Re: [meteorite-list] talk about a good idea!
Dear List; I didn't hear an appology yet to the miss-accused seller, I do have a full sack of cracked corn here and a tub of water that the other birds haven't been playing in yet.but then maybe some deserve the fouled (pun intended) water! So much for 8 years of ebay experience.stupid is as stupid does DF David Freeman wrote: Dear Bill, How come you seem to act like something crawled up your back side and died, you come around this way every few months, Manopause? This is a thread that should be put to bed, think??I am getting tired deleting such worthless crap! df [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken, Just my personal opinion based on 8 years of watching ebay auctions. I really don't value your opinion much so take your imca rant elsewhere. Bill -- Original message -- From: ken newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bill, I see NO indication of shill bidding. What makes it "look" that way to you? Unless you have something substantial you owe the seller a public apology - immediately. It is a slanderous matter when you publicly insinuate that an IMCA member or anyone for that matter, is is engaged in illegal activities. 'Bother' next time. Ken Newton IMCA # 9632 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken, I didn't bother to cross-reference the bidders and seller but it looks like shill and or shill buddy bidding. I know people make mistakes and get carried away at times but this auction reeks. Pretty obvious stuff. Bill -- Original message -- From: ken newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bill, What are you suggesting is not legit and why? Ken Newton IMCA #9632 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, I'm not sure what you mean about the "right" idea. I doubt that's a legitimate auction result. Bill -- Original message -- From: "Tom AKA James Knudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boy this person had the right idea! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=6503491405&; rd=1 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] talk about a good idea!
Delray wrote: >I realize that Campo's and Sikhote Alin's and >Gibeon's are nothing special either, but These fine meteorites just ain't gettin' no respect... Thanks for your thought provoking and honest message Delray, I am sure the police force will now go back to sipping coffee in Duncan Donuts while occasionally purusing eBay for meteorites that dogs dug up or have rainbow watercolors, or maybe were removed from strewn fields of magnetite, or simply are represented as "I don't know what this is but it looks like a piece of...". Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] talk about a good idea!
I, for one, recently bought (won) two small pieces from Delray and am appalled that this thread got a life She is on the up and up all the wayShe even included a tiny GIFT as a measure of her appreciation for my bidding and was extremely gracious in asking for my feedback!! I'm all for policeing our own and others but, BUT, BUT Channels of communication are provided folks.as always, (chain of command for those who have any military experience) a word in private is always the first step!! SIMPLE! We are all of us human and deserve a break. Don't let this list become a kangaroo court. Let this be a lesson in forebearance for all of us, for I too read this thread and lost my sense of balance only to find that WHO was being slandered was a trusted counterpart. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: "ken newton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] talk about a good idea! (I have been requested by Leigh Anne DelRay to post the following. She is not a Met List subscriber so any replies to her should contain her email address listed below:) My name is Leigh Anne DelRay and I am responding and defending myself against the slanderous thread that is present on the Meteorite Central and the IMCA list. I just wanted to address a few things. First. As far as Shill Bidding Goes, That is no joke, and is VERY serious, and to be accused of that is as close to malicious and I can think of. I do not know, nor have I ever had this person as a customer. I had a 0.99 cent bid for about 6 days and then about 3 hours before the auction was over it was up to 350.00. And I never even saw the ebay id of the whoever was bidding against this guy. Then I invoiced him and he paid me through paypal about 2 hours later. Second: The idea of shill Bidding is crazy in this instance simply because I paid triple my listing fee to have a reserve on this auction. I was at no risk to lose anything, there was a reserve. Third: As far as Campos going for 5.00 per gram in a retail store I can offer two instances of this. I have for the last year and a half sold Gibeons, Campos, and Sikhote Alins for Hands of Spirit Gallery in Boulder, CO for 5.00 a gram. As well as the very first meteorite I ever purchased