[meteorite-list] Scale Cubes

[Greg Hupe]

Hello Kevin,

There are also 1-inch ones that NASA uses. The typical ones used in the 
collector community are 1cm square.


The N,S,E,W,T,B are directional references for photographing specimens. 
T=Top, B=Bottom, N=North, E=East...so on. What I typically do before I cut 
something rare is to choose a side of the stone that I want as the 'Top' and 
'North'(usually first image towards camera) I then turn the stone 90 degrees 
in one direction along with the cube turned same way. If you want an image 
of the bottom of the item, flip it over and flip the cube over the same way. 
A little hard to describe in words, but I hope I explained it well enough.


Best Regards,
Greg


Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
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1 centimeter

Eric


On 2/26/2011 10:50 AM, m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote:
I was told they respresent directions. So if you show the N, rotate the 
piece 180 you would then show the S, and so forth.

Matt

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OK, this probble a stubid question but what are the dimensions of the 
little cubes that have an N on them for scale? The only thing that I can 
think of is Nanometer but that is way to small for

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Dear List,

As I continue to restructure my collection in favor of old falls, I am
making many nice collection pieces available. There are pieces from
Nininger, Dupont, rare falls and finds, and some scarce irons. Some have
painted numbers and old labels. If you would like a list of material
available please reply privately, off-list. I'm working on it now and 
should

have it ready soon.


Part 2: The biweekly plug for eBay auctions:

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A mix of everything - Historic, martian, falls, rare finds, many pieces
sitting at 99 cents. There's also a nice pair of Monnig Kaffir's with
sequential numbers! The starting bid on those was my cost from the Cureton
Collection many years ago.

Thanks and have a great weekend!


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Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 11:54:41 -0500
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Congrats Todd!  Another great find!

Sean

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Hi List,

I would like to congratulate Todd Parker on his new Arizona chondrite
discovery. I had the pleasure of hunting with Todd Parker and Larry 
Atkins

recently in the Arizona desert. While Larry and I were sitting on a hill
taking a water break with Brix, Larry's phone rang with a very excited
Todd on the other end. We could see him down below us, so we quickly
rushed over to see what he had found. We saw a beautiful chondrite in
situ. Todd was recording his find and preparing to take a photograph when
Brix ran up and gave the meteorite a sniff and a lick. Todd was the first
one to see the meteorite and Brix was the first (and only) one to lick 
it!

: ) It is a  30-40 gram chondrite with fusion crust and visible metal
flakes on on the broken end. It looks like Lawrence may have another
meteorite to classify from Arizona. Congratul

[meteorite-list] SCALE CUBES

[Sterling K. Webb]

Hi, List,

It seems that people are always looking for scale cubes.
When they become available, they sell out, then somebody
always complains they didn't get any.

So, I noticed that there are scale cubes on eBay again,
and I pass the good news along in case you're one of those
somebodies:
http://cgi.ebay.com/DMC-Meteorite-Photo-Scale-Cube_W0QQitemZ320193886854QQihZ011QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Nice looking aluminum cubes; IMCA member seller. (I
shill for free.)


Sterling K. Webb

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[meteorite-list] scale cubes????

[John higgins]

Hello list, 
I was just hoping that somebody had one extra cube that they would sell me, i 
saw 20 up for sale on e-bay the other day but i was outbid at the last second. 
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank You
John Higgins


  

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[meteorite-list] Scale Cubes

[David Freeman]

Dear List;
List member Peter Scherff has scale cubes (as seen in meteorite "as 
found" pictures"). For those wanting to increase their Karma at 
meteorite hunting, email Peter for getting your cubes today!  
A very satisfied repeat customer,
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[meteorite-list] Scale Cubes

[JKGwilliam]

Can anyone tell me where I can buy some of the one centimeter cubes used 
for scale in pictures?

Thanks in advance,
John Gwilliam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Scale Cubes

[Richard Kowalski]

--- On Mon, 3/15/10, Shawn Alan  wrote:

Sorry Shawn.

I vehemently disagree with you. If the scale is not specifically stated in the 
description, or more importantly in the image itself, you do not know and have 
absolutely no way to know that the scale cube is 1 cm. You can assume it, but 
you can't know.

Sterling linked to an image of an "true standard" NASA cube. Unfortunately 
there is NO scale on this cube either. It is widely known that these cubes are 
a 1 inch scale, but by your statement, you know that it is 1 cm.

Assumptions can be very dangerous, especially when you accept these assumptions 
as fact.

If a scale cube does not show the actual scale on it, having it in the photo 
for purposes of providing scale is practically worthless.

I've made my point so I won't bore everyone with extending this thread any 
further.

Back to work.

Cheers

Richard


  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Scale Cubes

[Greg Catterton]

This has been a good discussion.
The 1cm scale cubes I use do not have any markings on them to clearly show it 
to be 1cm.
I usually provide the information in listings and such, but after reading the 
posts, I think I am going to mark mine as 1cm to clearly show it in the picture.

Greg Catterton
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
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--- On Mon, 3/15/10, impact...@aol.com  wrote:

