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What kind of Nigerian scam attempt is this email? Trying to sell garbage trinkets? A,asking what makes it on the list these days. Sent from my iPad > On Jun 6, 2015, at 8:48 PM, Peter Richards via Meteorite-list > wrote: > > To whom it may concern, I am offering this link, for the benefit of > representatives of accredited educational and scientific institutions, > displaying a stone which an Actlabs (of Lancaster, Ontario) report has > identified to me as a granite, which, is almost definitely meteoritic, > which I say due to the distinct coating, and its shape, given that I > have not shaped or coated this stone and that these traits appear in > no way artificial. I can only guess what value to anyone denying that > this could be a meteorite is, but I will have to preclude such > proclamations by reminding people that, unless I have truly missed > something, there is less evidence to support such a claim than there > is to support my above-made claim. > Here is a link to a photo album, please see first photo (sculptures > are for scale reference, btw): > http://www.ipernity.com/doc/312101/album/793480 > I am gauging interest alone here, I do not suppose this counts as an > ad, for the purposes are less than commercial although I, of course, > would like to determine if it is legal for any grants, or such things, > to be given by any willing recipients of any material I make > available, to me, as a token of gratitude, to compensate for my > exertions while acquiring this, and to help me better conserve what I > have collected, in case there is indeed scientific value belonging to > this collection of mine, and, it is ultimately up to Art whether or > not this counts as an advertisement technically speaking. > Promptness will be much appreciated and rewarded where possible. > Once more, this is for accredited educational or scientific > institutions. I will hear of interest from outside the U.S., but the > state department's approval will be needed before anything is provided > to such institutions, as according to law. > Thank you and kindest regards to all, > Peter E. D. Richards > currently of Chicago, IL > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello Michael, no, but I will pass the Actlabs information on to any representatives of accredited institutions who inquire. The stone is a granite, and the photos may not tell the story of the crust glaringly, but it is apparently what is there, for those of us (me only right now) who have the privilege of holding the stone. Thank you for the "bump" anyway, although, of course, I am wondering what your intentions were. Anyway, again, you use official scale cubes, and these animal sculptures are all I have right now, but I understand that it is less than fully ideal, and, again, this is not a commercial sale, so to Mr. Farmer's defence, he is not lowering the price for some associate of his to buy. Yes, I am a real person and an American citizen, and the rock is as it was described, and I am sorry that some people want to tell me it is what sort of terrestrial rock by chance? God knows. Keep looking if interested, and I will try to improve the photos, but there is perhaps adequate visual information already. regards, Peter On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 11:08 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: > What kind of Nigerian scam attempt is this email? Trying to sell garbage > trinkets? > A,asking what makes it on the list these days. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Jun 6, 2015, at 8:48 PM, Peter Richards via Meteorite-list >> wrote: >> >> To whom it may concern, I am offering this link, for the benefit of >> representatives of accredited educational and scientific institutions, >> displaying a stone which an Actlabs (of Lancaster, Ontario) report has >> identified to me as a granite, which, is almost definitely meteoritic, >> which I say due to the distinct coating, and its shape, given that I >> have not shaped or coated this stone and that these traits appear in >> no way artificial. I can only guess what value to anyone denying that >> this could be a meteorite is, but I will have to preclude such >> proclamations by reminding people that, unless I have truly missed >> something, there is less evidence to support such a claim than there >> is to support my above-made claim. >> Here is a link to a photo album, please see first photo (sculptures >> are for scale reference, btw): >> http://www.ipernity.com/doc/312101/album/793480 >> I am gauging interest alone here, I do not suppose this counts as an >> ad, for the purposes are less than commercial although I, of course, >> would like to determine if it is legal for any grants, or such things, >> to be given by any willing recipients of any material I make >> available, to me, as a token of gratitude, to compensate for my >> exertions while acquiring this, and to help me better conserve what I >> have collected, in case there is indeed scientific value belonging to >> this collection of mine, and, it is ultimately up to Art whether or >> not this counts as an advertisement technically speaking. >> Promptness will be much appreciated and rewarded where possible. >> Once more, this is for accredited educational or scientific >> institutions. I will hear of interest from outside the U.S., but the >> state department's approval will be needed before anything is provided >> to such institutions, as according to law. >> Thank you and kindest regards to all, >> Peter E. D. Richards >> currently of Chicago, IL >> __ >> >> Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the >> Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Peter, It's hard to tell from the photos, but I do not see any outward signs that would suggest these rocks might be meteorites. I do not see any fusion crust, and what I do see is probably desert varnish. Desert varnish forms on all rocks, not just meteorites. Have you done a streak test or specific gravity test? These are both low-tech tests that anybody can use to narrow down the range of possibilities. If the rocks fails the streak test, it's not a meteorite. If the rock has a specific gravity that falls outside the range for stony meteorites, then it's not a meteorite. You will find that most "accredited" institutions that work with meteorites do not accept unsolicited samples because of the sheer volume of rocks clogging the system waiting for analysis. My advice is to use the streak and specific gravity tests to help rule in/out the possibility of the stones being meteoritic or terrestrial. If the rocks pass these tests, then try cutting a window into one of them and see if there are any chondrules or metal flecks. Best regards, MikeG PS - there are no granite meteorites, so if the rock is "granite" then it is not a meteorite. -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - On 6/7/15, Peter Richards via Meteorite-list wrote: > Hello Michael, no, but I will pass the Actlabs information on to any > representatives of accredited institutions who inquire. The stone is a > granite, and the photos may not tell the story of the crust glaringly, > but it is apparently what is there, for those of us (me only right > now) who have the privilege of holding the stone. Thank you for the > "bump" anyway, although, of course, I am wondering what your > intentions were. Anyway, again, you use official scale cubes, and > these animal sculptures are all I have right now, but I understand > that it is less than fully ideal, and, again, this is not a commercial > sale, so to Mr. Farmer's defence, he is not lowering the price for > some associate of his to buy. Yes, I am a real person and an American > citizen, and the rock is as it was described, and I am sorry that some > people want to tell me it is what sort of terrestrial rock by chance? > God knows. Keep looking if interested, and I will try to improve the > photos, but there is perhaps adequate visual information already. > regards, > Peter > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 11:08 PM, Michael Farmer > wrote: >> What kind of Nigerian scam attempt is this email? Trying to sell garbage >> trinkets? >> A,asking what makes it on the list these days. