[meteorite-list] ebay restriction on international auctions of meteorites? and faster than the speed of light neutrinos!
Meg is taking over as head honcho of Hewlett-Packard. I just was notified by eBay today that as of October 1st no more mention of emails will be allowed. They don't want any off eBay transactions taking place. Also, this is pretty cool: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/sep/22/faster-than-light-particles-neutrinos?newsfeed=true Faster than light particles found, claim scientists Particle physicists detect neutrinos travelling faster than light, a feat forbidden by Einstein's theory of special relativity a.. a.. b.. c.. reddit this b.. Comments (80) a.. Ian Sample, science correspondent b.. guardian.co.uk, Thursday 22 September 2011 18.32 EDT c.. Article history Neutrinos, like the ones above, have been detected travelling faster than light, say particle physicists. Photograph: Dan Mccoy /Corbis It is a concept that forms a cornerstone of our understanding of the universe and the concept of time - nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. But now it seems that researchers working in one of the world's largest physics laboratories, under a mountain in central Italy, have recorded particles travelling at a speed that is supposedly forbidden by Einstein's theory of special relativity. Scientists at the Gran Sasso facility will unveil evidence on Friday that raises the troubling possibility of a way to send information back in time, blurring the line between past and present and wreaking havoc with the fundamental principle of cause and effect. They will announce the result at a special seminar at Cern - the European particle physics laboratory - timed to coincide with the publication of a research paper describing the experiment. Researchers on the Opera (Oscillation Project with Emulsion-tRacking Apparatus) experiment recorded the arrival times of ghostly subatomic particles called neutrinos sent from Cern on a 730km journey through the Earth to the Gran Sasso lab. The trip would take a beam of light 2.4 milliseconds to complete, but after running the experiment for three years and timing the arrival of 15,000 neutrinos, the scientists discovered that the particles arrived at Gran Sasso sixty billionths of a second earlier, with an error margin of plus or minus 10 billionths of a second. The measurement amounts to the neutrinos travelling faster than the speed of light by a fraction of 20 parts per million. Since the speed of light is 299,792,458 metres per second, the neutrinos were evidently travelling at 299,798,454 metres per second. The result is so unlikely that even the research team is being cautious with its interpretation. Physicists said they would be sceptical of the finding until other laboratories confirmed the result. Antonio Ereditato, coordinator of the Opera collaboration, told the Guardian: We are very much astonished by this result, but a result is never a discovery until other people confirm it. When you get such a result you want to make sure you made no mistakes, that there are no nasty things going on you didn't think of. We spent months and months doing checks and we have not been able to find any errors. If there is a problem, it must be a tough, nasty effect, because trivial things we are clever enough to rule out. The Opera group said it hoped the physics community would scrutinise the result and help uncover any flaws in the measurement, or verify it with their own experiments. Subir Sarkar, head of particle theory at Oxford University, said: If this is proved to be true it would be a massive, massive event. It is something nobody was expecting. The constancy of the speed of light essentially underpins our understanding of space and time and causality, which is the fact that cause comes before effect. Cause cannot come after effect and that is absolutely fundamental to our construction of the physical universe. If we do not have causality, we are buggered. The Opera experiment detects neutrinos as they strike 150,000 bricks of photographic emulsion films interleaved with lead plates. The detector weighs a total of 1300 tonnes. Despite the marginal increase on the speed of light observed by Ereditato's team, the result is intriguing because its statistical significance, the measure by which particle physics discoveries stand and fall, is so strong. Physicists can claim a discovery if the chances of their result being a fluke of statistics are greater than five standard deviations, or less than one in a few million. The Gran Sasso team's result is six standard deviations. Ereditato said the team would not claim a discovery because the result was so radical. Whenever you touch something so fundamental, you have to be much more prudent, he said. Alan Kostelecky, an expert in the possibility of faster-than-light processes at Indiana University, said that while physicists would await confirmation of the result, it was none the less exciting. It's such a dramatic
Re: [meteorite-list] ebay restriction on international auctions of meteorites? and faster than the speed of light neutrinos!
