Re: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay
Dear Listees: New Year's greetings. I hope you all enjoyed the holiday weekend. I had a wonderful time up in Phoenix with my girlfriend. About a year ago, Steve and I did a radio interview about our TV series for Slice of SciFi, which is based in Phoenix. I have since done two more interviews for the same station and became great friends with the hosts. They invited us up to their winter party and it was a blast. Science Fiction fans among you should definitely check out their show; it's outstanding (and very funny!): http://www.sliceofscifi.com As a result, I took the rather unusual step of not following my emails over the weekend, and came home to read all this business about my Ebay auction. So, here is the deal: Both the high bidders are not only customers of mine, but also friends. One is an experienced collector and a very popular member of the community; the other is a new collector and also, fairly obviously, new to Ebay. If either party wishes to withdraw their bids on the Bassikounou, it's fine with me, and no hard feelings. I'm also happy to close the auction and start it again from scratch if either bidder requests that I do so. Further, if anyone still thinks there is anything questionable about this auction, please email me off-List and I will ask both bidder's permission to provide their names and email addresses and you can do your own verification. Apologies from Don and Greg both accepted. FYI: when someone makes an accusation on the List, not only does it go out to hundreds people around the world, but it also gets permanently archived in the Meteorite Central database. In other words, as long as the Internet is around there will now be a bunch of searchable posts linking my name and my Ebay auctions to accusations of shill bidding. That doesn't make me real happy, so it's maybe a good idea to do a little fact checking, and to think twice, before posting something inflammatory. Anyway, to end on a positive note there is one really extraordinary offering among my current auctions and I invite you all to take a look. It is a 91.5-gram Sikhote-Alin shrapnel specimen with a superb impact pit. The pit has a well-formed splash rim and is 17 mm in diameter! I believe it is the second-largest impact pit I've ever seen on a Sikhote-Alin: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=170585040150 And the rest of them are here: http://shop.ebay.com/aerolitemeteorites/m.html Regards to all, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoritemen.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay
Looks like the bidder w/93 is on auto-bid. His max bid is probably higher still. I must say, that's a lovely looking specimen Geoff's offering. Beautiful rollover lip. I'm afraid I won't be able to join in on the bidding though. ;^) Linton - Original Message - From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 10:51 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay And he just got outbid by a bidder with 93 feedbacks! I never complain about situations like this. Bidding wars bring in badly needed income during the Great Recession when you're lucky to sell anything at any price. Phil Whitmer --- http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsitem=170585023324 current bid is at $180 for a 2.3g complete oriented Bassikounou H5 chondrite granted Geoff's offering is a pristine example of flight orientation of an OC, but would anybody in their right mind bid $79/g? FWIW, this 'new' guy has 0 feedback. Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay
The fact that one individual bidder has 0 feedback and that many bids on one item in that span of time, leads me to feel that maybe a form of bid rigging is taken place. At least that's what would catch my eye and put my guard up. Now that the price is where the seller wants it, it would not surprise me that Mr. 0 feedback will not bid again. If I was the high bidder I would retract my bid this way Mr. 0 would be high bidder! I could be wrong on all this but I have seen this game before on several occasions. Here is a link to a news source in which an eBay bidder was arrested and charged with bidding on his own auctions because he said they were lower then expected...he even admits creating another account with name to do this bidding rigging! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1267410/Ebay-seller-faces-fine-bidding-items-raise-prices.html Sincerely Don Merchant IMCA #0960 Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders http://www.ctreasurescwonders.com/index.html - Original Message - From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com To: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsitem=170585023324 current bid is at $180 for a 2.3g complete oriented Bassikounou H5 chondrite granted Geoff's offering is a pristine example of flight orientation of an OC, but would anybody in their right mind bid $79/g? FWIW, this 'new' guy has 0 feedback. Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay
An Ebayer bidding on his own stuff. Wow, there's a shocker. Greg L. From: dmerc...@rochester.rr.com To: fuj...@mac.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:44:32 -0500 CC: dmerc...@rochester.rr.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay The fact that one individual bidder has 0 feedback and that many bids on one item in that span of time, leads me to feel that maybe a form of bid rigging is taken place. At least that's what would catch my eye and put my guard up. Now that the price is where the seller wants it, it would not surprise me that Mr. 0 feedback will not bid again. If I was the high bidder I would retract my bid this way Mr. 0 would be high bidder! I could be wrong on all this but I have seen this game before on several occasions. Here is a link to a news source in which an eBay bidder was arrested and charged with bidding on his own auctions because he said they were lower then expected...he even admits creating another account with name to do this bidding rigging! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1267410/Ebay-seller-faces-fine-bidding-items-raise-prices.html Sincerely Don Merchant IMCA #0960 Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders http://www.ctreasurescwonders.com/index.html - Original Message - From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com To: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsitem=170585023324 current bid is at $180 for a 2.3g complete oriented Bassikounou H5 chondrite granted Geoff's offering is a pristine example of flight orientation of an OC, but would anybody in their right mind bid $79/g? FWIW, this 'new' guy has 0 feedback. Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay
Don, Greg, OMG I can't believe what I am reading here. We are talking about Geoff Notkin. I am sorry but, I have to speak up here. Geoff is NOT shilling here. He would simply never be a part of anything like that. The reason it looks like the *0* feedback bidder bid so many times is because the bidder with 93 feedbacks bid around 15 times until he was high bidder. This has nothing to do with any shill or conspiracy. It is simply how eBay works. Again ,I say for the record. Geoff is way to cool to be involved in ANY thing illegal. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax GREG LINDH gee...@msn.com wrote: An Ebayer bidding on his own stuff. Wow, there's a shocker. Greg L. From: dmerc...@rochester.rr.com To: fuj...@mac.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:44:32 -0500 CC: dmerc...@rochester.rr.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay The fact that one individual bidder has 0 feedback and that many bids on one item in that span of time, leads me to feel that maybe a form of bid rigging is taken place. At least that's what would catch my eye and put my guard up. Now that the price is where the seller wants it, it would not surprise me that Mr. 0 feedback will not bid again. If I was the high bidder I would retract my bid this way Mr. 0 would be high bidder! I could be wrong on all this but I have seen this game before on several occasions. Here is a link to a news source in which an eBay bidder was arrested and charged with bidding on his own auctions because he said they were lower then expected...he even admits creating another account with name to do this bidding rigging! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1267410/Ebay-seller-faces-fine-bidding-items-raise-prices.html Sincerely Don Merchant IMCA #0960 Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders http://www.ctreasurescwonders.com/index.html - Original Message - From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com To: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsitem=170585023324 current bid is at $180 for a 2.3g complete oriented Bassikounou H5 chondrite granted Geoff's offering is a pristine example of flight orientation of an OC, but would anybody in their right mind bid $79/g? FWIW, this 'new' guy has 0 feedback. Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay
Carl, All, For those who apparently don't know how to read the bidding statistics on a given page, the important thing to look at is the time at which a bid was placed -- not the order in which it appears on the list. The current top bid, held by 3***g( 93), was placed on December 31st, at ~10:30am PST. a***a( 419) tried to outbid 3***g( 93) twice the next day (Jan. 1), placing bids of $50 and $60. At this point, s***t( 0 ) placed no fewer than 14 bids, the last of which was for $180. This drove the price to $182.50, which...makes sense, since the bid increment up to $250 is $2.50. This looks like a typical example of someone bidding an item up. But since we all know Geoff and he does have good standing, it would be strange to accuse him of anything without evidence of some sort. It's probably just someone who doesn't understand how best to use ebay. Or it could even be a recurrence of our non-paying fellow from a week or so ago... Regards, Jason On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 3:35 PM, cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: Don, Greg, OMG I can't believe what I am reading here. We are talking about Geoff Notkin. I am sorry but, I have to speak up here. Geoff is NOT shilling here. He would simply never be a part of anything like that. The reason it looks like the *0* feedback bidder bid so many times is because the bidder with 93 feedbacks bid around 15 times until he was high bidder. This has nothing to do with any shill or conspiracy. It is simply how eBay works. Again ,I say for the record. Geoff is way to cool to be involved in ANY thing illegal. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax GREG LINDH gee...@msn.com wrote: An Ebayer bidding on his own stuff. Wow, there's a shocker. Greg L. From: dmerc...@rochester.rr.com To: fuj...@mac.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:44:32 -0500 CC: dmerc...@rochester.rr.