Re: [meteorite-list] EL6/7 meteorite loaded on eBay for one cent. 4.779 kilograms.
Oh Matteo, give me another hour, and I will post yet another piece, identical to yours (yes, it is more yellow/white) and broken off of the piece loaded on ebay. Matteo, you are admitting right now, that you have no paperwork, no classification, no data, and no CLUE! You just looked at the meteorite you loaded on eBay, and decided to lie to your eBay customers and called it an Aubrite. You are the problem with commercial meteorite dealers. You will lie, cheat, and just call them what you want, and it hurts those of us who wait for months or years for classifications on our stones. You hurt the buyers who get ripped off and decide that they no longer want to collect meteorites. And those of you who keep buying from Matteo, well, don't come on here later and cry that you weren't warned! Michael Farmer --- M come Meteorite Meteorites <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > unfortunately for you farmer is not my same > material, > I have been pieces of EL6/7 and its brown color, not > white type thisa piece now its in analysis and > we > see > > Matteo > > - Original Message - > > > Well, it took a while, since I got caught up doing > too > > many other things today. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ170066829936 > > Here is the EL6/7 meteorite I promised to load on > > ebay. > > > > It is smaller than I thought (it had been in a box > > since the Munich show) so I forgot how much it > > weighed. > > Either way, it is 283 times the size of Matteo's > > piece, and 680 times CHEAPER! And it is correctly > > identified, no guesswork, no lopping an end off > and > > classifiying it myself like Matteo does. > > So let the fun, and BIDDING begin. > > > > Go to www.meteoritestudies.com for a more in-depth > > update on the classification saga of these fossil > > meteorites from Algeria. > > Michael Farmer > > > > > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato > Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, > ITALY > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it > Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info > MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com > EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Poco spazio e tanto spam? Yahoo! Mail ti protegge > dallo spam e ti da tanto spazio gratuito per i tuoi > file e i messaggi > http://mail.yahoo.it > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] EL6/7 meteorite loaded on eBay for one cent.4.779 kilograms.
My god, Dont You think that this thread is insane ? Just ignore him Mike. His specimen, his problem. If someone will buy Matteo aubrite it is HIS problem. If he will buy it 10 times more expensive this is thread beetween seller and buyer. If someone belive that Matteo is honest and this is aubrite then super. I will not buy it becouse I dont want and I have enough the same material. Also 1 or 2 years ago was there big fight under thread that "My meteorites are better than Yours" where some dealers say that pairing from photos is not proffesional and wrong and we cant do that to use someone else numbers under "possible paired". So lets leave this thread. You know it is EL3, I think its EL3, Matteo know it is Aubrite, Mohamed from Morocco know it is his new 4x4 LandRover and George Bush know it is new Lunar and everyone is happy and noone change his own opinion even if we will send there 1000 new emails with 10 000 proofs about "why aubrite is EL3". e And tooday I have my 30th birthday :) so make me gift and stop this crap. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "M come Meteorite Meteorites" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] EL6/7 meteorite loaded on eBay for one cent.4.779 kilograms. > Oh Matteo, give me another hour, and I will post yet > another piece, identical to yours (yes, it is more > yellow/white) and broken off of the piece loaded on > ebay. Matteo, you are admitting right now, that you > have no paperwork, no classification, no data, and no > CLUE! You just looked at the meteorite you loaded on > eBay, and decided to lie to your eBay customers and > called it an Aubrite. You are the problem with > commercial meteorite dealers. You will lie, cheat, and > just call them what you want, and it hurts those of us > who wait for months or years for classifications on > our stones. You hurt the buyers who get ripped off and > decide that they no longer want to collect meteorites. > And those of you who keep buying from Matteo, well, > don't come on here later and cry that you weren't > warned! > Michael Farmer > > > > > --- M come Meteorite Meteorites > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> unfortunately for you farmer is not my same >> material, >> I have been pieces of EL6/7 and its brown color, not >> white type thisa piece now its in analysis and >> we >> see >> >> Matteo >> >> - Original Message - >> >> > Well, it took a while, since I got caught up doing >> too >> > many other things today. >> > >> > http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ170066829936 >> > Here is the EL6/7 meteorite I promised to load on >> > ebay. >> > >> > It is smaller than I thought (it had been in a box >> > since the Munich show) so I forgot how much it >> > weighed. >> > Either way, it is 283 times the size of Matteo's >> > piece, and 680 times CHEAPER! And it is correctly >> > identified, no guesswork, no lopping an end off >> and >> > classifiying it myself like Matteo does. >> > So let the fun, and BIDDING begin. >> > >> > Go to www.meteoritestudies.com for a more in-depth >> > update on the classification saga of these fossil >> > meteorites from Algeria. >> > Michael Farmer >> > >> > >> > __ >> > Meteorite-list mailing list >> > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> > >> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato >> Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, >> ITALY >> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it >> Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info >> MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com >> > EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ >> >> __ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Poco spazio e tanto spam? Yahoo! Mail ti protegge >> dallo spam e ti da tanto spazio gratuito per i tuoi >> file e i messaggi >> http://mail.yahoo.it >> > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] EL6/7 meteorite loaded on eBay for one cent.4.779 kilograms.