in my life was a Campo at 5.00 a gram in a store in Idaho Springs, Colorado called The Desert Rose. Fourth: I just wanted to also say that the people that are evaluating this auction are dealers that are used to dealing with other dealers. I am very aware that Campos are generic meteorites and to you guys they are not anyhing special. And in the meteorite Community (being a member of IMCA as well as COMETS) I realize that Campo's and Sikhote Alin's and Gibeon's are nothing special either, but I just want to remind you guys that I am really interested in targeting as my main customer, the person who has either never owned a meteorite or is a very new beginner in collecting. I want really to grab new people who are just a little interested, and maybe not very educated on meteorites. That is why I sell (what the big dealers may call) generic meteorites. And the target Audience that I am attempting to attract are the people that are normally going to purchase a meteorite in a store that would charge 5.00 per gram! I know because I was that person only a few years ago. If I would buy it for 5.00 a gram and I have been selling it in a gallery successfully for almost 2 years for 5.00 a gram, then I know that is sort of an idea of what the average rock shop/crystal gallery shopper would maybe spend. And that is my targeted audience, not those who are spending $5,000 on a Lunar Piece. Fifth: As opposed to most of the people that are selling meteorites on E-bay, this is my career and pays my rent as well as feeds me. I have no other form of income. This is why making allegations of this nature and reporting them to e-bay is very serious and potentially disastrous. I FULLY understand and agree that IMCA has a reputation to keep as far as making sure that the meteorites that are being sold to the public are Authentic. That is why I am a member and pay my fees and am very proud to display the logo on my auctions. And I am very happy that IMCA and MeteoriteCentral are on top of things when there is suspicion about particular sellers and particular pieces. I just wanted to state that this is a case of false assumptions and maybe a bit of boredom on the person who brought it all up. And I just don't want something that came up due to boredom, to jeopardize my ability to pay my rent. Thank you so much for your time in reading this and your understanding, Leigh Anne DelRay [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.delraygoddess.com ebay id : delraygoddess __ Meteorite-list mailing list M
RE: [meteorite-list] talk about a good idea!
Are you kidding? You are jumping at this person for selling a campo for $5/g and accusing her to manipulate her auction? Boy oh boy. Are you bored? Or is it just that the REAL manipulative things happening with meteorites can't be talked about, because one doesn't want to mess with the big ones? Bah. Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] talk about a good idea!
(I have been requested by Leigh Anne DelRay to post the following. She is not a Met List subscriber so any replies to her should contain her email address listed below:) My name is Leigh Anne DelRay and I am responding and defending myself against the slanderous thread that is present on the Meteorite Central and the IMCA list. I just wanted to address a few things. First. As far as Shill Bidding Goes, That is no joke, and is VERY serious, and to be accused of that is as close to malicious and I can think of. I do not know, nor have I ever had this person as a customer. I had a 0.99 cent bid for about 6 days and then about 3 hours before the auction was over it was up to 350.00. And I never even saw the ebay id of the whoever was bidding against this guy. Then I invoiced him and he paid me through paypal about 2 hours later. Second: The idea of shill Bidding is crazy in this instance simply because I paid triple my listing fee to have a reserve on this auction. I was at no risk to lose anything, there was a reserve. Third: As far as Campos going for 5.00 per gram in a retail store I can offer two instances of this. I have for the last year and a half sold Gibeons, Campos, and Sikhote Alins for Hands of Spirit Gallery in Boulder, CO for 5.00 a gram. As well as the very first meteorite I ever purchased in my life was a Campo at 5.00 a gram in a store in Idaho Springs, Colorado called The Desert Rose. Fourth: I just wanted to also say that the people that are evaluating this auction are dealers that are used to dealing with other dealers. I am very aware that Campos are generic meteorites and to you guys they are not anyhing special. And in the meteorite Community (being a member of IMCA as well as COMETS) I realize that Campo's and Sikhote Alin's and Gibeon's are nothing special either, but I just want to remind you guys that I am really interested in targeting as my main customer, the person who has either never owned a meteorite or is a very new beginner in collecting. I want really to grab new people who