Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments
Hi, Yes, The connection between scrotal cancer in chimney sweeps and the oily soot of their occupation was first made by Percival Pott in 1775. The cause was the accumulation of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, or PAH's in the crease of major joints. The same cancer also broke out on the back of the neck from soot under the collar and near or in the area of other major joints. The soot absorbs and holds the PAH's, which in turn make the soot oily, hence sticky and hard to wash off. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percivall_Pott This was the second identification of an environmental hazard as a cause of a cancer. The first was a few decades earlier when cancers among Silesian miners were traced to the arsenic in the lead ores they mined and refined. Arsenic was removed at an earlier step in the refining and the cancer incidence dropped dramatically. [I can't give you the name of that doctor; Google has failed me here because of the avalanche of hits on the role of arsenic in cancer which, several centuries later, we are still arguing about for some insane reason. Also, because Silesia is still struggling with arsenic toxicity of soil, water and food, and because arsenic has been discovered to kill some cancers while causing others -- too darn many Google-hits.] At first, there was considerable alarm when it was discovered that fullerenes are readily absorbed by but not eliminated from the human body and that they favored certain organs. But many trials with experimental animals dosed with fullerene-rich diets have failed to show harm. In fact, the fullerenes disappear. A recent discovery shows that when you remove carbon atoms, one at a time, from a large fullerene, it collapses to the next smallest fullerene, from C-76 to C-70 to C-60, but when you remove one carbon from a C-60 -- poof! -- the fullerene just vanishes. It seems you can't have a partial or broken fullerene; the molecule wont stay stuck together without all 60 atoms in place. This may mean that fullerenes are destroyed, rather than eliminated, from the body. Evidence is hard to come by, as they are too small to detect without an electron microscope! Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Kashuba [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Sterling K. Webb' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Meteorite Mailing List' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: 'tracy latimer' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 1:08 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments Sterling, List, Well, soot HAS been a problem for some people. I believe the first identified occupational cancer was scrotal cancer in young chimney sweeps. Bucky Balls indeed! John Kashuba Ontario, California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sterling K. Webb Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 8:22 PM To: Meteorite Mailing List Cc: tracy latimer Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments Hi, Jerry, List, Though many experts remain skeptical of the validity of the emerging science related to buckeye balls ... At first, it was claimed that buckeyballs could only be formed in extreme conditions, such as are found in a major impact. Then we discovered that they can be formed at low temperatures and pressures by different means (they're in candle soot). They can still be formed in extremes, though. On Earth, they can be formed by lightning and are found in the mineral shungite. However, the finding of Helium-3 inside a Bucky Ball is a different matter. Helium (all isotopes) is not exactly common on Earth, and the terrestrial atmospheric ratio of He-3 to He-4 is one atom of He-3 to 1,380,000 atoms of He-4. In mantle rocks, the ratio is 200 parts of He-3 to a million parts of He-4, or one to 5000. The extraterrestrial or cosmic abundances of He-3 to He-4 is much higher than any terrestrial ratios. In lunar regolith, the ratio is one to 2800. So, if you find a detectable amount of He-3 in a Bucky Ball, that Bucky Ball was likely made from materials from off-planet, not local stuff. BB + He3 = Rocks From Space, or ice from space, or dust from space, pick your catastrophe. (In defense, supernova debris should be rotten with every kind of buckeyballs...) A fullerene is a trivalent convex polyhedron with pentagonal and hexagonal faces. The simplest Buckminsterfullerene is Carbon-60, of which there are 1812 non-isomorphic varieties. Other common Buckminsterfullerenes are Carbon-70 and 76 and 84, and even 100 is pretty common. There are also boron Buckminsterfullerenes, and there's probably no reason other tri-valent atoms can't have some fun, too. A simple Carbon-60 Buckminsterfullerene is about 0.7 nanometers across. Don't touch'em or breathe'em, as they can enter human flesh easily but seem to have a heck of time trying to leave, though. This has caused the tremulous to flap about health
Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments
Whoops! That was a bison SKULL. Bison don't have tusks... Sterling K. Webb - Hi, Bear in mind that they have found exactly EIGHT mammoth tusks and ONE Siberian bison tusk (??!) with this evidence after sorting through a warehouse of mammoth ivory gathered from all over. Again, it's the few and tiny clues in a mountain of potential evidence. Such tusks are relatively plentiful and are in big demand among those who need ivory legitimately in small qualtities, now that ivory is banned. Just go on eBay and search for guitar saddle (and saddle blanks) of mammoth ivory and fossil ivory! (Fossil walrus tusk is popular, too.) So, all they've found is just the few examples of a rare marker of an event. Viewed that way, it does not seem so unreasonable that there would be a handful of animals at the edge of a blast zone from an airburst that would survive the event but get peppered. It's not as if all the mammoths of the era were walking around with tusk-wounds and shaking their shaggy heads to stop the ringing in those big ears... Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: tracy latimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments Wups! Sounds like I may have inadvertently stepped on some academic toes. I don't mean to accuse the good doctor of faking anything, and apologize if it came out like that. I'm just trying to imagine a cosmic event that would hurl near-microscopic BBs of iron through the atmosphere at meteoric speed without reducing them to incandescent vapor, yet have them keep enough inertia and heat to penetrate bone and ivory. Popular cinema representations aside (Armageddon, anyone?) meteorites that go that fast and are that small are really meteors and burn up before hitting the ground. Slightly bigger bits, a la Holbrook, went into dark/cold flight long before getting near the ground. Our atmosphere is a very efficient protection device. Given the extraordinary claim, I'd like extraordinary evidence. Is there a terrestrial phenomenon that would fill the bill, like volcanic ash? Where were the tusks and bones originally found, and in conjunction with what sediments/plant matter/snow? Were they on the surface, or did they have to be excavated, and can their location be revisited for sampling? Have deposits of the smoking iron pellets (okay from now on, I'm just going to call them Hot Hail, as in the Flash Gordon Emperor Ming device) been found elsewhere, in the same manner as the K-T iridium layer? If the Hot Hail penetrated mammoth tusks, we should find them imbedded in soil deposits, snow layers, and tree trunks from the same era. Did the Hot Hail have a strewnfield? I know, I know too many questions with no theory. Tracy Latimer From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:30:26 -0600 CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered with Meteorite Fragments Hi, List Well, I knew we were going to get back to those mammoth teeth... How about the history of the whole crazy thing? Who is Richard B. Firestone? Firestone is a well-established scientist I think you can dismiss the shotgun theory, really: No Cardiff Giant, no Abominable Snow Man, no fake diamond mine, no Barnum tricks. _ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_wlhmtextlink1_dec __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments
Hi, Bear in mind that they have found exactly EIGHT mammoth tusks and ONE Siberian bison tusk with this evidence after sorting through a warehouse of mammoth ivory gathered from all over. Again, it's the few and tiny clues in a mountain of potential evidence. Such tusks are relatively plentiful and are in big demand among those who need ivory legitimately in small qualtities, now that ivory is banned. Just go on eBay and search for guitar saddle (and saddle blanks) of mammoth ivory and fossil ivory! (Fossil walrus tusk is popular, too.) So, all they've found is just the few examples of a rare marker of an event. Viewed that way, it does not seem so unreasonable that there would be a handful of animals at the edge of a blast zone from an airburst that would survive the event but get peppered. It's not as if all the mammoths of the era were walking around with tusk-wounds and shaking their shaggy heads to stop the ringing in those big ears... Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: tracy latimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments Wups! Sounds like I may have inadvertently stepped on some academic toes. I don't mean to accuse the good doctor of faking anything, and apologize if it came out like that. I'm just trying to imagine a cosmic event that would hurl near-microscopic BBs of iron through the atmosphere at meteoric speed without reducing them to incandescent vapor, yet have them keep enough inertia and heat to penetrate bone and ivory. Popular cinema representations aside (Armageddon, anyone?) meteorites that go that fast and are that small are really meteors and burn up before hitting the ground. Slightly bigger bits, a la Holbrook, went into dark/cold flight long before getting near the ground. Our atmosphere is a very efficient protection device. Given the extraordinary claim, I'd like extraordinary evidence. Is there a terrestrial phenomenon that would fill the bill, like volcanic ash? Where were the tusks and bones originally found, and in conjunction with what sediments/plant matter/snow? Were they on the surface, or did they have to be excavated, and can their location be revisited for sampling? Have deposits of the smoking iron pellets (okay from now on, I'm just going to call them Hot Hail, as in the Flash Gordon Emperor Ming device) been found elsewhere, in the same manner as the K-T iridium layer? If the Hot Hail penetrated mammoth tusks, we should find them imbedded in soil deposits, snow layers, and tree trunks from the same era. Did the Hot Hail have a strewnfield? I know, I know too many questions with no theory. Tracy Latimer From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:30:26 -0600 CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered with Meteorite Fragments Hi, List Well, I knew we were going to get back to those mammoth teeth... How about the history of the whole crazy thing? Who is Richard B. Firestone? Firestone is a well-established scientist I think you can dismiss the shotgun theory, really: No Cardiff Giant, no Abominable Snow Man, no fake diamond mine, no Barnum tricks. _ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_wlhmtextlink1_dec __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments
I know that this thread centers on metal imbedded in some Mammoth tusks BUT I've yet seen where anyone has referred to 1988 archaeologist Bill Topping's find of metal shrapnel found in Clovis Flakes and his unsuccessful attempt to reproduce this kind of event by firing a 12 ga. shotgun filled with tiny metal particles at similar flakes. Nat Geo Mammoth Mystery. I wish somebody who's seen this show would comment on it's authenticity. As a layperson, I'm impressed but I feel exposed without anyone's criticism or corroboration or commentary. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: tracy latimer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments Hi, Bear in mind that they have found exactly EIGHT mammoth tusks and ONE Siberian bison tusk with this evidence after sorting through a warehouse of mammoth ivory gathered from all over. Again, it's the few and tiny clues in a mountain of potential evidence. Such tusks are relatively plentiful and are in big demand among those who need ivory legitimately in small qualtities, now that ivory is banned. Just go on eBay and search for guitar saddle (and saddle blanks) of mammoth ivory and fossil ivory! (Fossil walrus tusk is popular, too.) So, all they've found is just the few examples of a rare marker of an event. Viewed that way, it does not seem so unreasonable that there would be a handful of animals at the edge of a blast zone from an airburst that would survive the event but get peppered. It's not as if all the mammoths of the era were walking around with tusk-wounds and shaking their shaggy heads to stop the ringing in those big ears... Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: tracy latimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments Wups! Sounds like I may have inadvertently stepped on some academic toes. I don't mean to accuse the good doctor of faking anything, and apologize if it came out like that. I'm just trying to imagine a cosmic event that would hurl near-microscopic BBs of iron through the atmosphere at meteoric speed without reducing them to incandescent vapor, yet have them keep enough inertia and heat to penetrate bone and ivory. Popular cinema representations aside (Armageddon, anyone?) meteorites that go that fast and are that small are really meteors and burn up before hitting the ground. Slightly bigger bits, a la Holbrook, went into dark/cold flight long before getting near the ground. Our atmosphere is a very efficient protection device. Given the extraordinary claim, I'd like extraordinary evidence. Is there a terrestrial phenomenon that would fill the bill, like volcanic ash? Where were the tusks and bones originally found, and in conjunction with what sediments/plant matter/snow? Were they on the surface, or did they have to be excavated, and can their