[meteorite-list] Suffolk man says he saw meteor hit

2009-04-04 Thread Meteorites USA

Very interesting... Could it be?

http://hamptonroads.com/2009/04/suffolk-man-says-he-saw-meteor-hit

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Re: [meteorite-list] Suffolk man says he saw meteor hit

2009-04-04 Thread Chris Peterson
Not a chance. If he'd seen this a few minutes after the sky lit up, I might 
buy it. I expect he saw the fireball drop below the horizon, a couple 
hundred miles away. This report is extremely typical of that.


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Very interesting... Could it be?

http://hamptonroads.com/2009/04/suffolk-man-says-he-saw-meteor-hit

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Re: [meteorite-list] Suffolk man says he saw meteor hit

2009-04-04 Thread Michael Bross
so, Chris, is it "not a chance" or "he saw the fireball drop below the 
horizon" ??

Kind of confusing...

Michael B, France


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Not a chance. If he'd seen this a few minutes after the sky lit up, I 
might buy it. I expect he saw the fireball drop below the horizon, a 
couple hundred miles away. This report is extremely typical of that.


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Very interesting... Could it be?

http://hamptonroads.com/2009/04/suffolk-man-says-he-saw-meteor-hit

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Re: [meteorite-list] Suffolk man says he saw meteor hit

2009-04-04 Thread GeoZay

>>Not a chance. If he'd seen this a  few minutes after the sky lit up, I 
might 
buy it. I expect he saw the  fireball drop below the horizon, a couple 
hundred miles away. This report is  extremely typical of that.<<

I agree...also this guy claims to have  seen the meteor splash in the water 
near a bridge and him. So it was going fast  enuf to cause it to appear 
incandescent upon impact, but he reports not hearing  any sonic booms, only a 
whistling noiseamazing. The point of retardation  should be in the 
neighborhood 
of 9,000 mph, so this sucker was traveling pretty  fast based upon this 
witness's account.  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Suffolk man says he saw meteor hit

2009-04-04 Thread GeoZay
>>so, Chris, is it "not a chance" or "he  saw the fireball drop below the 
horizon" ??
Kind of  confusing...<<

I think this guy only had 3 chances of being able to  see a meteor hit close 
by in the water, at a speed it should be traveling to  keep incandescence 
present and without any sonic booms...Fat, None and no  Chance. :O) 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Suffolk man says he saw meteor hit

2009-04-04 Thread Chris Peterson
Well, "not a chance" isn't very scientific. I should have said "a really, 
really, really small chance". And the chance I'm referring to is that he 
witnessed an impact. From the description, it sounds like he saw some 
flaming meteor splash into the water nearby, which just didn't happen.


I'd say he saw the meteor disappear below his local horizon, which would 
have happened when the meteor was still many miles high, and therefore very 
far from him- more than a hundred miles, maybe a lot more.


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so, Chris, is it "not a chance" or "he saw the fireball drop below the 
horizon" ??

Kind of confusing...

Michael B, France


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Re: [meteorite-list] Suffolk man says he saw meteor hit

2009-04-04 Thread Meteorites USA

There are a few things left out of the report.

Duration of the event, distance from his location, angle of decent, 
speed and azimuth. If the guy witnessed the entire event from beginning 
to end and the fireball was very far away at first sighting, that 
explains why he may not have heard the boom. It could be that it reached 
the retardation point long before coming close to him. The whistling 
noise reported is also intriguing.


The report does NOT state that the ball of fire hit the water. Only that 
he witnessed a ball of fire.


EXCERPT:

"The shape of it, it was just too perfect to be a piece of junk. It 
looked just like a miniature comet, pretty much," he said. "It was 
really, really white with blue flames. It was pretty wild."


Butler said he didn't hear the boom, only a whistling roar as the object 
flew past. The wind-blown water was really choppy, he added, but he 
could see the splash when it landed.."



He did give a clue as to the direction of travel although it is 
extremely vague as he doesn't say which direction he was looking but 
rather the direction he was traveling (SOUTH). He stated the object was 
"..coming right at my car.."


He could have been looking East or West or in his rear-view mirror for 
that matter.