are just a little interested, and maybe not very educated on meteorites. That is why I sell (what the big dealers may call) generic meteorites. And the target Audience that I am attempting to attract are the people that are normally going to purchase a meteorite in a store that would charge 5.00 per gram! I know because I was that person only a few years ago. If I would buy it for 5.00 a gram and I have been selling it in a gallery successfully for almost 2 years for 5.00 a gram, then I know that is sort of an idea of what the average rock shop/crystal gallery shopper would maybe spend. And that is my targeted audience, not those who are spending $5,000 on a Lunar Piece. Fifth: As opposed to most of the people that are selling meteorites on E-bay, this is my career and pays my rent as well as feeds me. I have no other form of income. This is why making allegations of this nature and reporting them to e-bay is very serious and potentially disastrous. I FULLY understand and agree that IMCA has a reputation to keep as far as making sure that the meteorites that are being sold to the public are Authentic. That is why I am a member and pay my fees and am very proud to display the logo on my auctions. And I am very happy that IMCA and MeteoriteCentral are on top of things when there is suspicion about particular sellers and particular pieces. I just wanted to state that this is a case of false assumptions and maybe a bit of boredom on the person who brought it all up. And I just don't want something that came up due to boredom, to jeopardize my ability to pay my rent. Thank you so much for your time in reading this and your understanding, Leigh Anne DelRay [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.delraygoddess.com ebay id : delraygoddess __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [ I.M.C.A. ] Re: [meteorite-list] talk about a good idea!
Hi Ken and List, I think Ken my be right on this, looking at the two bidders, they both have good feed-backs from different buyers. One of those buyers might of got out bid by the other, one to many times and now are at war! They my bid and bid to ridiculous prices, but they seem to pay. I do not like the misleading description, five a gram, but it is no worse than other sellers saying that a 25g SA is huge and a lot of people are doing that. I think if we want honest dealers, we all have to be! Thanks, Tom peregrineflier <>< IMCA 6168 http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm - Original Message - From: "ken newton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 9:21 AM Subject: [ I.M.C.A. ] Re: [meteorite-list] talk about a good idea! > > John, > Thank you for your legitimate concerns. > Since the seller is an IMCA member, > IMCA has asked Ebay to investigate your > allegations. > > On more than one occasion, I have seen > bidders with similar interests 'hound' one > another by bidding the same auctions. > This may be one of those situations. > > I agree that the seller's "5.00 a gram" as stated > may be misleading. (I do not know average > brick and mortar store meteorite prices.) > You may agree that it would not be > misleading if the seller quoted a specific > store that was indeed selling the item for that price. > That said, to quote the price per gram of a > specific Macovich Collection item is not inaccurate > either but I'm sure someone would complain.:>) > IMCA members must be able to back what > they claim and this seller will be reminded of that. > > To all listees following this thread: > No one would wishes to be falsely accused and > much worse, to be accused publicly without proof. > Innuendo can damage a person's livelihood > and reputation. If you have a legitimate > complaint with an IMCA member's sale please > contact the person privately and voice your > concerns. If you are not satisfied, > privately contact IMCA. We will try to assist. > > Sincerely, > Ken Newton > I.M.C.A. # 9632 > http://www.imca.cc > http://www.meteoritecollectors.org > > > > JKGwilliam wrote: > > > List members and Ebay watchers, > > Before anyone else jumps on Bill for expressing his opinion about this > > Ebay auction, I'd suggest you take a look at it from all angles. The > > two most active biddersroyalboot and bluekatrinohave a history > > of bidding on several of the exact same items. Coincidence? I doubt > > it. The two bidders were bidding on meteorites, Italian art glass and > > lion's claws. > > > > In the past month, bluekatrino bid on five items, four of which were > > also bid on by royalboot. I'm not saying that this auction involved > > shill bidding, that's impossible to tell for sure, but like Bill, it > > looks fishy to me. > > > > I'm really surprised that no one has mentioned the fact that the > > seller "delraygoddess" made the following claim: > > > > "The retail cost of Campo Del Cielo Meteorites in a store are about > > 5.00 a gram, and The reserve on this one is WAY less! THIS IS A > > STEAL " > > > > Five