Re: [meteorite-list] BEATING A DEAD HORSE - The future and beyond
Wow: All of this is pretty amazing. First of all, we ALL were newbies at some point. Also, I think newbies buy alot of meteorites from dealers too. You never know, a newbie now may spend 1000’s of $ over the next few years. Too me it's very bad business to treat you customers poorly, or make fun of them. That’s one wat to hurt sales. I joined this list to learn from the experts; if their goal is to keep knowledge from me or look down at me, I think that's sad and very disappointing. Then all this list becomes is a marketing site. Sure, info about a new find or cold finds being confidential is understandable. But what is wrong with helping someone with payment options to a Moroccan dealer? All I can said is I only buy meteorites from certain dealers, there is a reason for that – think about it. Greg S. > From: bencub...@hotmail.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 15:14:42 -0700 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BEATING A DEAD HORSE - The future and beyond > > > Well Greg... > > The way you ended your email pretty much says it all: > > Just my two pennies. From what I understand that is pyou pretty much all you > have to spend. So you get deserve two cents worth. Pretty much way down on > the food chain in my opinion. > > Business in the USA is a dog eat dog world. That is capitalizm dude. Didn't > you learn anything in business school? > > That is what I am talking about, Business. > > Good lOrd get a clue dude. > > Howard Steffic > > >> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:46:35 -0800 >> From: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BEATING A DEAD HORSE - The future and beyond >> >> I would have to agree with you Dave. >> >> I also think that it shows a good deal about someone who is willing to help >> others, just as it shows a good deal about those that are not willing. >> >> Howards comments reflect a perfect example of why I have grown to have the >> impression that meteorites are dog eat dog and question motives and reasons >> for certain things. >> >> Should we really look at educating and helping newer collectors and >> tomorrows hunters/dealers as "bad" and "training the competition" or should >> we look at it as making sure those that will take the reigns of this great >> hobby have learned from those that know how to do it right? >> >> Sure to some, meteorites are simply that "gold mine" or "money falling from >> the sky" while to others, meteorites offer a chance to take part in >> something, to learn about and take part in the study of space and history. >> >> I guess it all comes down to why people are into meteorites... For money, or >> for the science of meteoritics. sure the money is good, I wont deny that, >> but is that all its really about? No. >> >> We are gifted with some wonderful things from outside this planet that we >> would never be able to touch, test, learn from or anything else many claim >> to value and want to preserve. With that in mind, should it not be in all of >> our best interests to make sure that the future generation has learned from >> those that know how to properly document, record, preserve and care for the >> collections we value so much today? >> >> Sure, some may look at it as training competition, but perhaps they should >> really look at it as passing on a gift of knowledge to those that will >> follow in the footsteps of the path they have already traveled... >> >> just my 2 pennies, hope everyone is having a good day! >> >> >> Greg C. >> www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com >> IMCA 4682 >> >> >> --- On Sat, 11/14/09, dave carothers wrote: >> >>> From: dave carothers >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send payments - BEATING A DEAD >>> HORSEIs toMorocco >>> To: "Howard Steffic" , meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 1:20 PM >>> Howard, >>> >>> Respectfully... >>> >>> Reference your comment "I laugh at how the "newbies" expect >>> the veterans >>> with the battle scars to tell them exacty how to Hunt >>> Meteorites or >>> Sell on Ebay or send money overseas. Get off the couch and >>> do your own >>> legwork." >>> >>> Why should it bother YOU that someone should ask for for >>> advice or >>> assistance? Go back throug
Re: [meteorite-list] BEATING A DEAD HORSE - The future and beyond
Well Greg... The way you ended your email pretty much says it all: Just my two pennies. From what I understand that is pyou pretty much all you have to spend. So you get deserve two cents worth. Pretty much way down on the food chain in my opinion. Business in the USA is a dog eat dog world. That is capitalizm dude. Didn't you learn anything in business school? That is what I am talking about, Business. Good lOrd get a clue dude. Howard Steffic > Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:46:35 -0800 > From: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BEATING A DEAD HORSE - The future and beyond > > I would have to agree with you Dave. > > I also think that it shows a good deal about someone who is willing to help > others, just as it shows a good deal about those that are not willing. > > Howards comments reflect a perfect example of why I have grown to have the > impression that meteorites are dog eat dog and question motives and reasons > for certain things. > > Should we really look at educating and helping newer collectors and tomorrows > hunters/dealers as "bad" and "training the competition" or should we look at > it as making sure those that will take the reigns of this great hobby have > learned from those that know how to do it right? > > Sure to some, meteorites are simply that "gold mine" or "money falling from > the sky" while to others, meteorites offer a chance to take part in > something, to learn about and take part in the study of space and history. > > I guess it all comes down to why people are into meteorites... For money, or > for the science of meteoritics. sure the money is good, I wont deny that, but > is that all its really about? No. > > We are gifted with some wonderful things from outside this planet that we > would never be able to touch, test, learn from or anything