Re: [meteorite-list] Leigh Anne DelRay
Hello Bob, All, Bob Evans felt attacked by my email that pertained to *his* auction of the Photographic Catalogue of Antarctic Meteorites, which received a bid of $999.99 in the closing seconds of bidding. I would like to make it clear to everyone that I do not accuse him, nor the bidder (pas520, whoever he or she might be), of shill bidding, but wished to use the example solely as one of an auction that looked odd, but which was due entirely to luck/bad bidding strategy on the part of another bidder. Bob took this as a slight at himself, and I would like to make it clear that I was not accusing him of anything fraudulent with that statement. Regards, Jason On Nov 11, 2007 10:39 PM, Jason Utas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bill, All, > > I just checked the thread: the claims against Leigh-Anne were > unsubstantiated, and, seeing as she is a well-regarded member of this > community (by most), I would suggest that list members not spread > about such rubbish unless they have evidence to back it up. Saying > that there was an odd bidding history on one item means nothing when > put next to the subsequent years that she's spent amongst us, > especially when there was no real evidence supporting the fact that > she actually did shill it. > > People mess around on ebay - take, for example, the Photographic > Catalogue of Antarctic Meteorites that recently sold on ebay. A few > seconds before the end, a bidder put in $999.99. That's perfect > shilling strategy (say the other high bidder puts in $1000, even, > they'll be forced to pay the maximum amount), and yet, no one either > noticed nor cared. Some people just don't think through what they're > doing or understand ebay when they're placing bids. That's just the > way it goes. > I've seen many a crazier thing on ebay - take, for example, the > occasional NWA that goes for $1/g. Going market price for average > NWA's is between four and five cents per gram - ~1/20 of the amount. > Some people just happen to surf ebay and come across a piece of space, > something that they never thought that they could own before, and they > decide that they want it. Some of them happen to be...not so smart > when it comes to bidding. > > The general consensus at the time (three years ago) was that Bill was > wrong in his accusation, and yet he continued to try to sully > Leigh-Anne's name even after this was decided. > I see no reason to try to convince Bill that he's wrong; after three > years of remaining fixed on this, I don't think I'm going to be able > to change his viewpoint, but the least I can say, Bill, is this: > Even if you did think that someone - anyone - had done such a thing, > it was $350 - and it was three years ago. Get over it. You have no > right to post such ridiculous and unsubstantiated libel on here (never > mind three years later, after the issue has been resolved), especially > when something as horrible as this comes up. > > Jason > > > > On Nov 11, 2007 9:10 PM, xxx wrote: > > On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 21:54:26 -0800, you wrote: > > > > >Hello Bill, All, > > >I'm confused, Bill. I asked you for any evidence of this, and you > > >failed to respond, but did choose to reply to another message on the > > >same thread a few minutes later. > > > > This rang a bell for me, so I looked it up. There was a thread on this > > back in > > mid-January 2005, under the subject "Talk about a good idea". Check the > > archives if you want a refresher. > > > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Leigh Anne DelRay
Greetings Listees, I'd like to add some comments about Leigh Anne. Last Tucson Show Leigh Anne was having car trouble and since she was limited to getting rides from some of the members she knew, myself included, I was able to spend a bit of time with her and talk about the show and things in general. I'd met her several years back at the Denver Show and have bought items from her from that time on. I'd like to add here that she is a first class jewelry maker and designs items that are really exceptional. I try to keep a supply of her meteorite relate items in my inventory. During the time I have dealt with Leigh Anne, I have never had a single problem even with sells in the hundreds of dollars. Spending time with her I really doubt that she would ever do anything of a fraudulent nature and that she is one of the nicest people in our community who is trying to make a living selling some meteorite related items. She has had a number of medical conditions in the past to the present and if there has been any problems at all, I am sure it is because of these difficulties she has suffered with and has nothing to do with her sweet character. Leigh Anne will be in my prayers and I wish her a speedy recovery and continued good health from here on. We should have more people as kind and nice as this young women is in our meteorite community. I doubt that she is covered by any insurance and this much need surgery will be an economical down fall for her. Perhaps some funds can be raised to assist her from the community. All my best! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Leigh Anne DelRay
Dear Geoff: Our prayers are with Leigh Anne today. Larry and Nancy Lebofsky __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Leigh Anne DelRay
