Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoth Stew - let leg simmer on fire in skin
E.P., All, > >To be perfectly frank, I've had enough of you, but I > >do like getting the last word in, so here you go. > > Why do I have this feeling that this will not be the > last word we hear from Jason? Probably because we've not seen the last of you either; you're doing the same thing ;) > >Notice how no one else is agreeing with you. > > Yeah, I noticed that Sterling and a few others have > already responded to Jason's multiple misconceptions > about impact processes, but Jason seems to have > fixated on me. Now if he only had tits... Sterling and I have come to a sort of agreement, in case you've missed it, but I really included the gist of it in my last email - in any case, it should be below, if you included my entire post in your response. Damn straight - I'm so hot even middle-aged guys wish I had tits. Hmmm, this is getting awkward > >At least everyone else can see what a fool you're > >making of yourself... > > Apparently Jason has not bothered to consider the > alternative hypothesis that it might be the other way > around. Well I've had a few messages of support from list members as well as an email from a world-renowned expert on meteorites, stating that I was being "too generous" with my critiques, so I think you're mistaken here - as much as elsewhere. Go read Darren's post if you don't believe me. > >The only person in denial here is you, who refuses to > >accept the fact that he can't possibly know with any > >certainty what sort of cosmic cataclysms caused > either >dust layer. > > Apparently Jason ignored the Native American's > memories of the Holocene Start Impacts which I posted > here a while back. Ahhh, right. You go believe that. Darren's post sums up just about everyone else's opinion of that as well. Legends are not science. They tend to have somewhat historical roots, but we're talking about science here, not a picture book about native american storytelling. > And in this post, Jason once again demonstrates his > complete inability to differentiate between the > holocene start impacts and the mammoth pepperer. > > >What you have is a lack of proof for any known impact > >process, and you seem to want to attribute that to an > >airburst. In science, we just don't do that. > > In science, we don't mistate evidence in order to > invalidate a hypothesis; we also don't mistate > hyposthesis in order to invalidate them. You're not saying anything here. The point is that you have no evidence. No evidence =/= airburst. It doesn't matter what you say if there's nothing behind it. You keep saying that you have evidence for an airburst; what is your definitive evidence? By all means, tell us all right now... > Why is Jason reading what he wants to believe, instead > of what is actually written? Denial. Well, besides that fact that I've come to understand that what you write tends to be quite akin in quality (scientifically speaking) to the children's book rather aptly named 'Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs,' I think you're going to find it hard to get me to believe much of what you say - especially when the sole things that my beliefs are grounded in are logic, the laws of science, and mathematics. > > Which means that you expect a large, thirty-thousand > > year old crater to exist somewhere on the continent. > > Sterling gave Jason a few minutes of his time and went > through ice impact with him, but that seems to have > gone in one of Jason's ears and out the other, with > nothing there to stop it. I have acknowledged multiple times that I see the ice impact as a (an albeit unlikely) possible explanation for the geologic evidence that has been found. You accuse me of misinterpreting what you wrote; why don't you try reading the emails that I've sent you to begin with? I repeatedly state that the ice impact is a possibility - you're the one who expected to find a crater given the evidence already discovered. You failed to include above the quote that clearly stated that you believed that a crater exists to be found. Maybe you've changed your point of view; I don't know, but you clearly stated that you believed that a crater exists to be found. That said, as no definitive evidence for an ice impact has been found, it is impossible to state that this is without a doubt what caused the layer of dust/extinctions. There may or may not be any definitive evidence to find, but we're talking about science here, not religion. Just because we don't have a solid explanation yet doesn't mean that a particular one of the countless possibilities that could explain it (however likely it is to have generated the effects seen) is certainly the right one. > >I can calculate KE, and am taking calculus, as well > as >Physics B. > > Some teachers out there have my deepest condolences. Haha, right - interesting how you cut out the rest of what I said and moved on. You might try gaining some credibility by saying something about your own self, if there's anything there t
Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoth Stew - let leg simmer on fire in skin
Hi Jason, all - >To be perfectly frank, I've had enough of you, but I >do like getting the last word in, so here you go. Why do I have this feeling that this will not be the last word we hear from Jason? >Notice how no one else is agreeing with you. Yeah, I noticed that Sterling and a few others have already responded to Jason's multiple misconceptions about impact processes, but Jason seems to have fixated on me. Now if he only had tits... >At least everyone else can see what a fool you're >making of yourself... Apparently Jason has not bothered to consider the alternative hypothesis that it might be the other way around. >The only person in denial here is you, who refuses to >accept the fact that he can't possibly know with any >certainty what sort of cosmic cataclysms caused either >dust layer. Apparently Jason ignored the Native American's memories of the Holocene Start Impacts which I posted here a while back. And in this post, Jason once again demonstrates his complete inability to differentiate between the holocene start impacts and the mammoth pepperer. >What you have is a lack of proof for any known impact >process, and you seem to want to attribute that to an >airburst. In science, we just don't do that. In science, we don't mistate evidence in order to invalidate a hypothesis; we also don't mistate hyposthesis in order to invalidate them. Why is Jason reading what he wants to believe, instead of what is actually written? Denial. > Which means that you expect a large, thirty-thousand > year old crater to exist somewhere on the continent. Sterling gave Jason a few minutes of his time and went through ice impact with him, but that seems to have gone in one of Jason's ears and out the other, with nothing there to stop it. >I can calculate KE, and am taking calculus, as well as >Physics B. Some teachers out there have my deepest condolences. >Either you don't know what you're talking about or >you're simply trying to piss me off with your >ridiculous and unfounded claims. Denial manifest. More to come later, I'm sure, along with some observations on paradigm shift. good hunting, all E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas END > "If you stopped lying - and maybe started obeying the > "laws of physics, scientific method, not to mention > " basic logic, we might get somewhere. > > Thanks for the compliment, Jason. I don't think "we" > are going to be able to get anywhere. You did lie. Here's your quote for the rest of the people who may or may not be following along: 1) E.P. Stated that: "It seems to me that the cores of the cometissimals in a comet have a nice metal content. That's where the iridium is, after all." 2) I stated that: We don't know much about cometary composition, but there's no reason (at all) to suspect that they formed around iron cores, 3) In response, E.P. stated that: "I never said that." -- You don't even try to defend what you said but instead try to turn it on me for having said that you lied, when you clearly did. At least everyone else can see what a fool you're making of yourself... > "Show me proof. Show me blackened bones. > "Oh, that's right - there isn't any. > ""As I said before, I won't say that such events > "haven't happened,because in all likelihood, they have > "- but we *have no proof.* > "This is not denial. This is fact. > > What "we" pretty well know is that Jason's assertion > is not a fact, and that he is exhibiting denial. You have a layer of cosmic dust and a decline in animal populations. I don't doubt in any way that the answer is of cosmic origin, but what I'm saying is that you can't say with *any* degree of certainty what sort of cosmic event caused the layer of dust and supposed climate change because you have no solid evidence (such as the Yucatan crater) to prove your point. You maintain that, and I quote, "4) As far as locating the 31,000 BCE crater goes, its possible that the situation might be similar to the K-T crater - that one took 10 years to find. Same goes for impact point(s) for the 10,900 BCE event. If you look at impact crater distribution maps, you'll see that more have been found in the areas where geologists live." - Which means that you expect a large, thirty-thousand year old crater to exist somewhere on the continent. Until you find definitive evidence such as this, all of your theories remain nothing more than unsubstantiated hypothesis. What you have is a lack of proof for any known impact process, and you seem to want to attribute that to an airburst. In science, we just don't do that. > "Rationalize them away? I'm not trying to say > anything "other than the fact that you're attributing > a mass "hominid death to an airburst/impact scenario > (you seem "to have changed your mind in this regard), > > For the 10,900 BCE event Sterling brought up airburst, > but only as an example of how little evidence can > remain from a pretty big impact. I've pretty well > always spoken abo