bucks a gram for "new or old" Campo Del Cielo meteorites? I'd > > say that this is blatantly deceptive advertising! > > > > This is something that the IMCA ought to howl about. What do you say > > Ken? > > > > Best, > > John Gwilliam > > > > > > > > At 10:52 PM 1/11/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >> David, > >> > >> Didn't you read the thread? Have a look at that auction. You might > >> think you're funny but when the phrase, "feeding the ducks" was > >> dreamed up, you were the inspiration. > >> > >> Bill > >> > >> > >> -- Original message -- > >> From: David Freeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > > >> > Dear Bill, > >> > How come you seem to act like something crawled up your back side and > >> > died, you come around this way every few months, Manopause? > >> > This is a thread that should be put to bed, > >> > think??I am getting tired deleting > >> such > >> > worthless crap! > >> > > >> > df > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > &g
Re: [meteorite-list] talk about a good idea!
John, Thank you for your legitimate concerns. Since the seller is an IMCA member, IMCA has asked Ebay to investigate your allegations. On more than one occasion, I have seen bidders with similar interests 'hound' one another by bidding the same auctions. This may be one of those situations. I agree that the seller's "5.00 a gram" as stated may be misleading. (I do not know average brick and mortar store meteorite prices.) You may agree that it would not be misleading if the seller quoted a specific store that was indeed selling the item for that price. That said, to quote the price per gram of a specific Macovich Collection item is not inaccurate either but I'm sure someone would complain.:>) IMCA members must be able to back what they claim and this seller will be reminded of that. To all listees following this thread: No one would wishes to be falsely accused and much worse, to be accused publicly without proof. Innuendo can damage a person's livelihood and reputation. If you have a legitimate complaint with an IMCA member's sale please contact the person privately and voice your concerns. If you are not satisfied, privately contact IMCA. We will try to assist. Sincerely, Ken Newton I.M.C.A. # 9632 http://www.imca.cc http://www.meteoritecollectors.org JKGwilliam wrote: List members and Ebay watchers, Before anyone else jumps on Bill for expressing his opinion about this Ebay auction, I'd suggest you take a look at it from all angles. The two most active biddersroyalboot and bluekatrinohave a history of bidding on several of the exact same items. Coincidence? I doubt it. The two bidders were bidding on meteorites, Italian art glass and lion's claws. In the past month, bluekatrino bid on five items, four of which were also bid on by royalboot. I'm not saying that this auction involved shill bidding, that's impossible to tell for sure, but like Bill, it looks fishy to me. I'm really surprised that no one has mentioned the fact that the seller "delraygoddess" made the following claim: "The retail cost of Campo Del Cielo Meteorites in a store are about 5.00 a gram, and The reserve on this one is WAY less! THIS IS A STEAL " Five bucks a gram for "new or old" Campo Del Cielo meteorites? I'd say that this is blatantly deceptive advertising! This is something that the IMCA ought to howl about. What do you say Ken? Best, John Gwilliam At 10:52 PM 1/11/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, Didn't you read the thread? Have a look at that auction. You might think you're funny but when the phrase, "feeding the ducks" was dreamed up, you were the inspiration. Bill -- Original message -- From: David Freeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Dear Bill, > How come you seem to act like something crawled up your back side and > died, you come around this way every few months, Manopause? > This is a thread that should be put to bed, > think??I am getting tired deleting such > worthless crap! > > df > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >Ken, > > > >Just my personal opinion based on 8 years of watching ebay auctions. I really > don't value your opinion much so take your imca rant elsewhere. > > > >Bill > > > > > > -- Original message -- > >From: ken newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >>Bill, > >>I see NO indication of shill bidding. > >>What makes it "look" that way to you? > >>Unless you have something substantial > >>you owe the seller a public apology - > >>immediately. > >> > >>It is a slanderous matter when you publicly insinuate > >>that an IMCA member or anyone for that matter, is > >>is engaged in illegal activities. 