[meteorite-list] New Campo del Cielo crater with 10 Tons of Meteorites Reportedly Found
Descubren nuevo cráter y meteorito de casi 10 toneladas en la zona de Campo del Cielo. Norte. May 25, 2011, http://www.diarionorte.com/noticia.php?numero=65726 “A recent scientific mission carried out by specialists of Santiago del Estero and Chaco discovered an impact crater and associated with it a meteorite weighing ten tons is estimated that dated back some 4,000 years. The location of the crater is reported as latitude 27° 37’ 19.3” South, 61° 43’ 19.3” West. This crater is counted as 27 of the Campo del Cielo strewn field. It is 17 by 32 meters and 0.7 meter deep. Related article are: Revocan expropiación del "Campo del cielo" por la propiedad del "meteorito Chaco" [[Revoked expropriation of "Field of Heaven" by ownership of the "meteorite Chaco"]] La Voz Ciudadanos, May 27, 2011 http://www.lavoz.com.ar/ciudadanos/revocan-expropiacion-campo-cielo-propiedad-meteorito-chaco “La Corte revocó un fallo proveniente del Superior Tribunal de Justicia chaqueño.” “The Supreme Court set aside the expropriation of a large area of territory in the province of Chaco, called "Field of Heaven", where a meteorite hit some 4,000 years ago.” “La Corte dejó sin efecto la expropiación de un campo en donde cayó un meteorito” Centro de Información Judicial. http://www.cij.gov.ar/nota-6872-La-Corte-dejo-sin-efecto-la-expropiacion-de-un-campo-en-donde-cayo-un-meteorito.html Best wishes, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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In a message dated 8/25/2004 7:57:27 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your post isn't off topic as beer is the official drink of the Tucson, Denver Shows, not to mention it should be drank when pondering a collection, working on specimens and a variety of other meteorite related activities. --AL Mitterling (sipping a cool but not cold Sam Adam's Light, 124 calories) while replying to the meteorite list :-) Does wine count too? I much prefer wine. (Not sipping anything yet, but I will shortly) Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMCA #2356, www.IMCA.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Sternengruss, Moni and all, Your post isn't off topic as beer is the official drink of the Tucson, Denver Shows, not to mention it should be drank when pondering a collection, working on specimens and a variety of other meteorite related activities. --AL Mitterling (sipping a cool but not cold Sam Adam's Light, 124 calories) while replying to the meteorite list :-) moni waiblinger-seabridge wrote: > Bernd and list, > > Bernd you are very smooth adding the (LL7) to a post about beer! ;-) > > I am always asked if I drink my beer warm being German. > > Germans do not really drink warm beer, its usually kept in the basement > which is quite cool in temperature. > > Sorry about the off- meteorite post. > > Sternengruss, Moni __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Bernd and list, Bernd you are very smooth adding the (LL7) to a post about beer! ;-) I am always asked if I drink my beer warm being German. Germans do not really drink warm beer, its usually kept in the basement which is quite cool in temperature. Sorry about the off- meteorite post. Sternengruss, Moni From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re-2: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted? Date: 24 Aug 2004 23:38:50 UT AL wrote: > I am so disappointed, you didn't say if the beer > tasting was going to be warm, cold or in between :-( For Pauli's Bernd it's in between luke-warm and slightly cold .. waiting for Rob Elliott to chime in while the shivers still run up and down my spine when I remember one of the beers in the Patrick Henry Village officers' club (Heidelberg - Keller Club) a few years ago ... it was so freezingly cold you couldn't even touch it ... it tasted like ... like ... bottled (LL7) water ice :-) Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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AL wrote: > I am so disappointed, you didn't say if the beer > tasting was going to be warm, cold or in between :-( For Pauli's Bernd it's in between luke-warm and slightly cold .. waiting for Rob Elliott to chime in while the shivers still run up and down my spine when I remember one of the beers in the Patrick Henry Village officers' club (Heidelberg - Keller Club) a few years ago ... it was so freezingly cold you couldn't even touch it ... it tasted like ... like ... bottled (LL7) water ice :-) Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Bernd and all, I am so disappointed, you didn't say if the beer tasting was going to be warm, cold or in between :-( [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll also get back to Martin's "beer testing" chore and taste another beer while I'm watching the mails sail along ;-) ... and it is * l e g a l * :-) --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Martin A. wrote: > Yip Bernd, just back from beer testing I found the inbox > full of those "Campo"-Mails. Perhaps we should invite > Matteo to join this Kindergarten. Not that I would mind but these lines below come from my almost namesake Bernhard: > Adam, Mike, I love you both. Hug hug, kiss kiss. Now both of you > please tell me that you love each other as well and invite me to > continue to bid on your auctions. It is a pity to see that these two gents have so much to give to the world of meteorites but give each other so little, ... and we all know that life can be very short and can end so abruptly. School has not yet restarted for me here and I do not have to get up early so I'll also get back to Martin's "beer testing" chore and taste another beer while I'm watching the mails sail along ;-) ... and it is * l e g a l * :-) Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Yip Bernd, just back from beer testing I found the inbox full of those "Campo"-Mails. Perhaps we should invite Matteo to join this Kindergarten. Informations quoted from anonymous sources are a priori worthless as well as statements: My mommy is stronger than yours; I know it, but I won't tell; I tell to police and you'll have to go to jail. Dean hit the point, just let give you the laws and treaties of the regions if you wan't to be a moralic institution, publish it on the web, ready. Nice would be a chart of the strewnfield of Campo and Mundrabilla too, for selfcalling you a scientific institution, so that we collectors could add this informations to the documentation of our collections specimens. And all would be happy and gay. Btw: Campo, whether new or old, is THE most harmful meteorite to collectors community. So many beginners are seduced to buy a Campo from ebay, because it's the cheapest meteorite on Earth and after a few months it rusted away under their hands, so that they are so dissapointed, that they quit collecting. (To take a stabilized one comes not in their minds, because they don't realize that those have to be more expensive than the ebay-Campo-price burned into their brains). I can't count anymore the cries for help: UAAAH my Campo is falling in pieces, "New" or old. (That's why I'll never sell Campo, Nantan, Dronino - such a locality you can sell exatly once and then the client will be lost). Now I go back to my beer. Boozing is a nice alternative for not making a new inventory sales list, where noone will buy from, because most of the stuff is more expensive then unnumbered NWA-crap and stinky Campos. (There are still 400 breweries in Bavaria left, I'll be back in 100days). Skol. Martin A. PS: My English is bad. "You" means not a particular person, should be ment as "one", impersonnal. - Original Message - From: "Bernhard Rems" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 9:18 PM Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted? Adam, Mike, I love you both. Hug hug, kiss kiss. Now both of you please tell me that you love each other as well and invite me to continue to bid on your auctions. Regards, Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Michael Farmer Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. August 2004 21:13 An: Adam Hupe Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted? EXCUSE ME, Australia? what do you know about my trip to Australia? What do you know ADAM? TELL US ALL Now since you just accused me of committing a crime. This is beyond reproach. Again, what might I ask do you know about my trip to Australia. Adam, this is not acceptible. How dare you, were you there? Do you know what I did? Do you PRETEND to know what I brought back from Australia? DO YOU? And might We all ask, HOW do you know such thing, when I have been home all of 3 days? Adam, moment of truth like Dumbya had yesterday, tell us how you know something about my Australia trip? Ill bet you that you dont. Michael Farmer One pissed off guy right now. - Original Message - From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted? > Hi Mike and List, > > The Campo thing has being going on for years and I thought it was time to > clarify things because I was considering going there. I respect the laws > governing meteorites and no I am not sitting a load of Campo. What I have > in my inventory amounts to less than half a kilo. To be honest, I do not > know its legal status because it was purchased at auction in Tucson. Mike > just because you do not care about laws as your past record demonstrates in > India and now Australia is no reason for you to jump to conclusions > regarding my status. > > All the best, > > Adam > > - Original Message - > From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "dean bessey" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:55 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted? > > > > Are you joking Adam? Why do you keep making these weird controversies up > > every week? I saw the Amgala one come up out of the blue, now this? As a > > person who has sold literally TONS of campo, I don't know of any > > controversy, and till your email, never saw any on this list for at least > 4 > > or 5 years. > > So why did this start up all of a sudden? Are you getting ready to start > > selling them, prepping the mark
