Re: [meteorite-list] Stop Naysaying! (Was: Try divining rods over alarge iron)
Hi Mike, No need top apologise, I don't think discussing ways of finding meteorites is off topic (on a meteorite forum), even if that means discussing some of the more controversial methods. Even though I don't personally think it works (yes I have tried it) I certainly think it was still well worth a discuss. I guess we go back to bickering and advertising giveaways now.. M. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Murray Sent: 14 October 2010 21:14 To: Chris Peterson Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stop Naysaying! (Was: Try divining rods over alarge iron) Hi Chris, List I for one, certainly appreciate your opinions. I have a great deal of respect for your knowledge and abilities. I'm glad you're willing to share the things you do with the List. I would miss it if you didn't. If I haven't thanked you before for the things you share, I will now. Thank you. And I mean that sincerely. List, hopefully we have reviewed at least my original post about the use of the rods all we need to. I have had someone contact me who did not elaborate but their wish was for me to stop please. I presume they are wanting fewer emails. I intend to respect that wish at least on this topic. I don't know exactly where the thread is off to now. Because I don't think some of what I see now being brought up actually pertains to my first post exactly. I believe I will have to relinquish responsibility for the thread at this juncture. I will apologize now for any headaches the number of emails to this point has caused anyone. However I must admit, I have enjoyed the discussion immensely. Thanks all, Mike in CO On Oct 14, 2010, at 1:44 PM, Chris Peterson wrote: Actually, new ideas that are RIGHT have generally been accepted fairly quickly. It is a myth of the pseudoscientist that so many great minds have been considered wrong or crazy, and that the establishment has usually been wrong. It is entirely appropriate that new ideas be viewed with some skepticism before they are accepted, however. In fact, it is science that tells us very clearly that divining rods do not work. This is something that has been put to the test, and failed that test. Nobody can actually demonstrate that they work any better than random chance. Only a fool would ignore that reality in favor of quotes (some of dubious origin). Divining rods, homeopathy, astrology... all these things are firmly in the same category. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stop Naysaying! (Was: Try divining rods over a large iron) Chris, I fully support the eviction of superstition from the human mind. BUT... Non believers and naysayers of radical ideas are typically, historically, and statistically, often wrong! People said the Wright brothers couldn't fly. But they did. People said you would die if you went faster than a few tens of MPH. They were wrong. People disbelieved DaVinci's inventions. But modern science proved many to be possible. People said it wasn't possible to fly to the Moon. Be we did. People slammed Tesla, and persecuted him and his free wireless electricity. Yet today we know induction charging and energy transmission over distance is real. I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work. - Thomas Edison If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right. - Henry Ford Don't take counsel of your fears or naysayers. - General Colin Powell ...The scientific man does not aim at an immediate result. He does not expect that his advanced ideas will be readily taken up. His work is like that of the planter - for the future. His duty is to lay the foundation for those who are to come, and point the way. He lives and labors and hopes Nikola Tesla Thomas Jefferson, with such a great mind on politics and human advancement still had problems and could be considered a naysayer when he said. I would more easily believe that a Yankee professor would lie than that stones would fall from heaven. - Thomas Jefferson Closedmindedness is the enemy of progress. Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list
Re: [meteorite-list] Stop Naysaying! (Was: Try divining rods over alarge iron)
OUCH! mlan...@execpc.com - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stop Naysaying! (Was: Try divining rods over alarge iron) So-- his name is essentially Warren Peace? __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Stop Naysaying! (Was: Try divining rods over alarge iron)
Dear Chris... And how do you explain scientifically proven... that you are living, breathing... and interacting on this forum ? Come on... read the late article on Newton by New York Times. I am sure alchemy is on your list with astrology and so on. Try to stay humble, especially if you are on an observatory ! There are too many charlatans unfortunately... that's also why someone like Newton was doing his alchemical researches in a kind of secrecy, to avoid comments like yours. Darren recently put a link to one of my previous post on the list, I invite you to read it again. Btw, I am a certified Engineer in Agronomy, with 5 years studies on chemicals, biology etc... and many, many years of practicing. It just happened... that my scholarly certitudes... were brutally confronted with the empiric knowledge in so called underdeveloped countries when I was in my late 20s, in Africa, Asia, South America... You would be surprised to ear, that the major and world known Agronomical Research Center in France (INRA) called a healer to fix telluric forces which made their horses get nuts on their way to their pasture, about 20 years ago. It did work, to the pleasure of the researching team and the horses... :) But this is just old grandma recipes... no ? BTW, the magical... lets say, unknown to the scientists, power of the chicken, actually hen soup has been proven. Doesn't that make you/us humble, we scientists... ??? There is a main stream science... and another one... And I definitely like the recent quote from Einstein, that I discovered with infinite pleasure... Enjoy ! Cheers ! Michael B. -- From: Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 9:44 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stop Naysaying! (Was: Try divining rods over alarge iron) Actually, new ideas that are RIGHT have generally been accepted fairly quickly. It is a myth of the pseudoscientist that so many great minds have been considered wrong or crazy, and that the establishment has usually been wrong. It is entirely appropriate that new ideas be viewed with some skepticism before they are accepted, however. In fact, it is science that tells us very clearly that divining rods do not work. This is something that has been put to the test, and failed that test. Nobody can actually demonstrate that they work any better than random chance. Only a fool would ignore that reality in favor of quotes (some of dubious origin). Divining rods, homeopathy, astrology... all these things are firmly in the same category. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stop Naysaying! (Was: Try divining rods over a large iron) Chris, I fully support the eviction of superstition from the human mind. BUT... Non believers and naysayers of radical ideas are typically, historically, and statistically, often wrong! People said the Wright brothers couldn't fly. But they did. People said you would die if you went faster than a few tens of MPH. They were wrong. People disbelieved DaVinci's inventions. But modern science proved many to be possible. People said it wasn't possible to fly to the Moon. Be we did. People slammed Tesla, and persecuted him and his free wireless electricity. Yet today we know induction charging and energy transmission over distance is real. I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work. - Thomas Edison If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right. - Henry Ford Don't take counsel of your fears or naysayers. - General Colin Powell ...The scientific man does not aim at an immediate result. He does not expect that his advanced ideas will be readily taken up. His work is like that of the planter — for the future. His duty is to lay the foundation for those who are to come, and point the way. He lives and labors and hopes Nikola Tesla Thomas Jefferson, with such a great mind on politics and human advancement still had problems and could be considered a naysayer when he said. I would more easily believe that a Yankee professor would lie than that stones would fall from heaven. - Thomas Jefferson Closedmindedness is the enemy of progress. Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net