'Bother' next time. > >> > >>Ken Newton > >>IMCA # 9632 > >> > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >>>Ken, > >>> > >>>I didn't bother to cross-reference the bidders and seller but it looks like > >>> > >>shill and or shill buddy bidding. I know people make mistakes and get carried > >>away at times but this auction reeks. Pretty obvious stuff. > >> > >>>Bill > >>> > >>> > >>>-- Original message -- > >>>From: ken newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> > >>> > Bill, > What are you suggesting is not legit and why? > > Ken Newton > IMCA #9632 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > >Tom, > > > >I'm not sure what you mean about the "right" idea. I doubt that's a > > > >>legitimate > >> > > > > > auction result. > > > >Bill > > > > > >-- Original message -- > >From: "Tom AKA James Knudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > >>Boy this person had the right idea! > >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=6 50349140 > 5& > >>rd=1 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > __ > Meteorite-li
Re: [meteorite-list] talk about a good idea!
Hi John and all, I know who this seller is and I would hope that nothing is going on but have to admit that it looks funny. The seller is a young lady who sells meteorites and meteorite jewelry and a member of a meteorite group. As far as I know she is honest but perhaps we need to talk to some people who know her better. I'll give her the benefit of a doubt at this time. Best! --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] talk about a good idea!
List members and Ebay watchers, Before anyone else jumps on Bill for expressing his opinion about this Ebay auction, I'd suggest you take a look at it from all angles. The two most active biddersroyalboot and bluekatrinohave a history of bidding on several of the exact same items. Coincidence? I doubt it. The two bidders were bidding on meteorites, Italian art glass and lion's claws. In the past month, bluekatrino bid on five items, four of which were also bid on by royalboot. I'm not saying that this auction involved shill bidding, that's impossible to tell for sure, but like Bill, it looks fishy to me. I'm really surprised that no one has mentioned the fact that the seller "delraygoddess" made the following claim: "The retail cost of Campo Del Cielo Meteorites in a store are about 5.00 a gram, and The reserve on this one is WAY less! THIS IS A STEAL " Five bucks a gram for "new or old" Campo Del Cielo meteorites? I'd say that this is blatantly deceptive advertising! This is something that the IMCA ought to howl about. What do you say Ken? Best, John Gwilliam At 10:52 PM 1/11/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, Didn't you read the thread? Have a look at that auction. You might think you're funny but when the phrase, "feeding the ducks" was dreamed up, you were the inspiration. Bill -- Original message -- From: David Freeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Dear Bill, > How come you seem to act like something crawled up your back side and > died, you come around this way every few months, Manopause? > This is a thread that should be put to bed, > think??I am getting tired deleting such > worthless crap! > > df > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >Ken, > > > >Just my personal opinion based on 8 years of watching ebay auctions. I really > don't value your opinion much so take your imca rant elsewhere. > > > >Bill > > > > > > -- Original message -- > >From: ken newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >>Bill, > >>I see NO indication of shill bidding. > >>What makes it "look" that way to you? > >>Unless you have something substantial > >>you owe the seller a public apology - > >>immediately. > >> > >>It is a slanderous matter when you publicly insinuate > >>that an IMCA member or anyone for that matter, is > >>is engaged in illegal activities. 'Bother' next time. > >> > >>Ken Newton > >>IMCA # 9632 > >> > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >>>Ken, > >>> > >>>I didn't bother to cross-reference the bidders and seller but it looks like > >>> > >>shill and or shill buddy bidding. I know people make mistakes and get carried > >>away at times but this auction reeks. Pretty obvious stuff. > >> > >>>Bill > >>> > >>> > >>>-- Original message -- > >>>From: ken newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> > >>> > Bill, > What are you suggesting is not legit and why? > > Ken Newton > IMCA #9632 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > >Tom, > > > >I'm not sure what you mean about the "right" idea. I doubt that's a > > > >>legitimate > >> > > > > > auction result. > > > >Bill > > > > > >-- Original message -- > >From: "Tom AKA James Knudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > >>Boy this person had the right idea! > >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=6 50349140 > 5& > >>rd=1 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > >>> > >>>__ > >>>Meteorite-list mailing list > >>>Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >>>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > >__ > >Meteorite-list mailing list > >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] talk about a good idea!