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay The fact that one individual bidder has 0 feedback and that many bids on one item in that span of time, leads me to feel that maybe a form of bid rigging is taken place. At least that's what would catch my eye and put my guard up. Now that the price is where the seller wants it, it would not surprise me that Mr. 0 feedback will not bid again. If I was the high bidder I would retract my bid this way Mr. 0 would be high bidder! I could be wrong on all this but I have seen this game before on several occasions. Here is a link to a news source in which an eBay bidder was arrested and charged with bidding on his own auctions because he said they were lower then expected...he even admits creating another account with name to do this bidding rigging! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1267410/Ebay-seller-faces-fine-bidding-items-raise-prices.html Sincerely Don Merchant IMCA #0960 Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders http://www.ctreasurescwonders.com/index.html - Original Message - From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com To: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsitem=170585023324 current bid is at $180 for a 2.3g complete oriented Bassikounou H5 chondrite granted Geoff's offering is a pristine example of flight orientation of an OC, but would anybody in their right mind bid $79/g? FWIW, this 'new' guy has 0 feedback. Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay
Or it could be just a fan of the show. Todd On Jan 2, 2011, at 5:48 PM, Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com wrote: Carl, All, For those who apparently don't know how to read the bidding statistics on a given page, the important thing to look at is the time at which a bid was placed -- not the order in which it appears on the list. The current top bid, held by 3***g( 93), was placed on December 31st, at ~10:30am PST. a***a( 419) tried to outbid 3***g( 93) twice the next day (Jan. 1), placing bids of $50 and $60. At this point, s***t( 0 ) placed no fewer than 14 bids, the last of which was for $180. This drove the price to $182.50, which...makes sense, since the bid increment up to $250 is $2.50. This looks like a typical example of someone bidding an item up. But since we all know Geoff and he does have good standing, it would be strange to accuse him of anything without evidence of some sort. It's probably just someone who doesn't understand how best to use ebay. Or it could even be a recurrence of our non-paying fellow from a week or so ago... Regards, Jason On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 3:35 PM, cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: Don, Greg, OMG I can't believe what I am reading here. We are talking about Geoff Notkin. I am sorry but, I have to speak up here. Geoff is NOT shilling here. He would simply never be a part of anything like that. The reason it looks like the *0* feedback bidder bid so many times is because the bidder with 93 feedbacks bid around 15 times until he was high bidder. This has nothing to do with any shill or conspiracy. It is simply how eBay works. Again ,I say for the record. Geoff is way to cool to be involved in ANY thing illegal. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax GREG LINDH gee...@msn.com wrote: An Ebayer bidding on his own stuff. Wow, there's a shocker. Greg L. From: dmerc...@rochester.rr.com To: fuj...@mac.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:44:32 -0500 CC: dmerc...@rochester.rr.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay The fact that one individual bidder has 0 feedback and that many bids on one item in that span of time, leads me to feel that maybe a form of bid rigging is taken place. At least that's what would catch my eye and put my guard up. Now that the price is where the seller wants it, it would not surprise me that Mr. 0 feedback will not bid again. If I was the high bidder I would retract my bid this way Mr. 0 would be high bidder! I could be wrong on all this but I have seen this game before on several occasions. Here is a link to a news source in which an eBay bidder was arrested and charged with bidding on his own auctions because he said they were lower then expected...he even admits creating another account with name to do this bidding rigging! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1267410/Ebay-seller-faces-fine-bidding-items-raise-prices.html Sincerely Don Merchant IMCA #0960 Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders http://www.ctreasurescwonders.com/index.html - Original Message - From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com To: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsitem=170585023324 current bid is at $180 for a 2.3g complete oriented Bassikounou H5 chondrite granted Geoff's offering is a pristine example of flight orientation of an OC, but would anybody in their right mind bid $79/g? FWIW, this 'new' guy has 0 feedback. Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing
Re: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay
