Re: [meteorite-list] Buyers BEWARE!!!! *** update ***
I bought several of the displays mentioned. ALL were well under half the listed weight. And there were made and from an IMCA member. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites --- On Tue, 6/28/11, MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com wrote: From: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Buyers BEWARE *** update *** To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, June 28, 2011, 11:29 PM Dan, You are 100% right about everything surrounding authenticity and I completely agree with your effort to make things right - as does your seller who now has the daunting problem and expressed an attitude to address it. It was his honest mistake as you see. Dealing in meteorites is really hard work. It is easy to empathize with your seller as everyone has been in a position where something hasn't worked out. When evaluating honesty it is good to give them a chance to make things right and if they do, casting them in a positive light. That sends all the right messages about buying and selling meteorites to the 'public'. Reputation is everything in the meteorite world and I just felt bad for a guy living near Kennedy Space Center - your seller. Anything related to KSC is dear to me for nostalgic reasons. Now that the Space Shuttle program is dying down the place will essentially turn into relatively minor operation. Gone is Apollo, crash are our spirits in Florida and no major NASA workhorse program is seriously in the works. The rocket garden is on its was to being the rusty rocket headstones. Chalk it up to being too sentimental and hoping you get a satisfactory conclusion but without any heads rolling except with smiles, Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Dan Furlan danfur...@gmail.com To: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:01 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Buyers BEWARE *** update *** Dear Sir, The seller still never checked the items before he re-sold them, yes this is an honest mistake but very irresponsible and he sold hundreds of these mounts with the incorrect weight and the people who bought them paid triple the price of what they are worth retail.. If i was him, i would of done exactly what I did today upon receiving the items and bust a few of the mounts open and actually weigh the specimens before selling hundreds of them.. And if i didn't own a scale i would put it on the top of my shopping list ASAP especially before selling any lunar material with weights in the milligrams. I don't feel i dragged anybody through the dirt, all i did was report that he was selling 24mg mounts that actually weighed 7-10mg. thanks to me he is able to correct this mistake and hopefully he learns a lesson. Furthermore people from met-list who may have purchased these mounts can seek resolution as well. I cannot stress the importance of double checking anything you buy to re-sell or even for personal collection. I am sorry we do not see eye to eye on this. How would you like to buy something that has a certain weight associated with it and when you check it yourself you realize that the reason it weighs 2 thirds less then the stated weight is because the seller never bothered to weigh it?? If you wouldn't be slightly disappointed then I am sorry to say there is something fundamentally wrong with you. I am not here to baby sit sellers and understand their mistakes, I am here to do business with professionals who i can trust will deliver on their word. Like i mentioned in my previous update i am happy to see this seller take action and revise his listings and offer resolutions. I do not regret making my original post one bit because there are hundreds of people out there who purchased lunar and mars material for top dollar and didn't get what they paid for and they are entitled to know about it. You may think I was being inconsiderate by making the original post but in reality i was being responsible to my fellow meteorite collectors and dealers who may have purchased these mounts in the past assuming the weight was correct as well as any potential buyers who had active bids on them as well. This is the price you pay when you do business and mess up.. I am a very trusting person, and i believe what people tell me.. but when i spend a lot of money on something i wish to re-sell I will guarantee you 100% I am going to double check everything to make sure it's is o.k. before i put it on the market with my name on it. Daniel Furlan On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:35 PM, MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com wrote: I was eager to see your reply, Dan. I also corresponded with your seller today. He is really a conscientious guy with excellent feedback
Re: [meteorite-list] Buyers BEWARE!!!! *** update ***
Hello all, I have good news. The seller has promised to revise all his listings. He is also offering to replace all the mounts that i broke open for free. Furthermore, he is re-negotiating a new price with me for these mounts since i purchased a few of them now that we have an actual weight and hopefully we can agree on a fair price and i will get to keep them. If we cannot agree on a new price he has agreed to pay for the return shipping and give me a full refund. So just incase anybody has purchased these mounts from him, they are actually 7mg - 10mg and he never checked them and he appologizes for the mistake and is willing to refund anybody who purchased these thinking they were 24mg just send him an email. So hopefully everything works out with this guy and I am happy to find out that his mistake was not intentional and he is doing everything to resolve this issue including revising his listings to either take out the weight completely and just sell them as micro mounts or state the weight of 7mg - 10mg the choice is up to him and i am satisfied with either way he chooses to proceed. Daniel Furlan collector and dealer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Buyers BEWARE!!!! *** update ***