Thanks for your input Marcin, but no thanks, Matteo has pulled another scam, Dirk pointed it out, and I am calling him on it. I can not believe that you would stand there and say that you would ignore a dealer selling false material. I will protect my buyers and my business (the meteorite business) by calling out a fake when I see it! Next time you get into a spat with someone, I will be there to tell you to shut up, so don't worry. Michael Farmer --- PolandMET <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My god, > Dont You think that this thread is insane ? > Just ignore him Mike. His specimen, his problem. > > If someone will buy Matteo aubrite it is HIS > problem. If he will buy it 10 > times more expensive this is thread beetween seller > and buyer. If someone > belive that Matteo is honest and this is aubrite > then super. I will not buy > it becouse I dont want and I have enough the same > material. > > Also 1 or 2 years ago was there big fight under > thread that "My meteorites > are better than Yours" where some dealers say that > pairing from photos is > not proffesional and wrong and we cant do that to > use someone else numbers > under "possible paired". So lets leave this thread. > > You know it is EL3, I think its EL3, Matteo know it > is Aubrite, Mohamed from > Morocco know it is his new 4x4 LandRover and George > Bush know it is new > Lunar and everyone is happy and noone change his own > opinion even if we will > send there 1000 new emails with 10 000 proofs about > "why aubrite is EL3". > > e > > And tooday I have my 30th birthday :) so make me > gift and stop this crap. > > -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- > http://www.Meteoryt.net > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 > [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society > ] > > > - Original Message - > From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "M come Meteorite Meteorites" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:38 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] EL6/7 meteorite loaded > on eBay for one > cent.4.779 kilograms. > > > > Oh Matteo, give me another hour, and I will post > yet > > another piece, identical to yours (yes, it is more > > yellow/white) and broken off of the piece loaded > on > > ebay. Matteo, you are admitting right now, that > you > > have no paperwork, no classification, no data, and > no > > CLUE! You just looked at the meteorite you loaded > on > > eBay, and decided to lie to your eBay customers > and > > called it an Aubrite. You are the problem with > > commercial meteorite dealers. You will lie, cheat, > and > > just call them what you want, and it hurts those > of us > > who wait for months or years for classifications > on > > our stones. You hurt the buyers who get ripped off > and > > decide that they no longer want to collect > meteorites. > > And those of you who keep buying from Matteo, > well, > > don't come on here later and cry that you weren't > > warned! > > Michael Farmer > > > > > > > > > > --- M come Meteorite Meteorites > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> unfortunately for you farmer is not my same > >> material, > >> I have been pieces of EL6/7 and its brown color, > not > >> white type thisa piece now its in analysis > and > >> we > >> see > >> > >> Matteo > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> > >> > Well, it took a while, since I got caught up > doing > >> too > >> > many other things today. > >> > > >> > http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ170066829936 > >> > Here is the EL6/7 meteorite I promised to load > on > >> > ebay. > >> > > >> > It is smaller than I thought (it had been in a > box > >> > since the Munich show) so I forgot how much it > >> > weighed. > >> > Either way, it is 283 times the size of > Matteo's > >> > piece, and 680 times CHEAPER! And it is > correctly > >> > identified, no guesswork, no lopping an end off > >> and > >> > classifiying it myself like Matteo does. > >> > So let the fun, and BIDDING begin. > >> > > >> > Go to www.meteoritestudies.com for a more > in-depth > >> > update on the classification saga of t
Re: [meteorite-list] EL6/7 meteorite loaded on eBay for one cent.4.779 kilograms.