The point is it's a eye-witness report, and it's interesting enough to 
investigate further.


Even if it does turn out to be nothing.

Eric



Chris Peterson wrote:
Well, "not a chance" isn't very scientific. I should have said "a 
really, really, really small chance". And the chance I'm referring to 
is that he witnessed an impact. From the description, it sounds like 
he saw some flaming meteor splash into the water nearby, which just 
didn't happen.


I'd say he saw the meteor disappear below his local horizon, which 
would have happened when the meteor was still many miles high, and 
therefore very far from him- more than a hundred miles, maybe a lot more.


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so, Chris, is it "not a chance" or "he saw the fireball drop below 
the horizon" ??

Kind of confusing...

Michael B, France


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Re: [meteorite-list] Suffolk man says he saw meteor hit

2009-04-04 Thread Darryl Pitt



generally dislike ruling out ANY chance---except where physics  
dictates otherwise.


fully agree with the following three chances indicated below.




On Apr 4, 2009, at 2:50 PM, geo...@aol.com wrote:

so, Chris, is it "not a chance" or "he  saw the fireball drop  
below the

horizon" ??
Kind of  confusing...<<

I think this guy only had 3 chances of being able to  see a meteor  
hit close
by in the water, at a speed it should be traveling to  keep  
incandescence

present and without any sonic booms...Fat, None and no  Chance. :O)
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Re: [meteorite-list] Suffolk man says he saw meteor hit

2009-04-04 Thread GeoZay
>>There are a few things left out of the  report.

Duration of the event, distance from his location, angle of  decent, 
speed and azimuth. If the guy witnessed the entire event from  beginning 
to end and the fireball was very far away at first sighting, that  
explains why he may not have heard the boom. It could be that it reached  
the retardation point long before coming close to him. The whistling  
noise reported is also intriguing.

The report does NOT state that the  ball of fire hit the water. Only that 
he witnessed a ball of  fire.

EXCERPT:

"The shape of it, it was just too perfect to be a  piece of junk. It 
looked just like a miniature comet, pretty much," he said.  "It was 
really, really white with blue flames. It was pretty  wild."<<

Well...if it reached the point of retardation while he was  observing it. and 
unless this thing was way huge, I kinda doubt he would be able  to keep sight 
of it during several minutes of "dark flight" and driving at the  same time. 
>From the write up, he does mention that it appeared "really, really  white 
with blue flames." and also said it looked like "a miniature comet." With  
these 
statements, I get the impression he claims to have watched it hit the  water 
while its still glowing. 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Suffolk man says he saw meteor hit

2009-04-04 Thread Meteorites USA
I agree Darryl, but only if you assume that he saw the fireball hit the 
water. Which the report does not say.


In fact the report states "...he didn't hear the boom, only a whistling 
roar as the object flew past..." which tells me the object was NOT 
traveling at super sonic speeds or high enough speed to be incandescent.


It does NOT say a fireball hit the water.

Eric









Pitt wrote:



generally dislike ruling out ANY chance---except where physics 
dictates otherwise.


fully agree with the following three chances indicated below.




On Apr 4, 2009, at 2:50 PM, geo...@aol.com wrote:

so, Chris, is it "not a chance" or "he  saw the fireball drop below 
the

horizon" ??
Kind of  confusing...<<

I think this guy only had 3 chances of being able to  see a meteor 
hit close
by in the water, at a speed it should be traveling to  keep 
incandescence

present and without any sonic booms...Fat, None and no  Chance. :O)
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Re: [meteorite-list] Suffolk man says he saw meteor hit

2009-04-04 Thread Meteorites USA

P.S.

His comment "..."The shape of it, it was just too perfect to be a piece 
of junk.." is also a clue to the speed it was traveling. Could he see 
the shape clearly enough if it were moving at super sonic speed? In 
addition he reported he did NOT hear a sonic boom.


Or I could be spending too much time on this and have nothing better to 
do right now.


Taking a day off is good... ;)

Eric





Meteorites USA wrote:

There are a few things left out of the report.