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Jun 6, 2015, at 8:48 PM, Peter Richards via Meteorite-list >>> wrote: >>> >>> To whom it may concern, I am offering this link, for the benefit of >>> representatives of accredited educational and scientific institutions, >>> displaying a stone which an Actlabs (of Lancaster, Ontario) report has >>> identified to me as a granite, which, is almost definitely meteoritic, >>> which I say due to the distinct coating, and its shape, given that I >>> have not shaped or coated this stone and that these traits appear in >>> no way artificial. I can only guess what value to anyone denying that >>> this could be a meteorite is, but I will have to preclude such >>> proclamations by reminding people that, unless I have truly missed >>> something, there is less evidence to support such a claim than there >>> is to support my above-made claim. >>> Here is a link to a photo album, please see first photo (sculptures >>> are for scale reference, btw): >>> http://www.ipernity.com/doc/312101/album/793480 >>> I am gauging interest alone here, I do not suppose this counts as an >>> ad, for the purposes are less than commercial although I, of course, >>> would like to determine if it is legal for any grants, or such things, >>> to be given by any willing recipients of any material I make >>> available, to me, as a token of gratitude, to compensate for my >>> exertions while acquiring this, and to help me better conserve what I >>> have collected, in case there is indeed scientific value belonging to >>> this collection of mine, and, it is ultimately up to Art whether or >>> not this counts as an advertisement technically speaking. >>> Promptness will be much appreciated and rewarded where possible. >>> Once more, this is for accredited educational or scientific >>> institutions. I will hear of interest from outside the U.S., but the >>> state department's approval will be needed before anything is provided >>> to such institutions, as according to law. >>> Thank you and kindest regards to all, >>> Peter E. D. Richards >>> currently of Chicago, IL >>> __ >>> >>> Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.c
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Mike, I think your approach is great for novices. I know that not only you but many professional meteoricists have your "hardline", barely logical, if so, preconceived, "paper form" reply, when, of course, it is an odd inheritor of the mantle of people who once said meteorites did not even exist, which I believe Geoff Notkin has reported included the heads of the Catholic church at one point historically. I get that scientists, like you seem to me to, might prefer to discredit the possibility than be honest, yet, again, it is what it is. My previous statements are what they are. You can call them what you want, at the behest of yourself or your friends or whoever motivates you to do what you do. Of course, oddly enough, you seemingly disingenuous people are leaning into this, and seem prepared to throw your all at me in such a muckracking match, in lieu of the professionals. Really, I have some emails from them, so it is the same. You all are what you are, the rock is what it is (as previously described), and I am what I am, and maybe I should have not been provoked by your message, and ignored it, but, I have already written this and the "send" button is in sight, so do not fight. I know how great you all are. I have explained what you are doing. I don't know why. It does protect your financial interests, and my writing the truth, and not being cowed by past "infidelities" is my attempt to protect my own. cordially, Peter P.S. There are no granite meteorites recognized/officially-known and would it not be bizarre if some people had a bias towards wanting it to stay that way? On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote: > Hi Peter, > > It's hard to tell from the photos, but I do not see any outward signs > that would suggest these rocks might be meteorites. I do not see any > fusion crust, and what I do see is probably desert varnish. Desert > varnish forms on all rocks, not just meteorites. > > Have you done a streak test or specific gravity test? These are both > low-tech tests that anybody can use to narrow down the range of > possibilities. If the rocks fails the streak test, it's not a > meteorite. If the rock has a specific gravity that falls outside the > range for stony meteorites, then it's not a meteorite. > > You will find that most "accredited" institutions that work with > meteorites do not accept unsolicited samples because of the sheer > volume of rocks clogging the system waiting for analysis. > > My advice is to use the streak and specific gravity tests to help rule > in/out the possibility of the stones being meteoritic or terrestrial. > If the rocks pass these tests, then try cutting a window into one of > them and see if there are any chondrules or metal flecks. > > Best regards, > > MikeG > > PS - there are no granite meteorites, so if the rock is "granite" then > it is not a meteorite. > > -- > - > Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com > Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone > Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone > - > > On 6/7/15, Peter Richards via Meteorite-list > wrote: >> Hello Michael, no, but I will pass the Actlabs information on to any >> representatives of accredited institutions who inquire. The stone is a >> granite, and the photos may not tell the story of the crust glaringly, >> but it is apparently what is there, for those of us (me only right >> now) who have the privilege of holding the stone. Thank you for the >> "bump" anyway, although, of course, I am wondering what your >> intentions were. Anyway, again, you use official scale cubes, and >> these animal sculptures are all I have right now, but I understand >> that it is less than fully ideal, and, again, this is not a commercial >> sale, so to Mr. Farmer's defence, he is not lowering the price for >> some associate of his to buy. Yes, I am a real person and an American >> citizen, and the rock is as it was described, and I am sorry that some >> people want to tell me it is what sort of terrestrial rock by chance? >> God knows. Keep looking if interested, and I will try to improve the >> photos, but there is perhaps adequate visual information already. >> regards, >> Peter >> >> On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 11:08 PM, Michael Farmer >> wrote: >>> What kind of Nigerian scam attempt is this email? Trying to sell garbage >>> trinkets? >>> A,asking what makes it on the list these days. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> On Jun 6, 2015, at 8:48 PM, Peter Richards via Meteorite-list wrote: To whom it may concern, I am offering this link, for the benefit of representatives of accredited educational and scientific institutions, displaying a stone which an Actlabs (of Lancaster, Ontario) report has identified to me as a granite, which, is almost definitely meteoritic, which I say due