> From: impact...@aol.com 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scale Cubes [WAS: Ad Announcing the "Count" 
> cube Scale /...
> To: damoc...@yahoo.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 4:20 PM
> Richard and all,
>  
> I believe that one of the original uses was archaeology.
> When an archaeologist would find an artifact he wanted to
> take pictures 
> from all sides before digging out. So let's say it was a
> pot in a grave, he 
> would shot the north/south/east/west sides of the pot,
> turning the cube every 
> time so in later studies in a lab they would be able to
> recreate the tomb and 
> the exact position of each object. So it was not only for
> size but also for 
> exact angle/position of each artifact by itself and also in
> relation to all 
> the others. 
> 
> And I agree that a scale cube should show clearly what the
> scale is. Less 
> than honest sellers (on Ebay, for instance!) could be
> tempted to use one for 
> the other. Another reason why I don't believe we should use
> any coin or key, 
> oretc. Yes, we in the US know that a dime is 18 mm
> across, but we 
> should not expect someone on the other side of the globe to
> know that.
> 
> Just my 2mm.
>  
> Anne M. Black
> _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) 
> _impact...@aol.com_
> (mailto:impact...@aol.com)
> 
> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) 
> 
> 
> In a message dated 3/15/2010 2:32:37 AM Mountain Daylight
> Time, 
> damoc...@yahoo.com
> writes:
> Shawn, Matt,
> 
> If I'm not mistaken, the scale cube was invented
> specifically for the lunar 
> samples brought back by the Apollo missions.
> 
> Obviously, the idea behind using a scale cube is just that,
> to show the 
> scale of the object in the photograph.
> 
> I agree that for good scientific reasons, a scale cube in
> some metric 
> measurement makes the most sense. A cubic centimeter is
> most common, but why not 
> a cubic decimeter or a cubic meter, if those are
> appropriately sized for the 
> object? I have no problem with any sized scale cube as long
> as the 
> dimension is clearly marked and visible in the photograph.
> 1-cm, 1 inch, no matter. 
> There is no "standard" so to speak. The key is to use
> something of the 
> appropriate scale for the object being photographed...
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Scale Cubes

[Dave Schultz]

  Just go to your local casino John, and get a set of
dices from the crap tables!!! ;)
   Dave



> Can anyone tell me where I can buy some of the one
> centimeter cubes used 
> for scale in pictures?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> John Gwilliam
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RE: [meteorite-list] Scale Cubes

[Matson, Robert]

Hi John,

> Can anyone tell me where I can buy some of the one centimeter
> cubes used for scale in pictures?

I assume you want the ones with the letters N, S, E, W, T, B
on them.  However, our own NahklaDog has some w/o compass
directions on them up on eBay right now:



With some self-sticking stencil letters, you could make your own
from these.  --Rob
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[meteorite-list] meteorite-list] Scale Cubes

[Shawn Alan]

Hi Richard, List

You just prove my point I was making with by changing the orientation cube size 
scale from cm to inches or to feet if you will from your statement
 
"Now the example you cite is ambiguous. I have no way of knowing if it is a 
1-cm cube or some other dimension because there is no scale on the scale cube. 
That is my gripe. For a scale cube to be truly useful it has to have the scale 
visible on it."
 
Richard that is true, the cited image is ambiguous and that's why I cited it, 
but again, the cm could be branded on a different side, and the side that was 
chosen was the  T side for top, that's why the cube is set up that way :). 
Also, We all know from when we see an orientation cube its rated at 1cm, a 
standard that has been done for awhile for referencing scale to an object with 
orientation cubes. Without keeping this scale uniform it makes orientation 
cubes useless with the other sides that don't have the cm scale in printed on 
it which can cause confusion.
 
Here are samples on eBay of orientation cubes used to give people perspective 
for scale.
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA--METEORITE-BLACK-CRUSTED-INDIVIDUAL-378-GRAMS_W0QQitemZ280478298335QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item414dcf30df
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/meteorite-ataxite-DRONINO-COMPLETE-slice-44-8-gr_W0QQitemZ150423645810QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2305f2ae72
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/Gao-Guenie-Oriented-Meteorite-17g-Individual_W0QQitemZ150423478353QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2305f02051
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/Campo-meteorite-etched-part-slice-18-5-grams_W0QQitemZ170458836710QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item27b0236ee6
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/Davy-A-Meteorite-L4-Chondrite-1940-Texas-USA_W0QQitemZ260568380216QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3cab15f338
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorites-ALH-A76009-NWA-4734-NWA-5511-Lot_W0QQitemZ150423073194QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_2?hash=item2305e9f1aa
 
 All these cubes are cm cube and some don't show the cm scale and one doesn't 
have any marking, but because there is a standard used with orientation cubes 
we know that the cube is a 1CM :)
 
Shawn Alan
 
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"Standard" 

I may be mistaken, but has there be a standard set? 

AFAIK, these are scale cubes, not standard cubes. 

Now the example you cite is ambiguous. I have no way of knowing if it is a 1-cm 
cube or some other dimension because there is no scale on the scale cube. That 
is my gripe. For a scale cube to be truly useful it has to have the scale 
visible on it. 

I really don't care of the actual size of a scale cube as long as the scale is 
visible in the image. 

For the Count's find (which I can say I'm green with envy about. Nice job 
Count!) A 1 cm cube would be, in my opinion too small a 1 decimeter cube, 
clearly marked as such, would be much more appropriate. 

I made the comment to Jeff Kuygen in a private email that a 1 meter scale cube 
would make more sense for a Hoba sized meteorite. Usually we use people to show 
the scale of this iron in situ. Can you imagine how ridiculous it would be to 
try to use a 1-cm scale cube to show Hoba's scale? 

No. Scale cubes show scale and the scale needs to be appropriate to the object. 

Cheers 

-- 
Richard Kowalski 
Full Moon Photography 
IMCA #1081 


--- On Mon, 3/15/10, Shawn Alan  wrote: 


> From: Shawn Alan  

> Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite-list] Scale Cubes [WAS: Ad Announcing the 
> "Count" cube Scale / Orientation cube] 

> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com 

> Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 1:59 AM 

> Richard Listers   

>   

> Hi when you have a chance click on this link on eBay 

> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280478300077&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
>  

>   

> It looks like this could be one of Tims cm wood cubes 

> (might I add I like the cm wood cubes he has done)? Well 

> that is what I would assume that its a cm cube because that 

> has been the set standard I have seen day in and day out 

> with orientation cubes. Now for argument sake, lets say 

> its a inch cube and the only reference I can go off of is 

> only the image and the cube with the T on it. By default, 

> I would assume its a cm size cube because that has been the 

> set standard. But in actuality its the inch cube, or who 

> knows, it could be 2.5 inch cube or 1.3 inch cube or a foot 

> cube.  

>   

> Now this can cause some confusion when peop

[meteorite-list] Scale cubes in centimeters

[Pierre-Marie PELE]

Hello to the List,

I'm searching for scale cubes but in centimeters scale.