> Thanks for your input Marcin, but no thanks, > Matteo has pulled another scam, Dirk pointed it out, > and I am calling him on it. > I can not believe that you would stand there and say > that you would ignore a dealer selling false material. > I will protect my buyers and my business (the > meteorite business) by calling out a fake when I see > it! Next time you get into a spat with someone, I will > be there to tell you to shut up, so don't worry. > Michael Farmer I understand Your rights, but You can make alive this war for next 12 months. Now is EL3, Tomorrow will be L6 and on Monday something else. This become boring. For myself. And not only for me. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] EL6/7 meteorite loaded on eBay for one cent.4.779 kilograms.
The message bounced so am reposting. > Dear Marcin, Mike, Matteo and List, > Science and this hobby relies upon honesty and > authenticity ( and repeatable science), and this > topic is very important. This does NOT have to > concern Matteo only, personally; it should concern > all of us. > I call Matteo to provide some evidence that the > meteorite has been classified IF he is selling it as > an Aubrite or as something else. Mike`s material > does not necessarily apply because it IS from the > same material as NWA 2965 (provisional); it has a > pedigree. Matteo`s material`s pedigree is > questionable and the material visually looks the > same as NWA 2965 (It may be or it MAY be an Aubrite > as Matteo`s "data???" supports. Matteo would you > provide some evidence that there is analysis AND why > you have no provisional number IF it is classified? > You seem to be sidestepping the DATA issue. > When you provide your data Matteo I will then > remain quiet and apologize IF needed. Thank you. > Sincerely, Dirk Ross...Tokyo > > PolandMET <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks for your input Marcin, but no thanks, > > Matteo has pulled another scam, Dirk pointed it > out, > > and I am calling him on it. > > I can not believe that you would stand there and > say > > that you would ignore a dealer selling false > material. > > I will protect my buyers and my business (the > > meteorite business) by calling out a fake when I > see > > it! Next time you get into a spat with someone, I > will > > be there to tell you to shut up, so don't worry. > > Michael Farmer > > I understand Your rights, but You can make alive > this war for next 12 > months. Now is EL3, Tomorrow will be L6 and on > Monday something else. > This become boring. For myself. And not only for me. > > -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- > http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 > [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society > ] > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] EL6/7 meteorite loaded on eBay for one cent.4.779 kilograms.
Dear Marcin, Mike, Matteo and List, Science and this hobby relies upon honesty and authenticity ( and repeatable science), and this topic is very important. This does NOT have to concern Matteo only, personally; it should concern all of us. I call Matteo to provide some evidence that the meteorite has been classified IF he is selling it as an Aubrite or as something else. Mike`s material does not necessarily apply because it IS from the same material as NWA 2965 (provisional); it has a pedigree. Matteo`s material`s pedigree is questionable and the material visually looks the same as NWA 2965 (It may be or it MAY be an Aubrite as Matteo`s "data???" supports. Matteo would you provide some evidence that there is analysis AND why you have no provisional number IF it is classified? You seem to be sidestepping the DATA issue. When you provide your data Matteo I will then remain quiet and apologize IF needed. Thank you. Sincerely, Dirk Ross...Tokyo PolandMET <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for your input Marcin, but no thanks, > Matteo has pulled another scam, Dirk pointed it out, > and I am calling him on it. > I can not believe that you would stand there and say > that you would ignore a dealer selling false material. > I will protect my buyers and my business (the > meteorite business) by calling out a fake when I see > it! Next time you get into a spat with someone, I will > be there to tell you to shut up, so don't worry. > Michael Farmer I understand Your rights, but You can make alive this war for next 12 months. Now is EL3, Tomorrow will be L6 and on Monday something else. This become boring. For myself. And not only for me. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] EL6/7 meteorite loaded on eBay for one cent.4.779 kilograms.