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I was trying to be genuinely helpful. And now I am reminded why I do not reply to these kind of inquiries. The messenger always gets shot. I tried in good faith to be helpful to you and you start launching accusations. The rest of your replies are too incomprehensible or paranoid to warrant a reply. This is my last reply on this matter. Any further replies will cost you $20 per sentence with punctuation being an extra .25 cents per period or comma. Payment in advance only. -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - On 6/7/15, Peter Richards wrote: > Mike, I think your approach is great for novices. I know that not only > you but many professional meteoricists have your "hardline", barely > logical, if so, preconceived, "paper form" reply, when, of course, it > is an odd inheritor of the mantle of people who once said meteorites > did not even exist, which I believe Geoff Notkin has reported included > the heads of the Catholic church at one point historically. I get that > scientists, like you seem to me to, might prefer to discredit the > possibility than be honest, yet, again, it is what it is. My previous > statements are what they are. You can call them what you want, at the > behest of yourself or your friends or whoever motivates you to do what > you do. Of course, oddly enough, you seemingly disingenuous people are > leaning into this, and seem prepared to throw your all at me in such a > muckracking match, in lieu of the professionals. Really, I have some > emails from them, so it is the same. You all are what you are, the > rock is what it is (as previously described), and I am what I am, and > maybe I should have not been provoked by your message, and ignored it, > but, I have already written this and the "send" button is in sight, so > do not fight. I know how great you all are. I have explained what you > are doing. I don't know why. It does protect your financial interests, > and my writing the truth, and not being cowed by past "infidelities" > is my attempt to protect my own. > cordially, > Peter > P.S. There are no granite meteorites recognized/officially-known and > would it not be bizarre if some people had a bias towards wanting it > to stay that way? > > On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks > wrote: >> Hi Peter, >> >> It's hard to tell from the photos, but I do not see any outward signs >> that would suggest these rocks might be meteorites. I do not see any >> fusion crust, and what I do see is probably desert varnish. Desert >> varnish forms on all rocks, not just meteorites. >> >> Have you done a streak test or specific gravity test? These are both >> low-tech tests that anybody can use to narrow down the range of >> possibilities. If the rocks fails the streak test, it's not a >> meteorite. If the rock has a specific gravity that falls outside the >> range for stony meteorites, then it's not a meteorite. >> >> You will find that most "accredited" institutions that work with >> meteorites do not accept unsolicited samples because of the sheer >> volume of rocks clogging the system waiting for analysis. >> >> My advice is to use the streak and specific gravity tests to help rule >> in/out the possibility of the stones being meteoritic or terrestrial. >> If the rocks pass these tests, then try cutting a window into one of >> them and see if there are any chondrules or metal flecks. >> >> Best regards, >> >> MikeG >> >> PS - there are no granite meteorites, so if the rock is "granite" then >> it is not a meteorite. >> >> -- >> - >> Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com >> Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone >> Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone >> Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone >> - >> >> On 6/7/15, Peter Richards via Meteorite-list >> wrote: >>> Hello Michael, no, but I will pass the Actlabs information on to any >>> representatives of accredited institutions who inquire. The stone is a >>> granite, and the photos may not tell the story of the crust glaringly, >>> but it is apparently what is there, for those of us (me only right >>> now) who have the privilege of holding the stone. Thank you for the >>> "bump" anyway, although, of course, I am wondering what your >>> intentions were. Anyway, again, you use official scale cubes, and >>> these animal sculptures are all I have right now, but I understand >>> that it is less than fully ideal, and, again, this is not a commercial >>> sale, so to Mr. Farmer's defence, he is not lowering the price for >>> some associate of his to buy. Yes, I am a real person and an American >>> citizen, and the
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Peter, I think MikeG. wrote a very kind reply trying to help you out. And he's correct, there are no granite meteorites. You would do well to follow his advice. My own opinion is that you have some low resolution photos of rusty rocks which I'm doubtful are meteorites. You'll need to shoot higher resolution images under better (try outdoors) lighting for anyone to make a possible confirmation. Your best bet is to grind off an edge of one of them with coarse sandpaper or a diamond file to see inside. If you find silvery, metallic flecks - NOT mineral crystals - scattered about the rock's matrix then let us know. In the meantime I would caution you against taking up the martyr of truth vs. scientific establishment approach. Regards, Bob On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Peter Richards via Meteorite-list wrote: > Mike, I think your approach is great for novices. I know that not only > you but many professional meteoricists have your "hardline", barely > logical, if so, preconceived, "paper form" reply, when, of course, it > is an odd inheritor of the mantle of people who once said meteorites > did not even exist, which I believe Geoff Notkin has reported included > the heads of the Catholic church at one point historically. I get that > scientists, like you seem to me to, might prefer to discredit the > possibility than be honest, yet, again, it is what it is. My previous > statements are what they are. You can call them what you want, at the > behest of yourself or your friends or whoever motivates you to do what > you do. Of course, oddly enough, you seemingly disingenuous people are > leaning into this, and seem prepared to throw your all at me in such a > muckracking match, in lieu of the professionals. Really, I have some > emails from them, so it is the same. You all are what you are, the > rock is what it is (as previously described), and I am what I am, and > maybe I should have not been provoked by your message, and ignored it, > but, I have already written this and the "send" button is in sight, so > do not fight. I know how great you all are. I have explained what you > are doing. I don't know why. It does protect your financial interests, > and my writing the truth, and not being cowed by past "infidelities" > is my attempt to protect my own. > cordially, > Peter > P.S. There are no granite meteorites recognized/officially-known and > would it not be bizarre if some people had a bias towards wanting it > to stay that way? > > On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks > wrote: >> Hi Peter, >> >> It's hard to tell from the photos, but I do not see any outward signs >> that would suggest these rocks might be meteorites. I do not see any >> fusion crust, and what I do see is probably desert varnish. Desert >> varnish forms on all rocks, not just meteorites. >> >> Have you done a streak test or specific gravity test? These are both >> low-tech tests that anybody can use to narrow down the range of >> possibilities. If the rocks fails the streak test, it's not a >> meteorite. If the rock has a specific gravity that falls outside the >> range for stony meteorites, then it's not a meteorite. >> >> You will find that most "accredited" institutions that work with >> meteorites do not accept unsolicited samples because of the sheer >> volume of rocks clogging the system waiting for analysis. >> >> My advice is to use the streak and specific gravity tests to help rule >> in/out the possibility of the stones being meteoritic or terrestrial. >> If the rocks pass these tests, then try cutting a window into one of >> them and see if there are any chondrules or metal flecks. >> >> Best regards, >> >> MikeG >> >> PS - there are no granite meteorites, so if the rock is "granite" then >> it is not a meteorite. >> >> -- >> - >> Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com >> Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone >> Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone >> Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone >> - >> >> On 6/7/15, Peter Richards via Meteorite-list >> wrote: >>> Hello Michael, no, but I will pass the Actlabs information on to any >>> representatives of accredited institutions who inquire. The stone is a >>> granite, and the photos may not tell the story of the crust glaringly, >>> but it is apparently what is there, for those of us (me only right >>> now) who have the privilege of holding the stone. Thank you for the >>> "bump" anyway, although, of course, I am wondering what your >>> intentions were. Anyway, again, you use official scale cubes, and >>> these animal sculptures are all I have right now, but I understand >>> that it is less than fully ideal, and, again, this is not a commercial >>> sale, so to Mr. Farmer's defence, he is not lowering the price for >>> some associate of his to buy. Yes, I am a real person and an American >>> citizen, and the rock
