Re: [meteorite-list] Scots

2009-09-14 Thread Peter Davidson
Kevin, Greg, Sterling and others

As a Scot, who speaks Scots (or Lallans as it is sometimes referred to) I am 
aware of the debate surrounding the status of Scots vis-à-vis English. Is it a 
dialect of English, a variety of English or a separate language?  As is normal 
in this sort of discussion, where you stand is often influenced by politics 
rather than linguistics. 
The answer is net definitive in any way. Before the development of Standard 
English, there was a patchwork of dialects and languages across England and 
Scotland reflecting the different immigrations that took place after the 
departure of the Romans. Angles, Saxons, Jutes and Scandinavians all came in 
and settled in different parts of the island. The languages were all Germanic 
in origin, and may have been mutually intelligible to a greater or lesser 
degree, but led to a mosaic of local languages and speech. Scotland was no 
different in that the southern part was largely Anglic reflecting its partial 
incorporation into the Kingdom of Northumbria. Celtic languages were spoken in 
the South West, West and Highland. Norse was spoken in the far North and in 
Orkney and Shetland. 
As Scotland and England developed began coalescing into distinct nations, a 
tendency towards a "standard" form of speech also began. With the English court 
based in London, a standard for of the language was derived from dialects and 
varieties of the South East. In Scotland, the court was based in Edinburgh so a 
different standard was developed. In effect English and Scots diverged at this 
point. 
As time went on though, English came to have an increasing influence on 
Scottish speech until after the Union of 1707, the adoption of English became 
increasingly obvious as Scots was considered a mere dialect and therefore 
somehow lesser. This continues today where Scots is being eradicated by the 
prevalence of English, despite a lively and diverse literary culture.
This is very much a brief summary of the arguments, and has nothing to do with 
meteorites - many, many apologies.

Cheers

Peter Davidson
Curator of Minerals
 
National Museums Collection Centre
National Museums Scotland
242 West Granton Road
Edinburgh
EH5 1JA
Phone: +44 131 247 4283
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www.nms.ac.uk
 
 
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Even just the mere thought of contemplating this statement,

"Do you count Scots words as a dialect of English?"

to me seems, well, glaekit.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Scots

2009-09-12 Thread Greg Hupe

Being of Scottish decent, can I use this as a proper sentence?

I once heard there was a Dog, a Cow and possibly a Fence "Kilt" by falling 
rocks! ;-)


Best regards,
Greg


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Fer a while, I stood there wi' a
glaikit look on my fizzog, then:
http://literalbarrage.org/blog/archives/2005/01/09/your-scottish-slang-word-o-the-day-glaikit/


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Even just the mere thought of contemplating this statement,

"Do you count Scots words as a dialect of English?"

to me seems, well, glaekit.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Scots

2009-09-12 Thread Sterling K. Webb

Fer a while, I stood there wi' a
glaikit look on my fizzog, then:
http://literalbarrage.org/blog/archives/2005/01/09/your-scottish-slang-word-o-the-day-glaikit/


Sterling K. Webb
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Scots




Even just the mere thought of contemplating this statement,

"Do you count Scots words as a dialect of English?"

to me seems, well, glaekit.

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[meteorite-list] Scots

2009-09-12 Thread Kevin Forbes

Even just the mere thought of contemplating this statement,

"Do you count Scots words as a dialect of English?"

to me seems, well, glaekit.

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