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WOW, Adam, you had the chance to apologize, and you didn't. Again, you just made false charges about me, saying that I stole meteorites from Australia. Now Adam, I think everyone on this list can see that since you did not present any proof in your email. For you information, I found many kilos of Mundrabilla, it is sitting in Australia at this time awaiting Export permit, and god willing, if it comes through in time, it will be brought to Denver by a friend of mine down there. See Adam, it isn't really that sinister, Mundrabilla is not hard to get export permits for. If you are suggesting that the fact that I updated my boring plain-jane mundrabilla eBay pages with classy new photos from the strewnfield proves that I smuggled out meteorites, again, you are sorely mistaken. I have been buying Mundrabilla for many years, before you know what a meteorite was, and I do believe that my new eBay page is much better now with actual photos from the strewnfield. I have many kilos that I bought in the last years, Bob Haag has many kilos sitting in his basement, Peter Heidelar has many kilos for sale every year in Tucson (who I buy most of it from). Now, to the Shale auctions, indeed, I brought back a couple kilos of Meteorite Shale. The Australian Cultural affairs person said that shale is considered "Rust" which is basically is, and Rust is not covered or considered a meteorite, and I could take all of the meteorite RUST out of Australia that I wanted to. Which I did. Adam, you have a track record of slamming everyone and anyone who sells something that you have and don't have. Now, do not ever accuse me of stealing meteorites from Australia or anywhere else unless you have proof to share, no proof means you had better not accuse me. I am disappointed in you, and I am sure most of the list is. You accused me, making false statements when you have no goddmaned idea what I did in Australia. Get a life Adam, and quit pretending to be a scientist, you are not and never will be. People are tiring of your old "we do it for the science" spiel. your hundreds of eBay auctions prove otherwise. You are the one who made this ugly, so apologize and it can all be over. I will not be called a criminal and keep my mouth shut. Does anyone on this list think that I should not defend myself to the absolute bullshit charges Adam made? He was not in Australia, I just got home, I have talked to about 5 people regarding my trip, do any of you belive that Adam has some spyplane following me 1000 miles into the desert? Adam, where do you get your data about my trip to Australia? Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted? > Hello again Mike and List, > > Are you saying you left those Mundrabillas behind that you imaged in situ > and that you did not illegally remove material from India? Mike, a smart > thing for you to do is stay out of controversies as you clearly take each > and every one of them personally, something a guilty person would do. The > anonymous parties did leave references behind and were fairly thorough about > the Mountain finds being a myth. > > Since this string is headed in an unexpected direction and is turning ugly I > will step out. > > Adam > > - Original Message - > From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 12:12 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted? > > > > EXCUSE ME, Australia? what do you know about my trip to Australia? What do > > you know ADAM? TELL US ALL Now since you just accused me of committing a > > crime. This is beyond reproach. Again, what might I ask do you know about > my > > trip to Australia. > > Adam, this is not acceptible. How dare you, were you there? Do you know > what > > I did? Do you PRETEND to know what I brought back from Australia? DO YOU? > > And might We all ask, HOW do you know such thing, when I have been home > all > > of 3 days? > > Adam, moment of truth like Dumbya had yesterday, tell us how you know > > something about my Australia trip? Ill bet you that you dont. > > Michael Farmer > > One pissed off guy right now. > > - Original Message - > > From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:54 AM > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted? > > > > > > > Hi Mike and Li
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> Now both of you please tell me that you love each > other as well and > invite me to continue to bid on your auctions. > Regards, > Bernhard > Dont Forget, I also Love ALL by bidders in my ebay auctions to and welcome EVERYBODY to bid. (Although because on friday I am going on a business trip to tahiti, Indonesia, Thailand and Hong kong for 6 weeks I wont have more ebay auctions until the last week of september anyway at the earliest). But feel free to bid on my auctions to then. Save up for my grand return (since I will surely be very broke by then). Cheers DEAN (AMUNRE) __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello again Mike and List, Are you saying you left those Mundrabillas behind that you imaged in situ and that you did not illegally remove material from India? Mike, a smart thing for you to do is stay out of controversies as you clearly take each and every one of them personally, something a guilty person would do. The anonymous parties did leave references behind and were fairly thorough about the Mountain finds being a myth. Since this string is headed in an unexpected direction and is turning ugly I will step out. Adam - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted? > EXCUSE ME, Australia? what do you know about my trip to Australia? What do > you know ADAM? TELL US ALL Now since you just accused me of committing a > crime. This is beyond reproach. Again, what might I ask do you know about my > trip to Australia. > Adam, this is not acceptible. How dare you, were you there? Do you know what > I did? Do you PRETEND to know what I brought back from Australia? DO YOU? > And might We all ask, HOW do you know such thing, when I have been home all > of 3 days? > Adam, moment of truth like Dumbya had yesterday, tell us how you know > something about my Australia trip? Ill bet you that you dont. > Michael Farmer > One pissed off guy right now. > - Original Message - > From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:54 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted? > > > > Hi Mike and List, > > > > The Campo thing has being going on for years and I thought it was time to > > clarify things because I was considering going there. I respect the laws > > governing meteorites and no I am not sitting a load of Campo. What I have > > in my inventory amounts to less than half a kilo. To be honest, I do not > > know its legal status because it was purchased at auction in Tucson. Mike > > just because you do not care about laws as your past record demonstrates > in > > India and now Australia is no reason for you to jump to conclusions > > regarding my status. > > > > All the best, > > > > Adam > > > > - Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "dean bessey" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:55 AM > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted? > > > > > > > Are you joking Adam? Why do you keep making these weird controversies up > > > every week? I saw the Amgala one come up out of the blue, now this? As > a > > > person who has sold literally TONS of campo, I don't know of any > > > controversy, and till your email, never saw any on this list for at > least > > 4 > > > or 5 years. > > > So why did this start up all of a sudden? Are you getting ready to start > > > selling them, prepping the market for your "legal Campos" while everyone > > > else sells "Stolen Campos"? > > > > > > I just find this non-existent controversy to be complete idiocy, and > these > > > "sources who want to remain anonymous" give me a break. > > > > > > Why start this up out of the blue for no reason? Why start an argument > > > where there was none? > > > My two cents. > > > Michael Farmer > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:41 AM > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted? > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dean and List, > > > > > > > > The anonymous people you are talking about wish to remain so because > of > > > the > > > > controversy surrounding Campos. The List can become a battleground > and > > > they > > > > do not want to take part in the fray. This does not make them weak, > just > > > > responsible. They, none the less, felt it was important to share this > > > > information. One of the sources is a well known scientist, another is > an > > > > author on the subject and the
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Adam, Mike, I love you both. Hug hug, kiss kiss. Now both of you please tell me that you love each other as well and invite me to continue to bid on your auctions. Regards, Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Michael Farmer Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. August 2004 21:13 An: Adam Hupe Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted? EXCUSE ME, Australia? what do you know about my trip to Australia? What do you know ADAM? TELL US ALL Now since you just accused me of committing a crime. This is beyond reproach. Again, what might I ask do you know about my trip to Australia. Adam, this is not acceptible. How dare you, were you there? Do you know what I did? Do you PRETEND to know what I brought back from Australia? DO YOU? And might We all ask, HOW do you know such thing, when I have been home all of 3 days? Adam, moment of truth like Dumbya had yesterday, tell us how you know something about my Australia trip? Ill bet you that you dont. Michael Farmer One pissed off guy right now. - Original Message - From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted? > Hi Mike and List, > > The Campo thing has being going on for years and I thought it was time to > clarify things because I was considering going there. I respect the laws > governing meteorites and no I am not sitting a load of Campo. What I have > in my inventory amounts to less than half a kilo. To be honest, I do not > know its legal status because it was purchased at auction in Tucson. Mike > just because you do not care about laws as your past record demonstrates in > India and now Australia is no reason for you to jump to conclusions > regarding my status. > > All the best, > > Adam > > - Original Message - > From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "dean bessey" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:55 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted? > > > > Are you joking Adam? Why do you keep making these weird controversies up > > every week? I saw the Amgala one come up out of the blue, now this? As a > > person who has sold literally TONS of campo, I don't know of any > > controversy, and till your email, never saw any on this list for at least > 4 > > or 5 years. > > So why did this start up all of a sudden? Are you getting ready to start > > selling them, prepping the market for your "legal Campos" while everyone > > else sells "Stolen Campos"? > > > > I just find this non-existent controversy to be complete idiocy, and these > > "sources who want to remain anonymous" give me a break. > > > > Why start this up out of the blue for no reason? Why start an argument > > where there was none? > > My two cents. > > Michael Farmer > > - Original Message - > > From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:41 AM > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted? > > > > > > > Hi Dean and List, > > > > > > The anonymous people you are talking about wish to remain so because of > > the > > > controversy surrounding Campos. The List can become a battleground and > > they > > > do not want to take part in the fray. This does not make them weak, just > > > responsible. They, none the less, felt it was important to share this > > > information. One of the sources is a well known scientist, another is an > > > author on the subject and the third is a respected List member. Do not > > > forget that a great deal of respectable people follow the List, choose > not > > > to share and understandably want to stay out of controversial subjects > > > because of their careers. > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > > Adam > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:15 AM > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted? > > > > > > > > > > I wouldent trust some "Unknown annoyonamous" source. > > > > Lets see that stand up in