Does anybody know where to buy some ?

Thanks a lot,

Pierre-Marie Pele
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Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite-list] Scale Cubes

[Richard Kowalski]

"Standard"

I may be mistaken, but has there be a standard set?

AFAIK, these are scale cubes, not standard cubes.

Now the example you cite is ambiguous. I have no way of knowing if it is a 1-cm 
cube or some other dimension because there is no scale on the scale cube. That 
is my gripe. For a scale cube to be truly useful it has to have the scale 
visible on it.

I really don't care of the actual size of a scale cube as long as the scale is 
visible in the image.

For the Count's find (which I can say I'm green with envy about. Nice job 
Count!) A 1 cm cube would be, in my opinion too small a 1 decimeter cube, 
clearly marked as such, would be much more appropriate.

I made the comment to Jeff Kuygen in a private email that a 1 meter scale cube 
would make more sense for a Hoba sized meteorite. Usually we use people to show 
the scale of this iron in situ. Can you imagine how ridiculous it would be to 
try to use a 1-cm scale cube to show Hoba's scale?

No. Scale cubes show scale and the scale needs to be appropriate to the object.

Cheers

--
Richard Kowalski
Full Moon Photography
IMCA #1081


--- On Mon, 3/15/10, Shawn Alan  wrote:

> From: Shawn Alan 
> Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite-list] Scale Cubes [WAS: Ad Announcing the 
> "Count" cube Scale / Orientation cube]
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 1:59 AM
> Richard Listers  
>  
> Hi when you have a chance click on this link on eBay
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280478300077&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
>  
> It looks like this could be one of Tims cm wood cubes
> (might I add I like the cm wood cubes he has done)? Well
> that is what I would assume that its a cm cube because that
> has been the set standard I have seen day in and day out
> with orientation cubes. Now for argument sake, lets say
> its a inch cube and the only reference I can go off of is
> only the image and the cube with the T on it. By default,
> I would assume its a cm size cube because that has been the
> set standard. But in actuality its the inch cube, or who
> knows, it could be 2.5 inch cube or 1.3 inch cube or a foot
> cube. 
>  
> Now this can cause some confusion when people use
> orientation cubes as a set standard for scale. When the
> scale changes in size the orientation cube has no use now
> when a new size is introduced or sizes. I like that he made
> the inch cube in celebration for Counts big find. I think it
> would have been more fitting and fun if he also branded the
> wooden cubes to say The Count Cube on every side to
> distinguish it from his cm wood cubes that he sells.
>  
> What might happen is people might  take the inch cube
> and use it as an orientation cube scale and this could
> cause confusion if you cant see the inch etched on one
> side in the cube because all of the other orientation cubes
> I have seen are cm, the standard that has been used. And
> also to take in consideration not all bidders on eBay are
> members on the Meteorite Central List.
>  
> Shawn Alan
>  
> 
> [meteorite-list] Scale Cubes [WAS: Ad Announcing the
> "Count" cube Scale / Orientation cube]Richard Kowalski
> damoclid at yahoo.com 
> Mon Mar 15 04:32:25 EDT 2010 
> 
> 
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> author ] 
> 
> Shawn, Matt, 
> 
> If I'm not mistaken, the scale cube was invented
> specifically for the lunar samples brought back by the
> Apollo missions. 
> 
> Obviously, the idea behind using a scale cube is just that,
> to show the scale of the object in the photograph. 
> 
> I agree that for good scientific reasons, a scale cube in
> some metric measurement makes the most sense. A cubic
> centimeter is most common, but why not a cubic decimeter or
> a cubic meter, if those are appropriately sized for the
> object? I have no problem with any sized scale cube as long
> as the dimension is clearly marked and visible in the
> photograph. 1-cm, 1 inch, no matter. There is no "standard"
> so to speak. The key is to use something of the appropriate
> scale for the object being photographed... 
> 
> I have no objection to using other objects too, again as
> long as they are easily identifiable. I might not know what
> the coin is, if one is being used for scale, but I
> immediately have a general idea how big is probably is. As
> long as I can unambiguously identify it in the photograph,
> that's all I need. If the image is poor and I can't
> determine exactly w

Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite-list] Scale Cubes

[Jeff Kuyken]

Yep... Richard and I both agreed that we want a specimen where a 1m cube is 
needed! ;-)


It's a personal thing really. 1cm has become the standard but 1inch has been 
used in the past. As long as it is clear I guess it does not matter too 
much. I personally prefer the 1cm cubes but Australia also switched to 
metric long before I was born so that's what I have also known. Here's a 
couple of interesting (and very nice) pics of two spectacular ~33kg 
individuals using a 1cm cube.


http://www.fallingrocks.com/Collections/NWA5439.htm

http://www.meteorite-recon.com/en/Meteoritensammlung.htm

For those wanting an update on my WC cubes there is a new prototype under 
way. I'll have to see how it goes before I know anything more.


Cheers,

Jeff

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Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 8:12 PM
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"Standard"

I may be mistaken, but has there be a standard set?

AFAIK, these are scale cubes, not standard cubes.

Now the example you cite is ambiguous. I have no way of knowing if it is a 
1-cm cube or some other dimension because there is no scale on the scale 
cube. That is my gripe. For a scale cube to be truly useful it has to have 
the scale visible on it.


I really don't care of the actual size of a scale cube as long as the scale 
is visible in the image.


For the Count's find (which I can say I'm green with envy about. Nice job 
Count!) A 1 cm cube would be, in my opinion too small a 1 decimeter cube, 
clearly marked as such, would be much more appropriate.


I made the comment to Jeff Kuygen in a private email that a 1 meter scale 
cube would make more sense for a Hoba sized meteorite. Usually we use people 
to show the scale of this iron in situ. Can you imagine how ridiculous it 
would be to try to use a 1-cm scale cube to show Hoba's scale?


No. Scale cubes show scale and the scale needs to be appropriate to the 
object.


