Re: [meteorite-list] Hot Desert Meteorites
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Re: [meteorite-list] Hot Desert Meteorites
Rhett: << A meteorite, any meteorite be it NWA or classic historical fall of an extremely rare type, is worth however much someone will pay for it. >> Careful. I made exactly the same observation a year or so ago, and ended up in a much-too-long dialog with a DEALER (believe it or not) who vehemently disputed this seemingly self-evident statement. Gregory __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Steve, Well said yourself and thank you for your public outreach to the next generation of collectors, dealers and tax payers. I just hope that our fellow list members are doing the same. It is a worthy investment of time and a great use for those ol' unclassified NWAs! Regards, Greg Redfern IMCA #5781 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 12:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hot Desert Meteorites Greg, Bernd, and list, Nicely said. I echo your words and would like to add that I have acquired a number of "no name" / "no coordinates" NWA's the last couple of years. And while I would love to own a pricey SNC or Lunar sample that is larger than a Corn Flake, budget restraints dictate otherwise. Yes...it's too bad that many NWA's will go unclassified, will never see the inside of a Meteoritical Bulletin, and may be the orphaned child of the classified / pedigreed specimens. But when you go to class of third graders and talk about the wonderful mysteries of meteorites, do they really care about location coordinates, complex petrology classifications? And for that matter, would one want to bring a pricey Camel Donga or Allende to the class for all to touch and feel? That's the beauty of the NWA's. They're cheapthey can be touched, carressed, picked at, dropped, licked, by the students, and did I mention cheap? Best of allthey're meteorites. The sample you bring to class...can stay with the class. That is why I think the much maligned unclassified NWA's have their place. Every science classroom, whether elementary, middle school, of high school in our nation should have a meteorite. Cheap NWA's could make that a reality. (sorry...starting to sound like a politician's platform) Best to all, Steven L. Sachshttp://www.geocities.com/gangwise/meteorite.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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<< "...they can be touched, carressed, picked at, dropped, ***LICKED***, by the students...">> Steve, Would you like to expand on ***this***? __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I agree 100%. Meteorites are worth what you're willing to pay for them, and if you're in it not for the love of these "heavenly messengers" but to speculate, don't be surprised if your "investments" periodically go south. I just bought a crumb of a meteorite (Honolulu) that I had been wishing for for a LONG time. I paid more than someone else would have (I KNOW I did, I bought it on ebay!) but now I have a very special meteorite and am happy to have it. Tracy Latimer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hot Desert Meteorites
Greg, Bernd, and list, Nicely said. I echo your words and would like to add that I have acquired a number of "no name" / "no coordinates" NWA's the last couple of years. And while I would love to own a pricey SNC or Lunar sample that is larger than a Corn Flake, budget restraints dictate otherwise. Yes...it's too bad that many NWA's will go unclassified, will never see the inside of a Meteoritical Bulletin, and may be the orphaned child of the classified / pedigreed specimens. But when you go to class of third graders and talk about the wonderful mysteries of meteorites, do they really care about location coordinates, complex petrology classifications? And for that matter, would one want to bring a pricey Camel Donga or Allende to the class for all to touch and feel? That's the beauty of the NWA's. They're cheapthey can be touched, carressed, picked at, dropped, licked, by the students, and did I mention cheap? Best of allthey're meteorites. The sample you bring to class...can stay with the class. That is why I think the much maligned unclassified NWA's have their place. Every science classroom, whether elementary, middle school, of high school in our nation should have a meteorite. Cheap NWA's could make that a reality. (sorry...starting to sound like a politician's platform) Best to all, Steven L. Sachshttp://www.geocities.com/gangwise/meteorite.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello all I no have problems, I collect all meteorites, is this NWA, DaG's, Sahara etchistorical, fall's, found's etcbut no like the prices of the meteorites go in ruin. I repeat, is no possible a CR2, year ago minimum you buy for $200/gr. now you pay under $30/gr., under this way the total market go to the ruin. If I buy a CR2 from a moroccan person for only $8/gr. - example - is good for me, but I no sale this for $16/gr., I sale for $150 or $200. Under this way, at few time you find lunars for a price of a rare eucrite - type $300/gr. - and SNC for a normaly achondrite, and this is no good. Regards matteo --- Rhett Bourland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I couldn't agree more with Bernd's statements here > concerning people always > worrying and bickering about prices of meteorites. > Plain and simple, how > much is a certain meteorite worth? However much > someone will pay for it. > You don't get much more of an open market than with > meteorites. I recently > bought a piece of Lodran (thanks Steve Arnold!) that > cost a bit more than > I'm used to spending. Commercially speaking, was it > worth it? Probally not > but I really don't care because I didn't have any of > this type of meteorite > in my collection. Am I going to get angry at Steve > because he charged a lot > for it and call him greedy and say he's just so evil > for it? OF COURSE > NOT!!! I gave him a little more money than I would > have prefferred but much > much much more importantly I got a piece of this > rare meteorite that I've > been wanting for quite some time. Hey, for all > that, I'm actually