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You know, here is something that is interesting. Two or Three years ago Mike Farmer was into an exact identical arguement on this list when he was selling Campos by the Ton (His claim) and somebody (I dont remember who) started claiming that they were illegal and a fight broke out on this list involving Campos with farmer on the defensive. I dont remember exactly how but I was somehow involved in the fight to (Not because me and farmer ever had opposing views I am sure). But anyway, during this time I got two emails (One even from Brazil) from people in south america asking me to send an annomomous email to the met list but not tell who they were because (In the case of the brazilian person) they were being watched by some secret meteorite police who were watching and were out to get them and that if word got out who they were they would never be herd from again (Which according to them happens a lot in south America). Sounds to me like history is repeating itself again with new warnings (Although likely with new secret meteorite preservationists because surely the ones from three years ago have been found by now, had their fingernails pulled out and dumped at 3am from a helicopter over shark infested waters). Come on Wake up. No scientists or anybody who wants to preserve an academic reputation is going to secretly email anybody with vague warnings without backing up their warning with the exact laws that they are using to base their warning on. A respectable scientist (Or government official) is not going to be to chicken scared to put their name on the line when warning people about valid laws from their country that they are only repeating (and not making up). Sincerely DEAN --- Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are you joking Adam? Why do you keep making these > weird controversies up > every week? I saw the Amgala one come up out of the > blue, now this? As a > person who has sold literally TONS of campo, I don't > know of any > controversy, and till your email, never saw any on > this list for at least 4 > or 5 years. > So why did this start up all of a sudden? Are you > getting ready to start > selling them, prepping the market for your "legal > Campos" while everyone > else sells "Stolen Campos"? > > I just find this non-existent controversy to be > complete idiocy, and these > "sources who want to remain anonymous" give me a > break. > > Why start this up out of the blue for no reason? > Why start an argument > where there was none? > My two cents. > Michael Farmer > - Original Message - > From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:41 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth > Busted? > > > > Hi Dean and List, > > > > The anonymous people you are talking about wish to > remain so because of > the > > controversy surrounding Campos. The List can > become a battleground and > they > > do not want to take part in the fray. This does > not make them weak, just > > responsible. They, none the less, felt it was > important to share this > > information. One of the sources is a well known > scientist, another is an > > author on the subject and the third is a respected > List member. Do not > > forget that a great deal of respectable people > follow the List, choose not > > to share and understandably want to stay out of > controversial subjects > > because of their careers. > > > > All the best, > > > > Adam > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:15 AM > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth > Busted? > > > > > > > I wouldent trust some "Unknown annoyonamous" > source. > > > Lets see that stand up in court or argue it at > > > customs. > > > It is pretty easy to read a law and pretty easy > to get > > > a copy of any law in argentina (Just ask the > embassy). > > > You might need somebody to translate it to > english but > > > anybody who is making a blind statement of fact > and > > > being to pussy scared into mentioning their > names > > > sounds to me more likely sombody trying to > privately > > > scare you away from looking over their > strewnfield. > > > Sort of reminds me of Keith Littleton's rant > last June > > > on this list where he went to some serious > > > archaeologists and deliberately misrepresented
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EXCUSE ME, Australia? what do you know about my trip to Australia? What do you know ADAM? TELL US ALL Now since you just accused me of committing a crime. This is beyond reproach. Again, what might I ask do you know about my trip to Australia. Adam, this is not acceptible. How dare you, were you there? Do you know what I did? Do you PRETEND to know what I brought back from Australia? DO YOU? And might We all ask, HOW do you know such thing, when I have been home all of 3 days? Adam, moment of truth like Dumbya had yesterday, tell us how you know something about my Australia trip? Ill bet you that you dont. Michael Farmer One pissed off guy right now. - Original Message - From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted? > Hi Mike and List, > > The Campo thing has being going on for years and I thought it was time to > clarify things because I was considering going there. I respect the laws > governing meteorites and no I am not sitting a load of Campo. What I have > in my inventory amounts to less than half a kilo. To be honest, I do not > know its legal status because it was purchased at auction in Tucson. Mike > just because you do not care about laws as your past record demonstrates in > India and now Australia is no reason for you to jump to conclusions > regarding my status. > > All the best, > > Adam > > - Original Message - > From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "dean bessey" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:55 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted? > > > > Are you joking Adam? Why do you keep making these weird controversies up > > every week? I saw the Amgala one come up out of the blue, now this? As a > > person who has sold literally TONS of campo, I don't know of any > > controversy, and till your email, never saw any on this list for at least > 4 > > or 5 years. > > So why did this start up all of a sudden? Are you getting ready to start > > selling them, prepping the market for your "legal Campos" while everyone > > else sells "Stolen Campos"? > > > > I just find this non-existent controversy to be complete idiocy, and these > > "sources who want to remain anonymous" give me a break. > > > > Why start this up out of the blue for no reason? Why start an argument > > where there was none? > > My two cents. > > Michael Farmer > > - Original Message - > > From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:41 AM > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted? > > > > > > > Hi Dean and List, > > > > > > The anonymous people you are talking about wish to remain so because of > > the > > > controversy surrounding Campos. The List can become a battleground and > > they > > > do not want to take part in the fray. This does not make them weak, just > > > responsible. They, none the less, felt it was important to share this > > > information. One of the sources is a well known scientist, another is an > > > author on the subject and the third is a respected List member. Do not > > > forget that a great deal of respectable people follow the List, choose > not > > > to share and understandably want to stay out of controversial subjects > > > because of their careers. > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > > Adam > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:15 AM > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted? > > > > > > > > > > I wouldent trust some "Unknown annoyonamous" source. > > > > Lets see that stand up in court or argue it at > > > > customs. > > > > It is pretty easy to read a law and pretty easy to get > > > > a copy of any law in argentina (Just ask the embassy). > > > > You might need somebody to translate it to english but > > > > anybody who is making a blind statement of fact and > > > > being to pussy scared into mentioning their names > > >