Dear Listees; I would like to comment that back in the dark days of meteorites a number of years ago, WE discussed issues for seemingly ages (1998-2001?) and then WE invented the IMCA to protect the world from fraudulent meteorite dealersthen, a weak IMCA booted out Matteo for being less than honorable back then. Years later...(now).an even weaker IMCA can do nothing about Matteo and others that are not members..and new list members whine about the banter.such is the history that lives on in our time. And, due to a bunch of this non binding, non back bonemore banter is welcomed if we are to keep honesty to a premium I would think. Leopards and spots comes to mind. I have recently given up on IMCA. I am in good company on this side of the fence as well. When the Organization can do little, it should be up to the individuals to raise the red flags, even if it bothers some individuals delete finger. Fraud is fraud, it hurts the meteorite market in general..geeze didn't this topic come up a thousand times in the past eight or nine years?? Mike is right to stir the pot, if private individuals don't get the word out, who will, the IMCA? Surely not our honest friends at eBay either. Should IMCA go to ebay with reasonable proof, and censure Matteo's activities? Depends on the lawyers opinion and what you think you pay your dues for I suppose. Mean time, it "ain't gunna happen".. Dave F. IMCA # 0 from the beginning. PolandMET wrote: Thanks for your input Marcin, but no thanks, Matteo has pulled another scam, Dirk pointed it out, and I am calling him on it. I can not believe that you would stand there and say that you would ignore a dealer selling false material. I will protect my buyers and my business (the meteorite business) by calling out a fake when I see it! Next time you get into a spat with someone, I will be there to tell you to shut up, so don't worry. Michael Farmer I understand Your rights, but You can make alive this war for next 12 months. Now is EL3, Tomorrow will be L6 and on Monday something else. This become boring. For myself. And not only for me. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] EL6/7 meteorite loaded on eBay for one cent. 4.779 kilograms.
unfortunately for you farmer is not my same material, I have been pieces of EL6/7 and its brown color, not white type thisa piece now its in analysis and we see Matteo - Original Message - > Well, it took a while, since I got caught up doing too > many other things today. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ170066829936 > Here is the EL6/7 meteorite I promised to load on > ebay. > > It is smaller than I thought (it had been in a box > since the Munich show) so I forgot how much it > weighed. > Either way, it is 283 times the size of Matteo's > piece, and 680 times CHEAPER! And it is correctly > identified, no guesswork, no lopping an end off and > classifiying it myself like Matteo does. > So let the fun, and BIDDING begin. > > Go to www.meteoritestudies.com for a more in-depth > update on the classification saga of these fossil > meteorites from Algeria. > Michael Farmer > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Poco spazio e tanto spam? Yahoo! Mail ti protegge dallo spam e ti da tanto spazio gratuito per i tuoi file e i messaggi http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] EL6/7 meteorite loaded on eBay for one cent.4.779 kilograms.
Dear Dave and Listees, Thank you Dave. Very well said! At least some of us DO give a damn about authenticity, integrity, and honesty and are not afraid to speak out. Best, Dirk...Tokyo --- Dave Freeman mjwy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Listees; > I would like to comment that back in the dark days > of meteorites a > number of years ago, WE discussed issues for > seemingly ages (1998-2001?) > and then WE invented the IMCA to protect the world > from fraudulent > meteorite dealersthen, a weak IMCA booted out > Matteo for being less > than honorable back then. Years > later...(now).an even weaker > IMCA can do nothing > about Matteo and others that are not > members..and new > list members whine about the banter.such is the > history that lives > on in our time. > And, due to a bunch of this non binding, non back > bonemore banter is welcomed if we > are to keep honesty to > a premium I would think. Leopards and spots comes > to mind. > I have recently given up on IMCA. I am in good > company on this side of > the fence as well. When the Organization can do > little, it should be up > to the individuals to raise the red flags, even if > it bothers some > individuals delete finger. Fraud is fraud, it hurts > the meteorite > market in general..geeze didn't this topic come > up a thousand times > in the past eight or nine years?? > > Mike is right to stir the pot, if private > individuals don't get the word > out, who will, the IMCA? Surely not our honest > friends at eBay either. > > Should IMCA go to ebay with reasonable proof, and > censure Matteo's > activities? Depends on the lawyers opinion and > what you think you pay > your dues for I suppose. Mean time, it "ain't gunna > happen".. > > Dave F. > IMCA # 0 > from the beginning. > > > > PolandMET wrote: > > >>Thanks for your input Marcin, but no thanks, > >>Matteo has pulled another scam, Dirk pointed it > out, > >>and I am calling him on it. > >>I can not believe that you would stand there and > say > >>that you would ignore a dealer selling false > material. > >>I will protect my buyers and my business (the > >>meteorite business) by calling out a fake when I > see > >>it! Next time you get into a spat with someone, I > will > >>be there to tell you to shut up, so don't worry. > >>Michael Farmer > >> > >> > > > >I understand Your rights, but You can make alive > this war for next 12 > >months. Now is EL3, Tomorrow will be L6 and on > Monday something else. > >This become boring. For myself. And not only for > me. > > > >-[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- > >http://www.Meteoryt.net > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 > >[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society > ] > > > >__ > >Meteorite-list mailing list > >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] EL6/7 meteorite loaded on eBay for one cent.4.779 kilograms.