As Michael Casper used to succinctly put it...Yuk Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: "Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Notkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Leigh Anne DelRay Leigh Anne is a notorious swindler with a myriad of ebay shills. That said, I wish her well. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 21:35:01 -0700 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Leigh Anne DelRay Dear Listees: Many of you know Leigh Anne DelRay. She is a jeweler and silversmith, meteorite collector, and is admired for her meteorite jewelry which is regularly featured at the annual Denver meteorite auction. She lived in Denver for a number of years and was a member of the Denver COMETS. Just about a year ago she moved to Tucson, and now works for me part time as an office and design assistant. She is also a well known seller on eBay. As Leigh Anne has many friends in the meteorite community, I felt I should let you all know that she is going into hospital, here in Tucson, for serious heart surgery on Monday. Her surgeon has a good success rate with this very specialized operation, but there is considerable risk involved. If any of you would care to send get well cards, notes, or letters to Leigh Anne, please address them to my P.O. Box, and I will deliver them to her as soon as she's well enough to receive visitors. Leigh Anne DelRay c/o Geoff Notkin P.O. Box 36652 Tucson, AZ 85740 Thanks in advance, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Leigh Anne DelRay
Bill, All, I just checked the thread: the claims against Leigh-Anne were unsubstantiated, and, seeing as she is a well-regarded member of this community (by most), I would suggest that list members not spread about such rubbish unless they have evidence to back it up. Saying that there was an odd bidding history on one item means nothing when put next to the subsequent years that she's spent amongst us, especially when there was no real evidence supporting the fact that she actually did shill it. People mess around on ebay - take, for example, the Photographic Catalogue of Antarctic Meteorites that recently sold on ebay. A few seconds before the end, a bidder put in $999.99. That's perfect shilling strategy (say the other high bidder puts in $1000, even, they'll be forced to pay the maximum amount), and yet, no one either noticed nor cared. Some people just don't think through what they're doing or understand ebay when they're placing bids. That's just the way it goes. I've seen many a crazier thing on ebay - take, for example, the occasional NWA that goes for $1/g. Going market price for average NWA's is between four and five cents per gram - ~1/20 of the amount. Some people just happen to surf ebay and come across a piece of space, something that they never thought that they could own before, and they decide that they want it. Some of them happen to be...not so smart when it comes to bidding. The general consensus at the time (three years ago) was that Bill was wrong in his accusation, and yet he continued to try to sully Leigh-Anne's name even after this was decided. I see no reason to try to convince Bill that he's wrong; after three years of remaining fixed on this, I don't think I'm going to be able to change his viewpoint, but the least I can say, Bill, is this: Even if you did think that someone - anyone - had done such a thing, it was $350 - and it was three years ago. Get over it. You have no right to post such ridiculous and unsubstantiated libel on here (never mind three years later, after the issue has been resolved), especially when something as horrible as this comes up. Jason On Nov 11, 2007 9:10 PM, xxx wrote: > On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 21:54:26 -0800, you wrote: > > >Hello Bill, All, > >I'm confused, Bill. I asked you for any evidence of this, and you > >failed to respond, but did choose to reply to another message on the > >same thread a few minutes later. > > This rang a bell for me, so I looked it up. There was a thread on this back > in > mid-January 2005, under the subject "Talk about a good idea". Check the > archives if you want a refresher. > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Leigh Anne DelRay
Hello Bill, All, I'm confused, Bill. I asked you for any evidence of this, and you failed to respond, but did choose to reply to another message on the same thread a few minutes later. I agree with Greg. This most certainly reflects upon you in a sour light, Bill. To say such things about a kind member of the community with no evidence to support your claims is nothing short of insulting, given the situation. Leigh-Ann, you have my best wishes for as speedy recovery as possible. I hope all goes as well as it could for you. Jason On Nov 11, 2007 9:12 PM, GREG LINDH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Bill, > >I think your post says way more about you than it does about Leigh Anne. > Personally, I'll be praying for a successfull operation and a full > recovery for Leigh Anne. > >Greg Lindh > > > > > >From: Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: Notkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Leigh Anne DelRay > >Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 17:17:58 -0800 > > > > >Leigh Anne is a notorious swindler with a myriad of ebay shills. That said, > >I wish her well. > > > >Bill > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 21:35:01 -0700 > > > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Leigh Anne DelRay > > > > > > Dear Listees: > > > > > > Many of you know Leigh Anne DelRay. She is a jeweler and silversmith, > > > meteorite collector, and is admired for her meteorite jewelry which is > > > regularly featured at the annual Denver meteorite auction. She lived in > > > Denver for a number of years and was a member of the Denver COMETS. > > > Just about a year ago she moved to Tucson, and now works for me part > > > time as an office and design assistant. She is also a well known seller > > > on eBay. > > > > > > As Leigh Anne has many friends in the meteorite community, I felt I > > > should let you all know that she is going into hospital, here in > > > Tucson, for serious heart surgery on Monday. Her surgeon has a good > > > success rate with this very specialized operation, but there is > > > considerable risk involved. > > > > > > If any of you would care to send get well cards, notes, or letters to > > > Leigh Anne, please address them to my P.O. Box, and I will deliver them > > > to her as soon as she's well enough to receive visitors. > > > > > > Leigh Anne DelRay > > > c/o Geoff Notkin > > > P.O. Box 36652 > > > Tucson, AZ 85740 > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > Geoff N. > > > www.aerolite.org > > > > > > __ > > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >__ > >Meteorite-list mailing list > >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Leigh Anne DelRay