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Hi Mike and List, The Campo thing has being going on for years and I thought it was time to clarify things because I was considering going there. I respect the laws governing meteorites and no I am not sitting a load of Campo. What I have in my inventory amounts to less than half a kilo. To be honest, I do not know its legal status because it was purchased at auction in Tucson. Mike just because you do not care about laws as your past record demonstrates in India and now Australia is no reason for you to jump to conclusions regarding my status. All the best, Adam - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted? > Are you joking Adam? Why do you keep making these weird controversies up > every week? I saw the Amgala one come up out of the blue, now this? As a > person who has sold literally TONS of campo, I don't know of any > controversy, and till your email, never saw any on this list for at least 4 > or 5 years. > So why did this start up all of a sudden? Are you getting ready to start > selling them, prepping the market for your "legal Campos" while everyone > else sells "Stolen Campos"? > > I just find this non-existent controversy to be complete idiocy, and these > "sources who want to remain anonymous" give me a break. > > Why start this up out of the blue for no reason? Why start an argument > where there was none? > My two cents. > Michael Farmer > - Original Message - > From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:41 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted? > > > > Hi Dean and List, > > > > The anonymous people you are talking about wish to remain so because of > the > > controversy surrounding Campos. The List can become a battleground and > they > > do not want to take part in the fray. This does not make them weak, just > > responsible. They, none the less, felt it was important to share this > > information. One of the sources is a well known scientist, another is an > > author on the subject and the third is a respected List member. Do not > > forget that a great deal of respectable people follow the List, choose not > > to share and understandably want to stay out of controversial subjects > > because of their careers. > > > > All the best, > > > > Adam > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:15 AM > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted? > > > > > > > I wouldent trust some "Unknown annoyonamous" source. > > > Lets see that stand up in court or argue it at > > > customs. > > > It is pretty easy to read a law and pretty easy to get > > > a copy of any law in argentina (Just ask the embassy). > > > You might need somebody to translate it to english but > > > anybody who is making a blind statement of fact and > > > being to pussy scared into mentioning their names > > > sounds to me more likely sombody trying to privately > > > scare you away from looking over their strewnfield. > > > Sort of reminds me of Keith Littleton's rant last June > > > on this list where he went to some serious > > > archaeologists and deliberately misrepresented one of > > > Mark Bostics auctions of Libyan Desert Glass as some > > > ancient egyptian artifact and then from the responce > > > concerning ancient artifacts declared that it was > > > illegal to export unworked pieces of libyan desert > > > glass. > > > It makes no sense to me why somebody without any > > > ulterior motive would make the declarations that they > > > made to Adam and then request that they remain > > > annonamous. If you contact the embassy they wont tell > > > you to "Not tell anybody that you got this copy of > > > argentnian laws from us". > > > There was a new world wide law passed lately. Only the > > > pellisons are permitted to deal in meteorites. > > > Everybody else by decree are not allowed to deal in > > > meteorites. > > > The pellisons have told everybody this but we are not > > > sure what authority issued it. Se
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Are you joking Adam? Why do you keep making these weird controversies up every week? I saw the Amgala one come up out of the blue, now this? As a person who has sold literally TONS of campo, I don't know of any controversy, and till your email, never saw any on this list for at least 4 or 5 years. So why did this start up all of a sudden? Are you getting ready to start selling them, prepping the market for your "legal Campos" while everyone else sells "Stolen Campos"? I just find this non-existent controversy to be complete idiocy, and these "sources who want to remain anonymous" give me a break. Why start this up out of the blue for no reason? Why start an argument where there was none? My two cents. Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted? > Hi Dean and List, > > The anonymous people you are talking about wish to remain so because of the > controversy surrounding Campos. The List can become a battleground and they > do not want to take part in the fray. This does not make them weak, just > responsible. They, none the less, felt it was important to share this > information. One of the sources is a well known scientist, another is an > author on the subject and the third is a respected List member. Do not > forget that a great deal of respectable people follow the List, choose not > to share and understandably want to stay out of controversial subjects > because of their careers. > > All the best, > > Adam > > - Original Message - > From: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:15 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted? > > > > I wouldent trust some "Unknown annoyonamous" source. > > Lets see that stand up in court or argue it at > > customs. > > It is pretty easy to read a law and pretty easy to get > > a copy of any law in argentina (Just ask the embassy). > > You might need somebody to translate it to english but > > anybody who is making a blind statement of fact and > > being to pussy scared into mentioning their names > > sounds to me more likely sombody trying to privately > > scare you away from looking over their strewnfield. > > Sort of reminds me of Keith Littleton's rant last June > > on this list where he went to some serious > > archaeologists and deliberately misrepresented one of > > Mark Bostics auctions of Libyan Desert Glass as some > > ancient egyptian artifact and then from the responce > > concerning ancient artifacts declared that it was > > illegal to export unworked pieces of libyan desert > > glass. > > It makes no sense to me why somebody without any > > ulterior motive would make the declarations that they > > made to Adam and then request that they remain > > annonamous. If you contact the embassy they wont tell > > you to "Not tell anybody that you got this copy of > > argentnian laws from us". > > There was a new world wide law passed lately. Only the > > pellisons are permitted to deal in meteorites. > > Everybody else by decree are not allowed to deal in > > meteorites. > > The pellisons have told everybody this but we are not > > sure what authority issued it. Seems only the > > pellisons know. > > These "annonumous" sources have about as much > > credibility as keith and the Pellisons rants over the > > past few years. > > Maybe its just me. But somehow it just seems odd to me > > that an intelligent and sane person and serious > > meteorite hunter would plan trips around some > > annonomous individual sending them an email saying > > that something is illegal so stay away rather than > > making a quick phone call to the countries embassy. I > > have a friend who is trying to get twenty two million > > dollars out of Nigeria. I know this to be true because > > he contacted me out of the blue via email from some > > internet cafe last night. Maybe I should put him in > > touch with any list member interested in helping him > > out. Just dont call the nigerian embassy to find out > > the exact law concerning this activity. > > Sincerely > > DEAN > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > --- Adam Hupe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Dear List, > > > > > > I would like to thank those who responded to my > > > inqu
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Hi Dean and List, The anonymous people you are talking about wish to remain so because of the controversy surrounding Campos. The List can become a battleground and they do not want to take part in the fray. This does not make them weak, just responsible. They, none the less, felt it was important to share this information. One of the sources is a well known scientist, another is an author on the subject and the third is a respected List member. Do not forget that a great deal of respectable people follow the List, choose not to share and understandably want to stay out of controversial subjects because of their careers. All the best, Adam - Original Message - From: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted? > I wouldent trust some "Unknown annoyonamous" source. > Lets see that stand up in court or argue it at > customs. > It is pretty easy to read a law and pretty easy to get > a copy of any law in argentina (Just ask the embassy). > You might need somebody to translate it to english but > anybody who is making a blind statement of fact and > being to pussy scared into mentioning their names > sounds to me more likely sombody trying to privately > scare you away from looking over their strewnfield. > Sort of reminds me of Keith Littleton's rant last June > on this list where he went to some serious > archaeologists and deliberately misrepresented one of > Mark Bostics auctions of Libyan Desert Glass as some > ancient egyptian artifact and then from the responce > concerning ancient artifacts declared that it was > illegal to export unworked pieces of libyan desert > glass. > It makes no sense to me why somebody without any > ulterior motive would make the declarations that they > made to Adam and then request that they remain > annonamous. If you contact the embassy they wont tell > you to "Not tell anybody that you got this copy of > argentnian laws from us". > There was a new world wide law passed lately. Only the > pellisons are permitted to deal in meteorites. > Everybody else by decree are not allowed to deal in > meteorites. > The pellisons have told everybody this but we are not > sure what authority issued it. Seems only the > pellisons know. > These "annonumous" sources have about as much > credibility as keith and the Pellisons rants over the > past few years. > Maybe its just me. But somehow it just seems odd to me > that an intelligent and sane person and serious > meteorite hunter would plan trips around some > annonomous individual sending them an email saying > that something is illegal so stay away rather than > making a quick phone call to the countries embassy. I > have a friend who is trying to get twenty two million > dollars out of Nigeria. I know this to be true because > he contacted me out of the blue via email from some > internet cafe last night. Maybe I should put him in > touch with any list member interested in helping him > out. Just dont call the nigerian embassy to find out > the exact law concerning this activity. > Sincerely > DEAN > > > > . > > > > --- Adam Hupe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Dear List, > > > > I would like to thank those who responded to my > > inquiry about old versus new > > Campos. I am looking to explore new areas and > > thought this locality might > > have been worth investigating but have since changed > > my mind. Below are a > > set of responses that best address this issue. The > > authors would like to > > remain anonymous so I left their names out. > > > > *** > > Email #1 > > > > Your "well informed source" is correct on both > > counts. Illegal exportation > > and there are no mountainside finds. The terrain is > > basically flat and the > > strewn field is shorter and wider than presented in > > Cassiday's various > > papers. The reports of a specimen recovery 70-80 km > > down-range are repeated, > > but have never been evidenced. The difference > > between 'new' and 'old' Campos > > is the depth of recovery. Cassiday's specimens > > recovered 1962-73 are both > > 'new' and 'old'. Recovered at depth within the > > craters are 'new'; those > > recovered from surface ejecta or from farmers' > > fields are 'old'. Repeated > > irrigation and the use of fertilizers has taken its > > toll. Cassiday used a > > WW2 metal detector in his search. Wit
