Re: [meteorite-list] Question about oriented meteorites
Yeah, I remember that day. I was there with Peter Utas when he bought that stone. Bob Haag had this huge incredible 62 LB oriented ( with lipping ) meteorite on display in his room. If I can remember. it was found in Kansas. Peter wrote a check on the spot. If he didnt I would have. It was very well priced. Jason , does your dad still have that stone? If he does, would you care to share a picture of it with the list? Thanks Bob Evans - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Jason Utas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question about oriented meteorites > Jason, > > We met last year in Tucson. It was Sunday morning over at the Meteorite Man's room...the day you and your partner loaded that big chondrite into a small car going west. Did Rob ever give that thing up?Anyway... > > Advice: Enjoy being the Kid...it goes fast. > > John > > > > > -- Original message from Jason Utas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: -- > > > > Hello Rob and All, > > In Response to this: > > > > >> "The object weighing 47.015 kg with a 4.75 specific gravity was > > >> fallen..." > > ... > > > it could still be another type of meteorite (meso or pallasite?) > > >Rob [Matson] > > > > A mesosiderite or pallasite seems pretty improbable -- if the density > > of iron is 7.874g/cm^3, > > then either this meteorite has verrry little iron in it and is a stony > > or it's made of half iron and half air (or some other nearly > > weightless substance [yeah right]). > > > > The Kid > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question about oriented meteorites
Jason, We met last year in Tucson. It was Sunday morning over at the Meteorite Man's room...the day you and your partner loaded that big chondrite into a small car going west. Did Rob ever give that thing up?Anyway... Advice: Enjoy being the Kid...it goes fast. John -- Original message from Jason Utas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: -- > Hello Rob and All, > In Response to this: > > >> "The object weighing 47.015 kg with a 4.75 specific gravity was > >> fallen..." > ... > > it could still be another type of meteorite (meso or pallasite?) > >Rob [Matson] > > A mesosiderite or pallasite seems pretty improbable -- if the density > of iron is 7.874g/cm^3, > then either this meteorite has verrry little iron in it and is a stony > or it's made of half iron and half air (or some other nearly > weightless substance [yeah right]). > > The Kid > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Question about oriented meteorites
Jonathan Gore's response on this issue explains why the word "orientated" doesn't seem correct usage with us Americans. Like Mike and Rob, my brain automatically labels it as incorrect when I read it even though it is considered interchangeable with "oriented." JKGwilliam At 10:33 PM 12/5/2004, Matson, Robert wrote: Have to agree with Mike on this one -- "orientated" has an awful sound to it. I flinch nearly as much when I see that word as I do reading "proof" when "prove" is meant, and "prove" when "proof" is meant (how do people confuse the two?) So that this post is somewhat more meteorite-related, I note (as I believe another list member did a day or so ago) that something is wrong with the story about the supposed iron fall in Sri Lanka: "The object weighing 47.015 kg with a 4.75 specific gravity was fallen..." Either the specific gravity is wrong (or in unfamiliar units), or the mass is wrong, or the object isn't an iron meteorite. I suppose it could still be another type of meteorite (meso or pallasite?) --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question about oriented meteorites
Hello All, Well, Lets see... O. Richard Norton refers to Adamana as "oriented" in "Rocks From Space." (2nd edition). H. H. Nininger refers to Glen Rose as "oriented" in "Find a Falling Star." and lastly, Vagn F. Buchwald refers to Cabin Creek in his "Handbook of Iron Meteorites" (book 2, meteorites A-M) as an "oriented fall." Orientated doesn't look like too good a choice for describing any meteorites at this point. -The Kid. 14 yrs old if ne1 needs 2 no. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question about oriented meteorites
Well, The Orientated form should only be used in the word "Orientation ".I dont think Orientated is even a word. Even though a few on the list use that form Oriented is the proper way to describe a meteorite that had a stablized flight path. Just my 2 cents Bob E - Original Message - From: Robert Woolard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 10:02 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Question about oriented meteorites > Hello List and Mike, > > Mike just posted this a short while ago: > > * > > " Subject: Oriented meteorite listed now. > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2291946404 > > > Here it is, just loaded. > Mike " > > > > First of all.. WOW!! Awesome specimen, Mike! > > Secondly, this is a good time to ask a question that > I've wondered about now and then. I, too would have > used the exact word " oriented " to describe this > stone, and I know that is correct. But I often see > other list members using the term "orientated" (with > an extra "-at-"in the word). So my question is: Are > both terms proper, or is "oriented" the ONLY correct > term to use to describe such a meteorite as this? > > Thanks for any help with this question, > > Robert Woolard > > > > > > > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question about oriented meteorites
Hi Mike What can you say, its British and sits right in there with marmite (a disgusting substance) and loo (term for toilet). Mark - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "John Birdsell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question about oriented meteorites H, I hate to be proven wrong, but if the shoe fits To me though, that word sounds absolutely stupid. I'll stick with oriented. Mike - Original Message - From: "John Birdsell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question about oriented meteorites Hello allI would have thought that Bob and Mike were right on this, but I was surprised to find the word "orientated" in Webster's New Unabridged Dictionary, being defined as being synonymous with "oriented". Cheers -John Michael Farmer wrote: Robert, there is no such word as orientated. I have seen it too, never knew where people got that word from. Mike - Original Message - From: "Robert Woolard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 9:02 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Question about oriented meteorites Hello List and Mike, Mike just posted this a short while ago: * " Subject: Oriented meteorite listed now. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2291946404 Here it is, just loaded. Mike " First of all.. WOW!! Awesome specimen, Mike! Secondly, this is a good time to ask a question that I've wondered about now and then. I, too would have used the exact word " oriented " to describe this stone, and I know that is correct. But I often see other list members using the term "orientated" (with an extra "-at-"in the word). So my question is: Are both terms proper, or is "oriented" the ONLY correct term to use to describe such a meteorite as this? Thanks for any help with this question, Robert Woolard __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Question about oriented meteorites