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I need not be cautioned. There are plenty of liars, or, otherwise, misinformed persons in the world, feasibly, and that is about as scientific a truth as one can get. All your various claims about metal flecks, scratch tests being necessary are plainly fallacious, hence your conclusions based on my improper procedure for not following them is as well. I am sure you all are confident that, at least, for contesting this, even if you are plainly being disingenuous, plainly acting the fools, or tricksters, levaraging your age, knowledge, or experience, to misinform people. It is fine. I know what was done to Steve Curry, and I know, a freemason grocer I know who is a piece of _, as it so happens, might like to inform me that what was done to Curry will be done to me, as he informs me about his taste for sweet potatoes flavoured with Curry (that grocer's name is Michael Garvin and he is a person who displays his bigotry on this shoulder). kind regards and thank you for the insult Michael Farmer, yes I do love the Nigerians but I am not them and when you define "scam" you will see that "metal flecks" and suggesting a granite meteorite is impossible, and the need for scratch tests and specific gravity tests clearly equates with such, you bully later, Peter On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Bob King wrote: > Peter, > I think MikeG. wrote a very kind reply trying to help you out. And > he's correct, there are no granite meteorites. You would do well to > follow his advice. My own opinion is that you have some low resolution > photos of rusty rocks which I'm doubtful are meteorites. You'll need > to shoot higher resolution images under better (try outdoors) lighting > for anyone to make a possible confirmation. Your best bet is to grind > off an edge of one of them with coarse sandpaper or a diamond file to > see inside. If you find silvery, metallic flecks - NOT mineral > crystals - scattered about the rock's matrix then let us know. > In the meantime I would caution you against taking up the martyr of > truth vs. scientific establishment approach. > Regards, > Bob > > On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Peter Richards via Meteorite-list > wrote: >> Mike, I think your approach is great for novices. I know that not only >> you but many professional meteoricists have your "hardline", barely >> logical, if so, preconceived, "paper form" reply, when, of course, it >> is an odd inheritor of the mantle of people who once said meteorites >> did not even exist, which I believe Geoff Notkin has reported included >> the heads of the Catholic church at one point historically. I get that >> scientists, like you seem to me to, might prefer to discredit the >> possibility than be honest, yet, again, it is what it is. My previous >> statements are what they are. You can call them what you want, at the >> behest of yourself or your friends or whoever motivates you to do what >> you do. Of course, oddly enough, you seemingly disingenuous people are >> leaning into this, and seem prepared to throw your all at me in such a >> muckracking match, in lieu of the professionals. Really, I have some >> emails from them, so it is the same. You all are what you are, the >> rock is what it is (as previously described), and I am what I am, and >> maybe I should have not been provoked by your message, and ignored it, >> but, I have already written this and the "send" button is in sight, so >> do not fight. I know how great you all are. I have explained what you >> are doing. I don't know why. It does protect your financial interests, >> and my writing the truth, and not being cowed by past "infidelities" >> is my attempt to protect my own. >> cordially, >> Peter >> P.S. There are no granite meteorites recognized/officially-known and >> would it not be bizarre if some people had a bias towards wanting it >> to stay that way? >> >> On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks >> wrote: >>> Hi Peter, >>> >>> It's hard to tell from the photos, but I do not see any outward signs >>> that would suggest these rocks might be meteorites. I do not see any >>> fusion crust, and what I do see is probably desert varnish. Desert >>> varnish forms on all rocks, not just meteorites. >>> >>> Have you done a streak test or specific gravity test? These are both >>> low-tech tests that anybody can use to narrow down the range of >>> possibilities. If the rocks fails the streak test, it's not a >>> meteorite. If the rock has a specific gravity that falls outside the >>> range for stony meteorites, then it's not a meteorite. >>> >>> You will find that most "accredited" institutions that work with >>> meteorites do not accept unsolicited samples because of the sheer >>> volume of rocks clogging the system waiting for analysis. >>> >>> My advice is to use the streak and specific gravity tests to help rule >>> in/out the possibility of the stones being meteoritic or terrestrial. >>> If the rocks pass these tests, then try cutting a window into one of
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This thread needs to end. - Original Message - From: "Peter Richards via Meteorite-list" To: "Bob King" Cc: Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2015 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Accepting Inquiries From Accredited Scientific or Educational Institutions... I need not be cautioned. There are plenty of liars, or, otherwise, misinformed persons in the world, feasibly, and that is about as scientific a truth as one can get. All your various claims about metal flecks, scratch tests being necessary are plainly fallacious, hence your conclusions based on my improper procedure for not following them is as well. I am sure you all are confident that, at least, for contesting this, even if you are plainly being disingenuous, plainly acting the fools, or tricksters, levaraging your age, knowledge, or experience, to misinform people. It is fine. I know what was done to Steve Curry, and I know, a freemason grocer I know who is a piece of _, as it so happens, might like to inform me that what was done to Curry will be done to me, as he informs me about his taste for sweet potatoes flavoured with Curry (that grocer's name is Michael Garvin and he is a person who displays his bigotry on this shoulder). kind regards and thank you for the insult Michael Farmer, yes I do love the Nigerians but I am not them and when you define "scam" you will see that "metal flecks" and suggesting a granite meteorite is impossible, and the need for scratch tests and specific gravity tests clearly equates with such, you bully later, Peter On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Bob King wrote: > Peter, > I think MikeG. wrote a very kind reply trying to help you out. And > he's correct, there are no granite meteorites. You would do well to > follow his advice. My own opinion is that you have some low resolution > photos of rusty rocks which I'm doubtful are meteorites. You'll need > to shoot higher resolution images under better (try outdoors) lighting > for anyone to make a possible confirmation. Your best bet is to grind > off an edge of one of them with coarse sandpaper or a diamond file to > see inside. If you find silvery, metallic flecks - NOT mineral > crystals - scattered about the rock's matrix then let us know. > In the meantime I would caution you against taking up the martyr of > truth vs. scientific establishment approach. > Regards, > Bob > > On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Peter Richards via Meteorite-list > wrote: >> Mike, I think your approach is great for novices. I know that not