Hey Don, Greg, Did you even bother looking at who's auction this is? Do you realize that the Met-List is a PUBLIC forum? Not just in your email box... Maybe you don't mean to associate a reputable member of this communbity with the practices you mention, but your statements can be seriously misinterpreted by others. Perhaps showing some thoughtful intelligent restraint is a good thing here instead of being overly suspicious by pointing out probably completely unrelated circumstances which could cause an automatic and mistaken association with one of our communities most reputable dealers. It's probably just and overly zealous and extremely excited inexperienced bidder. Don't forget, this auction is for an extremely exquisite, flight oriented, rollover lipped, beautifully fusion crusted meteorite, being offered by none of than the world famous Geoff Notkin of the Meteorite Men. Naaa... That couldn't possibly be the reason it's got such high bids. Regards, Eric On 1/2/2011 2:50 PM, GREG LINDH wrote: An Ebayer bidding on his own stuff. Wow, there's a shocker. Greg L. From: dmerc...@rochester.rr.com To: fuj...@mac.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:44:32 -0500 CC: dmerc...@rochester.rr.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay The fact that one individual bidder has 0 feedback and that many bids on one item in that span of time, leads me to feel that maybe a form of bid rigging is taken place. At least that's what would catch my eye and put my guard up. Now that the price is where the seller wants it, it would not surprise me that Mr. 0 feedback will not bid again. If I was the high bidder I would retract my bid this way Mr. 0 would be high bidder! I could be wrong on all this but I have seen this game before on several occasions. Here is a link to a news source in which an eBay bidder was arrested and charged with bidding on his own auctions because he said they were lower then expected...he even admits creating another account with name to do this bidding rigging! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1267410/Ebay-seller-faces-fine-bidding-items-raise-prices.html Sincerely Don Merchant IMCA #0960 Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders http://www.ctreasurescwonders.com/index.html - Original Message - From: Gary Fujiharafuj...@mac.com To: MeteorListmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsitem=170585023324 current bid is at $180 for a 2.3g complete oriented Bassikounou H5 chondrite granted Geoff's offering is a pristine example of flight orientation of an OC, but would anybody in their right mind bid $79/g? FWIW, this 'new' guy has 0 feedback. Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay
Seems odd that somehow Geoff got mixed up in this discussion. I see this as nothing more that tv-show groupees seeing a value (perhaps rightly so if they had discovered the B-meteorites, but even still because of the celeb status)...for anyone unaware of current $-trends for any Bassikounou, and never looking into real-collection offering pricings, I can actually see this happening. (Even Sikhote Alin ~30-40 gram rusty-oily shrapnels were going for 1$+/gram today, go figure.) When I originally read the first two posts, Geoff never came to mind, still doesn't. Certainly shill-bidding didn't. Let's watch the newbees instead. Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay Carl, All, For those who apparently don't know how to read the bidding statistics on a given page, the important thing to look at is the time at which a bid was placed -- not the order in which it appears on the list. The current top bid, held by 3***g( 93), was placed on December 31st, at ~10:30am PST. a***a( 419) tried to outbid 3***g( 93) twice the next day (Jan. 1), placing bids of $50 and $60. At this point, s***t( 0 ) placed no fewer than 14 bids, the last of which was for $180. This drove the price to $182.50, which...makes sense, since the bid increment up to $250 is $2.50. This looks like a typical example of someone bidding an item up. But since we all know Geoff and he does have good standing, it would be strange to accuse him of anything without evidence of some sort. It's probably just someone who doesn't understand how best to use ebay. Or it could even be a recurrence of our non-paying fellow from a week or so ago... Regards, Jason On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 3:35 PM, cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: Don, Greg, OMG I can't believe what I am reading here. We are talking about Geoff Notkin. I am sorry but, I have to speak up here. Geoff is NOT shilling here. He would simply never be a part of anything like that. The reason it looks like the *0* feedback bidder bid so many times is because the bidder with 93 feedbacks bid around 15 times until he was high bidder. This has nothing to do with any shill or conspiracy. It is simply how eBay works. Again ,I say for the record. Geoff is way to cool to be involved in ANY thing illegal. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax GREG LINDH gee...@msn.com wrote: An Ebayer bidding on his own stuff. Wow, there's a shocker. Greg L. From: dmerc...@rochester.rr.com To: fuj...@mac.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:44:32 -0500 CC: dmerc...@rochester.rr.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay The fact that one individual bidder has 0 feedback and that many bids on one item in that span of time, leads me to feel that maybe a form of bid rigging is taken place. At least that's what would catch my eye and put my guard up. Now that the price is where the seller wants it, it would not surprise me that Mr. 0 feedback will not bid again. If I was the high bidder I would retract my bid this way Mr. 0 would be high bidder! I could be wrong on all this but I have seen this game before on several occasions. Here is a link to a news source in which an eBay bidder was arrested and charged with bidding on his own auctions because he said they were lower then expected...he even admits creating another account with name to do this bidding rigging! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1267410/Ebay-seller-faces-fine-bidding-items-raise-prices.html Sincerely Don Merchant IMCA #0960 Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders http://www.ctreasurescwonders.com/index.html - Original Message - From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com To: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsitem=170585023324 current bid is at $180 for a 2.3g complete oriented Bassikounou H5 chondrite granted Geoff's offering is a pristine example of flight orientation of an OC, but would anybody in their right mind bid $79/g? FWIW, this 'new' guy has 0 feedback. Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