Ok, Folks, If there is anything to this story, then everything we ever knew about Physics will now go out the window. You gotta love it Cutting edge!! I love a good physics problem. Right up my alley. I'm a BSEE so this will directly impact electricity and electronics. I wonder how much effect this will impact meteorite age determiniation and travel time from creation till they landed here on good ol earth. If a particle can travel faster than light, what happens to a group of particles? And these are just the first two questions!! Pete IMCA 1733 Original Message Subject: [meteorite-list] ebay restriction on international auctions of meteorites? and faster than the speed of light neutrinos! From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com Date: Thu, September 22, 2011 7:29 pm To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Meg is taking over as head honcho of Hewlett-Packard. I just was notified by eBay today that as of October 1st no more mention of emails will be allowed. They don't want any off eBay transactions taking place. Also, this is pretty cool: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/sep/22/faster-than-light-particles-neutrinos?newsfeed=true Faster than light particles found, claim scientists Particle physicists detect neutrinos travelling faster than light, a feat forbidden by Einstein's theory of special relativity a.. a.. b.. c.. reddit this b.. Comments (80) a.. Ian Sample, science correspondent b.. guardian.co.uk, Thursday 22 September 2011 18.32 EDT c.. Article history Neutrinos, like the ones above, have been detected travelling faster than light, say particle physicists. Photograph: Dan Mccoy /Corbis It is a concept that forms a cornerstone of our understanding of the universe and the concept of time - nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. But now it seems that researchers working in one of the world's largest physics laboratories, under a mountain in central Italy, have recorded particles travelling at a speed that is supposedly forbidden by Einstein's theory of special relativity. Scientists at the Gran Sasso facility will unveil evidence on Friday that raises the troubling possibility of a way to send information back in time, blurring the line between past and present and wreaking havoc with the fundamental principle of cause and effect. They will announce the result at a special seminar at Cern - the European particle physics laboratory - timed to coincide with the publication of a research paper describing the experiment. Researchers on the Opera (Oscillation Project with Emulsion-tRacking Apparatus) experiment recorded the arrival times of ghostly subatomic particles called neutrinos sent from Cern on a 730km journey through the Earth to the Gran Sasso lab. The trip would take a beam of light 2.4 milliseconds to complete, but after running the experiment for three years and timing the arrival of 15,000 neutrinos, the scientists discovered that the particles arrived at Gran Sasso sixty billionths of a second earlier, with an error margin of plus or minus 10 billionths of a second. The measurement amounts to the neutrinos travelling faster than the speed of light by a fraction of 20 parts per million. Since the speed of light is 299,792,458 metres per second, the neutrinos were evidently travelling at 299,798,454 metres per second. The result is so unlikely that even the research team is being cautious with its interpretation. Physicists said they would be sceptical of the finding until other laboratories confirmed the result. Antonio Ereditato, coordinator of the Opera collaboration, told the Guardian: We are very much astonished by this result, but a result is never a discovery until other people confirm it. When you get such a result you want to make sure you made no mistakes, that there are no nasty things going on you didn't think of. We spent months and months doing checks and we have not been able to find any errors. If there is a problem, it must be a tough, nasty effect, because trivial things we are clever enough to rule out. The Opera group said it hoped the physics community would scrutinise the result and help uncover any flaws in the measurement, or verify it with their own experiments. Subir Sarkar, head of particle theory at Oxford University, said: If this is proved to be true it would be a massive, massive event. It is something nobody was expecting. The constancy of the speed of light essentially underpins our understanding of space and time and causality, which is the fact that cause comes before effect. Cause cannot come after effect and that is absolutely fundamental to our construction of the physical universe. If we do not have causality, we are buggered. The Opera experiment detects neutrinos as they strike 150,000 bricks of photographic emulsion
Re: [meteorite-list] ebay restriction on international auctions of meteorites? and faster than the speed of light neutrinos!