David, Didn't you read the thread? Have a look at that auction. You might think you're funny but when the phrase, "feeding the ducks" was dreamed up, you were the inspiration. Bill -- Original message -- From: David Freeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Dear Bill, > How come you seem to act like something crawled up your back side and > died, you come around this way every few months, Manopause? > This is a thread that should be put to bed, > think??I am getting tired deleting such > worthless crap! > > df > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >Ken, > > > >Just my personal opinion based on 8 years of watching ebay auctions. I > >really > don't value your opinion much so take your imca rant elsewhere. > > > >Bill > > > > > > -- Original message -- > >From: ken newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >>Bill, > >>I see NO indication of shill bidding. > >>What makes it "look" that way to you? > >>Unless you have something substantial > >>you owe the seller a public apology - > >>immediately. > >> > >>It is a slanderous matter when you publicly insinuate > >>that an IMCA member or anyone for that matter, is > >>is engaged in illegal activities. 'Bother' next time. > >> > >>Ken Newton > >>IMCA # 9632 > >> > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >>>Ken, > >>> > >>>I didn't bother to cross-reference the bidders and seller but it looks > >>>like > >>> > >>shill and or shill buddy bidding. I know people make mistakes and get > >>carried > >>away at times but this auction reeks. Pretty obvious stuff. > >> > >>>Bill > >>> > >>> > >>>-- Original message -- > >>>From: ken newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> > >>> > Bill, > What are you suggesting is not legit and why? > > Ken Newton > IMCA #9632 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > >Tom, > > > >I'm not sure what you mean about the "right" idea. I doubt that's a > > > >>legitimate > >> > > > > > auction result. > > > >Bill > > > > > >-- Original message -- > >From: "Tom AKA James Knudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > >>Boy this person had the right idea! > >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=650349140 > 5& > >>rd=1 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > >>> > >>>__ > >>>Meteorite-list mailing list > >>>Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >>>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > >__ > >Meteorite-list mailing list > >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] talk about a good idea!
Dear Bill, How come you seem to act like something crawled up your back side and died, you come around this way every few months, Manopause? This is a thread that should be put to bed, think??I am getting tired deleting such worthless crap! df [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken, Just my personal opinion based on 8 years of watching ebay auctions. I really don't value your opinion much so take your imca rant elsewhere. Bill -- Original message -- From: ken newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bill, I see NO indication of shill bidding. What makes it "look" that way to you? Unless you have something substantial you owe the seller a public apology - immediately. It is a slanderous matter when you publicly insinuate that an IMCA member or anyone for that matter, is is engaged in illegal activities. 'Bother' next time. Ken Newton IMCA # 9632 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken, I didn't bother to cross-reference the bidders and seller but it looks like shill and or shill buddy bidding. I know people make mistakes and get carried away at times but this auction reeks. Pretty obvious stuff. Bill -- Original message -- From: ken newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bill, What are you suggesting is not legit and why? Ken Newton IMCA #9632 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, I'm not sure what you mean about the "right" idea. I doubt that's a legitimate auction result. Bill -- Original message -- From: "Tom AKA James Knudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boy this person had the right idea! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=6503491405&; rd=1 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] talk about a good idea!