Duration of the event, distance from his location, angle of decent, 
speed and azimuth. If the guy witnessed the entire event from 
beginning to end and the fireball was very far away at first sighting, 
that explains why he may not have heard the boom. It could be that it 
reached the retardation point long before coming close to him. The 
whistling noise reported is also intriguing.


The report does NOT state that the ball of fire hit the water. Only 
that he witnessed a ball of fire.


EXCERPT:

"The shape of it, it was just too perfect to be a piece of junk. It 
looked just like a miniature comet, pretty much," he said. "It was 
really, really white with blue flames. It was pretty wild."


Butler said he didn't hear the boom, only a whistling roar as the 
object flew past. The wind-blown water was really choppy, he added, 
but he could see the splash when it landed.."



He did give a clue as to the direction of travel although it is 
extremely vague as he doesn't say which direction he was looking but 
rather the direction he was traveling (SOUTH). He stated the object 
was "..coming right at my car.."


He could have been looking East or West or in his rear-view mirror for 
that matter.


The point is it's a eye-witness report, and it's interesting enough to 
investigate further.


Even if it does turn out to be nothing.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Suffolk man says he saw meteor hit

2009-04-04 Thread Pete Shugar

If the thing was hotwhere was the steam?
Pete

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P.S.

His comment "..."The shape of it, it was just too perfect to be a piece 
of junk.." is also a clue to the speed it was traveling. Could he see 
the shape clearly enough if it were moving at super sonic speed? In 
addition he reported he did NOT hear a sonic boom.


Or I could be spending too much time on this and have nothing better to 
do right now.


Taking a day off is good... ;)

Eric





Meteorites USA wrote:

There are a few things left out of the report.

Duration of the event, distance from his location, angle of decent, 
speed and azimuth. If the guy witnessed the entire event from 
beginning to end and the fireball was very far away at first sighting, 
that explains why he may not have heard the boom. It could be that it 
reached the retardation point long before coming close to him. The 
whistling noise reported is also intriguing.


The report does NOT state that the ball of fire hit the water. Only 
that he witnessed a ball of fire.


EXCERPT:

"The shape of it, it was just too perfect to be a piece of junk. It 
looked just like a miniature comet, pretty much," he said. "It was 
really, really white with blue flames. It was pretty wild."


Butler said he didn't hear the boom, only a whistling roar as the 
object flew past. The wind-blown water was really choppy, he added, 
but he could see the splash when it landed.."



He did give a clue as to the direction of travel although it is 
extremely vague as he doesn't say which direction he was looking but 
rather the direction he was traveling (SOUTH). He stated the object 
was "..coming right at my car.."


He could have been looking East or West or in his rear-view mirror for 
that matter.


The point is it's a eye-witness report, and it's interesting enough to 
investigate further.


Even if it does turn out to be nothing.

Eric


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Re: [meteorite-list] Suffolk man says he saw meteor hit

2009-04-04 Thread GeoZay
Okay...below is most of the article about what  this guy saw. First of all, 
the time of sighting was at 9:45 pm Sunday NIGHT. If  it wasn't glowing and was 
in the process of "dark flight" when it hit the water,  he's got one heck of 
a good eyesight. It would have to be traveling at least a  couple hundred 
miles per hour when it went over his car. At that velocity or  more and at 
night, 
I doubt I could have picked up on a large object whistling by  overhead. I 
know I wouldn't have been able to see it...particularly while  driving a car. 
Then a meteorite that has yet to land, has a few minutes of dark  flight to 
experience. I'm kinda curious as to how this guy would make the  connection of 
seeing a bright meteor, followed by a few minutes of  darkness(which it would 
have 
to have during dark flight), to the whistling noise  overhead that landed in 
the water...unless he was claiming it to be  incandescent. :O) He also says 
that he was driving over the Chesapeake Bay  Bridge "when night turned briefly 
into day. " "There it was, coming right at my  car. It was so fast that I 
didn't even have time to think that I might have been  in danger. It shot right 
over my car, it went down in the water right between  the two bridges." 
Well...I'm convinced he's alluding that it was incandescent  all the way to the 
water. 
So for it to be incandescent to the water, the  meteorite would have to be 
about ten tons plus traveling over 9,000 mph. That  must have been one heck of 
a 
splash. :O) 
George Zay
Most of the article  below:
"But only one person has said he saw where it landed.
Joe Butler of  Suffolk says he was driving south across the Chesapeake Bay 
Bridge-Tunnel when  night turned briefly into day.
"The sky was light all of a sudden, like it  was daytime," Butler recalled on 
Friday. "There it was, coming right at my car.  It was so fast that I didn't 
even have time to think that I might have been in  danger.
"It shot right over my car, it went down in the water right between  the two 
bridges."
Butler said he was near the tallest part of the bridge,  near Fisherman 
Island, where the northbound and southbound lanes separate  widely. The meteor, 
he 
said, splashed into the water between them.
"I was  like, what in the world is going on?" Butler said. "My daughter, she 
said, 'Wow,  what was that, Daddy?' and I said, 'I don't know, babe, I think 
that was a  falling star.' "
The meteor flashed past Hampton Roads around 9:45 p.m.  Sunday, briefly 
lighting up the landscape.
It was followed one to two minutes  later by a sonic boom, which experts said 
meant it had penetrated deep enough  into the atmosphere to leave 
meteorites.<<  

