[meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
I'll add the Alby-sur-Cheran eucrite which pierced the roof of a factory in 2002 (http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=458) Pierre-Marie Pele www.meteor-center.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I would tend to agree with this. I'm also curious why Carancas is on the list as a 'hammer'. There was only one mass which hit the ground. I know dirt clods hit buildings etc. but I was unaware of another mass hitting something man-made. Can someone please correct me if I'm wrong here? Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Jeff Grossman jgross...@usgs.gov To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:00 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. It seems to me that this marketing term hammer should only be applied to the actual stone(s) that hit a structure, not an entire shower. Thus, Moss stone #5 is a hammer since it went through a roof, but stone #2 is not since it only hit a tree and landed in some grass. jeff m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and interest (at least to me). Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA -Original Message- From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Ehm is Ourique a hammer too? It hit a man made dirt road. And Hosur made a hole in a road too. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael Gilmer Gesendet: Montag, 9. März 2009 16:57 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Hi Listees! :) I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a semi-respectable number - albeit still quite small compared to some of the envious collections other list members have. So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and how many hammers do you have in your collection? Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers : Hammer falls - Allende Carancas Claxton Gao Guenie Holbrook Moss Murchison New Orleans Park Forest Peekskill Weston Other witnessed falls - Bassikounou Chergach Ensisheim Juvinas Norton County Shalka Sikhote Alin Tagish Lake Tamdakht Tatahouine Udei Station West Texas Zag Zagami This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed falls and hammers. I only collect recent falls that happened after I started collecting in late 2006. So, basically from Bassikounou forward is fair game. This is an arbitrary starting point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary line to base my fall collection on. I am missing quite a few recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc, Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment. As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them. Any meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it. The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more interested I am in acquiring it. Claxton is awesome. Imagine how small a mailbox is. Even when considering there are millions of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a meteorite hitting one? To me, that is interesting. Peekskill is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course, Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional circumstance. But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;) New Orleans? Very interesting. First, it struck a house, but it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying a desk. That makes it worth collecting. But even more interesting is the overlooked fact that New Orleans is the only visitor to New Orleans to visit the area and not come away drunk, drugged, tattooed or sans virginity. ;) Weston? Well, even if Thomas Jefferson had uttered the famous phrase he was misquoted for, the damn Yankee professors didn't lie. Anything that make a founding father look dense is worth collecting. I love Carancas - because it's a tease. I would love to have a fully-crusted, whole individual. But who wouldn't? It's like Tatahouine - you aren't getting any crust and you aren't getting a whole individual, no matter how much money you offer. You can't buy what doesn't exist, so Carancas and Tatahouine are the two teases of the meteorite world. But we love to be teased, so these two falls will always be favorites of mine. Did anyone ever find out what the so-called noxious fumes were that supposedly emanated from the Carancas crater? Murchison? Smelled like rotten eggs
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I seem to recall that some stones hit some rooftops. Elton --- On Tue, 3/10/09, Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au wrote: From: Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 3:46 AM I would tend to agree with this. I'm also curious why Carancas is on the list as a 'hammer'. There was only one mass which hit the ground. I know dirt clods hit buildings etc. but I was unaware of another mass hitting something man-made. Can someone please correct me if I'm wrong here? Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Jeff Grossman jgross...@usgs.gov To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:00 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. It seems to me that this marketing term hammer should only be applied to the actual stone(s) that hit a structure, not an entire shower. Thus, Moss stone #5 is a hammer since it went through a roof, but stone #2 is not since it only hit a tree and landed in some grass. jeff m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and interest (at least to me). Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA -Original Message- From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Ehm is Ourique a hammer too? It hit a man made dirt road. And Hosur made a hole in a road too. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael Gilmer Gesendet: Montag, 9. März 2009 16:57 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Hi Listees! :) I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a semi-respectable number - albeit still quite small compared to some of the envious collections other list members have. So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and how many hammers do you have in your collection? Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers : Hammer falls - Allende Carancas Claxton Gao Guenie Holbrook Moss Murchison New Orleans Park Forest Peekskill Weston Other witnessed falls - Bassikounou Chergach Ensisheim Juvinas Norton County Shalka Sikhote Alin Tagish Lake Tamdakht Tatahouine Udei Station West Texas Zag Zagami This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed falls and hammers. I only collect recent falls that happened after I started collecting in late 2006. So, basically from Bassikounou forward is fair game. This is an arbitrary starting point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary line to base my fall collection on. I am missing quite a few recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc, Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment. As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them. Any meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it. The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more interested I am in acquiring it. Claxton is awesome. Imagine how small a mailbox is. Even when considering there are millions of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a meteorite hitting one? To me, that is interesting. Peekskill is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course, Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional circumstance. But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;) New Orleans? Very interesting. First, it struck a house, but it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying a desk. That makes it worth collecting. But even more interesting is the overlooked fact that New Orleans is the only visitor to New Orleans to visit the area and not come away drunk, drugged, tattooed or sans virginity. ;) Weston? Well, even if Thomas Jefferson had uttered the famous phrase he was misquoted for, the damn Yankee professors didn't lie. Anything that make a founding father look dense is worth
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The meteorite penetrated the roof of this house http://www.meteorman.org/Carancas.htm Regards, Tim Heitz - Original Message - From: Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:46 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. I would tend to agree with this. I'm also curious why Carancas is on the list as a 'hammer'. There was only one mass which hit the ground. I know dirt clods hit buildings etc. but I was unaware of another mass hitting something man-made. Can someone please correct me if I'm wrong here? Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Jeff Grossman jgross...@usgs.gov To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:00 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. It seems to me that this marketing term hammer should only be applied to the actual stone(s) that hit a structure, not an entire shower. Thus, Moss stone #5 is a hammer since it went through a roof, but stone #2 is not since it only hit a tree and landed in some grass. jeff m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and interest (at least to me). Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA -Original Message- From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Ehm is Ourique a hammer too? It hit a man made dirt road. And Hosur made a hole in a road too. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael Gilmer Gesendet: Montag, 9. März 2009 16:57 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Hi Listees! :) I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a semi-respectable number - albeit still quite small compared to some of the envious collections other list members have. So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and how many hammers do you have in your collection? Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers : Hammer falls - Allende Carancas Claxton Gao Guenie Holbrook Moss Murchison New Orleans Park Forest Peekskill Weston Other witnessed falls - Bassikounou Chergach Ensisheim Juvinas Norton County Shalka Sikhote Alin Tagish Lake Tamdakht Tatahouine Udei Station West Texas Zag Zagami This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed falls and hammers. I only collect recent falls that happened after I started collecting in late 2006. So, basically from Bassikounou forward is fair game. This is an arbitrary starting point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary line to base my fall collection on. I am missing quite a few recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc, Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment. As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them. Any meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it. The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more interested I am in acquiring it. Claxton is awesome. Imagine how small a mailbox is. Even when considering there are millions of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a meteorite hitting one? To me, that is interesting. Peekskill is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course, Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional circumstance. But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;) New Orleans? Very interesting. First, it struck a house, but it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying a desk. That makes it worth collecting. But even more interesting is the overlooked fact that New Orleans is the only visitor to New Orleans to visit the area and not come away drunk, drugged, tattooed or sans virginity. ;) Weston? Well, even if Thomas Jefferson had uttered the famous phrase he was misquoted for, the damn Yankee professors didn't lie. Anything that make a founding father look dense is worth collecting. I love Carancas - because it's a tease. I would love to have a fully-crusted, whole individual. But who wouldn't? It's like Tatahouine - you aren't getting any crust and you aren't getting a whole individual, no matter how much money you
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It seems to me that this marketing term hammer should only be applied Yes Jeff, you are absolutely correct. A distinction I made a post a few months ago. -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Jeff Grossman jgross...@usgs.gov To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. It seems to me that this marketing term hammer should only be applied to the actual stone(s) that hit a structure, not an entire shower. Thus, Moss stone #5 is a hammer since it went through a roof, but stone #2 is not since it only hit a tree and landed in some grass. jeff m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and interest (at least to me). Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA -Original Message- From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Ehm is Ourique a hammer too? It hit a man made dirt road. And Hosur made a hole in a road too. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael Gilmer Gesendet: Montag, 9. März 2009 16:57 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Hi Listees! :) I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a semi-respectable number - albeit still quite small compared to some of the envious collections other list members have. So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and how many hammers do you have in your collection? Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers : Hammer falls - Allende Carancas Claxton Gao Guenie Holbrook Moss Murchison New Orleans Park Forest Peekskill Weston Other witnessed falls - Bassikounou Chergach Ensisheim Juvinas Norton County Shalka Sikhote Alin Tagish Lake Tamdakht Tatahouine Udei Station West Texas Zag Zagami This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed falls and hammers. I only collect recent falls that happened after I started collecting in late 2006. So, basically from Bassikounou forward is fair game. This is an arbitrary starting point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary line to base my fall collection on. I am missing quite a few recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc, Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment. As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them. Any meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it. The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more interested I am in acquiring it. Claxton is awesome. Imagine how small a mailbox is. Even when considering there are millions of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a meteorite hitting one? To me, that is interesting. Peekskill is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course, Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional circumstance. But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;) New Orleans? Very interesting. First, it struck a house, but it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying a desk. That makes it worth collecting. But even more interesting is the overlooked fact that New Orleans is the only visitor to New Orleans to visit the area and not come away drunk, drugged, tattooed or sans virginity. ;) Weston? Well, even if Thomas Jefferson had uttered the famous phrase he was misquoted for, the damn Yankee professors didn't lie. Anything that make a founding father look dense is worth collecting. I love Carancas - because it's a tease. I would love to have a fully-crusted, whole individual. But who wouldn't? It's like Tatahouine - you aren't getting any crust and you aren't getting a whole individual, no matter how much money you offer. You can't buy what doesn't exist, so Carancas and Tatahouine are the two teases of the meteorite world. But we love to be teased, so these two falls will always be favorites of mine. Did anyone ever find out what the so-called noxious fumes were that supposedly emanated from the Carancas crater? Murchison? Smelled like rotten eggs, contains a bumper crop of amino acids, and is an interesting carbonaceous type. It also fell on my wife's 8th birthday. So, it's
[meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
Hi Listees! :) I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a semi-respectable number - albeit still quite small compared to some of the envious collections other list members have. So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and how many hammers do you have in your collection? Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers : Hammer falls - Allende Carancas Claxton Gao Guenie Holbrook Moss Murchison New Orleans Park Forest Peekskill Weston Other witnessed falls - Bassikounou Chergach Ensisheim Juvinas Norton County Shalka Sikhote Alin Tagish Lake Tamdakht Tatahouine Udei Station West Texas Zag Zagami This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed falls and hammers. I only collect recent falls that happened after I started collecting in late 2006. So, basically from Bassikounou forward is fair game. This is an arbitrary starting point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary line to base my fall collection on. I am missing quite a few recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc, Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment. As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them. Any meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it. The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more interested I am in acquiring it. Claxton is awesome. Imagine how small a mailbox is. Even when considering there are millions of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a meteorite hitting one? To me, that is interesting. Peekskill is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course, Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional circumstance. But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;) New Orleans? Very interesting. First, it struck a house, but it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying a desk. That makes it worth collecting. But even more interesting is the overlooked fact that New Orleans is the only visitor to New Orleans to visit the area and not come away drunk, drugged, tattooed or sans virginity. ;) Weston? Well, even if Thomas Jefferson had uttered the famous phrase he was misquoted for, the damn Yankee professors didn't lie. Anything that make a founding father look dense is worth collecting. I love Carancas - because it's a tease. I would love to have a fully-crusted, whole individual. But who wouldn't? It's like Tatahouine - you aren't getting any crust and you aren't getting a whole individual, no matter how much money you offer. You can't buy what doesn't exist, so Carancas and Tatahouine are the two teases of the meteorite world. But we love to be teased, so these two falls will always be favorites of mine. Did anyone ever find out what the so-called noxious fumes were that supposedly emanated from the Carancas crater? Murchison? Smelled like rotten eggs, contains a bumper crop of amino acids, and is an interesting carbonaceous type. It also fell on my wife's 8th birthday. So, it's a must have. We are fortunate that Murch happened before the Australians lost all good sense and got retarded about their meteorite laws. Allende! Who doesn't love Allende? If you don't love Allende, then you are a communist, a criminal, and you should be run out of town on a rail. Allende is Mexico's Murchison. And unlike Murchison, you don't have to mortgage your house to own a decent piece of Allende. Park Forest is also a favorite. It's not just a hammer, it's a multiple impactor. It's arguably one of the most prolific hammers. Park Forest beaned, struck, dented, and walloped a wide variety of targets. Well, that's some of my favorite hammers and falls. What are your's? Best regards and clear skies! MikeG PS - Everyone say hello to Mr. Michael Blood, who I know it reading this post! By putting hammers in the title, I have ensured Mr. Blood's attention and response. ;) LOL :) . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Ehm is Ourique a hammer too? It hit a man made dirt road. And Hosur made a hole in a road too. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael Gilmer Gesendet: Montag, 9. März 2009 16:57 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Hi Listees! :) I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a semi-respectable number - albeit still quite small compared to some of the envious collections other list members have. So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and how many hammers do you have in your collection? Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers : Hammer falls - Allende Carancas Claxton Gao Guenie Holbrook Moss Murchison New Orleans Park Forest Peekskill Weston Other witnessed falls - Bassikounou Chergach Ensisheim Juvinas Norton County Shalka Sikhote Alin Tagish Lake Tamdakht Tatahouine Udei Station West Texas Zag Zagami This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed falls and hammers. I only collect recent falls that happened after I started collecting in late 2006. So, basically from Bassikounou forward is fair game. This is an arbitrary starting point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary line to base my fall collection on. I am missing quite a few recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc, Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment. As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them. Any meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it. The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more interested I am in acquiring it. Claxton is awesome. Imagine how small a mailbox is. Even when considering there are millions of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a meteorite hitting one? To me, that is interesting. Peekskill is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course, Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional circumstance. But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;) New Orleans? Very interesting. First, it struck a house, but it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying a desk. That makes it worth collecting. But even more interesting is the overlooked fact that New Orleans is the only visitor to New Orleans to visit the area and not come away drunk, drugged, tattooed or sans virginity. ;) Weston? Well, even if Thomas Jefferson had uttered the famous phrase he was misquoted for, the damn Yankee professors didn't lie. Anything that make a founding father look dense is worth collecting. I love Carancas - because it's a tease. I would love to have a fully-crusted, whole individual. But who wouldn't? It's like Tatahouine - you aren't getting any crust and you aren't getting a whole individual, no matter how much money you offer. You can't buy what doesn't exist, so Carancas and Tatahouine are the two teases of the meteorite world. But we love to be teased, so these two falls will always be favorites of mine. Did anyone ever find out what the so-called noxious fumes were that supposedly emanated from the Carancas crater? Murchison? Smelled like rotten eggs, contains a bumper crop of amino acids, and is an interesting carbonaceous type. It also fell on my wife's 8th birthday. So, it's a must have. We are fortunate that Murch happened before the Australians lost all good sense and got retarded about their meteorite laws. Allende! Who doesn't love Allende? If you don't love Allende, then you are a communist, a criminal, and you should be run out of town on a rail. Allende is Mexico's Murchison. And unlike Murchison, you don't have to mortgage your house to own a decent piece of Allende. Park Forest is also a favorite. It's not just a hammer, it's a multiple impactor. It's arguably one of the most prolific hammers. Park Forest beaned, struck, dented, and walloped a wide variety of targets. Well, that's some of my favorite hammers and falls. What are your's? Best regards and clear skies! MikeG PS - Everyone say hello to Mr. Michael Blood, who I know it reading this post! By putting hammers in the title, I have ensured Mr. Blood's attention and response. ;) LOL :) . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com
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I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and interest (at least to me). Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA -Original Message- From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Ehm is Ourique a hammer too? It hit a man made dirt road. And Hosur made a hole in a road too. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael Gilmer Gesendet: Montag, 9. März 2009 16:57 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Hi Listees! :) I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a semi-respectable number - albeit still quite small compared to some of the envious collections other list members have. So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and how many hammers do you have in your collection? Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers : Hammer falls - Allende Carancas Claxton Gao Guenie Holbrook Moss Murchison New Orleans Park Forest Peekskill Weston Other witnessed falls - Bassikounou Chergach Ensisheim Juvinas Norton County Shalka Sikhote Alin Tagish Lake Tamdakht Tatahouine Udei Station West Texas Zag Zagami This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed falls and hammers. I only collect recent falls that happened after I started collecting in late 2006. So, basically from Bassikounou forward is fair game. This is an arbitrary starting point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary line to base my fall collection on. I am missing quite a few recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc, Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment. As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them. Any meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it. The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more interested I am in acquiring it. Claxton is awesome. Imagine how small a mailbox is. Even when considering there are millions of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a meteorite hitting one? To me, that is interesting. Peekskill is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course, Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional circumstance. But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;) New Orleans? Very interesting. First, it struck a house, but it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying a desk. That makes it worth collecting. But even more interesting is the overlooked fact