Dear Matteo and List: Question 1) By your own statement you are NOW Admitting NO analysis was done (0r is completed) on your "Aubrite??" specimen before calling it an Aubrite? Yes or No? Matteo, friendship does not pend on one asking another IF he is correct or not. Many friends do. I did off-list and got no response from you. So, I asked you on-list and still no reply. And now your reply, IF your English phrasing is correct you are saying that the material has NOT been analyzed??? Please answer my QUESTION 1. YES or NO. Has it been analyzed (completed). IF your answer is NO then pull your auction!! or admit that you have not been telling the truth. Thank you. Sincerely, Dirk Ross..Tokyo --- M come Meteorite Meteorites <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hahhahaha, IMCA block me...unfortunately for IMCA, > not > protect me from the idiocy Farmer say on my account > and have kick off me from the group for this, I am > well know here in Italy and outside for the best > meteorite dealer and for my serious work on > meteorites. I doubt many my clients and person with > I > work look what say IMCA seen IMCA not know me > personaly...sinceraly with or not IMCA logo I sale > the > same with no problems...I gift meteorites to museums > for start a meteorite collection, I work free for > meteorite exhibitions for explain what is it > meteorites.etc..etc...for my, and many of others > here in Italy, Farmer is well know for the racism > against the italians and european dealers/collectors > and they not buy nothing from him. IMCA...who is > IMCA? > IMCA not protect persons from attacks of this > crazyman > say when come from me want kill me of barrel. > Sinceraly I am not interested determinated persons > buy > from me, type mr. Freeman, another have attack me > many > times in the pass time. Another is mr.Dirk, a person > that I believed friend that instead it is not > bye bye dears > > Matteo > > > --- drtanuki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: > > > Dear Dave and Listees, > > Thank you Dave. Very well said! At least some > > > of > > us DO give a damn about authenticity, integrity, > and > > honesty and are not afraid to speak out. > > Best, > > Dirk...Tokyo > > > > > > --- Dave Freeman mjwy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Listees; > > > I would like to comment that back in the dark > days > > > of meteorites a > > > number of years ago, WE discussed issues for > > > seemingly ages (1998-2001?) > > > and then WE invented the IMCA to protect the > world > > > from fraudulent > > > meteorite dealersthen, a weak IMCA booted > out > > > Matteo for being less > > > than honorable back then. Years > > > later...(now).an even > > weaker > > > IMCA can do nothing > > > about Matteo and others that are not > > > members..and new > > > list members whine about the banter.such is > > the > > > history that lives > > > on in our time. > > > And, due to a bunch of this non binding, non > back > > > bonemore banter is welcomed if > we > > > are to keep honesty to > > > a premium I would think. Leopards and spots > > comes > > > to mind. > > > I have recently given up on IMCA. I am in good > > > company on this side of > > > the fence as well. When the Organization can do > > > little, it should be up > > > to the individuals to raise the red flags, even > if > > > it bothers some > > > individuals delete finger. Fraud is fraud, it > > hurts > > > the meteorite > > > market in general..geeze didn't this topic > > come > > > up a thousand times > > > in the past eight or nine years?? > > > > > > Mike is right to stir the pot, if private > > > individuals don't get the word > > > out, who will, the IMCA? Surely not our honest > > > friends at eBay either. > > > > > > Should IMCA go to ebay with reasonable proof, > and > > > censure Matteo's > > > activities? Depends on the lawyers opinion and > > > what you think you pay > > > your dues for I suppose. Mean time, it "ain't > > gunna > > > happen".. > > > > > > Dave F. > > > IMCA # 0 > > > from the beginning. > > > > > > > > > > > > PolandMET wrote: > > > > > > >>Thanks for your input Marcin, but no thanks, > > > >>Matteo has pulled another scam, Dirk pointed > it > > > out, > > > >>and I am calling him on it. > > > >>I can not believe that you would stand there > and > > > say > > > >>that you would ignore a dealer selling false > > > material. > > > >>I will protect my buyers and my business (the > > > >>meteorite business) by calling out a fake when > I > > > see > > > >>it! Next time you get into a spat with > someone, > > I > > > will > > > >>be there to tell you to shut up, so don't > worry. > > > >>Michael Farmer > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >I understand Your rights, but You can make > alive > > > this war for next 12 > > > >months. Now is EL3, Tomorrow will be L6 and on > > > Monday something else. > > >
Re: [meteorite-list] EL6/7 meteorite loaded on eBay for one cent.4.779 kilograms.