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Re: [meteorite-list] Suffolk man says he saw meteor hit

2009-04-04 Thread GeoZay
>>His comment "..."The shape of it, it was  just too perfect to be a piece 
of junk.." is also a clue to the speed it was  traveling. Could he see 
the shape clearly enough if it were moving at super  sonic speed?<<

Could he see a non glowing object at all, at almost  ten at night while 
driving a car?  :O)
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Re: [meteorite-list] Suffolk man says he saw meteor hit

2009-04-04 Thread Mr EMan

Not adding an opinion but just about observation consistency.
Four points and a question:
1. Once again we are dealing with a reporter--which is a class of individuals 
that consistently scramble eye-witness interviews.
  
2. His location was very close to the Doppler echo end track.

3. Owing to how a sonic boom propagates to the side and rear of the hypersonic 
missile, if you are near dead front of objects path you tend to only get echoes 
from gound reflections unlsee the object is still super sonic when passing your 
location --ask any one that has been shot at by a super sonic round.  One may 
hear the bullet thump but don't hear the the sonic signature that nearby folks 
usually do.  Thus the old adage about not hearing the shot that hits you. 

4.  Whistling, roaring, buzzing, or wap-wap sounds--( unlike those of a sonic 
boom, bolide, or explosion,) are often reported by observers near where a 
meteorite drops.

How fortunate the tidewaters are warming up and we have some scuba divers on 
the list.

Q: Now this was a retrograde meteor correct?  Retrograde is contra earth's 
rotation and prograde is with the direction of rotation?  Simple I know but I 
am in an argument with myself and need a referee.

Elton
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Re: [meteorite-list] Suffolk man says he saw meteor hit

2009-04-04 Thread Becky and Kirk
Sounds like an unidentified flying objectan "object" that was "flying" 
and "unidentifiable??"

Kirk.:-)
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His comment "..."The shape of it, it was  just too perfect to be a piece

of junk.." is also a clue to the speed it was  traveling. Could he see
the shape clearly enough if it were moving at super  sonic speed?<<

Could he see a non glowing object at all, at almost  ten at night while
driving a car?  :O)
GeoZay

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Re: [meteorite-list] Suffolk man says he saw meteor hit

2009-04-04 Thread GeoZay

>>Sounds like an unidentified flying  objectan "object" that was "flying" 
and  "unidentifiable??"
Kirk.:-)<<

Yeah I know...and the truth is  out there somewhere. :O)  For whatever 
reason, people often like to tell a  story, that is better than the truth. 
Mostly 
based on pre-conceived ideas and to  what they think things should be.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Suffolk man says he saw meteor hit

2009-04-04 Thread Becky and Kirk

Good point Geoyou are correct!
Kirk..
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Sounds like an unidentified flying  objectan "object" that was 
"flying"

and  "unidentifiable??"
Kirk.:-)<<

Yeah I know...and the truth is  out there somewhere. :O)  For whatever
reason, people often like to tell a  story, that is better than the truth. 
Mostly

based on pre-conceived ideas and to  what they think things should be.
GeoZay

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Re: [meteorite-list] Suffolk man says he saw meteor hit

2009-04-04 Thread Walter Branch
I think many people's pre-conceived idea of what a meteor or meteorite 
should be is based upon a Hollywood movie (e.g, Armageddon) of exploding 
meteorites raining havoc on the populace, which is why I don't want 
Hollywood to ever change it's version.  It makes it easy to tell the 
could-be-true stories from the ones which don't even have a chance.