Have to agree with Mike on this one -- "orientated" has an awful sound to it. I flinch nearly as much when I see that word as I do reading "proof" when "prove" is meant, and "prove" when "proof" is meant (how do people confuse the two?) So that this post is somewhat more meteorite-related, I note (as I believe another list member did a day or so ago) that something is wrong with the story about the supposed iron fall in Sri Lanka: "The object weighing 47.015 kg with a 4.75 specific gravity was fallen..." Either the specific gravity is wrong (or in unfamiliar units), or the mass is wrong, or the object isn't an iron meteorite. I suppose it could still be another type of meteorite (meso or pallasite?) --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question about oriented meteorites
Hi, Jason, and All, Half right. Way too light to be iron, but way too heavy to be stone (with densities generally below 3). But if you mix roughly equal volumes of iron (at 7-8) with stone (at 3 or so), you get an object in the 4.5 to 5.5 density range. Good examples are the Earth or the planet Mercury, or on a smaller scale, a stoney-iron meteorite! On the other hand, one should never accept a reporter's word on math or meteorites at face value. Sterling K. Webb --- Jason Utas wrote: > Hello Rob and All, > In Response to this: > > >> "The object weighing 47.015 kg with a 4.75 specific gravity was > >> fallen..." > ... > > it could still be another type of meteorite (meso or pallasite?) > >Rob [Matson] > > A mesosiderite or pallasite seems pretty improbable -- if the density > of iron is 7.874g/cm^3, > then either this meteorite has verrry little iron in it and is a stony > or it's made of half iron and half air (or some other nearly > weightless substance [yeah right]). > > The Kid __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question about oriented meteorites
Robert, there is no such word as orientated. I have seen it too, never knew where people got that word from. Mike - Original Message - From: "Robert Woolard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 9:02 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Question about oriented meteorites Hello List and Mike, Mike just posted this a short while ago: * " Subject: Oriented meteorite listed now. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2291946404 Here it is, just loaded. Mike " First of all.. WOW!! Awesome specimen, Mike! Secondly, this is a good time to ask a question that I've wondered about now and then. I, too would have used the exact word " oriented " to describe this stone, and I know that is correct. But I often see other list members using the term "orientated" (with an extra "-at-"in the word). So my question is: Are both terms proper, or is "oriented" the ONLY correct term to use to describe such a meteorite as this? Thanks for any help with this question, Robert Woolard __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question about oriented meteorites
Hello Rob and All, In Response to this: >> "The object weighing 47.015 kg with a 4.75 specific gravity was >> fallen..." ... > it could still be another type of meteorite (meso or pallasite?) >Rob [Matson] A mesosiderite or pallasite seems pretty improbable -- if the density of iron is 7.874g/cm^3, then either this meteorite has verrry little iron in it and is a stony or it's made of half iron and half air (or some other nearly weightless substance [yeah right]). The Kid __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question about oriented meteorites
Hello allI would have thought that Bob and Mike were right on this, but I was surprised to find the word "orientated" in Webster's New Unabridged Dictionary, being defined as being synonymous with "oriented". Cheers -John Michael Farmer wrote: Robert, there is no such word as orientated. I have seen it too, never knew where people got that word from. Mike - Original Message - From: "Robert Woolard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 9:02 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Question about oriented meteorites Hello List and Mike, Mike just posted this a short while ago: * " Subject: Oriented meteorite listed now. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2291946404 Here it is, just loaded. Mike " First of all.. WOW!! Awesome specimen, Mike! Secondly, this is a good time to ask a question that I've wondered about now and then. I, too would have used the exact word " oriented " to describe this stone, and I know that is correct. But I often see other list members using the term "orientated" (with an extra "-at-"in the word). So my question is: Are both terms proper, or is "oriented" the ONLY correct term to use to describe such a meteorite as this? Thanks for any help with this question, Robert Woolard __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question about oriented meteorites
H, I hate to be proven wrong, but if the shoe fits To me though, that word sounds absolutely stupid. I'll stick with oriented. Mike - Original Message - From: "John Birdsell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question about oriented meteorites Hello allI would have thought that Bob and Mike were right on this, but I was surprised to find the word "orientated" in Webster's New Unabridged Dictionary, being defined as being synonymous with "oriented". Cheers -John Michael Farmer wrote: Robert, there is no such word as orientated. I have seen it too, never knew where people got that word from. Mike - Original Message - From: "Robert Woolard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 9:02 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Question about oriented meteorites Hello List and Mike, Mike just posted this a short while ago: * " Subject: Oriented meteorite listed now. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2291946404 Here it is, just loaded. Mike " First of all.. WOW!! Awesome specimen, Mike! Secondly, this is a good time to ask a question that I've wondered about now and then. I, too would have used the exact word " oriented " to describe this stone, and I know that is correct. But I often see other list members using the term "orientated" (with an extra "-at-"in the word). So my question is: Are both terms proper, or is "oriented" the ONLY correct term to use to describe such a meteorite as this? Thanks for any help with this question, Robert Woolard __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