that New Orleans is the only visitor to New Orleans to visit the area and not come away drunk, drugged, tattooed or sans virginity. ;) Weston? Well, even if Thomas Jefferson had uttered the famous phrase he was misquoted for, the damn Yankee professors didn't lie. Anything that make a founding father look dense is worth collecting. I love Carancas - because it's a tease. I would love to have a fully-crusted, whole individual. But who wouldn't? It's like Tatahouine - you aren't getting any crust and you aren't getting a whole individual, no matter how much money you offer. You can't buy what doesn't exist, so Carancas and Tatahouine are the two teases of the meteorite world. But we love to be teased, so these two falls will always be favorites of mine. Did anyone ever find out what the so-called noxious fumes were that supposedly emanated from the Carancas crater? Murchison? Smelled like rotten eggs, contains a bumper crop of amino acids, and is an interesting carbonaceous type. It also fell on my wife's 8th birthday. So, it's a must have. We are fortunate that Murch happened before the Australians lost all good sense and got retarded about their meteorite laws. Allende! Who doesn't love Allende? If you don't love Allende, then you are a communist, a criminal, and you should be run out of town on a rail. Allende is Mexico's Murchison. And unlike Murchison, you don't have to mortgage your house to own a decent piece of Allende. Park Forest is also a favorite. It's not just a hammer, it's a multiple impactor. It's arguably one of the most prolific hammers. Park Forest beaned, struck, dented, and walloped a wide variety of targets. Well, that's some of my favorite hammers and falls. What are your's? Best regards and clear skies
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It seems to me that this marketing term hammer should only be applied to the actual stone(s) that hit a structure, not an entire shower. Thus, Moss stone #5 is a hammer since it went through a roof, but stone #2 is not since it only hit a tree and landed in some grass. jeff m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and interest (at least to me). Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA -Original Message- From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Ehm is Ourique a hammer too? It hit a man made dirt road. And Hosur made a hole in a road too. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael Gilmer Gesendet: Montag, 9. März 2009 16:57 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Hi Listees! :) I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a semi-respectable number - albeit still quite small compared to some of the envious collections other list members have. So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and how many hammers do you have in your collection? Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers : Hammer falls - Allende Carancas Claxton Gao Guenie Holbrook Moss Murchison New Orleans Park Forest Peekskill Weston Other witnessed falls - Bassikounou Chergach Ensisheim Juvinas Norton County Shalka Sikhote Alin Tagish Lake Tamdakht Tatahouine Udei Station West Texas Zag Zagami This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed falls and hammers. I only collect recent falls that happened after I started collecting in late 2006. So, basically from Bassikounou forward is fair game. This is an arbitrary starting point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary line to base my fall collection on. I am missing quite a few recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc, Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment. As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them. Any meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it. The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more interested I am in acquiring it. Claxton is awesome. Imagine how small a mailbox is. Even when considering there are millions of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a meteorite hitting one? To me, that is interesting. Peekskill is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course, Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional circumstance. But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;) New Orleans? Very interesting. First, it struck a house, but it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying a desk. That makes it worth collecting. But even more interesting is the overlooked fact that New Orleans is the only visitor to New Orleans to visit the area and not come away drunk, drugged, tattooed or sans virginity. ;) Weston? Well, even if Thomas Jefferson had uttered the famous phrase he was misquoted for, the damn Yankee professors didn't lie. Anything that make a founding father look dense is worth collecting. I love Carancas - because it's a tease. I would love to have a fully-crusted, whole individual. But who wouldn't? It's like Tatahouine - you aren't getting any crust and you aren't getting a whole individual, no matter how much money you offer. You can't buy what doesn't exist, so Carancas and Tatahouine are the two teases of the meteorite world. But we love to be teased, so these two falls will always be favorites of mine. Did anyone ever find out what the so-called noxious fumes were that supposedly emanated from the Carancas crater? Murchison? Smelled like rotten eggs, contains a bumper crop of amino acids, and is an interesting carbonaceous type. It also fell on my wife's 8th birthday. So, it's a must have. We are fortunate that Murch happened before the Australians lost all good sense and got retarded about their meteorite laws. Allende! Who doesn't love Allende? If you don't love Allende, then you are a communist, a criminal, and you should be run out of town on a rail. Allende is Mexico's Murchison. And unlike Murchison, you don't have to mortgage your house to own a decent piece