Ken, Just my personal opinion based on 8 years of watching ebay auctions. I really don't value your opinion much so take your imca rant elsewhere. Bill -- Original message -- From: ken newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Bill, > I see NO indication of shill bidding. > What makes it "look" that way to you? > Unless you have something substantial > you owe the seller a public apology - > immediately. > > It is a slanderous matter when you publicly insinuate > that an IMCA member or anyone for that matter, is > is engaged in illegal activities. 'Bother' next time. > > Ken Newton > IMCA # 9632 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >Ken, > > > >I didn't bother to cross-reference the bidders and seller but it looks like > shill and or shill buddy bidding. I know people make mistakes and get carried > away at times but this auction reeks. Pretty obvious stuff. > > > >Bill > > > > > > -- Original message -- > >From: ken newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >>Bill, > >>What are you suggesting is not legit and why? > >> > >>Ken Newton > >>IMCA #9632 > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Tom, > >>> > >>>I'm not sure what you mean about the "right" idea. I doubt that's a > legitimate > >>> > >>> > >>auction result. > >> > >> > >>>Bill > >>> > >>> > >>>-- Original message -- > >>>From: "Tom AKA James Knudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Boy this person had the right idea! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=6503491405&; > rd=1 > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>__ > >>Meteorite-list mailing list > >>Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >> > >> > > > > > >__ > >Meteorite-list mailing list > >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] talk about a good idea!
Bill, I see NO indication of shill bidding. What makes it "look" that way to you? Unless you have something substantial you owe the seller a public apology - immediately. It is a slanderous matter when you publicly insinuate that an IMCA member or anyone for that matter, is is engaged in illegal activities. 'Bother' next time. Ken Newton IMCA # 9632 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken, I didn't bother to cross-reference the bidders and seller but it looks like shill and or shill buddy bidding. I know people make mistakes and get carried away at times but this auction reeks. Pretty obvious stuff. Bill -- Original message -- From: ken newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bill, What are you suggesting is not legit and why? Ken Newton IMCA #9632 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, I'm not sure what you mean about the "right" idea. I doubt that's a legitimate auction result. Bill -- Original message -- From: "Tom AKA James Knudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boy this person had the right idea! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=6503491405&; rd=1 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] talk about a good idea!
Ken, I didn't bother to cross-reference the bidders and seller but it looks like shill and or shill buddy bidding. I know people make mistakes and get carried away at times but this auction reeks. Pretty obvious stuff. Bill -- Original message -- From: ken newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Bill, > What are you suggesting is not legit and why? > > Ken Newton > IMCA #9632 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >Tom, > > > >I'm not sure what you mean about the "right" idea. I doubt that's a > >legitimate > auction result. > > > >Bill > > > > > > -- Original message -- > >From: "Tom AKA James Knudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >>Boy this person had the right idea! > >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=6503491405&; > >>rd=1 > >> > >> > >> > > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] talk about a good idea!
Bill, What are you suggesting is not legit and why? Ken Newton IMCA #9632 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, I'm not sure what you mean about the "right" idea. I doubt that's a legitimate auction result. Bill -- Original message -- From: "Tom AKA James Knudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boy this person had the right idea! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=6503491405&; rd=1 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] talk about a good idea!
Tom, I'm not sure what you mean about the "right" idea. I doubt that's a legitimate auction result. Bill -- Original message -- From: "Tom AKA James Knudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Boy this person had the right idea! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=6503491405&; > rd=1 > > Thanks, Tom > peregrineflier <>< > IMCA 6168 > http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] talk about a good idea!
I don't know do you think he had enough photos? on 1/11/05 6:10 PM, Tom AKA James Knudson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Boy this person had the right idea! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=6503491405&; > rd=1 > > Thanks, Tom > peregrineflier <>< > IMCA 6168 > http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