Re: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay
Eric, My mistake. I didn't notice that it was Geoff. Had I noticed, I would not have even posted. Greg L. Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 16:00:25 -0800 From: e...@meteoritesusa.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay Hey Don, Greg, Did you even bother looking at who's auction this is? Do you realize that the Met-List is a PUBLIC forum? Not just in your email box... Maybe you don't mean to associate a reputable member of this communbity with the practices you mention, but your statements can be seriously misinterpreted by others. Perhaps showing some thoughtful intelligent restraint is a good thing here instead of being overly suspicious by pointing out probably completely unrelated circumstances which could cause an automatic and mistaken association with one of our communities most reputable dealers. It's probably just and overly zealous and extremely excited inexperienced bidder. Don't forget, this auction is for an extremely exquisite, flight oriented, rollover lipped, beautifully fusion crusted meteorite, being offered by none of than the world famous Geoff Notkin of the Meteorite Men. Naaa... That couldn't possibly be the reason it's got such high bids. Regards, Eric On 1/2/2011 2:50 PM, GREG LINDH wrote: An Ebayer bidding on his own stuff. Wow, there's a shocker. Greg L. From: dmerc...@rochester.rr.com To: fuj...@mac.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:44:32 -0500 CC: dmerc...@rochester.rr.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay The fact that one individual bidder has 0 feedback and that many bids on one item in that span of time, leads me to feel that maybe a form of bid rigging is taken place. At least that's what would catch my eye and put my guard up. Now that the price is where the seller wants it, it would not surprise me that Mr. 0 feedback will not bid again. If I was the high bidder I would retract my bid this way Mr. 0 would be high bidder! I could be wrong on all this but I have seen this game before on several occasions. Here is a link to a news source in which an eBay bidder was arrested and charged with bidding on his own auctions because he said they were lower then expected...he even admits creating another account with name to do this bidding rigging! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1267410/Ebay-seller-faces-fine-bidding-items-raise-prices.html Sincerely Don Merchant IMCA #0960 Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders http://www.ctreasurescwonders.com/index.html - Original Message - From: Gary Fujihara To: MeteorList Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsitem=170585023324 current bid is at $180 for a 2.3g complete oriented Bassikounou H5 chondrite granted Geoff's offering is a pristine example of flight orientation of an OC, but would anybody in their right mind bid $79/g? FWIW, this 'new' guy has 0 feedback. Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay
Hi List. I apologize as Greg did that I too did not realize it was Geoff's auction...My deepest and sincere apologies to Geoff and List as I assumed it was a listing by someone else. Shame on me for not reading past my nose! Sincerely Don Merchant IMCA #0960 Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders http://www.ctreasurescwonders.com/index.html - Original Message - From: GREG LINDH gee...@msn.com To: e...@meteoritesusa.com Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay Eric, My mistake. I didn't notice that it was Geoff. Had I noticed, I would not have even posted. Greg L. Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 16:00:25 -0800 From: e...@meteoritesusa.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay Hey Don, Greg, Did you even bother looking at who's auction this is? Do you realize that the Met-List is a PUBLIC forum? Not just in your email box... Maybe you don't mean to associate a reputable member of this communbity with the practices you mention, but your statements can be seriously misinterpreted by others. Perhaps showing some thoughtful intelligent restraint is a good thing here instead of being overly suspicious by pointing out probably completely unrelated circumstances which could cause an automatic and mistaken association with one of our communities most reputable dealers. It's probably just and overly zealous and extremely excited inexperienced bidder. Don't forget, this auction is for an extremely exquisite, flight oriented, rollover lipped, beautifully fusion crusted meteorite, being offered by none of than the world famous Geoff Notkin of the Meteorite Men. Naaa... That couldn't possibly be the reason it's got such high bids. Regards, Eric On 1/2/2011 2:50 PM, GREG LINDH wrote: An Ebayer bidding on his own stuff. Wow, there's a shocker. Greg L. From: dmerc...@rochester.rr.com To: fuj...@mac.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:44:32 -0500 CC: dmerc...@rochester.rr.