Hello Adam and List,
Although my last post met with a few less than positive responses, I feel I
would like to comment.
Now having only been collecting meteorites since Feb of 2004, I'd say I am
still really new at this hobby. I am a born packrat and I have collected
Assay Equipment to Ratfinks and everything in between.
I would have to say this is a somewhat difficult hobby to get involved with
due to the amount of mis-information which Adam has wrote about. Let's take
TKW's, I can go to 3 different web sites and find 3 different numbers.
Prices vary from .99 to 20.00 on the same size pieces. There is no set
market here, although there is a base average. Maybe someday a price guide
will be wrote to regulate this a bit.
As far as honesty in any hobby, this is based on the individual person
buying or selling said meteorite. I bought a meteorite from Adam Hupe and
when I got it, I received exactly what was advertised. However, my first
Canyon Diablo meteorites I bought from another dealer ended up being
Magnetite. I lost money with that dealer and it pissed me off!
Adam's comment:
"It has to stop because it is damaging the core of our favorite hobby and
avocation, meteoritics."
is very true. This is still a newer hobby when you look at something like
coin collecting. We don't want to kill the fun and importance of the hobby
before it really gets started. So I say Go For It Adam!
Cj Lebel
From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Dave Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] curious
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:43:11 -0700
Dear Dave and List,
The reason I am so upset about fraud is that it directly affects the value
of our collection and takes some of the fun away from the avocation. I
will
give you a few examples:
I recently traded with a well known and somewhat respected dealer. After
analyzing the material he sent I was disappointed to find it was not what
he
reported it to be. When confronted he claimed another well known dealer
sold it to him. I called the other dealer to let him know what he was
distributing was bogus. He said the other dealer made it up. Now, I do not
know which one is telling the truth so I will no longer do business with
either one.
We had yet another well known dealer try to illegally interfere with one of
our auctions by calling the auction house and claiming part ownership in
one
of our specimens even though we paid 100% for the specimen and have had
clear title since the beginning. The only motivation I can see for this is
pure greed and lack of a moral compass.
Total Known Weights, when reported on ebay are inaccurate about 38% of the
time.
Pairings, some of which are not correct, are being made by sight alone with
no scientific input.
Some people continue to sell terrestrial or man-made objects as meteorites
when they know differently.
Meteorites are being sold as main masses when they do not fit the criteria
even when known pairings of greater weight are known. When something is
assigned a different Name or Number even though it is paired does not make
it a main mass.
I am hoping my message will get to those who are committing fraud and help
stop this destructive practice but experience tells me otherwise. I should
not get too much into the negative aspect of this hobby and maybe I should
be pointing out who is, in my opinion, doing an honest job.
All the best,
Adam
Original Message -
From: "Dave Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "metlist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 9:08 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] curious
> Hi,
> Having just read Adam Hupe's firm action for meteorite fraudsters, I was
> wondering why no one has commented on it, and does he have some
information
> he should be sharing with us? I have never heard either of the
Magnificent
> Hupes speak in such strong rhetoric!!
>
> Curiously...
> dave
>
> IMCA #0092
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