> unfortunately for you farmer is not my same > material, > I have been pieces of EL6/7 and its brown color, not > white type thisa piece now its in analysis and > we > see > > Matteo this is incorrect. The scientists originally classifying 2965 and others thought the 'blue' and 'brown' material were unique finds - but several specimins were recovered that hsowed both lithologies in the same piece. While such examples are EXCEEDINGLY rare they DO exist. See: http://www.meteoritestudies.com/protected_NWA2965.HTM as an example. Better examples exist but i dont have any pics i can link handy. I may not be a scientist or offical classifyer or anything - but i have personally pawed through over half a ton of this material making me the worlds foremost expert on it's apearance... _ Find sales, coupons, and free shipping, all in one place! MSN Shopping Sales & Deals http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctid=198,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=200639 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] EL6/7 meteorite loaded on eBay for one cent.4.779 kilograms.
Hello, Stan mentioned a better photo of the transition between the brown and blue components of NWA 2965 than that on my webpage. He sent me the following excellent picture some time ago, I believe from NAU originally, that best illustrates this transition: http://meteoritestudies.com/N2965blu.jpg David __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] EL6/7 meteorite loaded on eBay for one cent.4.779 kilograms.
Thanks to Stan and David. This is a very good example of the old saying " one picture is worth a thousand words." Best, John Gwilliam At 02:14 PM 1/4/2007, David Weir wrote: >Hello, > >Stan mentioned a better photo of the transition between the brown and >blue components of NWA 2965 than that on my webpage. He sent me the >following excellent picture some time ago, I believe from NAU >originally, that best illustrates this transition: > >http://meteoritestudies.com/N2965blu.jpg > >David >__ >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] EL6/7 meteorite loaded on eBay for one cent.4.779 kilograms.
Hi John and List, If you want to see many more fine examples, go to eBay and type "NWA 2828". I loaded several slices and complete stones where you can see this occurrence and of the fresher material. I wasn't going to try and make this a sale ad but it is an ongoing thread of interest. Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 - Original Message - From: "JKGwilliam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "David Weir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "stan ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] EL6/7 meteorite loaded on eBay for one cent.4.779 kilograms. > Thanks to Stan and David. > This is a very good example of the old saying " one picture is worth a > thousand words." > > Best, > > John Gwilliam > > At 02:14 PM 1/4/2007, David Weir wrote: >>Hello, >> >>Stan mentioned a better photo of the transition between the brown and >>blue components of NWA 2965 than that on my webpage. He sent me the >>following excellent picture some time ago, I believe from NAU >>originally, that best illustrates this transition: >> >>http://meteoritestudies.com/N2965blu.jpg >> >>David >>__ >>Meteorite-list mailing list >>Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] EL6/7 meteorite loaded on eBay for one cent.4.779 kilograms.
Dear Greg and List, Greg, if you are agreeing that this is a paired meteorite with NWA 2965 (prov) then why don`t you mention it in your eBay sales information; and yes the offically NomCom recorded TKW of NWA is ?25kgs, but with your eBay AD the buyer is lead to conclude that there isn`t another 1000kgs of paired meteorite on the market? Thank you for addressing this on the list. I am sure other metlist members would like to understand your reasoning also. Best Regards, Dirk...Tokyo --- Greg Hupe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi John and List, > > If you want to see many more fine examples, go to > eBay and type "NWA 2828". > I loaded several slices and complete stones where > you can see this > occurrence and of the fresher material. I wasn't > going to try and make this > a sale ad but it is an ongoing thread of interest. > > Best regards, > Greg > > > Greg Hupe > The Hupe Collection > NaturesVault (eBay) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.LunarRock.com > IMCA 3163 > > > > - Original Message - > From: "JKGwilliam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "David Weir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "stan ." > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 12:59 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] EL6/7 meteorite loaded > on eBay for one > cent.4.779 kilograms. > > > > Thanks to Stan and David. > > This is a very good example of the old saying " > one picture is worth a > > thousand words." > > > > Best, > > > > John Gwilliam > > > > At 02:14 PM 1/4/2007, David Weir wrote: > >>Hello, > >> > >>Stan mentioned a better photo of the transition > between the brown and > >>blue components of NWA 2965 than that on my > webpage. He sent me the > >>following excellent picture some time ago, I > believe from NAU > >>originally, that best illustrates this transition: > >> > >>http://meteoritestudies.com/N2965blu.jpg > >> > >>David > >>__ > >>Meteorite-list mailing list > >>Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] EL6/7 meteorite loaded on eBay for one cent.4.779 kilograms.