only >> you but many professional meteoricists have your "hardline", barely >> logical, if so, preconceived, "paper form" reply, when, of course, it >> is an odd inheritor of the mantle of people who once said meteorites >> did not even exist, which I believe Geoff Notkin has reported included >> the heads of the Catholic church at one point historically. I get that >> scientists, like you seem to me to, might prefer to discredit the >> possibility than be honest, yet, again, it is what it is. My previous >> statements are what they are. You can call them what you want, at the >> behest of yourself or your friends or whoever motivates you to do what >> you do. Of course, oddly enough, you seemingly disingenuous people are >> leaning into this, and seem prepared to throw your all at me in such a >> muckracking match, in lieu of the professionals. Really, I have some >> emails from them, so it is the same. You all are what you are, the >> rock is what it is (as previously described), and I am what I am, and >> maybe I should have not been provoked by your message, and ignored it, >> but, I have already written this and the "send" button is in sight, so >> do not fight. I know how great you all are. I have explained what you >> are doing. I don't know why. It does protect your financial interests, >> and my writing the truth, and not being cowed by past "infidelities" >> is my attempt to protect my own. >> cordially, >> Peter >> P.S. There are no granite meteorites recognized/officially-known and >> would it not be bizarre if some people had a bias towards wanting it >> to stay that way? >> >> On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks >> wrote: >>> Hi Peter, >>> >>> It's hard to tell from the photos, but I do not see any outward signs >>> that would suggest these rocks might be meteorites. I do not see any >>> fusion crust, and what I do see is probably desert varnish. Desert >>> varnish forms on all rocks, not just meteorites. >>> >>> Have you done a streak test or specific gravity test? These are both >>
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I agree, John. It was there. Read it all carefully please, everyone, and we need not continue it one bit, imo. kind regards, Peter On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 1:28 PM, John Lutzon wrote: > > This thread needs to end. > > - Original Message - > From: "Peter Richards via Meteorite-list" > > To: "Bob King" > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2015 2:23 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Accepting Inquiries From Accredited Scientific > or Educational Institutions... > > > I need not be cautioned. There are plenty of liars, or, otherwise, > misinformed persons in the world, feasibly, and that is about as > scientific a truth as one can get. All your various claims about metal > flecks, scratch tests being necessary are plainly fallacious, hence > your conclusions based on my improper procedure for not following them > is as well. I am sure you all are confident that, at least, for > contesting this, even if you are plainly being disingenuous, plainly > acting the fools, or tricksters, levaraging your age, knowledge, or > experience, to misinform people. It is fine. I know what was done to > Steve Curry, and I know, a freemason grocer I know who is a piece of > _, as it so happens, might like to inform me that what was done to > Curry will be done to me, as he informs me about his taste for sweet > potatoes flavoured with Curry (that grocer's name is Michael Garvin > and he is a person who displays his bigotry on this shoulder). > kind regards and thank you for the insult Michael Farmer, yes I do > love the Nigerians but I am not them and when you define "scam" you > will see that "metal flecks" and suggesting a granite meteorite is > impossible, and the need for scratch tests and specific gravity tests > clearly equates with such, you bully > later, > Peter > > On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Bob King wrote: >> Peter, >> I think MikeG. wrote a very kind reply trying to help you out. And >> he's correct, there are no granite meteorites. You would do well to >> follow his advice. My own opinion is that you have some low resolution >> photos of rusty rocks which I'm doubtful are meteorites. You'll need >> to shoot higher resolution images under better (try outdoors) lighting >> for anyone to make a possible confirmation. Your best bet is to grind >> off an edge of one of them with coarse sandpaper or a diamond file to >> see inside. If you find silvery, metallic flecks - NOT mineral >> crystals - scattered about the rock's matrix then let us know. >> In the meantime I would caution you against taking up the martyr of >> truth vs. scientific establishment approach. >> Regards, >> Bob >> >> On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Peter Richards via Meteorite-list >> wrote: >>> Mike, I think your approach is great for novices. I know that not only >>> you but many professional meteoricists have your "hardline", barely >>> logical, if so, preconceived, "paper form" reply, when, of course, it >>> is an odd inheritor of the mantle of people who once said meteorites >>> did not even exist, which I believe Geoff Notkin has reported included >>> the heads of the Catholic church at one point historically. I get that >>> scientists, like you seem to me to, might prefer to discredit the >>> possibility than be honest, yet, again, it is what it is. My previous >>> statements are what they are. You can call them what you want, at the >>> behest of yourself or your friends or whoever motivates you to do what >>> you do. Of course, oddly enough, you seemingly disingenuous people are >>> leaning into this, and seem prepared to throw your all at me in such a >>> muckracking match, in lieu of the professionals. Really, I have some >>> emails from them, so it is the same. You all are what you are, the >>> rock is what it is (as previously described), and I am what I am, and >>> maybe I should have not been provoked by your message, and ignored it, >>> but, I have already written this and the "send" button is in sight, so >>> do not fight. I know how great you all are. I have explained what you >>> are doing. I don't know why. It does protect your financial interests, >>> and my writing the truth, and not being cowed by past "infidelities" >>> is my attempt to protect my own. >>> cordially, >>> Peter >>> P.S. There are no granite meteorites recognized/officially-known and >>> would it not be bizarre if some people had a bias towards wanting it >>> to stay that way? >>> >>&
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You can write up a storm, collectively, bury the truth in words and author's name (all of whom which will have crossed some imaginary line involving the breach of some definition of ethics)... I don't care... You all want to drag it out, bury the truth in words, and try to even convince me that I am incorrect, when the simple truth was presented in early email written by me. On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: > Why even bother? I'm still trying to decipher the first email. I think I can > compare to most Nigerian scams. > > Michael Farmer > >> On Jun 7, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks >> wrote: >> >> I was trying to be genuinely helpful. And now I am reminded why I do >> not reply to these kind of inquiries. The messenger always gets shot. >> I tried in good faith to be helpful to you and you start launching >> accusations. The rest of your replies are too incomprehensible or >> paranoid to warrant a reply. >> >> This is my last reply on this matter. Any further replies will cost >> you $20 per sentence with punctuation being an extra .25 cents per >> period or comma. Payment in advance only. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> - >> Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com >> Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone >> Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone >> Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone >> - >> >>> On 6/7/15, Peter Richards wrote: >>> Mike, I think your approach is great for novices. I know that not only >>> you but many professional meteoricists have your "hardline", barely >>> logical, if so, preconceived, "paper form" reply, when, of course, it >>> is an odd inheritor of the mantle of people who once said meteorites >>> did not even exist, which I believe Geoff Notkin has reported included >>> the heads of the Catholic church at one point historically. I get that >>> scientists, like you seem to me to, might prefer to discredit the >>> possibility than be honest, yet, again, it is what it is. My previous >>> statements are what they are. You can call them what you want, at the >>> behest of yourself or your friends or whoever motivates you to do what >>> you do. Of course, oddly enough, you seemingly disingenuous people are >>> leaning into this, and seem prepared to throw your all at me in such a >>> muckracking match, in lieu of the professionals. Really, I have some >>> emails from them, so it is the same. You all are what you are, the >>> rock is what it is (as previously described), and I am what I am, and >>> maybe I should have not been provoked by your message, and ignored it, >>> but, I have already written this and the "send" button is in sight, so >>> do not fight. I know how great you all are. I have explained what you >>> are doing. I don't know why. It does protect your financial interests, >>> and my writing the truth, and not being cowed by past "infidelities" >>> is my attempt to protect my own. >>> cordially, >>> Peter >>> P.S. There are no granite meteorites recognized/officially-known and >>> would it not be bizarre if some people had a bias towards wanting it >>> to stay that way? >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks >>> wrote: Hi Peter, It's hard to tell from the photos, but I do not see any outward signs that would suggest these rocks might be meteorites. I do not see any fusion crust, and what I do see is probably desert varnish. Desert varnish forms on all rocks, not just meteorites. Have you done a streak test or specific gravity test? These are both low-tech tests that anybody can use to narrow down the range of possibilities. If the rocks fails the streak test, it's not a meteorite. If the rock has a specific gravity that falls outside the range for stony meteorites, then it's not a meteorite. You will find that most "accredited" institutions that work with meteorites do not accept unsolicited samples because of the sheer volume of rocks clogging the system waiting for analysis. My advice is to use the streak and specific gravity tests to help rule in/out the possibility of the stones being meteoritic or terrestrial. If the rocks pass these tests, then try cutting a window into one of them and see if there are any chondrules or metal flecks. Best regards, MikeG PS - there are no granite meteorites, so if the rock is "granite" then it is not a meteorite. -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - On 6/7/15, Peter Richards via M
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Amazing! Read all meteoritics books edited last 10 years, read all Nature's, Sciece and of course Meteoritics and Planetary Science aricles about meteorites. No need of a degree in geology...just read. Visit as museums as you can that takes care of meteorites. Visit Ensishem, Munich and Tucson shows. I'm sure that before completing this simple list you will be able to recognize a meteorite. A real meteorite, not the rocks showed in your images! We are serious people making our best to contribute to meteoritics science. Read, look, and respectfully learn from people who really knows about that. David Allepuz www.meteorits.cat www.cazameteoritos.es IMCA #1496 -Missatge original- From: Peter Richards via Meteorite-list Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2015 8:23 PM To: Bob King Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Accepting Inquiries From Accredited Scientific or Educational Institutions... I need not be cautioned. There are plenty of liars, or, otherwise, misinformed persons in the world, feasibly, and that is about as scientific a truth as one can get. All your various claims about metal flecks, scratch tests being necessary are plainly fallacious, hence your conclusions based on my improper procedure for not following them is as well. I am sure you all are confident that, at least, for contesting this, even if you are plainly being disingenuous, plainly acting the fools, or tricksters, levaraging your age, knowledge, or experience, to misinform people. It is fine. I know what was done to Steve Curry, and I know, a freemason grocer I know who is a piece of _, as it so happens, might like to inform me that what was done to Curry will be done to me, as he informs me about his taste for sweet potatoes flavoured with Curry (that grocer's name is Michael Garvin and he is a person who displays his bigotry on this shoulder). kind regards and thank you for the insult Michael Farmer, yes I do love the Nigerians but I am not them and when you define "scam" you will see that "metal flecks" and suggesting a granite meteorite is impossible, and the need for scratch tests and specific gravity tests clearly equates with such, you bully later, Peter On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Bob King wrote: Peter, I think MikeG. wrote a very kind reply trying to help you out. And he's correct, there are no granite meteorites. You would do well to follow his advice. My own opinion is that you have some low resolution photos of rusty rocks which I'm doubtful are meteorites. You'll need to shoot higher resolution images under better (try outdoors) lighting for anyone to make a possible confirmation. Your best bet is to grind off an edge of one of them with coarse sandpaper or a diamond file to see inside. If you find silvery, metallic flecks - NOT mineral crystals - scattered about the rock's matrix then let us know. In the meantime I would caution you against taking up the martyr of truth vs. scientific establishment approach. Regards, Bob On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Peter Richards via Meteorite-list wrote: Mike, I think your approach is great for novices. I know that not only you but many professional meteoricists have your "hardline", barely logical, if so, preconceived, "paper form" reply, when, of course, it is an odd inheritor of the mantle of people who once said meteorites did not even exist, which I believe Geoff Notkin has reported included the heads of the Catholic church at one point historically. I get that scientists, like you seem to me to, might prefer to discredit the possibility than be honest, yet, again, it is what it is. My previous statements are what they are. You can call them what you want, at the behest of yourself or your friends or whoever motivates you to do what you do. Of course, oddly enough, you seemingly disingenuous people are leaning into this, and seem prepared to throw your all at me in such a muckracking match, in lieu of the professionals. Really, I have some emails from them, so it is the same. You all are what you are, the rock is what it is (as previously described), and I am what I am, and maybe I should have not been provoked by your message, and ignored it, but, I have already written this and the "send" button is in sight, so do not fight. I know how great you all are. I have explained what you are doing. I don't know why. It does protect your financial interests, and my writing the truth, and not being cowed by past "infidelities" is my attempt to protect my own. cordially, Peter P.S. There are no granite meteorites recognized/officially-known and would it not be bizarre if some people had a bias towards wanting it to stay that way? On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote: Hi Peter, It's hard to tell from the photos, but I do not see any outward signs that would suggest these rocks might be met