Cheers

--
Richard Kowalski
Full Moon Photography
IMCA #1081


--- On Mon, 3/15/10, Shawn Alan  wrote:


From: Shawn Alan 
Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite-list] Scale Cubes [WAS: Ad Announcing 
the "Count" cube Scale / Orientation cube]

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 1:59 AM
Richard Listers

Hi when you have a chance click on this link on eBay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280478300077&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

It looks like this could be one of Tims cm wood cubes
(might I add I like the cm wood cubes he has done)? Well
that is what I would assume that its a cm cube because that
has been the set standard I have seen day in and day out
with orientation cubes. Now for argument sake, lets say
its a inch cube and the only reference I can go off of is
only the image and the cube with the T on it. By default,
I would assume its a cm size cube because that has been the
set standard. But in actuality its the inch cube, or who
knows, it could be 2.5 inch cube or 1.3 inch cube or a foot
cube.

Now this can cause some confusion when people use
orientation cubes as a set standard for scale. When the
scale changes in size the orientation cube has no use now
when a new size is introduced or sizes. I like that he made
the inch cube in celebration for Counts big find. I think it
would have been more fitting and fun if he also branded the
wooden cubes to say The Count Cube on every side to
distinguish it from his cm wood cubes that he sells.

What might happen is people might take the inch cube
and use it as an orientation cube scale and this could
cause confusion if you cant see the inch etched on one
side in the cube because all of the other orientation cubes
I have seen are cm, the standard that has been used. And
also to take in consideration not all bidders on eBay are
members on the Meteorite Central List.

Shawn Alan


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Shawn, Matt,

If I'm not mistaken, the scale cube was invented
specifically for the lunar samples brought back by the
Apollo missions.

Obviously, the idea behind using a scale cube is just that,
to show the scale of the object in the photograph.

I agree that for good scientific reasons, a scale cube in
some metric measurement makes the most sense. A cubic
centimeter is most common, but why not a cubic decimeter or
a cubic meter, if those are appropriately sized for the
object? I have no problem with any sized scale cube as long
as the dimension is clearly marked and visible in the
photograph. 

Re: [meteorite-list] Scale cubes in centimeters

[John Birdsell]

Hello Pierre-MarieDave Freeman recently posted the following source 
for scale cubes to the list. 

Cheers
-John & Dawn
Arizona Skies Meteorites

Dear List;
List member Peter Scherff has scale cubes (as seen in meteorite "as 
found" pictures"). For those wanting to increase their Karma at 
meteorite hunting, email Peter for getting your cubes today!  A very 
satisfied repeat customer,
Dave Freeman mjwy
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Pierre-Marie PELE wrote:
Hello to the List,
I'm searching for scale cubes but in centimeters scale.
Does anybody know where to buy some ?
Thanks a lot,
Pierre-Marie Pele
www.meteor-center.com
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[countdeiro]

Martin,

You are so droll...you naughty boy. Seien Sie vorsichtig oder der Mullahs wird 
ein Fatwah stellen, auf der Sie führen!

Count Deiro 

-Original Message-
>From: Martin Altmann 
>Sent: Mar 15, 2010 9:51 AM
>To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scale Cubes [WAS: Ad Announcing the "Count"  
>cube Scale / Orientation cube]
>
>A Meter cube for meteorites?
>
>Hmm exists:
>http://www.conservapedia.com/images/0/06/Kaaba.jpg
>
>Shht Captain, maths:
>The Bulletin database has listed 700 metric tons of meteorites.
>90% of them are iron meteorites. Let's say density 8grams/ccm.
>Rest shall be stones. 3.4g/ccm.
>How large have the dimensions of a cube to be, to house all meteoritic
>material,
>if they would be a solid block?
>
>Best!
>Martin
>
>
>-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
>Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
>[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael
>Blood
>Gesendet: Montag, 15. März 2010 12:54
>An: Richard Kowalski; Meteorite List
>Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Scale Cubes [WAS: Ad Announcing the "Count"
>cube Scale / Orientation cube]
>
>Hi Richard and list,
>Only the US, Burma and one other small country use the inches
>And feet scale. The entire scientific community uses the metric scale.
>1 CM cube is the only size I have ever seen - it would seem a Meter
>Cube may be useful under some circumstance, but very few of the
>World's meteorites would warrant such.
>Best wishes, Michael
>
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Scale Cubes used by the Smithsonian Institution

[Richard Kowalski]

Sorry all. Just one more.

Shawn, just because the Smithsonian does it doesn't make it correct.
A scale cube, or scale whatever, is just that. To show the scale of the object. 
If you don't see the scale's measurement, you have no way on knowing what the 
scale is. Again. You can assume what it is, but you don't know.

My previous sentences were incomplete. I should not have said the cubes did not 
have the scale on them. I meant that the scale must be visible in the 
photograph. Without it, having it in the image is worth almost as much as not 
having one in the image at all.

My point here is that the object itself is what is important, not the scale, be 
it a cube or anything else. It is simply there to let the viewer know the 
scale. You can only assume you know the scale if the marking is not visible. 
You may be correct, maybe most of the time, but the assumption that every cube 
is 1cm is wrong and a photo that has a scale cube in it that does not show the 
scale shows the photographer failed to use the cube properly. To accurately and 
completely show the scale of the object being photographed with no ambiguity.

Less than an hour before dawn. Crunch time.

Cheers

--
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Full Moon Photography
IMCA #1081



  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Scale Cubes used by the Smithsonian Institution

[Mark Bowling]

Hey all,

I typically use a 6" scale ruler with inches/centimeters in my photos.  But 
that's clunky sometimes, e.g. when you need to prop it up when getting side 
shots.  I have one of the new cubes from down under which I will be working 
with from now off I think.  

Great points Richard - the important part is to communicate the relative size 
of something, not the object you use.  And if the scale isn't marked, you can 
only assume.  There have been 1" cubes used in the past, so you can never 
assume what is being used in a poorly prepared photo.  And interesting that you 
mention dice.  My brother manufacturers dice from 5mm up to 50mm in size and 
lots of non-standard sizes in between (mixes of imperial and SI units).  Some 
have sharp edges and some rounded (the latter are difficult to use b/c they are 
difficult to judge from a photo).  So if you use dice, measure them and scratch 
the size into the faces of the die.

