Re: [meteorite-list] Tuscon auction question
Did the Meteorite Collecting magazine extras show up? Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: "Steve Witt" To: "Don Edwards" ; ; ; Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tuscon auction question Greetings List, I must concur with Ryan. (Iwas not there, but watched the live feed) There were several occasions where it was announced that the current bid was the maximum of an absentee bid. Respectfully, Steve Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://imca.cc/ --- On Sun, 2/6/11, fallingfus...@wi.rr.com wrote: From: fallingfus...@wi.rr.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tuscon auction question To: "Don Edwards" , meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, February 6, 2011, 5:42 PM That is incorrect. There were several occasions where the max. absentee was announced as live floor bidders were actively bidding. Ryan Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Don Edwards Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 15:34:28 To: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tuscon auction question I was there and as I heard it, absentee MAX bids were NOT announced in advance but were treated as regular bids. Sometimes it was said that the current bid was an absentee bid but that was the extent of the information. All winning bidders were announced on each auction (by bidder number, never by name) so were not identified enless we were watching who was holding up the bidder cards as the bids were made. I think there may have been some problems last year (not certain, but ...) however this year it is my impression that absentee bids were treated as regular bids. At most, it would have been said that the current bid was absentee but the next bid would win 'in house.' Again, I do NOT remember any absentee MAX bids being given out early. There were a couple of cases where absentee entry bids were announced as in "I have an absentee beginning bid of $$$, so will anyone bid ?" Don Edwards Houston, TX IMCA 6527 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tuscon auction question
Greetings List, I must concur with Ryan. (Iwas not there, but watched the live feed) There were several occasions where it was announced that the current bid was the maximum of an absentee bid. Respectfully, Steve Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://imca.cc/ --- On Sun, 2/6/11, fallingfus...@wi.rr.com wrote: > From: fallingfus...@wi.rr.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tuscon auction question > To: "Don Edwards" , > meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com, > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Sunday, February 6, 2011, 5:42 PM > That is incorrect. There were several > occasions where the max. absentee was announced as live > floor bidders were actively bidding. > Ryan > Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® > > -Original Message- > From: Don Edwards > Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 15:34:28 > To: > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tuscon auction question > > I was there and as I heard it, absentee MAX bids were NOT > announced in advance but were treated as regular bids. > Sometimes it was said that the current bid was an absentee > bid but that was the extent of the information. All winning > bidders were announced on each auction (by bidder number, > never by name) so were not identified enless we were > watching who was holding up the bidder cards as the bids > were made. > > I think there may have been some problems last year (not > certain, but ...) however this year it is my impression that > absentee bids were treated as regular bids. At most, it > would have been said that the current bid was absentee but > the next bid would win 'in house.' > > Again, I do NOT remember any absentee MAX bids being given > out early. There were a couple of cases where absentee entry > bids were announced as in "I have an absentee beginning bid > of $$$, so will anyone bid ?" > > Don Edwards > Houston, TX > IMCA 6527 > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tuscon auction question
Unless an in house bidder is blind or not alert there is no way to escape that advantage. Plus being able to continue bidding if they chose. This is different than knowing a maximum bid in advance. Howard J. Wu L.ac Bishop, CA On Feb 6, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Michael Gilmer wrote: > Regardless of whether the absentee bidder's actual amount was > announced - as I understand it, all bidders are announced as numbers - > there is no distinction between live bidders, absentee bidders, proxy > bidders, or house bidders. That the live audience knew the current > bid (or any bid) was an absentee bidder gives the live bidders who are > there in person an advantage. And this also goes against what was > stated in the auction rules on Mr. Blood's website that was quoted > earlier in this thread. > > That's my understanding of how live auctions work. Maybe I am wrong. > > > On 2/6/11, Howard Wu wrote: >> I could see that happening only if there were more than one competing >> absentee bids. That is where the auction would begin. I hope this was the >> case. >> >> Howard >> >> On Feb 6, 2011, at 3:42 PM, fallingfus...