happy to > kick in a little bit of a reward for him there for > getting such an amazing > and rare meteorite. > I'm mostly a collector but do sell a few meteorites > from time to time and > have some on my asteroidmodels.com site right now. > Admittedly, some of them > are rather pricey but others are right at market > value (market value being > what I see most other people charging) if not below > it. For obvious reasons > I don't want to go into details about how much or > how I aquired all of these > but I will say that some of my larger proffits have > come from meteorites > that sold out in a day or two. Am I evil and greedy > because I made a decent > proffit from them? I don't think so because the > people that bought them > certainly seemed happy enough to have the pieces I > sold them even though > they may have payed a bit more than the average > meteorite. In fact, some of > the people who bought them have also bought some of > the other meteorites > that I've had for sale and they always seem happy > enough to just have the > meteorites that they get. > My point in this email is this; if you're going to > argue about anything > concerning the NWA's argue about lack of a detailed > recovery vs. volume of > meteorites now in our collective possessions. Don't > argue about who's the > greedier dealer. Its simple, A meteorite, any > meteorite be it NWA or > classic historical fall of an extremely rare type, > is worth however much > someone will pay for it. If you think a meteorite > costs too much don't buy > it. Some of the pricier pieces in my collection I'm > sure dealers have made > some pretty good money off of me but I really > couldn't care less because > that just means that I have another wonderful rock > from another world that I > wouldn't be able to own without them. > My 2 cents, > Rhett Bourland > www.asteroidmodels.com > www.asteroidmodels.com/personal > www.meteoritecollectors.org > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Bernd > Pauli HD > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 6:02 AM > To: LABENNE METEORITES > Cc: dean bessey; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [meteorite-list] Hot Desert Meteorites > > > Luc a écrit: > > > ... and about the NWA, those returned recently > from Marocco > > say that the quantity they saw in not so bigger > that before. > > > Bonjour Luc, Hello List, > > I was just reading Christian Pinter's article about > the 2001 Mineral and > Gem Show in Munic in Meteorite, Feb 2002, Vol. 8, > No. 1, pp. 38-39, > when your post arrived here. There are three remarks > in Christian's > article that I would like to share with all of us: > > 1. Bruno: > > "But today there is only one tenth of what > had been found in Morocco two years ago." > > 2. Ahmed Pani: > > "There is really less material coming from the > Sahara now." > > 3. Erich Haiderer: > > "There is still enough out there for decades to > come." > > > For me there are not good or bad meteorites, there > are well documented or > > poorly documented meteorites, well preserved or > weathered meteorites, nice > > or bad looking meteorites and scientifically > important or not meteorites, > with > > all the intermediate states. > > I absolutely agree with the above words! Very often > conversations about > our love for meteorites oscillate between how >
RE: [meteorite-list] Hot Desert Meteorites
I couldn't agree more with Bernd's statements here concerning people always worrying and bickering about prices of meteorites. Plain and simple, how much is a certain meteorite worth? However much someone will pay for it. You don't get much more of an open market than with meteorites. I recently bought a piece of Lodran (thanks Steve Arnold!) that cost a bit more than I'm used to spending. Commercially speaking, was it worth it? Probally not but I really don't care because I didn't have any of this type of meteorite in my collection. Am I going to get angry at Steve because he charged a lot for it and call him greedy and say he's just so evil for it? OF COURSE NOT!!! I gave him a little more money than I would have prefferred but much much much more importantly I got a piece of this rare meteorite that I've been wanting for quite some time. Hey, for all that, I'm actually happy to kick in a little bit of a reward for him there for getting such an amazing and rare meteorite. I'm mostly a collector but do sell a few meteorites from time to time and have some on my asteroidmodels.com site right now. Admittedly, some of them are rather pricey but others are right at market value (market value being what I see most other people charging) if not below it. For obvious reasons I don't want to go into details about how much or how I aquired all of these but I will say that some of my larger proffits have come from meteorites that sold out in a day or two. Am I evil and greedy because I made a decent proffit from them? I don't think so because the people that bought them certainly seemed happy enough to have the pieces I sold them even though they may have payed a bit more than the average meteorite. In fact, some of the people who bought them have also bought some of the other meteorites that I've had for sale and they always seem happy enough to just have the meteorites that they get. My point in this email is this; if you're going to argue about anything concerning the NWA's argue about lack of a detailed recovery vs. volume of meteorites now in our collective possessions. Don't argue about who's the greedier dealer. Its simple, A meteorite, any meteorite be it NWA or classic historical fall of an extremely rare type, is worth however much someone will pay for it. If you think a meteorite costs too much don't buy it. Some of the pricier pieces in my collection I'm sure dealers have made some pretty good money off of me but I really couldn't care less because that just means that I have another wonderful rock from another world that I wouldn't be able to own without them. My 2 cents, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bernd Pauli HD Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 6:02 AM To: LABENNE METEORITES Cc: dean bessey; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Hot