Clear skies,
Mark B.
Vail, AZ



- Original Message 
From: Richard Kowalski 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Mon, March 15, 2010 4:40:10 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scale Cubes used by the Smithsonian Institution

Sorry all. Just one more.

Shawn, just because the Smithsonian does it doesn't make it correct.
A scale cube, or scale whatever, is just that. To show the scale of the object. 
If you don't see the scale's measurement, you have no way on knowing what the 
scale is. Again. You can assume what it is, but you don't know.

My previous sentences were incomplete. I should not have said the cubes did not 
have the scale on them. I meant that the scale must be visible in the 
photograph. Without it, having it in the image is worth almost as much as not 
having one in the image at all.

My point here is that the object itself is what is important, not the scale, be 
it a cube or anything else. It is simply there to let the viewer know the 
scale. You can only assume you know the scale if the marking is not visible. 
You may be correct, maybe most of the time, but the assumption that every cube 
is 1cm is wrong and a photo that has a scale cube in it that does not show the 
scale shows the photographer failed to use the cube properly. To accurately and 
completely show the scale of the object being photographed with no ambiguity.

Less than an hour before dawn. Crunch time.

Cheers

--
Richard Kowalski
Full Moon Photography
IMCA #1081



      
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Re: [meteorite-list] Scale Cubes used by the Smithsonian Institution

[Dennis Miller]

Hell All.. I use a GSA photo scale for some field photos and use
in some photos of larger specimens in my collection.  These are 
available from the GSA in packs of ten. http://www.geosociety.org/
Speaking of the GSA, it would be a great time for all meteorite 
collectors and hunters to join the Geological Society of America.
This organization helps establish rules for public land use. They
are having their Annual elections.  The new Pres. will be JoaQuin Ruiz,
Dean of Geo Science at U of Az, new VP will be John Geissman, Prof.
of Earth & Planetary Science at U of NM and the Tres. will be
Jon Price, Director of Geology at U of Nev.  These gentlemen are
running unopposed.  As members, one can suggest policy changes to
the laws for public lands. We could hopefully get some great support
from these folks removing the idea that meteorites are antiquities.
Check out Policycom.wikidot.com 
And in closing, please don't start the land law debate again!
Love You All!
Dennis MIller 
 . 
> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:56:12 -0700
> From: mina...@yahoo.com
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scale Cubes used by the Smithsonian Institution
>
> Hey all,
>
> I typically use a 6" scale ruler with inches/centimeters in my photos. But 
> that's clunky sometimes, e.g. when you need to prop it up when getting side 
> shots. I have one of the new cubes from down under which I will be working 
> with from now off I think.
>
> Great points Richard - the important part is to communicate the relative size 
> of something, not the object you use. And if the scale isn't marked, you can 
> only assume. There have been 1" cubes used in the past, so you can never 
> assume what is being used in a poorly prepared photo. And interesting that 
> you mention dice. My brother manufacturers dice from 5mm up to 50mm in size 
> and lots of non-standard sizes in between (mixes of imperial and SI units). 
> Some have sharp edges and some rounded (the latter are difficult to use b/c 
> they are difficult to judge from a photo). So if you use dice, measure them 
> and scratch the size into the faces of the die.
>
> Clear skies,
> Mark B.
> Vail, AZ
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Richard Kowalski 
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Mon, March 15, 2010 4:40:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scale Cubes used by the Smithsonian Institution
>
> Sorry all. Just one more.
>
> Shawn, just because the Smithsonian does it doesn't make it correct.
> A scale cube, or scale whatever, is just that. To show the scale of the 
> object. If you don't see the scale's measurement, you have no way on knowing 
> what the scale is. Again. You can assume what it is, but you don't know.
>
> My previous sentences were incomplete. I should not have said the cubes did 
> not have the scale on them. I meant that the scale must be visible in the 
> photograph. Without it, having it in the image is worth almost as much as not 
> having one in the image at all.
>
> My point here is that the object itself is what is important, not the scale, 
> be it a cube or anything else. It is simply there to let the viewer know the 
> scale. You can only assume you know the scale if the marking is not visible. 
> You may be correct, maybe most of the time, but the assumption that every 
> cube is 1cm is wrong and a photo that has a scale cube in it that does not 
> show the scale shows the photographer failed to use the cube properly. To 
> accurately and completely show the scale of the object being photographed 
> with no ambiguity.
>
> Less than an hour before dawn. Crunch time.
>
> Cheers
>
> --
> Richard Kowalski
> Full Moon Photography
> IMCA #1081
>
>
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Scale Cubes used by the Smithsonian Institution

[Mark Bowling]

Those are very nice photo scales Dennis!  Thanks

http://www.geosociety.org/bookstore/default.asp?oID=0&catID=4&pID=PTS002

And great idea - I will look into joining (and I will keep quiet about land 
access). o(;?-D

Mark B.
Vail, AZ



- Original Message 
From: Dennis Miller 
To: mina...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Mon, March 15, 2010 10:05:58 AM
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Scale Cubes used by the Smithsonian Institution


