Re: [meteorite-list] Ruben Garcia reports: "Glorieta, not hunting allowed..."
OK, cut the BS and bickering and let's stop the finger pointing. I know and am friends with and hunted with some of the people who have hunted Glorieta and they just happen to be the ones who inspired me, and introduced me into the meteorite world. Every time some nice hunting area gets closed down, and hunters get shut out, the finger pointing blame game starts. Feelings get hurt and people lose friends. This is petty BS and many of you guys have been friends for too many years to be accusing "ANYONE" of any wrongdoing. This happens in all areas of treasure hunting, not just the meteorite community. We all know who hunts out there. We also know that these "famous" hunters are ethical and good people. It's not their fault, it's the buttheads that go out there unannounced, without permission, sneaking and peaking, and the ones who you DON'T KNOW that are trashing the place. This goes for any hunting area. If you owned the land that these things were done on you'd close it to the public too! Simple as that. It only takes a few bad apples in the barrel to spoil the whole bunch. It's a cliche, but it's said for a reason. Stop pointing fingers. Be sad about it yes, but stop playing the blame game. Maybe in a few years or sooner it will slowly open back up again. This list is for learning about and discussing meteorites, it's not a public forum for blame, if you've got a beef with someone don't bring it out publicly here, send a freaking email. That's all I have to say about that... Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorite Watch Meteorites USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ruben Garcia reports: "Glorieta, not hunting allowed..."
So are we saying that all the land owners have gotten together along with county, state and federal authorities to form posse's? None of that land has ever been public. All of it is either private, or otherwise owned in part as BLM or other local, state or federal lands. As to hunting on private land, meteorite hunters have always been well known to the locals, if not by name, by activity, and have always been seen as trespassers. So what has changed? I'm sure that most of the well known hunters on the list are responsible people; Everyone I've ever delt with (as well as myself) in respect to the Glorieta field, has always obtained hunting permission from the land-owner. However, there are a lot of individuals who are not necessarily known to the list or the IMCA, or who are just loners who sneak around on their own and hunt quietly on their own. I suspect that those are the ones who who tend to be the irresponsible parties. Maybe it's not such a good idea to advertise ones' activities to the world on Utube; it attracts flies! Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: "Steve Schoner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 10:31 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ruben Garcia reports: "Glorieta,not hunting allowed..." Ruben Garcia wrote: "All hunting on private land in Glorieta is no longer permitted. Prices are getting high and will only go higher. If you don't have a Glorieta individual get one now! This is not a "scare tactic" or "hype" to sell a few pieces. Nice full slices can still be had at a decent price from Mike Miller @ http://www.meteoritefinder.com/glorieta.htm However, there will be no more individuals coming out of the strewnfield, any hunters that try will be arrested." Gee I wonder why? "Taking the Hill" "Glorieta hunts" and all the publicity on the "Treasure" out there on lands that are not only private but also historic battlefields from two wars, the Mexican and the Civil War. Holes left uncovered, trash and bottles scattered on once pristine land. Off road tracks criss crossing every hill and cranny... and more importantly historic relics thought to be old trash were removed from where they were found and piled elsewhere or trashed. And what some thought to be trash was in fact an archeologist's treasure.Whenever I encountered an artifact, I put it right back into the hole, covering as it was. Every hole I ever dug and covered cannot be found today. No wonder that meteorite hunters will be arrested and might I add prosecuted. In the many years that I searched, I always got permission from land owners if I went onto private lands. Now most of those landowners are gone, having sold their lands to others. But for the most part my searches were pretty much restricted to public lands, and well off of the battlefield areas, Blab, blab, blab... Make as much publicity and stink as one can, trash the land... And the result is that that area and any other future meteorite fields that we might find gets shut down. No respect for the rights of property owners; leaving the land cratered like the moon, plastic bottles that will take centuries to break down scattered everywhere... What does Ruben and everyone expect from landowners with their high publicity meteorite hunts? A public, and Government welcoming committee? Steve Schoner IMCA 4470 Save big on quality, name brand carpets. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.mybluelight.com/TGL2341/fc/Ioyw6i51k3dL0dMZrU8K905fiJcz6FWuJDHsX9gRHYnCNfol6oSbRC/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ruben Garcia reports: "Glorieta, not hunting allowed..."