I was eager to see your reply, Dan. I also corresponded with your seller today. He is really a conscientious guy with excellent feedback and and incredibly helpful attitude. *He readily volunteered earlier to me that it was 100% his fault and told me he would do *anything* to make you happy, and that he believes you without questioning your integrity in the slightest and was pleased to know the truth. Too bad all eBayers weren't so inclined. *He also said that the person who sold them to him actually made the cases, not him, and told him those weights and that he had no way of checking and he never even opened a case. *He also said that some of his auctions which still had the incorrect weight vs. the others that never had a weight in the listing had nothing to do with him still cheating as you construed on the list. Rather, the auctions that were still running hadn't been changed and the ones that never had the weights were the buy-it-nows, according to him it was just the way he had listed them. I didn't check this but it sounds plausible.. *So, apparently, there was an honest mistake that was corrected in the most professional manner by a simple communication. Yet you dragged this guy across the coals in front of 1000 of his potential customers without checking better and then you shot me as the messenger for suggesting to communicate more with him before cryiong wolf. You even violated eBay policy by linking his name to his username in public, though a nitpick, I am sure it would genuinely hurt the seller if he knew it - but he's not a list member so had no way to know or respond. All the while your seller is apparently holding his head down embarrassed and trying to make things right. This is the problem with a one sided story and honestly it seems irresponsible to me on your part. Do you agree? Good luck in your future dealings, and I hope no one does to you what you did to him. The kicker is, the guy feels so bad about it that all he can say is that he understands your frustration and hopes you cut him a break. Doug -Original Message- From: Dan Furlan danfur...@gmail.com To: met-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:50 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Buyers BEWARE *** update *** Hello all, I have good news. The seller has promised to revise all his listings. He is also offering to replace all the mounts that i broke open for free. Furthermore, he is re-negotiating a new price with me for these mounts since i purchased a few of them now that we have an actual weight and hopefully we can agree on a fair price and i will get to keep them. If we cannot agree on a new price he has agreed to pay for the return shipping and give me a full refund. So just incase anybody has purchased these mounts from him, they are actually 7mg - 10mg and he never checked them and he appologizes for the mistake and is willing to refund anybody who purchased these thinking they were 24mg just send him an email. So hopefully everything works out with this guy and I am happy to find out that his mistake was not intentional and he is doing everything to resolve this issue including revising his listings to either take out the weight completely and just sell them as micro mounts or state the weight of 7mg - 10mg the choice is up to him and i am satisfied with either way he chooses to proceed. Daniel Furlan collector and dealer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Buyers BEWARE!!!! *** update ***
Dear Sir, The seller still never checked the items before he re-sold them, yes this is an honest mistake but very irresponsible and he sold hundreds of these mounts with the incorrect weight and the people who bought them paid triple the price of what they are worth retail.. If i was him, i would of done exactly what I did today upon receiving the items and bust a few of the mounts open and actually weigh the specimens before selling hundreds of them.. And if i didn't own a scale i would put it on the top of my shopping list ASAP especially before selling any lunar material with weights in the milligrams. I don't feel i dragged anybody through the dirt, all i did was report that he was selling 24mg mounts that actually weighed 7-10mg. thanks to me he is able to correct this mistake and hopefully he learns a lesson. Furthermore people from met-list who may have purchased these mounts can seek resolution as well. I cannot stress the importance of double checking anything you buy to re-sell or even for personal collection. I am sorry we do not see eye to eye on this. How would you like to buy something that has a certain weight associated with it and when you check it yourself you realize that the reason it weighs 2 thirds less then the stated weight is because the seller never bothered to weigh it?? If you wouldn't be slightly disappointed then I am sorry to say there is something fundamentally wrong with you. I am not here to baby sit sellers and understand their mistakes, I am here to do business with professionals who i can trust will deliver on their word. Like i mentioned in my previous update i am happy to see this seller take action and revise his listings and offer resolutions. I do not regret making my original post one bit because there are hundreds of people out there who purchased lunar and mars material for top dollar and didn't get what they paid for and they are entitled to know about it. You may think I was being inconsiderate by making the original post but in reality i was being responsible to my fellow meteorite collectors and dealers who may have purchased these mounts in the past assuming the weight was correct as well as any potential buyers who had active bids on them as well. This is the price you pay when you do business and mess up.. I am a very trusting person, and i believe what people tell me.. but when i spend a lot of money on something i wish to re-sell I will guarantee you 100% I am going to double check everything to make sure it's is o.k. before i put it on the market with my name on it. Daniel Furlan On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:35 PM, MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com wrote: I was eager to see your reply, Dan. I also corresponded with your seller today. He is really a conscientious guy with excellent feedback and and incredibly helpful attitude. *He readily volunteered earlier to me that it was 100% his fault and told me he would do *anything* to make you happy, and that he believes you without questioning your integrity in the slightest and was pleased to know the truth. Too bad all eBayers weren't so inclined. *He also said that the person who sold them to him actually made the cases, not him, and told him those weights and that he had no way of checking and he never even opened a case. *He also said that some of his auctions which still had the incorrect weight vs. the others that never had a weight in the listing had nothing to do with him still cheating as you construed on the list. Rather, the auctions that were still running hadn't been changed and the ones that never had the weights were the buy-it-nows, according to him it was just the way he had listed them. I didn't check this but it sounds plausible.. *So, apparently, there was an honest mistake that was corrected in the most professional manner by a simple communication. Yet you dragged this guy across the coals in front of 1000 of his potential customers without checking better and then you shot me as the messenger for suggesting to communicate more with him before cryiong wolf. You even violated eBay policy by linking his name to his username in public, though a nitpick, I am sure it would genuinely hurt the seller if he knew it - but he's not a list member so had no way to know or respond. All the while your seller is apparently holding his head down embarrassed and trying to make things right. This is the problem with a one sided story and honestly it seems irresponsible to me on your part. Do you agree? Good luck in your future dealings, and I hope no one does to you what you did to him. The kicker is, the guy feels so bad about it that all he can say is that he understands your frustration and hopes you cut him a break. Doug -Original Message- From: Dan Furlan danfur...