Hell All.. I use a GSA photo scale for some field photos and use
in some photos of larger specimens in my collection.  These are 
available from the GSA in packs of ten. http://www.geosociety.org/
Speaking of the GSA, it would be a great time for all meteorite 
collectors and hunters to join the Geological Society of America.
This organization helps establish rules for public land use. They
are having their Annual elections.  The new Pres. will be JoaQuin Ruiz,
Dean of Geo Science at U of Az, new VP will be John Geissman, Prof.
of Earth & Planetary Science at U of NM and the Tres. will be
Jon Price, Director of Geology at U of Nev.  These gentlemen are
running unopposed.  As members, one can suggest policy changes to
the laws for public lands. We could hopefully get some great support
from these folks removing the idea that meteorites are antiquities.
Check out Policycom.wikidot.com 
And in closing, please don't start the land law debate again!
Love You All!
Dennis MIller 
. 
> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:56:12 -0700
> From: mina...@yahoo.com
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scale Cubes used by the Smithsonian Institution
>
> Hey all,
>
> I typically use a 6" scale ruler with inches/centimeters in my photos. But 
> that's clunky sometimes, e.g. when you need to prop it up when getting side 
> shots. I have one of the new cubes from down under which I will be working 
> with from now off I think.
>
> Great points Richard - the important part is to communicate the relative size 
> of something, not the object you use. And if the scale isn't marked, you can 
> only assume. There have been 1" cubes used in the past, so you can never 
> assume what is being used in a poorly prepared photo. And interesting that 
> you mention dice. My brother manufacturers dice from 5mm up to 50mm in size 
> and lots of non-standard sizes in between (mixes of imperial and SI units). 
> Some have sharp edges and some rounded (the latter are difficult to use b/c 
> they are difficult to judge from a photo). So if you use dice, measure them 
> and scratch the size into the faces of the die.
>
> Clear skies,
> Mark B.
> Vail, AZ
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Richard Kowalski 
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Mon, March 15, 2010 4:40:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scale Cubes used by the Smithsonian Institution
>
> Sorry all. Just one more.
>
> Shawn, just because the Smithsonian does it doesn't make it correct.
> A scale cube, or scale whatever, is just that. To show the scale of the 
> object. If you don't see the scale's measurement, you have no way on knowing 
> what the scale is. Again. You can assume what it is, but you don't know.
>
> My previous sentences were incomplete. I should not have said the cubes did 
> not have the scale on them. I meant that the scale must be visible in the 
> photograph. Without it, having it in the image is worth almost as much as not 
> having one in the image at all.
>
> My point here is that the object itself is what is important, not the scale, 
> be it a cube or anything else. It is simply there to let the viewer know the 
> scale. You can only assume you know the scale if the marking is not visible. 
> You may be correct, maybe most of the time, but the assumption that every 
> cube is 1cm is wrong and a photo that has a scale cube in it that does not 
> show the scale shows the photographer failed to use the cube properly. To 
> accurately and completely show the scale of the object being photographed 
> with no ambiguity.
>
> Less than an hour before dawn. Crunch time.
>
> Cheers
>
> --
> Richard Kowalski
> Full Moon Photography
> IMCA #1081
>
>
>
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[Shawn Alan]

Sorry Richard,
 
I also strongly disagree with you. If you may, please get out your copy of 
Rocks from Space and turn to page 320. As you can see there is an image 
provided by the Smithsonian Institution where they are using a orientation cube 
and you can see the letter E, but you cant see the scale size because its on a 
different side of the cube. Now because there has been a set standard used 
with orientation cubes we know its a 1cm and that's why the Smithsonian 
Institution used the orientation cube as a reference for scale. 
 
Thank you 
Shawn Alan
 
 
 
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--- On Mon, 3/15/10, Shawn Alan  wrote: 

Sorry Shawn. 

I vehemently disagree with you. If the scale is not specifically stated in the 
description, or more importantly in the image itself, you do not know and have 
absolutely no way to know that the scale cube is 1 cm. You can assume it, but 
you can't know. 

Sterling linked to an image of an "true standard" NASA cube. Unfortunately 
there is NO scale on this cube either. It is widely known that these cubes are 
a 1 inch scale, but by your statement, you know that it is 1 cm. 

Assumptions can be very dangerous, especially when you accept these assumptions 
as fact. 

If a scale cube does not show the actual scale on it, having it in the photo 
for purposes of providing scale is practically worthless. 

I've made my point so I won't bore everyone with extending this thread any 
further. 

Back to work. 

Cheers 

Richard 







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Hi Richard, List 

You just prove my point I was making with by changing the orientation cube size 
scale from cm to inches or to feet if you will from your statement 
  
"Now the example you cite is ambiguous. I have no way of knowing if it is a 
1-cm cube or some other dimension because there is no scale on the scale cube. 
That is my gripe. For a scale cube to be truly useful it has to have the scale 
visible on it." 
  
Richard that is true, the cited image is ambiguous and that's why I cited it, 
but again, the cm could be branded on a different side, and the side that was 
chosen was the  T side for top, that's why the cube is set up that way :). 
Also, We all know from when we see an orientation cube its rated at 1cm, a 
standard that has been done for awhile for referencing scale to an object with 
orientation cubes. Without keeping this scale uniform it makes orientation 
cubes useless with the other sides that don't have the cm scale in printed on 
it which can cause confusion. 
  
Here are samples on eBay of orientation cubes used to give people perspective 
for scale. 
  
http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA--METEORITE-BLACK-CRUSTED-INDIVIDUAL-378-GRAMS_W0QQitemZ280478298335QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item414dcf30df
 
  
http://cgi.ebay.com/meteorite-ataxite-DRONINO-COMPLETE-slice-44-8-gr_W0QQitemZ150423645810QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2305f2ae72
 
  
http://cgi.ebay.com/Gao-Guenie-Oriented-Meteorite-17g-Individual_W0QQitemZ150423478353QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2305f02051
 
  
http://cgi.ebay.com/Campo-meteorite-etched-part-slice-18-5-grams_W0QQitemZ170458836710QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item27b0236ee6
 
  
http://cgi.ebay.com/Davy-A-Meteorite-L4-Chondrite-1940-Texas-USA_W0QQitemZ260568380216QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3cab15f338
 
  
http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorites-ALH-A76009-NWA-4734-NWA-5511-Lot_W0QQitemZ150423073194QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_2?hash=item2305e9f1aa
 
  
 All these cubes are cm cube and some don't show the cm scale and one doesn't 
have any marking, but because there is a standard used with orientation cubes 
we know that the cube is a 1CM :) 
  
Shawn Alan 
  
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[Impactika]

Richard and all,
 
I believe that one of the original uses was archaeology.
When an archaeologist would find an artifact he wanted to take pictures 
from all sides before digging out. So let's say it was a pot in a grave, he 
would shot the north/south/east/west sides of the pot, turning the cube every 
time so in later studies in a lab they would be able to recreate the tomb and 
the exact position of each object. So it was not only for size but also for 
exact angle/position of each artifact by itself and also in relation to all 
the others. 