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Great response, just what this list needs, I 100% agree with you in everything you said on that one. People have been getting burned alot on ebay lately, I always tell them the same thing, if you buy from unknown people, you get unknown service and product. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: "Norman Lehrman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted? > Mike & all, > > No, I am not implying all are from Chaco. Some are > certainly from Santiago del Estero. I only wanted to > shed a little insight on how and why stories like this > get started and are perpetuated. > > If someone tells you theirs are from a legal source, > as you well know, each of us has little choice but to > make a judgement call. There is rarely any recourse > but to accept (or reject) their word. This gets at the > heart of why most of us tend to seek out what we > consider reputable dealers rather than purchasing from > the latest guy who found a burning rock that fell > behind grandpa's barn last night. > > I see no problem with the term "new Campo". No one > debates their superior condition (which is probably > the determining factor on them being termed "new"). > And some may well come from any part of the strewn > field, legal areas included. It just seems that the > story that goes with them is getting more and more > elaboration and embellishment with time. I find it > interesting to watch this evolution, knowing that all > sorts of collectibles are subject to similar gradual > distortions. It seems a good example to illustrate > the need for healthy cynicism. I'm sure it's not > startling news that not every story deserves blind > acceptance and repetition--- > > Nothing deeper than that intended by my comments--- > > Cheers, > Norm > --- Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Norm, are you saying that you know that the pieces > > are all from Chaco then? > > I don't know about the terrain, the closest I have > > ever been to Campo is > > Uruguay. > > I have no problem with that debate, again, not a > > problem to me whether there > > are hills or no hills. I do know that the term "New > > Campo" was never > > implying that they were anything other than campo, > > but you cant deny that > > for 50 years, the only campos were ugly rustbuckets, > > and then when the "new > > Campos" came up, they were gorgeous, regmaglypted, > > sometimes with fusion > > crust, a 180 turn from the garbage before, so I > > think they should be > > distinguished with some term, "new" seems ok to me. > > I was just in the Mundrabilla Strewnfield, where > > it stretches over 100 > > miles, and mush less of Mundrabilla is known than > > Campo, so obviously the > > strewnfield is huge. > > When I am told the pieces are from Santiago del > > Estero and are legal, > > what choice do I have but believe it? In court, > > without proof, then you cant > > make charges that those pieces are stolen from > > Chaco. Are some? Likely, but > > to charge that without proof is not right. > > Mike Farmer > > - Original Message - > > From: "Norman Lehrman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > "Michael Farmer" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 10:37 AM > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth > > Busted? > > > > > > > Adam, Mike, & everyone, > > > > > > This is a significant subject, partly in that > > there is > > > a bunch of misinformation regarding new Campos on > > > Ebay. > > > > > > I spent last winter in Chile and Argentina, and > > > although I did not visit Campo del Cielo, I did > > spend > > > time with the family on who's land the principal > > part > > > of the strewn field is located. > > > > > > They affirm what Adam's respondents have reported: > > > there is no "new" area on a mountain side. The > > "new > > > Campos" are indeed simply from greater depth in > > the > > > exact same area as the "old" Campos. > > > > > > There is a reason for the inaccurate claims to the > &g
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Mike & all, No, I am not implying all are from Chaco. Some are certainly from Santiago del Estero. I only wanted to shed a little insight on how and why stories like this get started and are perpetuated. If someone tells you theirs are from a legal source, as you well know, each of us has little choice but to make a judgement call. There is rarely any recourse but to accept (or reject) their word. This gets at the heart of why most of us tend to seek out what we consider reputable dealers rather than purchasing from the latest guy who found a burning rock that fell behind grandpa's barn last night. I see no problem with the term "new Campo". No one debates their superior condition (which is probably the determining factor on them being termed "new"). And some may well come from any part of the strewn field, legal areas included. It just seems that the story that goes with them is getting more and more elaboration and embellishment with time. I find it interesting to watch this evolution, knowing that all sorts of collectibles are subject to similar gradual distortions. It seems a good example to illustrate the need for healthy cynicism. I'm sure it's not startling news that not every story deserves blind acceptance and repetition--- Nothing deeper than that intended by my comments--- Cheers, Norm --- Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Norm, are you saying that you know that the pieces > are all from Chaco then? > I don't know about the terrain, the closest I have > ever been to Campo is > Uruguay. > I have no problem with that debate, again, not a > problem to me whether there > are hills or no hills. I do know that the term "New > Campo" was never > implying that they were anything other than campo, > but you cant deny that > for 50 years, the only campos were ugly rustbuckets, > and then when the "new > Campos" came up, they were gorgeous, regmaglypted, > sometimes with fusion > crust, a 180 turn from the garbage before, so I > think they should be > distinguished with some term, "new" seems ok to me. > I was just in the Mundrabilla Strewnfield, where > it stretches over 100 > miles, and mush less of Mundrabilla is known than > Campo, so obviously the > strewnfield is huge. > When I am told the pieces are from Santiago del > Estero and are legal, > what choice do I have but believe it? In court, > without proof, then you cant > make charges that those pieces are stolen from > Chaco. Are some? Likely, but > to charge that without proof is not right. > Mike Farmer > - Original Message - > From: "Norman Lehrman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > "Michael Farmer" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 10:37 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth > Busted? > > > > Adam, Mike, & everyone, > > > > This is a significant subject, partly in that > there is > > a bunch of misinformation regarding new Campos on > > Ebay. > > > > I spent last winter in Chile and Argentina, and > > although I did not visit Campo del Cielo, I did > spend > > time with the family on who's land the principal > part > > of the strewn field is located. > > > > They affirm what Adam's respondents have reported: > > there is no "new" area on a mountain side. The > "new > > Campos" are indeed simply from greater depth in > the > > exact same area as the "old" Campos. > > > > There is a reason for the inaccurate claims to the > > contrary. The strewn field is mostly in the Chaco > > province which has enacted legislation making > export > > illegal. However, the strewn field overlaps the > > province boundary into the adjacent Santiago del > > Estero Province which currently has no such law. > > > > As a result, to reduce chances of legal problems, > > exporters are claiming that their material comes > from > > a "new" area in Santiago del Estero---essentially > > equivalent to saying "the fossils I am selling > come > > from private land just outside the National Park > > boundary". > > > > Cheers, > > Norm > > (http://tektitesource.com) > > > > > > --- Adam Hupe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Hi Mike and List, > > > > > > I think it is very relevant information and more > > > importantly it concerns > > > meteorites. Mike, if you took the time to read > I am > > > investigating new