@gmail.com To: met-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:50 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Buyers BEWARE *** update *** Hello all, I have good
Re: [meteorite-list] Buyers BEWARE!!!! *** update ***
Dan, You are 100% right about everything surrounding authenticity and I completely agree with your effort to make things right - as does your seller who now has the daunting problem and expressed an attitude to address it. It was his honest mistake as you see. Dealing in meteorites is really hard work. It is easy to empathize with your seller as everyone has been in a position where something hasn't worked out. When evaluating honesty it is good to give them a chance to make things right and if they do, casting them in a positive light. That sends all the right messages about buying and selling meteorites to the 'public'. Reputation is everything in the meteorite world and I just felt bad for a guy living near Kennedy Space Center - your seller. Anything related to KSC is dear to me for nostalgic reasons. Now that the Space Shuttle program is dying down the place will essentially turn into relatively minor operation. Gone is Apollo, crash are our spirits in Florida and no major NASA workhorse program is seriously in the works. The rocket garden is on its was to being the rusty rocket headstones. Chalk it up to being too sentimental and hoping you get a satisfactory conclusion but without any heads rolling except with smiles, Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Dan Furlan danfur...@gmail.com To: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:01 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Buyers BEWARE *** update *** Dear Sir, The seller still never checked the items before he re-sold them, yes this is an honest mistake but very irresponsible and he sold hundreds of these mounts with the incorrect weight and the people who bought them paid triple the price of what they are worth retail.. If i was him, i would of done exactly what I did today upon receiving the items and bust a few of the mounts open and actually weigh the specimens before selling hundreds of them.. And if i didn't own a scale i would put it on the top of my shopping list ASAP especially before selling any lunar material with weights in the milligrams. I don't feel i dragged anybody through the dirt, all i did was report that he was selling 24mg mounts that actually weighed 7-10mg. thanks to me he is able to correct this mistake and hopefully he learns a lesson. Furthermore people from met-list who may have purchased these mounts can seek resolution as well. I cannot stress the importance of double checking anything you buy to re-sell or even for personal collection. I am sorry we do not see eye to eye on this. How would you like to buy something that has a certain weight associated with it and when you check it yourself you realize that the reason it weighs 2 thirds less then the stated weight is because the seller never bothered to weigh it?? If you wouldn't be slightly disappointed then I am sorry to say there is something fundamentally wrong with you. I am not here to baby sit sellers and understand their mistakes, I am here to do business with professionals who i can trust will deliver on their word. Like i mentioned in my previous update i am happy to see this seller take action and revise his listings and offer resolutions. I do not regret making my original post one bit because there are hundreds of people out there who purchased lunar and mars material for top dollar and didn't get what they paid for and they are entitled to know about it. You may think I was being inconsiderate by making the original post but in reality i was being responsible to my fellow meteorite collectors and dealers who may have purchased these mounts in the past assuming the weight was correct as well as any potential buyers who had active bids on them as well. This is the price you pay when you do business and mess up.. I am a very trusting person, and i believe what people tell me.. but when i spend a lot of money on something i wish to re-sell I will guarantee you 100% I am going to double check everything to make sure it's is o.k. before i put it on the market with my name on it. Daniel Furlan On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:35 PM, MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com wrote: I was eager to see your reply, Dan. I also corresponded with your seller today. He is really a conscientious guy with excellent feedback and and incredibly helpful attitude. *He readily volunteered earlier to me that it was 100% his fault and told me he would do *anything* to make you happy, and that he believes you without questioning your integrity in the slightest and was pleased to know the truth. Too bad all eBayers weren't so inclined. *He also said that the person who sold them to him actually made the cases, not him, and told him those weights and that he had no way of checking and he never even opened a case. *He also said that some of his auctions which still had the incorrect weight vs. the others that never had a weight in the listing had nothing to do with him still
Re: [meteorite-list] Buyers BEWARE!!!! *** update ***
Doug, I appreciate you sympathizing with the seller it shows me you have a heart of gold and are a kind person. I wish your sympathies reached out to all the people who actually purchased these mounts at full retail and ended up paying 3 times the face value. I am glad we were able to clear up this mess and move on with our lives because some of the people who were misled by accident have an avenue now to seek some resolution from a seller who is more then willing to make things right. Dan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