And I agree that a scale cube should show clearly what the scale is. Less 
than honest sellers (on Ebay, for instance!) could be tempted to use one for 
the other. Another reason why I don't believe we should use any coin or key, 
oretc. Yes, we in the US know that a dime is 18 mm across, but we 
should not expect someone on the other side of the globe to know that.

Just my 2mm.
 
Anne M. Black
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In a message dated 3/15/2010 2:32:37 AM Mountain Daylight Time, 
damoc...@yahoo.com writes:
Shawn, Matt,

If I'm not mistaken, the scale cube was invented specifically for the lunar 
samples brought back by the Apollo missions.

Obviously, the idea behind using a scale cube is just that, to show the 
scale of the object in the photograph.

I agree that for good scientific reasons, a scale cube in some metric 
measurement makes the most sense. A cubic centimeter is most common, but why 
not 
a cubic decimeter or a cubic meter, if those are appropriately sized for the 
object? I have no problem with any sized scale cube as long as the 
dimension is clearly marked and visible in the photograph. 1-cm, 1 inch, no 
matter. 
There is no "standard" so to speak. The key is to use something of the 
appropriate scale for the object being photographed...


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[Richard Kowalski]

Shawn, Matt,

If I'm not mistaken, the scale cube was invented specifically for the lunar 
samples brought back by the Apollo missions.

Obviously, the idea behind using a scale cube is just that, to show the scale 
of the object in the photograph.

I agree that for good scientific reasons, a scale cube in some metric 
measurement makes the most sense. A cubic centimeter is most common, but why 
not a cubic decimeter or a cubic meter, if those are appropriately sized for 
the object? I have no problem with any sized scale cube as long as the 
dimension is clearly marked and visible in the photograph. 1-cm, 1 inch, no 
matter. There is no "standard" so to speak. The key is to use something of the 
appropriate scale for the object being photographed...

I have no objection to using other objects too, again as long as they are 
easily identifiable. I might not know what the coin is, if one is being used 
for scale, but I immediately have a general idea how big is probably is. As 
long as I can unambiguously identify it in the photograph, that's all I need. 
If the image is poor and I can't determine exactly what coin it is, much less 
the country of origin, much of the value of using that coin for scale is lost.

Most car keys are about the same size and have been for a very long time... Put 
them next to your rocks. I'll have some idea how big they are.

Something that REALLY bothers me is something ambiguous, like dice. They all 
look the same and come in many different sizes. Even the standard ones have no 
markings that tell you they are standard size, or some other size. If you see 
them in a photograph, is it a standard die, a small one from a board game or is 
it a huge novelty die from a game show??

I can assume it is a standard die or close to it and get a general scale of the 
object. The same goes for the plastic 1-cm cubes you see in photos that have no 
scale marked on them. By the weight of the object you can guess the cube is 
1-cm, but it's really a bad idea not to include the actual size of your scale 
on your scale object, no matter what size it is!

Cheers

--
Richard Kowalski
Full Moon Photography
IMCA #1081


  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Scale Cubes [WAS: Ad Announcing the "Count" cube Scale / Orientation cube]

[Michael Blood]

Hi Richard and list,
Only the US, Burma and one other small country use the inches
And feet scale. The entire scientific community uses the metric scale.
1 CM cube is the only size I have ever seen - it would seem a Meter
Cube may be useful under some circumstance, but very few of the
World's meteorites would warrant such.
Best wishes, Michael


On 3/15/10 1:32 AM, "Richard Kowalski"  wrote:

> Shawn, Matt,
> 
> If I'm not mistaken, the scale cube was invented specifically for the lunar
> samples brought back by the Apollo missions.
> 
> Obviously, the idea behind using a scale cube is just that, to show the scale
> of the object in the photograph.
> 
> I agree that for good scientific reasons, a scale cube in some metric
> measurement makes the most sense. A cubic centimeter is most common, but why
> not a cubic decimeter or a cubic meter, if those are appropriately sized for
> the object? I have no problem with any sized scale cube as long as the
> dimension is clearly marked and visible in the photograph. 1-cm, 1 inch, no
> matter. There is no "standard" so to speak. The key is to use something of the
> appropriate scale for the object being photographed...
> 
> I have no objection to using other objects too, again as long as they are
> easily identifiable. I might not know what the coin is, if one is being used
> for scale, but I immediately have a general idea how big is probably is. As
> long as I can unambiguously identify it in the photograph, that's all I need.
> If the image is poor and I can't determine exactly what coin it is, much less
> the country of origin, much of the value of using that coin for scale is lost.
> 
> Most car keys are about the same size and have been for a very long time...
> Put them next to your rocks. I'll have some idea how big they are.
> 
> Something that REALLY bothers me is something ambiguous, like dice. They all
> look the same and come in many different sizes. Even the standard ones have no
> markings that tell you they are standard size, or some other size. If you see
> them in a photograph, is it a standard die, a small one from a board game or
> is it a huge novelty die from a game show??
> 
> I can assume it is a standard die or close to it and get a general scale of
> the object. The same goes for the plastic 1-cm cubes you see in photos that
> have no scale marked on them. By the weight of the object you can guess the
> cube is 1-cm, but it's really a bad idea not to include the actual size of
> your scale on your scale object, no matter what size it is!
> 
> Cheers
> 
> --
> Richard Kowalski
> Full Moon Photography
> IMCA #1081
> 
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Scale Cubes [WAS: Ad Announcing the "Count" cube Scale / Orientation cube]

[Martin Altmann]

A Meter cube for meteorites?