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Peter, Everything you have said may be correct. If you have never before seen, a new type of meteorite like a Granite meteorite then none of the subscribed tests will due any good because , as you said. This would be a New type. We have all faced what you are facing. Experience has taught us that in your situation there is but one way to verify your material. Lacking clearly recognizable fusion crust , That is to get it tested for "cosmogenic nuclides" to see if it has ever been in space. This is the only way I know to verify ANY new type of material. Otherwise it gets pigeonholed 100% of the time. I don't know who does this testing for the general public. I know U of A does it for NASA and others. Once this is established then I'm sure Scientists will be happy to study your rock but, until then your rock is just a rock. I hope this helps. Best, Carl -- Love & Life Peter Richards via Meteorite-list wrote: > I agree, John. It was there. Read it all carefully please, everyone, > and we need not continue it one bit, imo. > kind regards, > Peter > > On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 1:28 PM, John Lutzon wrote: > > > > This thread needs to end. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Peter Richards via Meteorite-list" > > > > To: "Bob King" > > Cc: > > Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2015 2:23 PM > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Accepting Inquiries From Accredited > > Scientific or Educational Institutions... > > > > > > I need not be cautioned. There are plenty of liars, or, otherwise, > > misinformed persons in the world, feasibly, and that is about as > > scientific a truth as one can get. All your various claims about metal > > flecks, scratch tests being necessary are plainly fallacious, hence > > your conclusions based on my improper procedure for not following them > > is as well. I am sure you all are confident that, at least, for > > contesting this, even if you are plainly being disingenuous, plainly > > acting the fools, or tricksters, levaraging your age, knowledge, or > > experience, to misinform people. It is fine. I know what was done to > > Steve Curry, and I know, a freemason grocer I know who is a piece of > > _, as it so happens, might like to inform me that what was done to > > Curry will be done to me, as he informs me about his taste for sweet > > potatoes flavoured with Curry (that grocer's name is Michael Garvin > > and he is a person who displays his bigotry on this shoulder). > > kind regards and thank you for the insult Michael Farmer, yes I do > > love the Nigerians but I am not them and when you define "scam" you > > will see that "metal flecks" and suggesting a granite meteorite is > > impossible, and the need for scratch tests and specific gravity tests > > clearly equates with such, you bully > > later, > > Peter > > > > On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Bob King wrote: > >> Peter, > >> I think MikeG. wrote a very kind reply trying to help you out. And > >> he's correct, there are no granite meteorites. You would do well to > >> follow his advice. My own opinion is that you have some low resolution > >> photos of rusty rocks which I'm doubtful are meteorites. You'll need > >> to shoot higher resolution images under better (try outdoors) lighting > >> for anyone to make a possible confirmation. Your best bet is to grind > >> off an edge of one of them with coarse sandpaper or a diamond file to > >> see inside. If you find silvery, metallic flecks - NOT mineral > >> crystals - scattered about the rock's matrix then let us know. > >> In the meantime I would caution you against taking up the martyr of > >> truth vs. scientific establishment approach. > >> Regards, > >> Bob > >> > >> On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Peter Richards via Meteorite-list > >> wrote: > >>> Mike, I think your approach is great for novices. I know that not only > >>> you but many professional meteoricists have your "hardline", barely > >>> logical, if so, preconceived, "paper form" reply, when, of course, it > >>> is an odd inheritor of the mantle of people who once said meteorites > >>> did not even exist, which I believe Geoff Notkin has reported included > >>> the heads of the Catholic church at one point historically. I get that > >>> scientists, like you seem to me to, might prefer to discredit the > >>> possibility than be honest, yet, again, it is what it is. My previous > >>> stateme
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You are severely underpricing your punctuation. Really good comma's are worth at least two bucks a pair. A proper semi-colon should be $1.00 to $1.50. You should work up a detailed price list... Sterling Webb -- -Original Message- From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2015 1:02 PM To: Peter Richards Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Michael Farmer Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Accepting Inquiries From Accredited Scientific or Educational Institutions... I was trying to be genuinely helpful. And now I am reminded why I do not reply to these kind of inquiries. The messenger always gets shot. I tried in good faith to be helpful to you and you start launching accusations. The rest of your replies are too incomprehensible or paranoid to warrant a reply. This is my last reply on this matter. Any further replies will cost you $20 per sentence with punctuation being an extra .25 cents per period or comma. Payment in advance only. -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - On 6/7/15, Peter Richards wrote: > Mike, I think your approach is great for novices. I know that not only > you but many professional meteoricists have your "hardline", barely > logical, if so, preconceived, "paper form" reply, when, of course, it > is an odd inheritor of the mantle of people who once said meteorites > did not even exist, which I believe Geoff Notkin has reported included > the heads of the Catholic church at one point historically. I get that > scientists, like you seem to me to, might prefer to discredit the > possibility than be honest, yet, again, it is what it is. My previous > statements are what they are. You can call them what you want, at the > behest of yourself or your friends or whoever motivates you to do what > you do. Of course, oddly enough, you seemingly disingenuous people are > leaning into this, and seem prepared to throw your all at me in such a > muckracking match, in lieu of the professionals. Really, I have some > emails from them, so it is the same. You all are what you are, the > rock is what it is (as previously described), and I am what I am, and > maybe I should have not been provoked by your message, and ignored it, > but, I have already written this and the "send" button is in sight, so > do not fight. I know how great you all are. I have explained what you > are doing. I don't know why. It does protect your financial interests, > and my writing the truth, and not being cowed by past "infidelities" > is my attempt to protect my own. > cordially, > Peter > P.S. There are no granite meteorites recognized/officially-known and > would it not be bizarre if some people had a bias towards wanting it > to stay that way? > > On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks > wrote: >> Hi Peter, >> >> It's hard to tell from the photos, but I do not see any outward signs >> that would suggest these rocks might be meteorites. I do not see any >> fusion crust, and what I do see is probably desert varnish. Desert >> varnish forms on all rocks, not just meteorites. >> >> Have you done a streak test or specific gravity test? These are both >> low-tech tests that anybody can use to narrow down the range of >> possibilities. If the rocks fails the streak test, it's not a >> meteorite. If the rock has a specific gravity that falls outside the >> range for stony meteorites, then it's not a meteorite. >> >> You will find that most "accredited" institutions that work with >> meteorites do not accept unsolicited samples because of the sheer >> volume of rocks clogging the system waiting for analysis. >> >> My advice is to use the streak and specific gravity tests to help >> rule in/out the possibility of the stones being meteoritic or terrestrial. >> If the rocks pass these tests, then try cutting a window into one of >> them and see if there are any chondrules or metal flecks. >> >> Best regards, >> >> MikeG >> >> PS - there are no granite meteorites, so if the rock is "granite" >> then it is not a meteorite. >> >> -- >> - >> Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com >> Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/gala