Desert Meteorites Luc a écrit: > ... and about the NWA, those returned recently from Marocco > say that the quantity they saw in not so bigger that before. Bonjour Luc, Hello List, I was just reading Christian Pinter's article about the 2001 Mineral and Gem Show in Munic in Meteorite, Feb 2002, Vol. 8, No. 1, pp. 38-39, when your post arrived here. There are three remarks in Christian's article that I would like to share with all of us: 1. Bruno: "But today there is only one tenth of what had been found in Morocco two years ago." 2. Ahmed Pani: "There is really less material coming from the Sahara now." 3. Erich Haiderer: "There is still enough out there for decades to come." > For me there are not good or bad meteorites, there are well documented or > poorly documented meteorites, well preserved or weathered meteorites, nice > or bad looking meteorites and scientifically important or not meteorites, with > all the intermediate states. I absolutely agree with the above words! Very often conversations about our love for meteorites oscillate between how exotic, common, or historical they are, and, on the other hand we complain (!) about the decreasing prices and monetary values of our Hot Desert meteorites. One list member wrote to me in a private mail that prices for historical falls like - say, Juvinas, Steinbach, etc. - will never decrease as much as the prices for those classified or unclassified NWAs. Again our views are shifting towards the financial investigation and away from our enthusiasm for those "heavenly messengers". A lunar is a lunar, a Martian is a Martian. I for my part collect meteorites because I love them, not because I want to investigate and make profits - after all I am not a dealer but a collector. When we started collecting these asteroidal "crumbs" many years ago, we said: "Oh, if I only had a eucrite in my collection!" Now some of us will say: "A eucrite would be OK ... what? It's a NWA! ... and there are no coordinates, no total weight, ... ah, we
RE: [meteorite-list] Hot Desert Meteorites
Amen, Bernd! I am very new to collecting meteorites but have loved them since my very earliest days - a walk to the bottom of Meteor Crater and a passion for astronomy will do that to you. It is as I said to Mark Miconi recently, how incredible it is to own and touch a piece of the Universe. I am sure that all list members would love to travel beyond our planet's atmosphere - but never, ever will. So, the very best next thing is to bring a piece of another world into your own home and hold it in your hands. Couple that with the ability to actually SEE the world it came from through a telescope and "now your talkin'!" Hold a piece of NWA 482 and then look at the Moon - no doubt as to where it came from. Look at an HST shot of Mars and then look at DAG 476 - "it ain't from this planet, that's for sure". Peer at the celestial dot that is Vesta and then look at a AEUC from Australia - how alien but also how beautiful. It's beyond my wildest dreams to be able to do so. Last thought. Commercialization of these items is the only reason why we are able to own them. Our passion, scientific inquiries, and careful possession of these celestial treasures is what gives them meaning. I know that we will never lose sight of that. Warmest Regards Fellow List Members, Greg Redfern IMCA #5781 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bernd Pauli HD Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 7:02 AM To: LABENNE METEORITES Cc: dean bessey; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Hot Desert Meteorites Luc a écrit: > ... and about the NWA, those returned recently from Marocco > say that the quantity they saw in not so bigger that before. Bonjour Luc, Hello List, I was just reading Christian Pinter's article about the 2001 Mineral and Gem Show in Munic in Meteorite, Feb 2002, Vol. 8, No. 1, pp. 38-39, when your post arrived here. There are three remarks in Christian's article that I would like to share with all of us: 1. Bruno: "But today there is only one tenth of what had been found in Morocco two years ago." 2. Ahmed Pani: "There is really less material coming from the Sahara now." 3. Erich Haiderer: "There is still enough out there for decades to come." > For me there are not good or bad meteorites, there are well documented or > poorly documented meteorites, well preserved or weathered meteorites, nice > or bad looking meteorites and scientifically important or not meteorites, with > all the intermediate states. I absolutely agree with the above words! Very often conversations about our love for meteorites oscillate between how exotic, common, or historical they are, and, on the other hand we complain (!) about the decreasing prices and monetary values of our Hot Desert meteorites. One list member wrote to me in a private mail that prices for historical falls like - say, Juvinas, Steinbach, etc. - will never decrease as much as the prices for those classified or unclassified NWAs. Again our views are shifting towards the financial investigation and away from our enthusiasm for those "heavenly messengers". A lunar is a lunar, a Martian is a Martian. I for my part collect meteorites because I love them, not because I want to investigate and make profits - after all I am not a dealer but a collector. When we started collecting these asteroidal "crumbs" many years ago, we said: "Oh, if I only had a eucrite in my collection!" Now some of us will say: "A eucrite would be OK ... what? It's a NWA! ... and there are no coordinates, no total weight, ... ah, well I think I had better buy a Stannern eucrite. Thus I won't lose my money! And now a quick glance at Stannern in my database: Stannern: brecciated; monomict; noncumulate And, as a comparison, one of those Hot Desert meteorites: Sahara 98110: brecciated; monomict Any difference? OK, I know the Sahara 98110 does have coordinates which the Labennes will disclose at a later time, but do coordinates make a eucrite a eucrite? A scientifical approach to this problem would be different (see my post re: "NWA meteorites blessing or omen? / Wed, 13 Feb 2002) but, again, I am not a meteoriticist, I am a collector! Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