Hmm exists:
http://www.conservapedia.com/images/0/06/Kaaba.jpg

Shht Captain, maths:
The Bulletin database has listed 700 metric tons of meteorites.
90% of them are iron meteorites. Let's say density 8grams/ccm.
Rest shall be stones. 3.4g/ccm.
How large have the dimensions of a cube to be, to house all meteoritic
material,
if they would be a solid block?

Best!
Martin


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael
Blood
Gesendet: Montag, 15. März 2010 12:54
An: Richard Kowalski; Meteorite List
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Scale Cubes [WAS: Ad Announcing the "Count"
cube Scale / Orientation cube]

Hi Richard and list,
Only the US, Burma and one other small country use the inches
And feet scale. The entire scientific community uses the metric scale.
1 CM cube is the only size I have ever seen - it would seem a Meter
Cube may be useful under some circumstance, but very few of the
World's meteorites would warrant such.
Best wishes, Michael



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Re: [meteorite-list] Scale Cubes [WAS: Ad Announcing the "Count" cube Scale / Orientation cube

[Mexicodoug]

Hi Martin,

Your estimates give an average density of 7.54 g/cm3 (7.54 ton/m3) for 
the whole kit and kaboodle.


That's about 93 cubic meters of 'rites which compacted, theoretically 
makes a cube with a sides of 4.5 meters.


That is double the size of my bedroom ... just to find an adamant 
baling press - a car crusher machine like in the movies that turns them 
into cubes - during collectors', treasure hunters', scientists' and 
bureaucrats' rioting and protests.

Best wishes
Doug


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To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:51 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scale Cubes [WAS: Ad Announcing the 
"Count" cube Scale / Orientation cube]



A Meter cube for meteorites?

Hmm exists:
http://www.conservapedia.com/images/0/06/Kaaba.jpg

Shht Captain, maths:
The Bulletin database has listed 700 metric tons of meteorites.
90% of them are iron meteorites. Let's say density 8grams/ccm.
Rest shall be stones. 3.4g/ccm.
How large have the dimensions of a cube to be, to house all meteoritic
material,
if they would be a solid block?

Best!
Martin


-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von 
Michael

Blood
Gesendet: Montag, 15. März 2010 12:54
An: Richard Kowalski; Meteorite List
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Scale Cubes [WAS: Ad Announcing the 
"Count"

cube Scale / Orientation cube]

Hi Richard and list,
Only the US, Burma and one other small country use the inches
And feet scale. The entire scientific community uses the metric scale.
1 CM cube is the only size I have ever seen - it would seem a Meter
Cube may be useful under some circumstance, but very few of the
World's meteorites would warrant such.
Best wishes, Michael



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[meteorite-list] meteorite-list] Scale Cubes [WAS: Ad Announcing the "Count" cube Scale / Orientation cube]

[Shawn Alan]

Richard Listers  
 
Hi when you have a chance click on this link on eBay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280478300077&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
 
It looks like this could be one of Tims cm wood cubes (might I add I like the 
cm wood cubes he has done)? Well that is what I would assume that its a cm 
cube because that has been the set standard I have seen day in and day out with 
orientation cubes. Now for argument sake, lets say its a inch cube and the only 
reference I can go off of is only the image and the cube with the T on it. By 
default, I would assume its a cm size cube because that has been the set 
standard. But in actuality its the inch cube, or who knows, it could be 2.5 
inch cube or 1.3 inch cube or a foot cube. 
 
Now this can cause some confusion when people use orientation cubes as a set 
standard for scale. When the scale changes in size the orientation cube has no 
use now when a new size is introduced or sizes. I like that he made the inch 
cube in celebration for Counts big find. I think it would have been more 
fitting and fun if he also branded the wooden cubes to say The Count Cube on 
every side to distinguish it from his cm wood cubes that he sells.
 
What might happen is people might  take the inch cube and use it as an 
orientation cube scale and this could cause confusion if you cant see the inch 
etched on one side in the cube because all of the other orientation cubes I 
have seen are cm, the standard that has been used. And also to take in 
consideration not all bidders on eBay are members on the Meteorite Central List.
 
Shawn Alan
 

[meteorite-list] Scale Cubes [WAS: Ad Announcing the "Count" cube Scale / 
Orientation cube]Richard Kowalski damoclid at yahoo.com 
Mon Mar 15 04:32:25 EDT 2010 


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Shawn, Matt, 

If I'm not mistaken, the scale cube was invented specifically for the lunar 
samples brought back by the Apollo missions. 

Obviously, the idea behind using a scale cube is just that, to show the scale 
of the object in the photograph. 

I agree that for good scientific reasons, a scale cube in some metric 
measurement makes the most sense. A cubic centimeter is most common, but why 
not a cubic decimeter or a cubic meter, if those are appropriately sized for 
the object? I have no problem with any sized scale cube as long as the 
dimension is clearly marked and visible in the photograph. 1-cm, 1 inch, no 
matter. There is no "standard" so to speak. The key is to use something of the 
appropriate scale for the object being photographed... 

I have no objection to using other objects too, again as long as they are 
easily identifiable. I might not know what the coin is, if one is being used 
for scale, but I immediately have a general idea how big is probably is. As 
long as I can unambiguously identify it in the photograph, that's all I need. 
If the image is poor and I can't determine exactly what coin it is, much less 
the country of origin, much of the value of using that coin for scale is lost. 

Most car keys are about the same size and have been for a very long time... Put 
them next to your rocks. I'll have some idea how big they are. 

Something that REALLY bothers me is something ambiguous, like dice. They all 
look the same and come in many different sizes. Even the standard ones have no 
markings that tell you they are standard size, or some other size. If you see 
them in a photograph, is it a standard die, a small one from a board game or is 
it a huge novelty die from a game show?? 

I can assume it is a standard die or close to it and get a general scale of the 
object. The same goes for the plastic 1-cm cubes you see in photos that have no 
scale marked on them. By the weight of the object you can guess the cube is 
1-cm, but it's really a bad idea not to include the actual size of your scale 
on your scale object, no matter what size it is! 

Cheers 

-- 
Richard Kowalski 
Full Moon Photography 
IMCA #1081 








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