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I wouldent trust some "Unknown annoyonamous" source. Lets see that stand up in court or argue it at customs. It is pretty easy to read a law and pretty easy to get a copy of any law in argentina (Just ask the embassy). You might need somebody to translate it to english but anybody who is making a blind statement of fact and being to pussy scared into mentioning their names sounds to me more likely sombody trying to privately scare you away from looking over their strewnfield. Sort of reminds me of Keith Littleton's rant last June on this list where he went to some serious archaeologists and deliberately misrepresented one of Mark Bostics auctions of Libyan Desert Glass as some ancient egyptian artifact and then from the responce concerning ancient artifacts declared that it was illegal to export unworked pieces of libyan desert glass. It makes no sense to me why somebody without any ulterior motive would make the declarations that they made to Adam and then request that they remain annonamous. If you contact the embassy they wont tell you to "Not tell anybody that you got this copy of argentnian laws from us". There was a new world wide law passed lately. Only the pellisons are permitted to deal in meteorites. Everybody else by decree are not allowed to deal in meteorites. The pellisons have told everybody this but we are not sure what authority issued it. Seems only the pellisons know. These "annonumous" sources have about as much credibility as keith and the Pellisons rants over the past few years. Maybe its just me. But somehow it just seems odd to me that an intelligent and sane person and serious meteorite hunter would plan trips around some annonomous individual sending them an email saying that something is illegal so stay away rather than making a quick phone call to the countries embassy. I have a friend who is trying to get twenty two million dollars out of Nigeria. I know this to be true because he contacted me out of the blue via email from some internet cafe last night. Maybe I should put him in touch with any list member interested in helping him out. Just dont call the nigerian embassy to find out the exact law concerning this activity. Sincerely DEAN . --- Adam Hupe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear List, > > I would like to thank those who responded to my > inquiry about old versus new > Campos. I am looking to explore new areas and > thought this locality might > have been worth investigating but have since changed > my mind. Below are a > set of responses that best address this issue. The > authors would like to > remain anonymous so I left their names out. > > *** > Email #1 > > Your "well informed source" is correct on both > counts. Illegal exportation > and there are no mountainside finds. The terrain is > basically flat and the > strewn field is shorter and wider than presented in > Cassiday's various > papers. The reports of a specimen recovery 70-80 km > down-range are repeated, > but have never been evidenced. The difference > between 'new' and 'old' Campos > is the depth of recovery. Cassiday's specimens > recovered 1962-73 are both > 'new' and 'old'. Recovered at depth within the > craters are 'new'; those > recovered from surface ejecta or from farmers' > fields are 'old'. Repeated > irrigation and the use of fertilizers has taken its > toll. Cassiday used a > WW2 metal detector in his search. With the > increasing demand by collectors - > beginning about 1989 - much more powerful detectors > are being used in > recovery; the deeper recoveries being more stable. > Not all of the 'new' > specimens are stable as some specimens continue to > be found at shallow > depths. The extremely flat surface of the region is > subject to sheet > deposition 1-2 cm/100 yr (think Kansas). Runoff is > limited to shallow > depressions and occasional shallow channels; the > slopes of which might be > miss translated as mountain-sides. > > The pre-entry meteoroid is estimated to be ~ 3 m in > diameter and masses ~ > 840,000 kg (Lieberman, et al., in MAPS Feb 2002) and > suggests that many more > specimens will be smuggled out in the coming years. > > Other than the variously published photos by Cassidy > et, al. I was only able > to locate photos of the "Haag" specimen. Its > recovery down-range is > consistent with aerial break-up scenarios and is > probably the Campo del > Cielo main mass. > > > Another Note: > > The place where the "New Campos" are found is the > same that the one of the > "Old Campos". The difference is the "old" are near > the surface, so them > intensely undergone the effects of the > meteorization, mainly the humidity. > The "new" are deeper so that them could conserve its > regmagliptes and have a > greater stability. The "New Campos" began to appear > when the zone was > released with powerful metal detectors. Previously > the especímentes were > found on t
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Norm, are you saying that you know that the pieces are all from Chaco then? I don't know about the terrain, the closest I have ever been to Campo is Uruguay. I have no problem with that debate, again, not a problem to me whether there are hills or no hills. I do know that the term "New Campo" was never implying that they were anything other than campo, but you cant deny that for 50 years, the only campos were ugly rustbuckets, and then when the "new Campos" came up, they were gorgeous, regmaglypted, sometimes with fusion crust, a 180 turn from the garbage before, so I think they should be distinguished with some term, "new" seems ok to me. I was just in the Mundrabilla Strewnfield, where it stretches over 100 miles, and mush less of Mundrabilla is known than Campo, so obviously the strewnfield is huge. When I am told the pieces are from Santiago del Estero and are legal, what choice do I have but believe it? In court, without proof, then you cant make charges that those pieces are stolen from Chaco. Are some? Likely, but to charge that without proof is not right. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: "Norman Lehrman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted? > Adam, Mike, & everyone, > > This is a significant subject, partly in that there is > a bunch of misinformation regarding new Campos on > Ebay. > > I spent last winter in Chile and Argentina, and > although I did not visit Campo del Cielo, I did spend > time with the family on who's land the principal part > of the strewn field is located. > > They affirm what Adam's respondents have reported: > there is no "new" area on a mountain side. The "new > Campos" are indeed simply from greater depth in the > exact same area as the "old" Campos. > > There is a reason for the inaccurate claims to the > contrary. The strewn field is mostly in the Chaco > province which has enacted legislation making export > illegal. However, the strewn field overlaps the > province boundary into the adjacent Santiago del > Estero Province which currently has no such law. > > As a result, to reduce chances of legal problems, > exporters are claiming that their material comes from > a "new" area in Santiago del Estero---essentially > equivalent to saying "the fossils I am selling come > from private land just outside the National Park > boundary". > > Cheers, > Norm > (http://tektitesource.com) > > > --- Adam Hupe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi Mike and List, > > > > I think it is very relevant information and more > > importantly it concerns > > meteorites. Mike, if you took the time to read I am > > investigating new areas > > to add to my travel itinerary. Others may be > > interesting in going there and > > should be concerned about things such as terrain and > > the laws governing such > > things. > > > > All the best, > > > > Adam > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 10:07 AM > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth > > Busted? > > > > > > > Interesting, but what is the point? Are you making > > a point? Why are you > > > worried about Campo now? > > > Any why post "emails" with no authors. If people > > are not willing to post > > > their names, regardless of the info, I think > > anything they write is > > > worthless. > > > I dont really care, as I have been sold out of > > Campos for years, but > > still, > > > this is an odd discussion you are making. > > > Mike Farmer > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 9:52 AM > > > Subject: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted? > > > > > > > > > > Dear List, > > > > > > > > I would like to thank those who responded to my > > inquiry about old versus > > > new > > > > Campos. I am looking to explore new areas and > > thought this locality > > might > > > > have been worth investigating but have since > > changed my mind. Below a
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Morocco, Oman, Libya blah blah blah and now argentina. If anybody wants to know what the laws are governing meteorites in any particular country the way to go about it is not to send emails to the list asking over and over again if some country in the middle of nowhere restricts meteorites as part of the 1970 UNESCO accord. Almost Every country (Including North Korea and Libya) has some sort of representation in the United States with a phone number (And typically an hell of a lot easier to get through to a live person than calling somebody at an american embassy overseas) and pretty much every country as a government website that one could email. A quick phone call or email to any embassy should quickly supply one with all of the information that one needs to find out the laws concerning meteorites in any country that they wishes to visit. Then if the meteorites are considered "Cultural property" and if that country is a signatory to UNESCO and if the meteorites never left the country before 1970 (Or whenever that country signed UNESCO) then it is probably illegal to export. If anybody has an interest in a countries cultural laws call the embassy and get them to fax a copy of their cultural laws to you. If it is only a provincial law and not a national law it may or may not be covered under UNESCO but every countries laws a different legal structures. Asking is easy and avoids having to guess. I know of at least one instance where campos were properly declared and inspected and approved for export. Might have been an isolated case. I dont know. Note that Campos are also found in Paraguay so check cultural laws of Paraguay also. Maybe somebody interested can call the embassies of those two countries and send us all a report. I am sure some list members would be interested. Sincerely DEAN ___ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Adam, Mike, & everyone, This is a significant subject, partly in that there is a bunch of misinformation regarding new Campos on Ebay. I spent last winter in Chile and Argentina, and although I did not visit Campo del Cielo, I did spend time with the family on who's land the principal part of the strewn field is located. They affirm what Adam's respondents have reported: there is no "new" area on a mountain side. The "new Campos" are indeed simply from greater depth in the exact same area as the "old" Campos. There is a reason for the inaccurate claims to the contrary. The strewn field is mostly in the Chaco province which has enacted legislation making export illegal. However, the strewn field overlaps the province boundary into the adjacent Santiago del Estero Province which currently has no such law. As a result, to reduce chances of legal problems, exporters are claiming that their material comes from a "new" area in Santiago del Estero---essentially equivalent to saying "the fossils I am selling come from private land just outside the National Park boundary". Cheers, Norm (http://tektitesource.com) --- Adam Hupe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Mike and List, > > I think it is very relevant information and more > importantly it concerns > meteorites. Mike, if you took the time to read I am > investigating new areas > to add to my travel itinerary. Others may be > interesting in going there and > should be concerned about things such as terrain and > the laws governing such > things. > > All the best, > > Adam > > - Original Message - > From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 10:07 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth > Busted? > > > > Interesting, but what is the point? Are you making > a point? Why are you > > worried about Campo now? > > Any why post "emails" with no authors. If people > are not willing to post > > their names, regardless of the info, I think > anything they write is > > worthless. > > I dont really care, as I have been sold out of > Campos for years, but > still, > > this is an odd discussion you are making. > > Mike Farmer > > - Original Message - > > From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 9:52 AM > > Subject: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted? > > > > > > > Dear List, > > > > > > I would like to thank those who responded to my > inquiry about old versus > > new > > > Campos. I am looking to explore new areas and > thought this locality > might > > > have been worth investigating but have since > changed my mind. Below are > a > > > set of responses that best address this issue. > The authors would like > to > > > remain anonymous so I left their names out. > > > > > > *** > > > Email #1 > > > > > > Your "well informed source" is correct on both > counts. Illegal > exportation > > > and there are no mountainside finds. The terrain > is basically flat and > the > > > strewn field is shorter and wider than presented > in Cassiday's various > > > papers. The reports of a specimen recovery 70-80 > km down-range are > > repeated, > > > but have never been evidenced. The difference > between 'new' and 'old' > > Campos > > > is the depth of recovery. Cassiday's specimens > recovered 1962-73 are > both > > > 'new' and 'old'. Recovered at depth within the > craters are 'new'; those > > > recovered from surface ejecta or from farmers' > fields are 'old'. > Repeated > > > irrigation and the use of fertilizers has taken > its toll. Cassiday used > a > > > WW2 metal detector in his search. With the > increasing demand by > > collectors - > > > beginning about 1989 - much more powerful > detectors are being used in > > > recovery; the deeper recoveries being more > stable. Not all of the 'new' > > > specimens are stable as some specimens continue > to be found at shallow > > > depths. The extremely flat surface of the region > is subject to sheet > > > deposition 1-2 cm/100 yr (think Kansas). Runoff > is limited to shallow > > > depressions and occasional shallow channels; t
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Well Adam, I have myself been in Australia for the last two weeks, so I didnt have time to read the endless bickering on the list. I saw the emails, just deleted them. You are not asking questions about terrain, you are saying that their is some "myth" using your own words and subject, this trying to stir up more controversy. Again, I could care less, as I dont do Campo anymore, and I think the question is of course valid, but the way you are presenting it is odd, and again, any email without names is worthless. Just like Matteo's fake names putting feedback on his lame website. Without known list members emailing such info, who knows if it is true or not. Dont take it wrong or take offense, read what I said. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted? > Hi Mike and List, > > I think it is very relevant information and more importantly it concerns > meteorites. Mike, if you took the time to read I am investigating new areas > to add to my travel itinerary. Others may be interesting in going there and > should be concerned about things such as terrain and the laws governing such > things. > > All the best, > > Adam > > - Original Message - > From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 10:07 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted? > > > > Interesting, but what is the point? Are you making a point? Why are you > > worried about Campo now? > > Any why post "emails" with no authors. If people are not willing to post > > their names, regardless of the info, I think anything they write is > > worthless. > > I dont really care, as I have been sold out of Campos for years, but > still, > > this is an odd discussion you are making. > > Mike Farmer > > - Original Message - > > From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 9:52 AM > > Subject: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted? > > > > > > > Dear List, > > > > > > I would like to thank those who responded to my inquiry about old versus > > new > > > Campos. I am looking to explore new areas and thought this locality > might > > > have been worth investigating but have since changed my mind. Below are > a > > > set of responses that best address this issue. The authors would like > to > > > remain anonymous so I left their names out. > > > > > > *** > > > Email #1 > > > > > > Your "well informed source" is correct on both counts. Illegal > exportation > > > and there are no mountainside finds. The terrain is basically flat and > the > > > strewn field is shorter and wider than presented in Cassiday's various > > > papers. The reports of a specimen recovery 70-80 km down-range are > > repeated, > > > but have never been evidenced. The difference between 'new' and 'old' > > Campos > > > is the depth of recovery. Cassiday's specimens recovered 1962-73 are > both > > > 'new' and 'old'. Recovered at depth within the craters are 'new'; those > > > recovered from surface ejecta or from farmers' fields are 'old'. > Repeated > > > irrigation and the use of fertilizers has taken its toll. Cassiday used > a > > > WW2 metal detector in his search. With the increasing demand by > > collectors - > > > beginning about 1989 - much more powerful detectors are being used in > > > recovery; the deeper recoveries being more stable. Not all of the 'new' > > > specimens are stable as some specimens continue to be found at shallow > > > depths. The extremely flat surface of the region is subject to sheet > > > deposition 1-2 cm/100 yr (think Kansas). Runoff is limited to shallow > > > depressions and occasional shallow channels; the slopes of which might > be > > > miss translated as mountain-sides. > > > > > > The pre-entry meteoroid is estimated to be ~ 3 m in diameter and masses > ~ > > > 840,000 kg (Lieberman, et al., in MAPS Feb 2002) and suggests that many > > more > > > specimens will be smuggled out in the coming years. > > > > >
Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted?
Hi Mike and List, I think it is very relevant information and more importantly it concerns meteorites. Mike, if you took the time to read I am investigating new areas to add to my travel itinerary. Others may be interesting in going there and should be concerned about things such as terrain and the laws governing such things. All the best, Adam - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted? > Interesting, but what is the point? Are you making a point? Why are you > worried about Campo now? > Any why post "emails" with no authors. If people are not willing to post > their names, regardless of the info, I think anything they write is > worthless. > I dont really care, as I have been sold out of Campos for years, but still, > this is an odd discussion you are making. > Mike Farmer > - Original Message - > From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 9:52 AM > Subject: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted? > > > > Dear List, > > > > I would like to thank those who responded to my inquiry about old versus > new > > Campos. I am looking to explore new areas and thought this locality might > > have been worth investigating but have since changed my mind. Below are a > > set of responses that best address this issue. The authors would like to > > remain anonymous so I left their names out. > > > > *** > > Email #1 > > > > Your "well informed source" is correct on both counts. Illegal exportation > > and there are no mountainside finds. The terrain is basically flat and the > > strewn field is shorter and wider than presented in Cassiday's various > > papers. The reports of a specimen recovery 70-80 km down-range are > repeated, > > but have never been evidenced. The difference between 'new' and 'old' > Campos > > is the depth of recovery. Cassiday's specimens recovered 1962-73 are both > > 'new' and 'old'. Recovered at depth within the craters are 'new'; those > > recovered from surface ejecta or from farmers' fields are 'old'. Repeated > > irrigation and the use of fertilizers has taken its toll. Cassiday used a > > WW2 metal detector in his search. With the increasing demand by > collectors - > > beginning about 1989 - much more powerful detectors are being used in > > recovery; the deeper recoveries being more stable. Not all of the 'new' > > specimens are stable as some specimens continue to be found at shallow > > depths. The extremely flat surface of the region is subject to sheet > > deposition 1-2 cm/100 yr (think Kansas). Runoff is limited to shallow > > depressions and occasional shallow channels; the slopes of which might be > > miss translated as mountain-sides. > > > > The pre-entry meteoroid is estimated to be ~ 3 m in diameter and masses ~ > > 840,000 kg (Lieberman, et al., in MAPS Feb 2002) and suggests that many > more > > specimens will be smuggled out in the coming years. > > > > Other than the variously published photos by Cassidy et, al. I was only > able > > to locate photos of the "Haag" specimen. Its recovery down-range is > > consistent with aerial break-up scenarios and is probably the Campo del > > Cielo main mass. > > > > > > Another Note: > > > > The place where the "New Campos" are found is the same that the one of the > > "Old Campos". The difference is the "old" are near the surface, so them > > intensely undergone the effects of the meteorization, mainly the humidity. > > The "new" are deeper so that them could conserve its regmagliptes and have > a > > greater stability. The "New Campos" began to appear when the zone was > > released with powerful metal detectors. Previously the especímentes were > > found on the surface or raised when the fields were plowed. > > The Campo del Cielo strewn field has 45km by 15km. But it has an area of > > approximately 1500 hectares where the greater concentration is verified. > > Many authors affirm that the strewn field reaches 80 km, because stories > > exist on the denominated "Mesón de Fierro", probably situated 70 km to the > > NE of the main site. But until today it was not verified. > > *** > > > > I hope you found this information to be as interesting as I did, > > > > Adam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted?