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Sounds like an unidentified flying  objectan "object" that was 
"flying"

and  "unidentifiable??"
Kirk.:-)<<

Yeah I know...and the truth is  out there somewhere. :O)  For whatever
reason, people often like to tell a  story, that is better than the truth. 
Mostly

based on pre-conceived ideas and to  what they think things should be.
GeoZay

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Re: [meteorite-list] Suffolk man says he saw meteor hit UPDATE

2009-04-05 Thread Meteorites USA

Hi all,

Here's a comment on the PilotOnline.com website report:

http://hamptonroads.com/2009/04/suffolk-man-says-he-saw-meteor-hit

UPDATE: Comment Submitted by funtogo on Sat, 04/04/2009 at 5:19 pm.
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After Joe told me Wednesday night about the sighting, I called the 
Virginian Pilot to give them his name. The Pilot called him. He was not 
so interested in reporting it. He had not read the paper and did not 
know about the hub-bub until Tuesday. He did immediately call a friend 
to tell them what he had seen, but then let it go. He just thought he 
had seen a shooting star. A once in a time event, but not knowing that 
so many others had seen it, he just accepted it as an unusual event. He 
said he looked around and there were no other cars within sight so I 
doubt anyone else saw it. He was returning Sunday night with my 
granddaughter Alana from visiting family in Maryland. He has the toll 
receipt showing that he paid the toll at 9:29 pm. That would put him on 
the bridge about 9:35 assuming the clocks at the toll booth are 
accurate. Could be off a few minutes. Based on reports from those at the 
ocean front saying they saw it in the northwest sky, this would be 
consistant with where it landed. This spot is about half way from 
Maryland and North Carolina where people live that reported the 
sighting. I accept his report as accurate and agree that someone should 
look for it. The water...

--

What if? If the times are correct on the receipts, they correspond to 
the data time and location.


Eric

P.S. Don't forget he did NOT hear the sonic boom, and instead heard the 
loud whistling noise.





Meteorites USA wrote:

P.S.

His comment "..."The shape of it, it was just too perfect to be a 
piece of junk.." is also a clue to the speed it was traveling. Could 
he see the shape clearly enough if it were moving at super sonic 
speed? In addition he reported he did NOT hear a sonic boom.


Or I could be spending too much time on this and have nothing better 
to do right now.


Taking a day off is good... ;)

Eric





Meteorites USA wrote:

There are a few things left out of the report.

Duration of the event, distance from his location, angle of decent, 
speed and azimuth. If the guy witnessed the entire event from 
beginning to end and the fireball was very far away at first 
sighting, that explains why he may not have heard the boom. It could 
be that it reached the retardation point long before coming close to 
him. The whistling noise reported is also intriguing.


The report does NOT state that the ball of fire hit the water. Only 
that he witnessed a ball of fire.


EXCERPT:

"The shape of it, it was just too perfect to be a piece of junk. It 
looked just like a miniature comet, pretty much," he said. "It was 
really, really white with blue flames. It was pretty wild."


Butler said he didn't hear the boom, only a whistling roar as the 
object flew past. The wind-blown water was really choppy, he added, 
but he could see the splash when it landed.."



He did give a clue as to the direction of travel although it is 
extremely vague as he doesn't say which direction he was looking but 
rather the direction he was traveling (SOUTH). He stated the object 
was "..coming right at my car.."


He could have been looking East or West or in his rear-view mirror 
for that matter.


The point is it's a eye-witness report, and it's interesting enough 
to investigate further.


Even if it does turn out to be nothing.

Eric


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