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Greetings, It doesn't matter what a real meteorite is to these type of people. They believe that what they have is a meteorite and we are all plotting against them. They think we are trying to cheat them out of their specimen worth millions of dollars. You can't reason with insanity by trying to show them what a real specimen is like! Don't offer facts that might interfere with their fantasies. Steve Curry's name came up in all of this. He was found guilty of three counts of fraud selling fake specimens. I am sure the justice system is also conspiring with the meteorite community. Read Here: http://www.gjsentinel.com/news/articles/fake-space-rock-peddler-guilty-on-three-counts/ Sorry but we deal in the real item here. Not granite. Best! --AL Mitterling Quoting David Allepuz via Meteorite-list : Amazing! Read all meteoritics books edited last 10 years, read all Nature's, Sciece and of course Meteoritics and Planetary Science aricles about meteorites. No need of a degree in geology...just read. Visit as museums as you can that takes care of meteorites. Visit Ensishem, Munich and Tucson shows. I'm sure that before completing this simple list you will be able to recognize a meteorite. A real meteorite, not the rocks showed in your images! We are serious people making our best to contribute to meteoritics science. Read, look, and respectfully learn from people who really knows about that. David Allepuz www.meteorits.cat www.cazameteoritos.es IMCA #1496 __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Okay Elton, I have added a higher res photo and I have added what I received from sample testing at Actlabs for anyone who is curious. Yes, I am a bit lost, but does it still seem meteoritic? It does, for a desert-varnish idea seems to fall a bit flat, for one. I have been fooled before, in numerous ways, however, who knows, perhaps more than the next guy. Thank you everyone for your patience with me, my forays into ignorance, and occasional laziness. I would love to learn more, and any clues to help me pick up the trail, or other assistance will at least be thanked. As for the paranoia/righteous-suspicion duality, it would be great again, to see evidence that certain various things are not indeed mislabelled as "paranoia", which happens to be a loaded term in many situations, this included. (http://www.ipernity.com/doc/312101/album/793480) graciously, Peter On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 2:28 PM, MEM wrote: > Dear Peter, invoking the name "Steve Curry"--inferring that he was a > "victim" and even the slightest hint that you might be being "Curry-boated", > speaks volumes-- all in the negative. Unless this thread gets into some > substantial technical detail, I agree with John that it is fruitless to > continue it. I am including some of that technical discussion. > > As to an Actulab finding of granite--I concede granite is nearing > "obsolescence" as a rock fabric/texture descriptive mineralogy term, as > there are dozens of garanitoid rock textures now that science is more > sophisticated in describing plutonic rocks. "Granite" works for general > class discussion but does lack definition when discussing specific rock > histories. > > I assume however that your lab result included a "normative mineralogy" > adjustment such that there is a substantial amount of silica/quartz/SiO4 > reflected in the result. All the "red herring"/tangent arguments won't > change that. Your unwillingness to post the lab findings furthers the > righteous suspicions that this is not meteoritic. I also observe that the > fact that you have posted your specimen's photo in lack-luster detail, along > with a host of animal carvings doesn't lend to your meteorite assertion as > being credible. > > Granite meteorites are highly improbable. They would have to come from a > deeply excavated crater upon else a tectonically active-at-some-time, large > rocky planet with thick crust. There are are 2 candidates remaining in the > solar system and neither of those bodies have confirmed meteorites in our > samplings. > > Regards, > Elton > > ________ > From: John Lutzon via Meteorite-list > To: Peter Richards > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 2:28 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Accepting Inquiries From Accredited Scientific > or Educational Institutions... > > > This thread needs to end. > __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Peter, Is this another picture of the same meteorite/stone picture that you posted on Dec 21, 2012? Or is it a new find? https://plus.google.com/107107085131296652170#107107085131296652170/posts John - Original Message - From: "Peter Richards via Meteorite-list" To: "MEM" Cc: Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2015 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Accepting Inquiries From Accredited Scientific or Educational Institutions... Okay Elton, I have added a higher res photo and I have added what I received from sample testing at Actlabs for anyone who is curious. Yes, I am a bit lost, but does it still seem meteoritic? It does, for a desert-varnish idea seems to fall a bit flat, for one. I have been fooled before, in numerous ways, however, who knows, perhaps more than the next guy. Thank you everyone for your patience with me, my forays into ignorance, and occasional laziness. I would love to learn more, and any clues to help me pick up the trail, or other assistance will at least be thanked. As for the paranoia/righteous-suspicion duality, it would be great again, to see evidence that certain various things are not indeed mislabelled as "paranoia", which happens to be a loaded term in many situations, this included. (http://www.ipernity.com/doc/312101/album/793480) graciously, Peter On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 2:28 PM, MEM wrote: > Dear Peter, invoking the name "Steve Curry"--inferring that he was a > "victim" and even the slightest hint that you might be being "Curry-boated", > speaks volumes-- all in the negative. Unless this thread gets into some > substantial technical detail, I agree with John that it is fruitless to > continue it. I am including some of that technical discussion. > > As to an Actulab finding of granite--I concede granite is nearing > "obsolescence" as a rock fabric/texture descriptive mineralogy term, as > there are dozens of garanitoid rock textures now that science is more > sophisticated in describing plutonic rocks. "Granite" works for general > class discussion but does lack definition when discussing specific rock > histories. > > I assume however that your lab result included a "normative mineralogy" > adjustment such that there is a substantial amount of silica/quartz/SiO4 > reflected in the result. All the "red herring"/tangent arguments won't > change that. Your unwillingness to post the lab findings furthers the > righteous suspicions that this is not meteoritic. I also observe that the > fact that you have posted your specimen's photo in lack-luster detail, along > with a host of animal carvings doesn't lend to your meteorite assertion as > being credible. > > Granite meteorites are highly improbable. They would have to come from a > deeply excavated crater upon else a tectonically active-at-some-time, large > rocky planet with thick crust. There are are 2 candidates remaining in the > solar system and neither of those bodies have confirmed meteorites in our > samplings. > > Regards, > Elton > > ________ > From: John Lutzon via Meteorite-list > To: Peter Richards > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 2:28 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Accepting Inquiries From Accredited Scientific > or Educational Institutions... > > > This thread needs to end. > __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