Interesting, but what is the point? Are you making a point? Why are you worried about Campo now? Any why post "emails" with no authors. If people are not willing to post their names, regardless of the info, I think anything they write is worthless. I dont really care, as I have been sold out of Campos for years, but still, this is an odd discussion you are making. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 9:52 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted? > Dear List, > > I would like to thank those who responded to my inquiry about old versus new > Campos. I am looking to explore new areas and thought this locality might > have been worth investigating but have since changed my mind. Below are a > set of responses that best address this issue. The authors would like to > remain anonymous so I left their names out. > > *** > Email #1 > > Your "well informed source" is correct on both counts. Illegal exportation > and there are no mountainside finds. The terrain is basically flat and the > strewn field is shorter and wider than presented in Cassiday's various > papers. The reports of a specimen recovery 70-80 km down-range are repeated, > but have never been evidenced. The difference between 'new' and 'old' Campos > is the depth of recovery. Cassiday's specimens recovered 1962-73 are both > 'new' and 'old'. Recovered at depth within the craters are 'new'; those > recovered from surface ejecta or from farmers' fields are 'old'. Repeated > irrigation and the use of fertilizers has taken its toll. Cassiday used a > WW2 metal detector in his search. With the increasing demand by collectors - > beginning about 1989 - much more powerful detectors are being used in > recovery; the deeper recoveries being more stable. Not all of the 'new' > specimens are stable as some specimens continue to be found at shallow > depths. The extremely flat surface of the region is subject to sheet > deposition 1-2 cm/100 yr (think Kansas). Runoff is limited to shallow > depressions and occasional shallow channels; the slopes of which might be > miss translated as mountain-sides. > > The pre-entry meteoroid is estimated to be ~ 3 m in diameter and masses ~ > 840,000 kg (Lieberman, et al., in MAPS Feb 2002) and suggests that many more > specimens will be smuggled out in the coming years. > > Other than the variously published photos by Cassidy et, al. I was only able > to locate photos of the "Haag" specimen. Its recovery down-range is > consistent with aerial break-up scenarios and is probably the Campo del > Cielo main mass. > > > Another Note: > > The place where the "New Campos" are found is the same that the one of the > "Old Campos". The difference is the "old" are near the surface, so them > intensely undergone the effects of the meteorization, mainly the humidity. > The "new" are deeper so that them could conserve its regmagliptes and have a > greater stability. The "New Campos" began to appear when the zone was > released with powerful metal detectors. Previously the especímentes were > found on the surface or raised when the fields were plowed. > The Campo del Cielo strewn field has 45km by 15km. But it has an area of > approximately 1500 hectares where the greater concentration is verified. > Many authors affirm that the strewn field reaches 80 km, because stories > exist on the denominated "Mesón de Fierro", probably situated 70 km to the > NE of the main site. But until today it was not verified. > *** > > I hope you found this information to be as interesting as I did, > > Adam > > > > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted?
Dear List, I would like to thank those who responded to my inquiry about old versus new Campos. I am looking to explore new areas and thought this locality might have been worth investigating but have since changed my mind. Below are a set of responses that best address this issue. The authors would like to remain anonymous so I left their names out. *** Email #1 Your "well informed source" is correct on both counts. Illegal exportation and there are no mountainside finds. The terrain is basically flat and the strewn field is shorter and wider than presented in Cassiday's various papers. The reports of a specimen recovery 70-80 km down-range are repeated, but have never been evidenced. The difference between 'new' and 'old' Campos is the depth of recovery. Cassiday's specimens recovered 1962-73 are both 'new' and 'old'. Recovered at depth within the craters are 'new'; those recovered from surface ejecta or from farmers' fields are 'old'. Repeated irrigation and the use of fertilizers has taken its toll. Cassiday used a WW2 metal detector in his search. With the increasing demand by collectors - beginning about 1989 - much more powerful detectors are being used in recovery; the deeper recoveries being more stable. Not all of the 'new' specimens are stable as some specimens continue to be found at shallow depths. The extremely flat surface of the region is subject to sheet deposition 1-2 cm/100 yr (think Kansas). Runoff is limited to shallow depressions and occasional shallow channels; the slopes of which might be miss translated as mountain-sides. The pre-entry meteoroid is estimated to be ~ 3 m in diameter and masses ~ 840,000 kg (Lieberman, et al., in MAPS Feb 2002) and suggests that many more specimens will be smuggled out in the coming years. Other than the variously published photos by Cassidy et, al. I was only able to locate photos of the "Haag" specimen. Its recovery down-range is consistent with aerial break-up scenarios and is probably the Campo del Cielo main mass. Another Note: The place where the "New Campos" are found is the same that the one of the "Old Campos". The difference is the "old" are near the surface, so them intensely undergone the effects of the meteorization, mainly the humidity. The "new" are deeper so that them could conserve its regmagliptes and have a greater stability. The "New Campos" began to appear when the zone was released with powerful metal detectors. Previously the especímentes were found on the surface or raised when the fields were plowed. The Campo del Cielo strewn field has 45km by 15km. But it has an area of approximately 1500 hectares where the greater concentration is verified. Many authors affirm that the strewn field reaches 80 km, because stories exist on the denominated "Mesón de Fierro", probably situated 70 km to the NE of the main site. But until today it was not verified. *** I hope you found this information to be as interesting as I did, Adam __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Campo Versus Old Campo?
Dear List, I was told by a well informed source that there is no such thing as Campos found on a mountain side (New Campos) because the strewnfield is flat. He also stated that 99% of all Campos were exported without permission. My questions are: Does anybody have any images of a "New Campo" in situ? Is the found on a mountain side statement true? If the mountain side statement is true, which mountain so that it can be referenced? Just Curious, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] "New" Campo del Cielo data sought
Hi list Reason for the question: I am a co-author of the paper "Myth and catastrophic reality: Using cosmogonic mythology to identify cosmic impacts and massive plinian eruptions in Holocene South America." A invited presentation for the symposium, "Myth and Geology," 32nd Geological Congress, to be submitted later this month in Florence, Italy THE QUESTION: Can anyone with direct knowledge confirm these 1999-recent recoveries were made within the 80 km strewn field identified in: Cassidy W A, Villar L M, Bunch T E, Kohman T P, Milton D J, 1965. Meteorites and craters of Campo del Cielo, Argentina. Science, Vol 149, No. 3688, 1055-1064? If outside the known field an approximate distance would be appreciated. Thank you, Michael J Masse __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] new campo
I have 1664 grams of the "new " campo for trade! I have pics of it. Let me know if interested. It is a thing of beauty, no rust at all. steve arnold, chicago!!! = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 The Midwest Meteorite Collector! Website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo TKW
Several thousand kilos. - Original Message - From: Robert Cucchiara To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 10:28 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] New Campo TKW Hi list, Can anyone tell me the TKW of the New Campos. Thanks Bob
RE: [meteorite-list] New Campo TKW
it changes weekly. matt -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Robert CucchiaraSent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 11:28 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [meteorite-list] New Campo TKW Hi list, Can anyone tell me the TKW of the New Campos. Thanks Bob
[meteorite-list] New Campo TKW
Hi list, Can anyone tell me the TKW of the New Campos. Thanks Bob