Hi Dirk and List, Ah, I see I didn't make the change to these older unsold lots when I re-loaded them earlier this morning. If you look at one of the last paragraphs, I had made this change ready for the start of next week's auctions: "Oxygen isotope results were obtained at the Carnegie Institution in Washington D.C. Further studies are underway on NWA 2828 including bulk rock chemical analysis at the University of Cologne, and attempted measurement of terrestrial age using carbon isotopes at the University of Arizona. The Total Known Weight (TKW) for NWA 2828 is officially recorded as 34,186 grams consisting of many stones. With pairings, the combined weight is in access of 100kg." I was sent a direct link to the abstract which mentions the pairing numbers and but it does not seem to work as a link because of some difficulty with the hosting site. We went round and round last month trying to make it work, but had to settle without the link. I am sure a quick Google search for "NWA 2828" will result in finding the abstract which is the same as I posted to the list earlier. I will have to go back to the eBay auctions and make the changes when I get done with some other duties here. I would not agree with your statement that there is "...another 1000kgs..." of this material. When this was first thought (and classified) to be an aubrite, I was in Morocco no less than every 30 days buying up all of the "blue" or "fresher" material (NWA 2828 at the time). Even with the realization and work of Drs Tony Irving and Ted Bunch, among others, the more weathered material combined with the fresher blue material did not amount to that much. I saw first hand what was available, what I bought and/or left behind (none of the blue that I saw). Anyway, we could ramble on for days (again), but I think this horse has been beaten, rode hard and sent out for collectors to consider. Happy Trails! Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 - Original Message - From: "drtanuki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Greg Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] EL6/7 meteorite loaded on eBay for one cent.4.779 kilograms. > Dear Greg and List, > Greg, if you are agreeing that this is a paired > meteorite with NWA 2965 (prov) then why don`t you > mention it in your eBay sales information; and yes the > offically NomCom recorded TKW of NWA is ?25kgs, but > with your eBay AD the buyer is lead to conclude that > there isn`t another 1000kgs of paired meteorite on the > market? > Thank you for addressing this on the list. I am > sure other metlist members would like to understand > your reasoning also. Best Regards, Dirk...Tokyo > > > --- Greg Hupe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hi John and List, >> >> If you want to see many more fine examples, go to >> eBay and type "NWA 2828". >> I loaded several slices and complete stones where >> you can see this >> occurrence and of the fresher material. I wasn't >> going to try and make this >> a sale ad but it is an ongoing thread of interest. >> >> Best regards, >> Greg >> >> >> Greg Hupe >> The Hupe Collection >> NaturesVault (eBay) >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> www.LunarRock.com >> IMCA 3163 >> ============ >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "JKGwilliam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "David Weir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "stan ." >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >> >> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 12:59 PM >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] EL6/7 meteorite loaded >> on eBay for one >> cent.4.779 kilograms. >> >> >> > Thanks to Stan and David. >> > This is a very good example of the old saying " >> one picture is worth a >> > thousand words." >> > >> > Best, >> > >> > John Gwilliam >> > >> > At 02:14 PM 1/4/2007, David Weir wrote: >> >>Hello, >> >> >> >>Stan mentioned a better photo of the transition >> between the brown and >> >>blue components of NWA 2965 than that on my >> webpage. He sent me the >> >>following excellent picture some time ago, I >> believe from NAU >> >>originally, that best illustrates this transition: >> >> >> >>http://meteoritestudies.com/N2965blu.jpg >> >> >> >>David >> >>__