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay The fact that one individual bidder has 0 feedback and that many bids on one item in that span of time, leads me to feel that maybe a form of bid rigging is taken place. At least that's what would catch my eye and put my guard up. Now that the price is where the seller wants it, it would not surprise me that Mr. 0 feedback will not bid again. If I was the high bidder I would retract my bid this way Mr. 0 would be high bidder! I could be wrong on all this but I have seen this game before on several occasions. Here is a link to a news source in which an eBay bidder was arrested and charged with bidding on his own auctions because he said they were lower then expected...he even admits creating another account with name to do this bidding rigging! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1267410/Ebay-seller-faces-fine-bidding-items-raise-prices.html Sincerely Don Merchant IMCA #0960 Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders http://www.ctreasurescwonders.com/index.html - Original Message - From: Gary Fujihara To: MeteorList Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsitem=170585023324 current bid is at $180 for a 2.3g complete oriented Bassikounou H5 chondrite granted Geoff's offering is a pristine example of flight orientation of an OC, but would anybody in their right mind bid $79/g? FWIW, this 'new' guy has 0 feedback. Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay
Hello List and Associates, Some of us who sell and buy at auction have just fought off an expensive attack by an unscrupulous pseudo-bidder. It's unnerving to realize someone is out there in cyberspace intent on, at the least, harming us financially. Worse, he has succeeded, knowingly or not, in promoting cyancisim amongst us.. Like lions in a cage that have been prodded with a stick, we whirl and snarl and bite at every threat real, or imagined. I'm sure gentleman Geoff understands what's going on and forgives the overspray. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com Sent: Jan 2, 2011 5:42 PM To: GREG LINDH gee...@msn.com, e...@meteoritesusa.com Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay Hi List. I apologize as Greg did that I too did not realize it was Geoff's auction...My deepest and sincere apologies to Geoff and List as I assumed it was a listing by someone else. Shame on me for not reading past my nose! Sincerely Don Merchant IMCA #0960 Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders http://www.ctreasurescwonders.com/index.html - Original Message - From: GREG LINDH gee...@msn.com To: e...@meteoritesusa.com Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay Eric, My mistake. I didn't notice that it was Geoff. Had I noticed, I would not have even posted. Greg L. Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 16:00:25 -0800 From: e...@meteoritesusa.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay Hey Don, Greg, Did you even bother looking at who's auction this is? Do you realize that the Met-List is a PUBLIC forum? Not just in your email box... Maybe you don't mean to associate a reputable member of this communbity with the practices you mention, but your statements can be seriously misinterpreted by others. Perhaps showing some thoughtful intelligent restraint is a good thing here instead of being overly suspicious by pointing out probably completely unrelated circumstances which could cause an automatic and mistaken association with one of our communities most reputable dealers. It's probably just and overly zealous and extremely excited inexperienced bidder. Don't forget, this auction is for an extremely exquisite, flight oriented, rollover lipped, beautifully fusion crusted meteorite, being offered by none of than the world famous Geoff Notkin of the Meteorite Men. Naaa... That couldn't possibly be the reason it's got such high bids. Regards, Eric On 1/2/2011 2:50 PM, GREG LINDH wrote: An Ebayer bidding on his own stuff. Wow, there's a shocker. Greg L. From: dmerc...@rochester.rr.com To: fuj...@mac.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:44:32 -0500 CC: dmerc...@rochester.rr.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay The fact that one individual bidder has 0 feedback and that many bids on one item in that span of time, leads me to feel that maybe a form of bid rigging is taken place. At least that's what would catch my eye and put my guard up. Now that the price is where the seller wants it, it would not surprise me that Mr. 0 feedback will not bid again. If I was the high bidder I would retract my bid this way Mr. 0 would be high bidder! I could be wrong on all this but I have seen this game before on several occasions. Here is a link to a news source in which an eBay bidder was arrested and charged with bidding on his own auctions because he said they were lower then expected...he even admits creating another account with name to do this bidding rigging! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1267410/Ebay-seller-faces-fine-bidding-items-raise-prices.html Sincerely Don Merchant IMCA #0960 Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders http://www.ctreasurescwonders.com/index.html - Original Message - From: Gary Fujihara To: MeteorList Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsitem=170585023324 current bid is at $180 for a 2.3g complete oriented Bassikounou H5 chondrite granted Geoff's offering is a pristine example of flight orientation of an OC, but would anybody in their right mind bid $79/g? FWIW, this 'new' guy has 0 feedback. Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list