else many claim to > value and want to preserve. With that in mind, should it not be in all of our > best interests to make sure that the future generation has learned from those > that know how to properly document, record, preserve and care for the > collections we value so much today? > > Sure, some may look at it as training competition, but perhaps they should > really look at it as passing on a gift of knowledge to those that will follow > in the footsteps of the path they have already traveled... > > just my 2 pennies, hope everyone is having a good day! > > > Greg C. > www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com > IMCA 4682 > > > --- On Sat, 11/14/09, dave carothers wrote: > >> From: dave carothers >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send payments - BEATING A DEAD >> HORSEIs toMorocco >> To: "Howard Steffic" , >> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 1:20 PM >> Howard, >> >> Respectfully... >> >> Reference your comment "I laugh at how the "newbies" expect >> the veterans >> with the battle scars to tell them exacty how to Hunt >> Meteorites or >> Sell on Ebay or send money overseas. Get off the couch and >> do your own >> legwork." >> >> Why should it bother YOU that someone should ask for for >> advice or >> assistance? Go back through the history of this list >> and you will see >> literally thousands of instances where dealers and >> professional hunters have >> freely offered advice and assistance to >> "newbies". You don't think people >> stay on this list for the ads, do you? You don't >> think people stay on this >> list for the disputes, cyber fist fights, etc, do >> you? I personally stay on >> this list (and I'm sure other do to) so we CAN ask for >> advice and assistance >> from the pros. >> >> I won't answer as to the motives or rationale of why >> dealers and >> professional hunters freely offer advice and assistance to >> "newbies", but >> suffice to say that I (and I know hundreds, maybe thousands >> of others over >> the history of this list) appreciate ALL the assistance >> offered by ANYONE on >> this list. >> >> Regards, >> >> Dave >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Howard Steffic" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 12:35 PM >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send payments - >> BEATING A DEAD >> HORSEIs toMorocco >> >> >>> >>> My point is, and perhaps you
Re: [meteorite-list] BEATING A DEAD HORSE - The future and beyond
Howard said - "My point is, and perhaps you can explain why. Any meteorite dealer or professional hunter should teach anybody how be a competitor? Do you think McDonalds would teach you how to run a restaurant?" My condolences to any dealer of meteorites who wants to emulate the US corporate model - the same model that has destroyed several key sectors of our economy. Any dealer who wants to follow the blindly-capitalist, profit-first mindset of corporate America is going to be left in the dust by the rest of the dealers who give a crap about what they are doing and actually show appreciation to their customers. The days of the cold, stand-offish, "take it or leave it" type of dealer are coming to an end. You can already see them receding into obscurity - the market is changing. Change with it or be left behind. That's my 2 cents. Actual mileage may vary, but my mileage is great. ;) On 11/14/09, Greg Catterton wrote: > I would have to agree with you Dave. > > I also think that it shows a good deal about someone who is willing to help > others, just as it shows a good deal about those that are not willing. > > Howards comments reflect a perfect example of why I have grown to have the > impression that meteorites are dog eat dog and question motives and reasons > for certain things. > > Should we really look at educating and helping newer collectors and > tomorrows hunters/dealers as "bad" and "training the competition" or should > we look at it as making sure those that will take the reigns of this great > hobby have learned from those that know how to do it right? > > Sure to some, meteorites are simply that "gold mine" or "money falling from > the sky" while to others, meteorites offer a chance to take part in > something, to learn about and take part in the study of space and history. > > I guess it all comes down to why people are into meteorites... For money, or > for the science of meteoritics. sure the money is good, I wont deny that, > but is that all its really about? No. > > We are gifted with some wonderful things from outside this planet that we > would never be able to touch, test, learn from or anything else many claim > to value and want to preserve. With that in mind, should it not be in all of > our best interests to make sure that the future generation has learned from > those that know how to properly document, record, preserve and care for the > collections we value so much today? > > Sure, some may look at it as training competition, but perhaps they should > really look at it as passing on a gift of knowledge to those that will > follow in the footsteps of the path they have already traveled... > > just my 2 pennies, hope everyone is having a good day! > > > Greg C. > www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com > IMCA 4682 > > > --- On Sat, 11/14/09, dave carothers wrote: > >> From: dave carothers >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send payments - BEATING A DEAD >> HORSEIs toMorocco >> To: "Howard Steffic" , >> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 1:20 PM >> Howard, >> >> Respectfully... >> >> Reference your comment "I laugh at how the "newbies" expect >> the veterans >> with the battle scars to tell them exacty how to Hunt >> Meteorites or >> Sell on Ebay or send money overseas. Get off the couch and >> do your own >> legwork." >> >> Why should it bother YOU that someone should ask for for >> advice or >> assistance? Go back through the history of this list >> and you will see >> literally thousands of instances where dealers and >> professional hunters have >> freely offered advice and assistance to >> "newbies". You don't think people >> stay on this list for the ads, do you? You don't >> think people stay on