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Hi Martin and all, In my upcoming book, I will be addressing this issue At length. However, the condensed version is: A man Made artifact, animal or human leaves itself open when It comes to streets - and even more controversial, dirt Roads. It is a personal line one has to draw for one's self, And not always an easy one. I struggled with a meteorite That struck a cultivated fruit tree and if a meteorite Were to cause a significant pit in an ancient, rock Roman Road, would THAT make it a hammer? There really isn't a definitive answer to such questions. They are, rather, matters of opinion. Michael Gilmer recently asked how many hammers Other collectors have I believe my collection is currently Only about 64. However, even when comparing hammer Collections there is a big variation in coparisons. If someone Has 75 hammers, but they are all tiny, thumbnails and Most of mine are rather large macromounts, which collection Is the largest? Then, I know a good number of people who Have REALLY nice sized hammers of full slices or whole stones several hundreds of grams each, whereas mine might average Closer to 5 grams each - mostly part slices. (Like so many Of us, my collection is influenced strongly by what I can afford). I do have a full slice of Kunashack and a fist sized hammer Stone that was part of the original report found on a roof in Thuathe, but they have to go if someone offers to buy them because my income Does not support a huge collection of $2,500 to $5,000 each per specimen (and I would certainly like to end up with a HUGE hammer collection. I would like to have a specimen Of every known hammer fall - actual hammer stones, each, but Such is, for all practical purposes, impossible...) Then, again, some specimens cannot be Had in larger sizes regardless of financiers, such as St. Louis, Wethersfield '71 - and my Sylacauga would have to be Considered huge even though it is an ultra thin quarter sized Part slice - because it just cannot be had larger. So, what is a hammer? Again, that is a question everyone Will answer for themselves. Best wishes, Michael From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33 +0100 To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Ehm is Ourique a hammer too? It hit a man made dirt road. And Hosur made a hole in a road too. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael Gilmer Gesendet: Montag, 9. März 2009 16:57 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Hi Listees! :) I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a semi-respectable number - albeit still quite small compared to some of the envious collections other list members have. So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and how many hammers do you have in your collection? Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers : Hammer falls - Allende Carancas Claxton Gao Guenie Holbrook Moss Murchison New Orleans Park Forest Peekskill Weston Other witnessed falls - Bassikounou Chergach Ensisheim Juvinas Norton County Shalka Sikhote Alin Tagish Lake Tamdakht Tatahouine Udei Station West Texas Zag Zagami This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed falls and hammers. I only collect recent falls that happened after I started collecting in late 2006. So, basically from Bassikounou forward is fair game. This is an arbitrary starting point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary line to base my fall collection on. I am missing quite a few recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc, Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment. As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them. Any meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it. The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more interested I am in acquiring it. Claxton is awesome. Imagine how small a mailbox is. Even when considering there are millions of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a meteorite hitting one? To me, that is interesting. Peekskill is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course, Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional circumstance. But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;) New Orleans? Very interesting. First, it struck a house, but it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying
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Hello Listers Personally, I would love the Sikhote-Alin one which struck a Cedar tree... It would combine 2 passions: trees and the new one, meteorites. Just dreaming :) (if even available, it must be so much $$$...) Good evening everyone Michael B PS: thanks for your website Michael Blood, I learned a lot thru it cf Historic meteorites etc... - Original Message - From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net To: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Hi Martin and all, In my upcoming book, I will be addressing this issue At length. However, the condensed version is: A man Made artifact, animal or human leaves itself open when It comes to streets - and even more controversial, dirt Roads. It is a personal line one has to draw for one's self, And not always an easy one. I struggled with a meteorite That struck a cultivated fruit tree and if a meteorite Were to cause a significant pit in an ancient, rock Roman Road, would THAT make it a hammer? There really isn't a definitive answer to such questions. They are, rather, matters of opinion. Michael Gilmer recently asked how many hammers Other collectors have I believe my collection is currently Only about 64. However, even when comparing hammer Collections there is a big variation in coparisons. If someone Has 75 hammers, but they are all tiny, thumbnails and Most of mine are rather large macromounts, which collection Is the largest? Then, I know a good number of people who Have REALLY nice sized hammers of full slices or whole stones several hundreds of grams each, whereas mine might average Closer to 5 grams each - mostly part slices. (Like so many Of us, my collection is influenced strongly by what I can afford). I do have a full slice of Kunashack and a fist sized hammer Stone that was part of the original report found on a roof in Thuathe, but they have to go if someone offers to buy them because my income Does not support a huge collection of $2,500 to $5,000 each per specimen (and I would certainly like to end up with a HUGE hammer collection. I would like to have a specimen Of every known hammer fall - actual hammer stones, each, but Such is, for all practical purposes, impossible...) Then, again, some specimens cannot be Had in larger sizes regardless of financiers, such as St. Louis, Wethersfield '71 - and my Sylacauga would have to be Considered huge even though it is an ultra thin quarter sized Part slice - because it just cannot be had larger. So, what is a hammer? Again, that is a question everyone Will answer for themselves. Best wishes, Michael __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Michael, Check out Jeff's website here...excellent. The Sikhote video should be right up your street. Set aside 18 minutes and go back in time. I like to think that I might have the piece of shrapnel that went straight through the huge tree that one guy illustrates by by poking a stick right throughwho knows. ;-) Graham Ensor, UK. Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net wrote: Hello Listers Personally, I would love the Sikhote-Alin one which struck a Cedar tree... It would combine 2 passions: trees and the new one, meteorites. Just dreaming :) (if even available, it must be so much $$$...) Good evening everyone Michael B PS: thanks for your website Michael Blood, I learned a lot thru it cf Historic meteorites etc... - Original Message - From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net To: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Hi Martin and all, In my upcoming book, I will be addressing this issue At length. However, the condensed version is: A man Made artifact, animal or human leaves itself open when It comes to streets - and even more controversial, dirt Roads. It is a personal line one has to draw for one's self, And not always an easy one. I struggled with a meteorite That struck a cultivated fruit tree and if a meteorite Were to cause a significant pit in an ancient, rock Roman Road, would THAT make it a hammer? There really isn't a definitive answer to such questions. They are, rather, matters of opinion. Michael Gilmer recently asked how many hammers Other collectors have I believe my collection is currently Only about 64. However, even when comparing hammer Collections there is a big variation in coparisons. If someone Has 75 hammers, but they are all tiny, thumbnails and Most of mine are rather large macromounts, which collection Is the largest? Then, I know a good number of people who Have REALLY nice sized hammers of full slices or whole stones several hundreds of grams each, whereas mine might average Closer to 5 grams each - mostly part slices. (Like so many Of us, my collection is influenced strongly by what I can afford). I do have a full slice of Kunashack and a fist sized hammer Stone that was part of the original report found on a roof in Thuathe, but they have to go if someone offers to buy them because my income Does not support a huge collection of $2,500 to $5,000 each per specimen (and I would certainly like to end up with a HUGE hammer collection. I would like to have a specimen Of every known hammer fall - actual hammer stones, each, but Such is, for all practical purposes, impossible...) Then, again, some specimens cannot be Had in larger sizes regardless of financiers, such as St. Louis, Wethersfield '71 - and my Sylacauga would have to be Considered huge even though it is an ultra thin quarter sized Part slice - because it just cannot be had larger. So, what is a hammer? Again, that is a question everyone Will answer for themselves. Best wishes, Michael __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Sorry forgot the link first time... http://www.meteorites.com.au/oddsends/sikhote-alin.html ensorama...@ntlworld.com wrote: Hi Michael, Check out Jeff's website here...excellent. The Sikhote video should be right up your street. Set aside 18 minutes and go back in time. I like to think that I might have the piece of shrapnel that went straight through the huge tree that one guy illustrates by by poking a stick right throughwho knows. ;-) Graham Ensor, UK. Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net wrote: Hello Listers Personally, I would love the Sikhote-Alin one which struck a Cedar tree... It would combine 2 passions: trees and the new one, meteorites. Just dreaming :) (if even available, it must be so much $$$...) Good evening everyone Michael B PS: thanks for your website Michael Blood, I learned a lot thru it cf Historic meteorites etc... - Original Message - From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net To: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Hi Martin and all, In my upcoming book, I will be addressing this issue At length. However, the condensed version is: A man Made artifact, animal or human leaves itself open when It comes to streets - and even more controversial, dirt Roads. It is a personal line one has to draw for one's self, And not always an easy one. I struggled with a meteorite That struck a cultivated fruit tree and if a meteorite Were to cause a significant pit in an ancient, rock Roman Road, would THAT make it a hammer? There really isn't a definitive answer to such questions. They are, rather, matters of opinion. Michael Gilmer recently asked how many hammers Other collectors have I believe my collection is currently Only about 64. However, even when comparing hammer Collections there is a big variation in coparisons. If someone Has 75 hammers, but they are all tiny, thumbnails and Most of mine are rather large macromounts, which collection Is the largest? Then, I know a good number of people who Have REALLY nice sized hammers of full slices or whole stones several hundreds of grams each, whereas mine might average Closer to 5 grams each - mostly part slices. (Like so many Of us, my collection is influenced strongly by what I can afford). I do have a full slice of Kunashack and a fist sized hammer Stone that was part of the original report found on a roof in Thuathe, but they have to go if someone offers to buy them because my income Does not support a huge collection of $2,500 to $5,000 each per specimen (and I would certainly like to end up with a HUGE hammer collection. I would like to have a specimen Of every known hammer fall - actual hammer stones, each, but Such is, for all practical purposes, impossible...) Then, again, some specimens cannot be Had in larger sizes regardless of financiers, such as St. Louis, Wethersfield '71 - and my Sylacauga would have to be Considered huge even though it is an ultra thin quarter sized Part slice - because it just cannot be had larger. So, what is a hammer? Again, that is a question everyone Will answer for themselves. Best wishes, Michael __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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All, Agreed, Jeff. Michael's definition, though no question well considered, leaves a lot of gray area to the unknowing buyer. To call a specimen that actually hit a qualifier a hammer stone makes perfect sense. But to call all of the other specimens from that fall hammers (see, I believe, #2 in his list of criteria) is misleading at best (I'm not suggestion this is intentional, mind you). I recently pushed out the suggestion that these other such individuals be labeled as part of a hammer fall recently, only to learn that Matt (at least I think it was Matt) had already done so perhaps years ago. Another opportunity for IMCA -- along with the orientation system that was discussed many months ago but must be currently residing in the abyss -- to pursue... All best, Dave www.fallingrocks.com -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Grossman Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 1:01 PM To: Meteorite-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. It seems to me that this marketing term hammer should only be applied to the actual stone(s) that hit a structure, not an entire shower. Thus, Moss stone #5 is a hammer since it went through a roof, but stone #2 is not since it only hit a tree and landed in some grass. jeff m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and interest (at least to me). Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA -Original Message- From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Ehm is Ourique a hammer too? It hit a man made dirt road. And Hosur made a hole in a road too. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael Gilmer Gesendet: Montag, 9. März 2009 16:57 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Hi Listees! :) I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a semi-respectable number - albeit still quite small compared to some of the envious collections other list members have. So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and how many hammers do you have in your collection? Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers : Hammer falls - Allende Carancas Claxton Gao Guenie Holbrook Moss Murchison New Orleans Park Forest Peekskill Weston Other witnessed falls - Bassikounou Chergach Ensisheim Juvinas Norton County Shalka Sikhote Alin Tagish Lake Tamdakht Tatahouine Udei Station West Texas Zag Zagami This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed falls and hammers. I only collect recent falls that happened after I started collecting in late 2006. So, basically from Bassikounou forward is fair game. This is an arbitrary starting point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary line to base my fall collection on. I am missing quite a few recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc, Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment. As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them. Any meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it. The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more interested I am in acquiring it. Claxton is awesome. Imagine how small a mailbox is. Even when considering there are millions of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a meteorite hitting one? To me, that is interesting. Peekskill is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course, Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional circumstance. But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;) New Orleans? Very interesting. First, it struck a house, but it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying a desk. That makes it worth collecting. But even more interesting is the overlooked fact that New Orleans is the only visitor to New Orleans to visit the area and not come away drunk, drugged, tattooed or sans virginity. ;) Weston? Well, even if Thomas Jefferson had uttered the famous phrase he was misquoted for, the damn Yankee professors didn't lie. Anything
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Hi Graham and list Sorry ! I was sending the link to the video at almost the same time you send it too ! Nice, great coincidence :) I have a photo from the meteorite in the trunk, but didn't keep the website source to it. (what a fool) Quite impressive (but can't send it to the list, no attachment unfortunately) If you don't have it I can send it to you off list. Let me know (but I am sure you have it !) If you know anybody selling a part of it, I am interested Good evening Michael - Original Message - From: ensorama...@ntlworld.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:49 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Hi Michael, Check out Jeff's website here...excellent. The Sikhote video should be right up your street. Set aside 18 minutes and go back in time. I like to think that I might have the piece of shrapnel that went straight through the huge tree that one guy illustrates by by poking a stick right throughwho knows. ;-) Graham Ensor, UK. Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net wrote: Hello Listers Personally, I would love the Sikhote-Alin one which struck a Cedar tree... It would combine 2 passions: trees and the new one, meteorites. Just dreaming :) (if even available, it must be so much $$$...) Good evening everyone Michael B PS: thanks for your website Michael Blood, I learned a lot thru it cf Historic meteorites etc... - Original Message - From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net To: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Hi Martin and all, In my upcoming book, I will be addressing this issue At length. However, the condensed version is: A man Made artifact, animal or human leaves itself open when It comes to streets - and even more controversial, dirt Roads. It is a personal line one has to draw for one's self, And not always an easy one. I struggled with a meteorite That struck a cultivated fruit tree and if a meteorite Were to cause a significant pit in an ancient, rock Roman Road, would THAT make it a hammer? There really isn't a definitive answer to such questions. They are, rather, matters of opinion. Michael Gilmer recently asked how many hammers Other collectors have I believe my collection is currently Only about 64. However, even when comparing hammer Collections there is a big variation in coparisons. If someone Has 75 hammers, but they are all tiny, thumbnails and Most of mine are rather large macromounts, which collection Is the largest? Then, I know a good number of people who Have REALLY nice sized hammers of full slices or whole stones several hundreds of grams each, whereas mine might average Closer to 5 grams each - mostly part slices. (Like so many Of us, my collection is influenced strongly by what I can afford). I do have a full slice of Kunashack and a fist sized hammer Stone that was part of the original report found on a roof in Thuathe, but they have to go if someone offers to buy them because my income Does not support a huge collection of $2,500 to $5,000 each per specimen (and I would certainly like to end up with a HUGE hammer collection. I would like to have a specimen Of every known hammer fall - actual hammer stones, each, but Such is, for all practical purposes, impossible...) Then, again, some specimens cannot be Had in larger sizes regardless of financiers, such as St. Louis, Wethersfield '71 - and my Sylacauga would have to be Considered huge even though it is an ultra thin quarter sized Part slice - because it just cannot be had larger. So, what is a hammer? Again, that is a question everyone Will answer for themselves. Best wishes, Michael __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