Don, I don't want to and won't trash anyone - not even Steve. I like Steve! I don't know the answers to your questions for sure as I have never personally seen a quad there. Tracks yes, quads no. I've never seen Steve on TV either (regarding Glorieta that is) However, a very good article written by my friend Geoff Notkin was all about Steve's Glorieta escapades. It was because of that article that many of us started looking towards Glorieta. And what about all the information Steve put out on the web regarding Glorieta? I'm proud of my videos, articles, TV shows etc... I won't apologize for that. All I'm saying is that many, many meteorite hunters have been there. Some have done articles, TV shows, and the like... Including Steve. If that is the reason it was closed then ok I'm guilty, but so are many others...including Steve. So lets not be hypocritical. I'm done with this topic! Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ruben Garcia reports: "Glorieta, not hunting allowed..."
So Ruben, who do you suppose put the trash in the holes that Steve was referring to? Who do you suppose put in the 4x4 trails Steve is referring to? Who do you suppose the publicity hounds have been the past several years that brought all the attention to the area? (I haven't seen Steve on TV) Inquiring minds want to know. Don Rawlings --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Ruben Garcia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Ruben Garcia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ruben Garcia reports: "Glorieta, not hunting > allowed..." > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, "Steve Schoner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 2:11 PM > Hey Steve, > > You sound upset at me, though I'm not sure why. I had > full permission from land owners for all of the above - Cash > and Treasures, my videos, articles etc..- The and owners > even allowed me to stay in their cabin while there. Does > that sound like I trashed their area? I've never hunted > on Federal property, I've covered all of my holes and > never taken a quad to glorieta. So who are you talking > about? > > Through the years we (meaning all successful hunters) have > inspired others to become meteorite hunters. You inspired > some yourself, including me! It happens. Did you think > glorieta would be there for you and only you to hunt? > > I'm sorry it is shut down! But not for myself, I'm > sorry for the land owners who got the shaft. I've spoken > to them and they are not mad a me, but because of pressure > from others they had to stop hunting all together. They were > very good to all of us! > > > > Ruben Garcia > Phoenix, Arizona > http://www.mr-meteorite.com > http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v > > > > > > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ruben Garcia reports: "Glorieta, not hunting allowed..."
Hey Steve, You sound upset at me, though I'm not sure why. I had full permission from land owners for all of the above - Cash and Treasures, my videos, articles etc..- The and owners even allowed me to stay in their cabin while there. Does that sound like I trashed their area? I've never hunted on Federal property, I've covered all of my holes and never taken a quad to glorieta. So who are you talking about? Through the years we (meaning all successful hunters) have inspired others to become meteorite hunters. You inspired some yourself, including me! It happens. Did you think glorieta would be there for you and only you to hunt? I'm sorry it is shut down! But not for myself, I'm sorry for the land owners who got the shaft. I've spoken to them and they are not mad a me, but because of pressure from others they had to stop hunting all together. They were very good to all of us! Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ruben Garcia reports: "Glorieta, not hunting allowed..."
Ruben Garcia wrote: "All hunting on private land in Glorieta is no longer permitted. Prices are getting high and will only go higher. If you don't have a Glorieta individual get one now! This is not a "scare tactic" or "hype" to sell a few pieces. Nice full slices can still be had at a decent price from Mike Miller @ http://www.meteoritefinder.com/glorieta.htm However, there will be no more individuals coming out of the strewnfield, any hunters that try will be arrested." Gee I wonder why? "Taking the Hill" "Glorieta hunts" and all the publicity on the "Treasure" out there on lands that are not only private but also historic battlefields from two wars, the Mexican and the Civil War. Holes left uncovered, trash and bottles scattered on once pristine land. Off road tracks criss crossing every hill and cranny... and more importantly historic relics thought to be old trash were removed from where they were found and piled elsewhere or trashed. And what some thought to be trash was in fact an archeologist's treasure.Whenever I encountered an artifact, I put it right back into the hole, covering as it was. Every hole I ever dug and covered cannot be found today. No wonder that meteorite hunters will be arrested and might I add prosecuted. In the many years that I searched, I always got permission from land owners if I went onto private lands. Now most of those landowners are gone, having sold their lands to others. But for the most part my searches were pretty much restricted to public lands, and well off of the battlefield areas, Blab, blab, blab... Make as much publicity and stink as one can, trash the land... And the result is that that area and any other future meteorite fields that we might find gets shut down. No respect for the rights of property owners; leaving the land cratered like the moon, plastic bottles that will take centuries to break down scattered everywhere... What does Ruben and everyone expect from landowners with their high publicity meteorite hunts? A public, and Government welcoming committee? Steve Schoner IMCA 4470 Save big on quality, name brand carpets. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.mybluelight.com/TGL2341/fc/Ioyw6i51k3dL0dMZrU8K905fiJcz6FWuJDHsX9gRHYnCNfol6oSbRC/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
