote: There is a web site which teaches one how to pronounce star names. It spells the name out, gives the phonetic spelling, and if you click on the little button you'll hear a nice female voice actually say the name a couple of times. Something like this could be done with meteorite names. That someone would not be me, of course, as my tech skills are limited and my voice not sexy enough. I nominate Anne Black. She has a very impressive voice. John John Gwilliam Meteorites PO Box 26854 Tempe AZ 85285 http://www.meteoriteimpact.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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In a message dated 4/4/2002 8:22:16 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Something like this could be done with meteorite names. That someone would not be me, of course, as my tech skills are limited and my voice not sexy enough. I nominate Anne Black. She has a very impressive voice. John Thank you John!!! I am honored, but my tech, skills are very limited too. And I would probably scramble the english and american ones. :-) Anne Black IMCA #2356 www.IMPACTIKA.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I recorded my best attempts at the pronunciation of Orgueil and L'Aigle. http://www.pibburns.com/laigle.mp3 http://www.pibburns.com/orgueil.mp3 They're mp3 encoded, which most recent computer systems can handle. -- Philip R. Pib Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pibburns.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