this >> list for the disputes, cyber fist fights, etc, do >> you? I personally stay on >> this list (and I'm sure other do to) so we CAN ask for >> advice and assistance >> from the pros. >> >> I won't answer as to the motives or rationale of why >> dealers and >> professional hunters freely offer advice and assistance to >> "newbies", but >> suffice to say that I (and I know hundreds, maybe thousands >> of others over >> the history of this list) appreciate ALL the assistance >> offered by ANYONE on >> this list. >> >> Regards, >> >> Dave >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Howard Steffic" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 12:35 PM >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send payments - >> BEATING A DEAD >> HORSEIs toMorocco >> >> >> > >> > My point is, and perhaps you can explain >> why. Any meteorite >> > dealer or professional hunter should teach anybody how >> be a competitor? >> > >> > Do you think McDonalds would teach you how to run a >> restaurant? >> > >> > The logic that is used by some of these newbies is >> what is moronic. I >> > don't hunt or sell but if I did, I wouldn't expect >> anyone to teach me how >> > to be a competitor. >> > >> > Respectfully y
Re: [meteorite-list] BEATING A DEAD HORSE - The future and beyond
I would have to agree with you Dave. I also think that it shows a good deal about someone who is willing to help others, just as it shows a good deal about those that are not willing. Howards comments reflect a perfect example of why I have grown to have the impression that meteorites are dog eat dog and question motives and reasons for certain things. Should we really look at educating and helping newer collectors and tomorrows hunters/dealers as "bad" and "training the competition" or should we look at it as making sure those that will take the reigns of this great hobby have learned from those that know how to do it right? Sure to some, meteorites are simply that "gold mine" or "money falling from the sky" while to others, meteorites offer a chance to take part in something, to learn about and take part in the study of space and history. I guess it all comes down to why people are into meteorites... For money, or for the science of meteoritics. sure the money is good, I wont deny that, but is that all its really about? No. We are gifted with some wonderful things from outside this planet that we would never be able to touch, test, learn from or anything else many claim to value and want to preserve. With that in mind, should it not be in all of our best interests to make sure that the future generation has learned from those that know how to properly document, record, preserve and care for the collections we value so much today? Sure, some may look at it as training competition, but perhaps they should really look at it as passing on a gift of knowledge to those that will follow in the footsteps of the path they have already traveled... just my 2 pennies, hope everyone is having a good day! Greg C. www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA 4682 --- On Sat, 11/14/09, dave carothers wrote: > From: dave carothers > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send payments - BEATING A DEAD > HORSEIs toMorocco > To: "Howard Steffic" , > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 1:20 PM > Howard, > > Respectfully... > > Reference your comment "I laugh at how the "newbies" expect > the veterans > with the battle scars to tell them exacty how to Hunt > Meteorites or > Sell on Ebay or send money overseas. Get off the couch and > do your own > legwork." > > Why should it bother YOU that someone should ask for for > advice or > assistance? Go back through the history of this list > and you will see > literally thousands of instances where dealers and > professional hunters have > freely offered advice and assistance to > "newbies". You don't think people > stay on this list for the ads, do you? You don't > think people stay on this > list for the disputes, cyber fist fights, etc, do > you? I personally stay on > this list (and I'm sure other do to) so we CAN ask for > advice and assistance > from the pros. > > I won't answer as to the motives or rationale of why > dealers and > professional hunters freely offer advice and assistance to > "newbies", but > suffice to say that I (and I know hundreds, maybe thousands > of others over > the history of this list) appreciate ALL the assistance > offered by ANYONE on > this list. > > Regards, > > Dave > > > - Original Message - > From: "Howard Steffic" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 12:35 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send payments - > BEATING A DEAD > HORSEIs toMorocco > > > > > > My point is, and perhaps you can explain > why. Any meteorite > > dealer or professional hunter should teach anybody how > be a competitor? > > > > Do you think McDonalds would teach you how to run a > restaurant? > > > > The logic that is used by some of these newbies is > what is moronic. I > > don't hunt or sell but if I did, I wouldn't expect > anyone to teach me how > > to be a competitor. > > > > Respectfully yours. > > > > Howard Steffic > > > > > >> From: carother...@gmail.com > >> To: bencub...@hotmail.com; > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send > payments - BEATING A DEAD > >> HORSEIs toMorocco > >> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:42:15 -0500 > >> > >> Howard, > >> > >> Your comment is moronic. This group is as much > about posting information > >> to > >> assist "newbies" as anything else. You should know > better. > >> > >> Dave > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Howard Steffic" > >> To: > >> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 2:17 AM > >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send > payments - BEATING A DEAD > >> HORSEIs toMorocco > >> > >> > >>> > >>> Is anyone else getting tired of this moronic > discussion? > >>> > >>> I laugh at how the "newbies" expect the > veterans with the battle scars > >>> to > >>> tell them exacty how to Hunt Meteorites > or Sell on Ebay or send > >>> money overseas. Get off the couch and do your > own legwork. > >>> > >>> Now l