Bill, I think your post says way more about you than it does about Leigh Anne. Personally, I'll be praying for a successfull operation and a full recovery for Leigh Anne. Greg Lindh From: Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Notkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Leigh Anne DelRay Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 17:17:58 -0800 Leigh Anne is a notorious swindler with a myriad of ebay shills. That said, I wish her well. Bill > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 21:35:01 -0700 > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Leigh Anne DelRay > > Dear Listees: > > Many of you know Leigh Anne DelRay. She is a jeweler and silversmith, > meteorite collector, and is admired for her meteorite jewelry which is > regularly featured at the annual Denver meteorite auction. She lived in > Denver for a number of years and was a member of the Denver COMETS. > Just about a year ago she moved to Tucson, and now works for me part > time as an office and design assistant. She is also a well known seller > on eBay. > > As Leigh Anne has many friends in the meteorite community, I felt I > should let you all know that she is going into hospital, here in > Tucson, for serious heart surgery on Monday. Her surgeon has a good > success rate with this very specialized operation, but there is > considerable risk involved. > > If any of you would care to send get well cards, notes, or letters to > Leigh Anne, please address them to my P.O. Box, and I will deliver them > to her as soon as she's well enough to receive visitors. > > Leigh Anne DelRay > c/o Geoff Notkin > P.O. Box 36652 > Tucson, AZ 85740 > > > Thanks in advance, > > Geoff N. > www.aerolite.org > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Leigh Anne DelRay
Based upon one transaction with "Delray Goddess" I must ardently agree with your assessment Paul. Leigh Anne treated me with the utmost professionalism and even included a small gift. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Leigh Anne DelRay Good evening Folks, and Bill, Your most recent post was certainly in poor taste, Bill. Not to mention potentially libelous. Personally, I am shocked by your brazenness. Best Regards to all, Paul Martyn Savannah, GA In a message dated 11/11/2007 8:18:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, (Bill) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Leigh Anne is That said, I wish her well. Bill ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Leigh Anne DelRay
Hi all, My son and I met Leigh Anne DelRay last week and thought she seemed very sweet. Geoff, any idea how the surgery went, Ruben Jr and I have been very concerned. Get well soon Leigh Anne! Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Leigh Anne DelRay
Maybe you could represent her Paul. Bill > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:28:44 EST > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Leigh Anne DelRay > > Good evening Folks, and Bill, > > Your most recent post was certainly in poor taste, Bill. Not to mention > potentially libelous. Personally, I am shocked by your brazenness. > > Best Regards to all, > > Paul Martyn > Savannah, GA > > > > In a message dated 11/11/2007 8:18:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, (Bill) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Leigh Anne is That said, I wish her well. > > Bill > > > > > ** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Leigh Anne DelRay
Good evening Folks, and Bill, Your most recent post was certainly in poor taste, Bill. Not to mention potentially libelous. Personally, I am shocked by your brazenness. Best Regards to all, Paul Martyn Savannah, GA In a message dated 11/11/2007 8:18:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, (Bill) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Leigh Anne is That said, I wish her well. Bill ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Leigh Anne DelRay
Leigh Anne is a notorious swindler with a myriad of ebay shills. That said, I wish her well. Bill > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 21:35:01 -0700 > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Leigh Anne DelRay > > Dear Listees: > > Many of you know Leigh Anne DelRay. She is a jeweler and silversmith, > meteorite collector, and is admired for her meteorite jewelry which is > regularly featured at the annual Denver meteorite auction. She lived in > Denver for a number of years and was a member of the Denver COMETS. > Just about a year ago she moved to Tucson, and now works for me part > time as an office and design assistant. She is also a well known seller > on eBay. > > As Leigh Anne has many friends in the meteorite community, I felt I > should let you all know that she is going into hospital, here in > Tucson, for serious heart surgery on Monday. Her surgeon has a good > success rate with this very specialized operation, but there is > considerable risk involved. > > If any of you would care to send get well cards, notes, or letters to > Leigh Anne, please address them to my P.O. Box, and I will deliver them > to her as soon as she's well enough to receive visitors. > > Leigh Anne DelRay > c/o Geoff Notkin > P.O. Box 36652 > Tucson, AZ 85740 > > > Thanks in advance, > > Geoff N. > www.aerolite.org > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
