Re: [meteorite-list] another new argentina fall??
I wrote: "So far there are two institutions who want to analyze the meteorite. I think they are: * Centro Austral de Investigaciones Científicas, CONICET, Argentina * Another University group in Spain " Just to confirm, that is the correct Argentine group, and the Spanish hoping to convince the Astronomical Association to send samples for analysis is: Instituto de Ciencias del Espacio (CSIC), Barcelona, Spain I mentioned that a "famous" Uruguayan astronomer ad Solar System dynamicist, Gonzalo Tancredi, [in quotes because he is conqueror of the King of the underworld himself, Pluto - no disrespect intended, but I am ignorant of his positive contributions to real science, which I would need to know to remove the quotes], now wants to go on an expedition and probably wants material for scientific purposes. He pasionately led the successful charge withn the IAU to kick Pluto out of the Planet Club. I should have added that some of his motivation is because he is working on some "theory" that this new April 6 fall is part of a recurring meteorite shower, and he references a 1959 Czech fall (Obviously the H5 Pribram, 7 April 1959 for which an orbit was determined) and a -18 magnitude 2002 Bavarian-Austrian bolide from 6 April 2002 (Type Classified as H5 at the time, though no specimens had been recovered, by some astronomers based on a similarity of the bolide to Pribram, with the argument that the orbit was determined precisely also and was so similar to Pribram)...but then: Whether you want to take this seriously or think statistics (remember the Birthday Problem?) would argue otherwise, this is actually the theory of Halliday, et. al. and others who have investigated the idea, for example: NEUSCHWANSTEIN AND PRIBRAM: SOLITAIRE METEORITES OR MEMBERS OF A STREAM? Geophysical Research Abstracts, Vol. 5, 11512, 2003 (where D. Heinlein was the third author) [the conclusion of the latter was that Neuschwanstein, the Bavarian (German) meteorite had a sufficiently indistinguishable orbit so that it could be considered the same a member of the same meteoroid stream. Sadly for proponents, Neuschwanstein was classified as an EL6 in the Meteoritical Bulletin, after being recovered finally, so luckily the idea to bolide it as an H5, too ;), lost the earth under it. The idea that there is an April 6-7 meteoroid stream, though, is apparently alive and kicking.] Also: * the Berduc meteorite looks like a relatively friable chondrite with a gray matrix. * the Berduc meteorite witnesses thought it was coming from the Southwest (~225 degrees Azimuth) and heading towards the Northeast (~45 degrees azimuth)with Berduc being nearly the furthest NE along this line. * Other astronomers mention that Tancredi called Neuschwanstein Austrian. While we might frown upon this, in his defense, the view was quite impressive from Austria where observations were taken, as it turns out, just like Berduc from Uruguay... Best wishes and great Health, Doug -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 3:53 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] another new argentina fall?? Hi Sonny, Not that much more news other than I already posted unless this is of help. It is a very large fall though only small fragments are being reported: * These are the approximate coordinates of the 700 gram piece reported by the Agricultural Engineer Gabriela from the Nursury. Sorry if they are off by a couple of meters: 31 Degrees 54'38.68" South 58 Degrees 19'50.76" West * It is clear that hundreds (more like many thousands) of pieces fell in the surrounding population of Berduc in the Entre Rios municipality. Several in Berduc (hundreds of meters from the Nursury where the "largest" piece was found) complained of their roofs being pelted with a hail of tiny black rocks. * One residence in Berduc spoke about their experience (her name was withheld by the report), I'll paraphrase the woman who had about 25 grams of fragments with fusion crust, for you: "We felt an illumination and it surprised us, but, we didn't pay that much attention, it might have been a car to it and kept watching television. But the thing is, a little while later, we felt the piece [hit]. I would say um, one... right away...I'd say about five minutes just after the illumination; we looked out the windows and we didn't see any clouds, no lights, no vehicles, nothing. Like who would throw rocks? We went outside and turned on the outside light. Well, we didn't want to go outside, we stayed inside, one always avoids doing that at night. We thought was was that? but we stayed inside well, kept watching television and we were there along while. Then we left it like that, we didn't hear anything else, we did nothing but we were
Re: [meteorite-list] another new argentina fall??