@wi.rr.com wrote: >> >>> That is incorrect. There were several occasions where the max. absentee >>> was announced as live floor bidders were actively bidding. >>> Ryan >>> Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Don Edwards >>> Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com >>> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 15:34:28 >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tuscon auction question >>> >>> I was there and as I heard it, absentee MAX bids were NOT announced in >>> advance but were treated as regular bids. Sometimes it was said that the >>> current bid was an absentee bid but that was the extent of the >>> information. All winning bidders were announced on each auction (by bidder >>> number, never by name) so were not identified enless we were watching who >>> was holding up the bidder cards as the bids were made. >>> >>> I think there may have been some problems last year (not certain, but ...) >>> however this year it is my impression that absentee bids were treated as >>> regular bids. At most, it would have been said that the current bid was >>> absentee but the next bid would win 'in house.' >>> >>> Again, I do NOT remember any absentee MAX bids being given out early. >>> There were a couple of cases where absentee entry bids were announced as >>> in "I have an absentee beginning bid of $$$, so will anyone bid ?" >>> >>> Don Edwards >>> Houston, TX >>> IMCA 6527 >>> >>> >>> >>> __ >>> Visit the Archives at >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> __ >>> Visit the Archives at >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > -- > -- > Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites > > Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com > Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 > Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone > Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com > EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 > --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tuscon auction question
Regardless of whether the absentee bidder's actual amount was announced - as I understand it, all bidders are announced as numbers - there is no distinction between live bidders, absentee bidders, proxy bidders, or house bidders. That the live audience knew the current bid (or any bid) was an absentee bidder gives the live bidders who are there in person an advantage. And this also goes against what was stated in the auction rules on Mr. Blood's website that was quoted earlier in this thread. That's my understanding of how live auctions work. Maybe I am wrong. On 2/6/11, Howard Wu wrote: > I could see that happening only if there were more than one competing > absentee bids. That is where the auction would begin. I hope this was the > case. > > Howard > > On Feb 6, 2011, at 3:42 PM, fallingfus...@wi.rr.com wrote: > >> That is incorrect. There were several occasions where the max. absentee >> was announced as live floor bidders were actively bidding. >> Ryan >> Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Don Edwards >> Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 15:34:28 >> To: >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tuscon auction question >> >> I was there and as I heard it, absentee MAX bids were NOT announced in >> advance but were treated as regular bids. Sometimes it was said that the >> current bid was an absentee bid but that was the extent of the >> information. All winning bidders were announced on each auction (by bidder >> number, never by name) so were not identified enless we were watching who >> was holding up the bidder cards as the bids were made. >> >> I think there may have been some problems last year (not certain, but ...) >> however this year it is my impression that absentee bids were treated as >> regular bids. At most, it would have been said that the current bid was >> absentee but the next bid would win 'in house.' >> >> Again, I do NOT remember any absentee MAX bids being given out early. >> There were a couple of cases where absentee entry bids were announced as >> in "I have an absentee beginning bid of $$$, so will anyone bid ?" >> >> Don Edwards >> Houston, TX >> IMCA 6527 >> >> >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tuscon auction question
I could see that happening only if there were more than one competing absentee bids. That is where the auction would begin. I hope this was the case. Howard On Feb 6, 2011, at 3:42 PM, fallingfus...@wi.rr.com wrote: > That is incorrect. There were several occasions where the max. absentee was > announced as live floor bidders were actively bidding. > Ryan > Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® > > -Original Message- > From: Don Edwards > Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 15:34:28 > To: > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tuscon auction question > > I was there and as I heard it, absentee MAX bids were NOT announced in > advance but were treated as regular bids. Sometimes it was said that the > current bid was an absentee bid but that was the extent of the information. > All winning bidders were announced on each auction (by bidder number, never > by name) so were not identified enless we were watching who was holding up > the bidder cards as the bids were made. > > I think there may have been some problems last year (not certain, but ...) > however this year it is my impression that absentee bids were treated as > regular bids. At most, it would have been said that the current bid was > absentee but the next bid would win 'in house.' > > Again, I do NOT remember any absentee MAX bids being given out early. There > were a couple of cases where absentee entry bids were announced as in "I have > an absentee beginning bid of $$$, so will anyone bid ?" > > Don Edwards > Houston, TX > IMCA 6527 > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tuscon auction question