Looks like the last haven is to have a clickable link to your site which does not have items for sale on it. At least your email can be on there for the moment. Alternately a phone number isn't explicitly prohibited. Nor telling them to google your ebay user name or something unique that will find what a great guy you are (like a beer club membership number) if there is good reason you want someone to find you without having to conform to the new sheepdog herding policy... -Original Message- From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thu, Sep 22, 2011 8:29 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] ebay restriction on international auctions of meteorites? and faster than the speed of light neutrinos! Meg is taking over as head honcho of Hewlett-Packard. I just was notified by eBay today that as of October 1st no more mention of emails will be allowed. They don't want any off eBay transactions taking place. Also, this is pretty cool: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/sep/22/faster-than-light-particles-neutrinos?newsfeed=true Faster than light particles found, claim scientists Particle physicists detect neutrinos travelling faster than light, a feat forbidden by Einstein's theory of special relativity a.. a.. b.. c.. reddit this b.. Comments (80) a.. Ian Sample, science correspondent b.. guardian.co.uk, Thursday 22 September 2011 18.32 EDT c.. Article history Neutrinos, like the ones above, have been detected travelling faster than light, say particle physicists. Photograph: Dan Mccoy /Corbis It is a concept that forms a cornerstone of our understanding of the universe and the concept of time - nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. But now it seems that researchers working in one of the world's largest physics laboratories, under a mountain in central Italy, have recorded particles travelling at a speed that is supposedly forbidden by Einstein's theory of special relativity. Scientists at the Gran Sasso facility will unveil evidence on Friday that raises the troubling possibility of a way to send information back in time, blurring the line between past and present and wreaking havoc with the fundamental principle of cause and effect. They will announce the result at a special seminar at Cern - the European particle physics laboratory - timed to coincide with the publication of a research paper describing the experiment. Researchers on the Opera (Oscillation Project with Emulsion-tRacking Apparatus) experiment recorded the arrival times of ghostly subatomic particles called neutrinos sent from Cern on a 730km journey through the Earth to the Gran Sasso lab. The trip would take a beam of light 2.4 milliseconds to complete, but after running the experiment for three years and timing the arrival of 15,000 neutrinos, the scientists discovered that the particles arrived at Gran Sasso sixty billionths of a second earlier, with an error margin of plus or minus 10 billionths of a second. The measurement amounts to the neutrinos travelling faster than the speed of light by a fraction of 20 parts per million. Since the speed of light is 299,792,458 metres per second, the neutrinos were evidently travelling at 299,798,454 metres per second. The result is so unlikely that even the research team is being cautious with its interpretation. Physicists said they would be sceptical of the finding until other laboratories confirmed the result. Antonio Ereditato, coordinator of the Opera collaboration, told the Guardian: We are very much astonished by this result, but a result is never a discovery until other people confirm it. When you get such a result you want to make sure you made no mistakes, that there are no nasty things going on you didn't think of. We spent months and months doing checks and we have not been able to find any errors. If there is a problem, it must be a tough, nasty effect, because trivial things we are clever enough to rule out. The Opera group said it hoped the physics community would scrutinise the result and help uncover any flaws in the measurement, or verify it with their own experiments. Subir Sarkar, head of particle theory at Oxford University, said: If this is proved to be true it would be a massive, massive event. It is something nobody was expecting. The constancy of the speed of light essentially underpins our understanding of space and time and causality, which is the fact that cause comes before effect. Cause cannot come after effect and that is absolutely fundamental to our construction of the physical universe. If we do not have causality, we are buggered. The Opera experiment detects neutrinos as they strike 150,000 bricks of photographic emulsion films interleaved with lead plates. The detector weighs a total of 1300 tonnes. Despite the marginal increase on the speed of light observed by Ereditato's team,