Let's hope they have the funds to both pay the people to do the proper field work and the funds to pay the lucky finders a fair reward in recovering specimens. It is easy for a government to say "We get to keep everything" but it is another for them to follow through and spend the hundreds of man hours to do an adequate field recovery operation. Of course the government of Argentina has done little to recover and preserve the Campos that are still in the ground. Here is their chance to do a "witnessed fall" correctly. Apparently this is what they wished for last fall when they passed the new law, and now their wish has come true. Steve Arnold In a message dated 4/18/2008 2:54:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Sonny, Not that much more news other than I already posted unless this is of help. It is a very large fall though only small fragments are being reported: * These are the approximate coordinates of the 700 gram piece reported by the Agricultural Engineer Gabriela from the Nursury. Sorry if they are off by a couple of meters: 31 Degrees 54'38.68" South 58 Degrees 19'50.76" West * It is clear that hundreds (more like many thousands) of pieces fell in the surrounding population of Berduc in the Entre Rios municipality. Several in Berduc (hundreds of meters from the Nursury where the "largest" piece was found) complained of their roofs being pelted with a hail of tiny black rocks. * One residence in Berduc spoke about their experience (her name was withheld by the report), I'll paraphrase the woman who had about 25 grams of fragments with fusion crust, for you: "We felt an illumination and it surprised us, but, we didn't pay that much attention, it might have been a car to it and kept watching television. But the thing is, a little while later, we felt the piece [hit]. I would say um, one... right away...I'd say about five minutes just after the illumination; we looked out the windows and we didn't see any clouds, no lights, no vehicles, nothing. Like who would throw rocks? We went outside and turned on the outside light. Well, we didn't want to go outside, we stayed inside, one always avoids doing that at night. We thought was was that? but we stayed inside well, kept watching television and we were there along while. Then we left it like that, we didn't hear anything else, we did nothing but we were left with that thought- what could that have been? Well today in the morning right when we got up, the first thing we did was go see was that was that rock, the dog was on his leash, and we said, what?, the dog we took to look, then I told my grandson, so go up on the roof, something happened on the roof last night, maybe a rock, and thats how it went, he climbed up on the roof, and he found these, little pieces of this. Later, he began to look like he's looking now to see if there were more pieces that were bigger, since for us it was a larger piece that (shook?) the window. This [rock with the burnt rind] is something new for us. We're going to keep looking. It was about 10:00PM, I don't know the exact time, maybe five minutes to ten [at night 6 April 2008]. * The Astronomical Association of Entre Rios started the search within two hours after the fall led by 29-year old Mario Peter Coordinato of the Astronomical Association who did an first rate and outstanding job with three co-members, without sleeping or even eating, interviewing, etc., tracking down the fall in the first hours through the night aftwer the bolide report at 10:03PM. He did such a good job at documentation!! * The Astronomical Association led by president Luis Trumper in an excellent documentary gave a long, interesting and entertaining presentation on the importance of meteorites in the study of the Solar System. The documentary was of equal or better (!) quality than any I have seen anywhere in the world. He should be heartily congratulated. He said says after the initial two day search, that they don't have resources to spearhead the search for more, but of course they'll be back to look for more. He affirmed that the job is now in the hands of the National Guard/Border Poilce force and other official government police organizations. * The fall is very close to the border [12 kilometers from the above coordinates, to be exact] and was observed in Uruguay, also. Gonzalo Tancredi, the IAU member from the University of the Republic of Uruguay who led the dumping of Pluto's Planetary by arguing it had been wrongly classified for the past 75 years, intends to go on a expedition to look for some pieces, too. * The event created quite a spectacle in the media including a news helicopter, but strangely not many more pieces than the original 5 are being reported (though it is obvious many are in the hands of the locals). It has been a great event or
Re: [meteorite-list] another new argentina fall??
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[meteorite-list] another new argentina fall??
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Re: [meteorite-list] another new argentina fall??
Steve, where were you last week, when about 20 emails about it were posted? It is Entre Rios province, where La Criolla fell 20 yuears ago. Michael Farmer --- steve arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi list.I talked to BOB HAAG on monday and he told > me > there was a second fall last week.I hear it is a > stone > meteorite fall.Anymore news on this?We heard about > the > 1st fall from 2 months ago.So anymore news on this > 2nd > fall will be nice to know. > > Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! >The Asteroid Belt! > http://chicagometeorites.net/ > Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999 > Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] another new argentina fall??
Hi list.I talked to BOB HAAG on monday and he told me there was a second fall last week.I hear it is a stone meteorite fall.Anymore news on this?We heard about the 1st fall from 2 months ago.So anymore news on this 2nd fall will be nice to know. Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! The Asteroid Belt! http://chicagometeorites.net/ Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999 Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