I could see that happening if there were competing absentee bids that the lower maximum being known as the starting point Howard J. Wu L.ac Bishop, CA On Feb 6, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Don Edwards wrote: > I was there and as I heard it, absentee MAX bids were NOT announced in > advance but were treated as regular bids. Sometimes it was said that the > current bid was an absentee bid but that was the extent of the information. > All winning bidders were announced on each auction (by bidder number, never > by name) so were not identified enless we were watching who was holding up > the bidder cards as the bids were made. > > I think there may have been some problems last year (not certain, but ...) > however this year it is my impression that absentee bids were treated as > regular bids. At most, it would have been said that the current bid was > absentee but the next bid would win 'in house.' > > Again, I do NOT remember any absentee MAX bids being given out early. There > were a couple of cases where absentee entry bids were announced as in "I have > an absentee beginning bid of $$$, so will anyone bid ?" > > Don Edwards > Houston, TX > IMCA 6527 > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tuscon auction question
That is incorrect. There were several occasions where the max. absentee was announced as live floor bidders were actively bidding. Ryan Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Don Edwards Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 15:34:28 To: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tuscon auction question I was there and as I heard it, absentee MAX bids were NOT announced in advance but were treated as regular bids. Sometimes it was said that the current bid was an absentee bid but that was the extent of the information. All winning bidders were announced on each auction (by bidder number, never by name) so were not identified enless we were watching who was holding up the bidder cards as the bids were made. I think there may have been some problems last year (not certain, but ...) however this year it is my impression that absentee bids were treated as regular bids. At most, it would have been said that the current bid was absentee but the next bid would win 'in house.' Again, I do NOT remember any absentee MAX bids being given out early. There were a couple of cases where absentee entry bids were announced as in "I have an absentee beginning bid of $$$, so will anyone bid ?" Don Edwards Houston, TX IMCA 6527 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tuscon auction question
I was there and as I heard it, absentee MAX bids were NOT announced in advance but were treated as regular bids. Sometimes it was said that the current bid was an absentee bid but that was the extent of the information. All winning bidders were announced on each auction (by bidder number, never by name) so were not identified enless we were watching who was holding up the bidder cards as the bids were made. I think there may have been some problems last year (not certain, but ...) however this year it is my impression that absentee bids were treated as regular bids. At most, it would have been said that the current bid was absentee but the next bid would win 'in house.' Again, I do NOT remember any absentee MAX bids being given out early. There were a couple of cases where absentee entry bids were announced as in "I have an absentee beginning bid of $$$, so will anyone bid ?" Don Edwards Houston, TX IMCA 6527 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tuscon auction question
Where absentee bids release first? If that happened I would be totally offended. It would be a breach of contract between bidder and house. Whats to stop shill bidding to a nickel below absentee bids? Or a nickel over. I sent in two absentee bids. I hope did not happen. Howard J. Wu L.ac Bishop, CA On Feb 6, 2011, at 2:33 PM, Nigel & Julie Mann wrote: > As an absentee bidder who was not able to watch the auction stream live I > have been a little confused when reading recent posts regarding the auction > as to what exactly occurred when handling absentee bids. > > I had assumed that they would be treated just like any other bid from someone > in the audience as stated on the Auction details: "ABSENTEE BIDS will give > you an excellent opportunity to buy as though you were at the auction, even > from Europe. You offer your highest bid and are automatically "bid up" only > with the live bidding, so, you could get it well below your maximum." > > Did this not happen in practice? I read mention of absentee bids' maximums > being announced to the audience?? > > Nigel. > > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tuscon auction question
As an absentee bidder who was not able to watch the auction stream live I have been a little confused when reading recent posts regarding the auction as to what exactly occurred when handling absentee bids. I had assumed that they would be treated just like any other bid from someone in the audience as stated on the Auction details: "ABSENTEE BIDS will give you an excellent opportunity to buy as though you were at the auction, even from Europe. You offer your highest bid and are automatically "bid up" only with the live bidding, so, you could get it well below your maximum." Did this not happen in practice? I read mention of absentee bids' maximums being announced to the audience?? Nigel. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