location be revisited for sampling? Have deposits of the smoking iron pellets (okay from now on, I'm just going to call them Hot Hail, as in the Flash Gordon Emperor Ming device) been found elsewhere, in the same manner as the K-T iridium layer? If the Hot Hail penetrated mammoth tusks, we should find them imbedded in soil deposits, snow layers, and tree trunks from the same era. Did the Hot Hail have a strewnfield? I know, I know too many questions with no theory. Tracy Latimer From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:30:26 -0600 CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered with Meteorite Fragments Hi, List Well, I knew we were going to get back to those mammoth teeth... How about the history of the whole crazy thing? Who is Richard B. Firestone? Firestone is a well-established scientist I think you can dismiss the shotgun theory, really: No Cardiff Giant, no Abominable Snow Man, no fake diamond mine, no Barnum tricks. _ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_wlhmtextlink1_dec __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite
Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments
Another NAME mentioned in the NG is geologist Allen West whose search for telltale micrometeorites in Mamm. tusks led him to a warehouse outside of Calgary, Canada Fossils. Ageing the tusks, after locating several with multiple metal fragments and following this up with a similarly pelted giant bison, radio carbon dating being as imprecise as IT is, something else serendipitously intervened to nail down the time! The bones of a Clovis era horse, packed with silt, were found IN the Extinction layer[the level just below the Black Mats which mark the ceiling of the of the NA Mega fauna extinction event [yet to be confirmed] Probing into this 13,000 year old silt at the atomic level, finding high levels of, guess what, Iridium, spawned a continent wide search for similar finding combing the suspected extinction layer for E.T. evidence. As they had hoped, elevated levels of Iridium turned up at other sites across the continent. Knowing that this one finding was inconclusive since concentrations of this element are known to happen in more conventional ways, the study was referred to Dr LuAnn Becker, a geochemist and an authority on the cosmic chemistry of trace elements involved in these cataclysmic events. Looking for nano sized traces of star dust, she found fullerenes, thought to have formed in the explosion of rare carbon stars, with cosmic HE3 trapped inside. Becker is among a group who surmise that these have arrived on earth by hitching rides on comets or asteroids. Though many experts remain skeptical of the validity of the emerging science related to buckeye balls another problem relates to the lack of a crater dating to that time. ICE, however, makes a marvelous mask and might explain the absence of traces of a 13,000 year old crater which, enormous if it were capable of wiping out human and animal populations across a continent, remains too subtle to be recognized by our current technology. Subsequent portions of the show dramatize the perfect impact point where most damage might be wrought concluding with the Nuc. winter as confirmed by dramatic climate change over the next 400 years. Anywho, I hope somebody gets to take in the show and set it to rest as a possible scenario or comments on it. Forgive my longwinded attempt to capsulate the show. I haven't done it justice at any rate. P.S. did anyone get to see any meteors early this morning? Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]; tracy latimer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments I know that this thread centers on metal imbedded in some Mammoth tusks BUT I've yet seen where anyone has referred to 1988 archaeologist Bill Topping's find of metal shrapnel found in Clovis Flakes and his unsuccessful attempt to reproduce this kind of event by firing a 12 ga. shotgun filled with tiny metal particles at similar flakes. Nat Geo Mammoth Mystery. I wish somebody who's seen this show would comment on it's authenticity. As a layperson, I'm impressed but I feel exposed without anyone's criticism or corroboration or commentary. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: tracy latimer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments Hi, Bear in mind that they have found exactly EIGHT mammoth tusks and ONE Siberian bison tusk with this evidence after sorting through a warehouse of mammoth ivory gathered from all over. Again, it's the few and tiny clues in a mountain of potential evidence. Such tusks are relatively plentiful and are in big demand among those who need ivory legitimately in small qualtities, now that ivory is banned. Just go on eBay and search for guitar saddle (and saddle blanks) of mammoth ivory and fossil ivory! (Fossil walrus tusk is popular, too.) So, all they've found is just the few examples of a rare marker of an event. Viewed that way, it does not seem so unreasonable that there would be a handful of animals at the edge of a blast zone from an airburst that would survive the event but get peppered. It's not as if all the mammoths of the era were walking around with tusk-wounds and shaking their shaggy heads to stop the ringing in those big ears... Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: tracy latimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments Wups! Sounds like I may have
Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments
Oh yes, countless nano diamonds were found throughout the extinction layer! Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]; tracy latimer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments Another NAME mentioned in the NG is geologist Allen West whose search for telltale micrometeorites in Mamm. tusks led him to a warehouse outside of Calgary, Canada Fossils. Ageing the tusks, after locating several with multiple metal fragments and following this up with a similarly pelted giant bison, radio carbon dating being as imprecise as IT is, something else serendipitously intervened to nail down the time! The bones of a Clovis era horse, packed with silt, were found IN the Extinction layer[the level just below the Black Mats which mark the ceiling of the of the NA Mega fauna extinction event [yet to be confirmed] Probing into this 13,000 year old silt at the atomic level, finding high levels of, guess what, Iridium, spawned a continent wide search for similar finding combing the suspected extinction layer for E.T. evidence. As they had hoped, elevated levels of Iridium turned up at other sites across the continent. Knowing that this one finding was inconclusive since concentrations of this element are known to happen in more conventional ways, the study was referred to Dr LuAnn Becker, a geochemist and an authority on the cosmic chemistry of trace elements involved in these cataclysmic events. Looking for nano sized traces of star dust, she found fullerenes, thought to have formed in the explosion of rare carbon stars, with cosmic HE3 trapped inside. Becker is among a group who surmise that these have arrived on earth by hitching rides on comets or asteroids. Though many experts remain skeptical of the validity of the emerging science related to buckeye balls another problem relates to the lack of a crater dating to that time. ICE, however, makes a marvelous mask and might explain the absence of traces of a 13,000 year old crater which, enormous if it were capable of wiping out human and animal populations across a continent, remains too subtle to be recognized by our current technology. Subsequent portions of the show dramatize the perfect impact point where most damage might be wrought concluding with the Nuc. winter as confirmed by dramatic climate change over the next 400 years. Anywho, I hope somebody gets to take in the show and set it to rest as a possible scenario or comments on it. Forgive my longwinded attempt to capsulate the show. I haven't done it justice at any rate. P.S. did anyone get to see any meteors early this morning? Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]; tracy latimer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments I know that this thread centers on metal imbedded in some Mammoth tusks BUT I've yet seen where anyone has referred to 1988 archaeologist Bill Topping's find of metal shrapnel found in Clovis Flakes and his unsuccessful attempt to reproduce this kind of event by firing a 12 ga. shotgun filled with tiny metal particles at similar flakes. Nat Geo Mammoth Mystery. I wish somebody who's seen this show would comment on it's authenticity. As a layperson, I'm impressed but I feel exposed without anyone's criticism or corroboration or commentary. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: tracy latimer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments Hi, Bear in mind that they have found exactly EIGHT mammoth tusks and ONE Siberian bison tusk with this evidence after sorting through a warehouse of mammoth ivory gathered from all over. Again, it's the few and tiny clues in a mountain of potential evidence. Such tusks are relatively plentiful and are in big demand among those who need ivory legitimately in small qualtities, now that ivory is banned. Just go on eBay and search for guitar saddle (and saddle blanks) of mammoth ivory and fossil ivory! (Fossil walrus tusk is popular, too.) So, all they've found is just the few examples of a rare marker of an event. Viewed that way, it does not seem so unreasonable that there would be a handful of animals at the edge of a blast zone from an airburst that would survive the event but get peppered. It's not as if all the mammoths of the era were walking around with tusk-wounds and shaking their shaggy heads to stop the ringing
Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments
Hi, Jerry, List, Though many experts remain skeptical of the validity of the emerging science related to buckeye balls ... At first, it was claimed that buckeyballs could only be formed in extreme conditions, such as are found in a major impact. Then we discovered that they can be formed at low temperatures and pressures by different means (they're in candle soot). They can still be formed in extremes, though. On Earth, they can be formed by lightning and are found in the mineral shungite. However, the finding of Helium-3 inside a Bucky Ball is a different matter. Helium (all isotopes) is not exactly common on Earth, and the terrestrial atmospheric ratio of He-3 to He-4 is one atom of He-3 to 1,380,000 atoms of He-4. In mantle rocks, the ratio is 200 parts of He-3 to a million parts of He-4, or one to 5000. The extraterrestrial or cosmic abundances of He-3 to He-4 is much higher than any terrestrial ratios. In lunar regolith, the ratio is one to 2800. So, if you find a detectable amount of He-3 in a Bucky Ball, that Bucky Ball was likely made from materials from off-planet, not local stuff. BB + He3 = Rocks From Space, or ice from space, or dust from space, pick your catastrophe. (In defense, supernova debris should be rotten with every kind of buckeyballs...) A fullerene is a trivalent convex polyhedron with pentagonal and hexagonal faces. The simplest Buckminsterfullerene is Carbon-60, of which there are 1812 non-isomorphic varieties. Other common Buckminsterfullerenes are Carbon-70 and 76 and 84, and even 100 is pretty common. There are also boron Buckminsterfullerenes, and there's probably no reason other tri-valent atoms can't have some fun, too. A simple Carbon-60 Buckminsterfullerene is about 0.7 nanometers across. Don't touch'em or breathe'em, as they can enter human flesh easily but seem to have a heck of time trying to leave, though. This has caused the tremulous to flap about health hazards, but humanity has had a long-term exposure to materials rich in fullerenes (soot was everywhere) and trouble would have shown up long ago, if there were trouble... And last, and certainly least, The Bucky Ball is the State Molecule of Texas! Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]; tracy latimer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments Another NAME mentioned in the NG is geologist Allen West whose search for telltale micrometeorites in Mamm. tusks led him to a warehouse outside of Calgary, Canada Fossils. Ageing the tusks, after locating several with multiple metal fragments and following this up with a similarly pelted giant bison, radio carbon dating being as imprecise as IT is, something else serendipitously intervened to nail down the time! The bones of a Clovis era horse, packed with silt, were found IN the Extinction layer[the level just below the Black Mats which mark the ceiling of the of the NA Mega fauna extinction event [yet to be confirmed] Probing into this 13,000 year old silt at the atomic level, finding high levels of, guess what, Iridium, spawned a continent wide search for similar finding combing the suspected extinction layer for E.T. evidence. As they had hoped, elevated levels of Iridium turned up at other sites across the continent. Knowing that this one finding was inconclusive since concentrations of this element are known to happen in more conventional ways, the study was referred to Dr LuAnn Becker, a geochemist and an authority on the cosmic chemistry of trace elements involved in these cataclysmic events. Looking for nano sized traces of star dust, she found fullerenes, thought to have formed in the explosion of rare carbon stars, with cosmic HE3 trapped inside. Becker is among a group who surmise that these have arrived on earth by hitching rides on comets or asteroids. Though many experts remain skeptical of the validity of the emerging science related to buckeye balls another problem relates to the lack of a crater dating to that time. ICE, however, makes a marvelous mask and might explain the absence of traces of a 13,000 year old crater which, enormous if it were capable of wiping out human and animal populations across a continent, remains too subtle to be recognized by our current technology. Subsequent portions of the show dramatize the perfect impact point where most damage might be wrought concluding with the Nuc. winter as confirmed by dramatic climate change over the next 400 years. Anywho, I hope somebody gets to take in the show and set it to rest as a possible scenario or comments on it. Forgive my longwinded attempt to capsulate the show. I haven't done it justice at any rate. P.S. did anyone get to see any meteors early
Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments
Sterling, List, Well, soot HAS been a problem for some people. I believe the first identified occupational cancer was scrotal cancer in young chimney sweeps. Bucky Balls indeed! John Kashuba Ontario, California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sterling K. Webb Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 8:22 PM To: Meteorite Mailing List Cc: tracy latimer Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments Hi, Jerry, List, Though many experts remain skeptical of the validity of the emerging science related to buckeye balls ... At first, it was claimed that buckeyballs could only be formed in extreme conditions, such as are found in a major impact. Then we discovered that they can be formed at low temperatures and pressures by different means (they're in candle soot). They can still be formed in extremes, though. On Earth, they can be formed by lightning and are found in the mineral shungite. However, the finding of Helium-3 inside a Bucky Ball is a different matter. Helium (all isotopes) is not exactly common on Earth, and the terrestrial atmospheric ratio of He-3 to He-4 is one atom of He-3 to 1,380,000 atoms of He-4. In mantle rocks, the ratio is 200 parts of He-3 to a million parts of He-4, or one to 5000. The extraterrestrial or cosmic abundances of He-3 to He-4 is much higher than any terrestrial ratios. In lunar regolith, the ratio is one to 2800. So, if you find a detectable amount of He-3 in a Bucky Ball, that Bucky Ball was likely made from materials from off-planet, not local stuff. BB + He3 = Rocks From Space, or ice from space, or dust from space, pick your catastrophe. (In defense, supernova debris should be rotten with every kind of buckeyballs...) A fullerene is a trivalent convex polyhedron with pentagonal and hexagonal faces. The simplest Buckminsterfullerene is Carbon-60, of which there are 1812 non-isomorphic varieties. Other common Buckminsterfullerenes are Carbon-70 and 76 and 84, and even 100 is pretty common. There are also boron Buckminsterfullerenes, and there's probably no reason other tri-valent atoms can't have some fun, too. A simple Carbon-60 Buckminsterfullerene is about 0.7 nanometers across. Don't touch'em or breathe'em, as they can enter human flesh easily but seem to have a heck of time trying to leave, though. This has caused the tremulous to flap about health hazards, but humanity has had a long-term exposure to materials rich in fullerenes (soot was everywhere) and trouble would have shown up long ago, if there were trouble... And last, and certainly least, The Bucky Ball is the State Molecule of Texas! Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]; tracy latimer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments Another NAME mentioned in the NG is geologist Allen West whose search for telltale micrometeorites in Mamm. tusks led him to a warehouse outside of Calgary, Canada Fossils. Ageing the tusks, after locating several with multiple metal fragments and following this up with a similarly pelted giant bison, radio carbon dating being as imprecise as IT is, something else serendipitously intervened to nail down the time! The bones of a Clovis era horse, packed with silt, were found IN the Extinction layer[the level just below the Black Mats which mark the ceiling of the of the NA Mega fauna extinction event [yet to be confirmed] Probing into this 13,000 year old silt at the atomic level, finding high levels of, guess what, Iridium, spawned a continent wide search for similar finding combing the suspected extinction layer for E.T. evidence. As they had hoped, elevated levels of Iridium turned up at other sites across the continent. Knowing that this one finding was inconclusive since concentrations of this element are known to happen in more conventional ways, the study was referred to Dr LuAnn Becker, a geochemist and an authority on the cosmic chemistry of trace elements involved in these cataclysmic events. Looking for nano sized traces of star dust, she found fullerenes, thought to have formed in the explosion of rare carbon stars, with cosmic HE3 trapped inside. Becker is among a group who surmise that these have arrived on earth by hitching rides on comets or asteroids. Though many experts remain skeptical of the validity of the emerging science related to buckeye balls another problem relates to the lack of a crater dating to that time. ICE, however, makes a marvelous mask and might explain the absence of traces of a 13,000 year old crater which, enormous if it were capable of wiping out human and animal populations across a continent, remains too subtle
