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"To a mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders" ~ Chang Tsu "To me every hour of the light and dark is a miracle. Every cubic inch of space is a miracle" ~ Walt Whitman Cheers John IMCA # 2125 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Meteorites USA Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 7:37 PM To: Melanie Matthews; Meteorite-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Most expensive meteorites! Hi Melanie, I'm sure Ed is a good guy, and certainly wasn't referring to him as a meteorite monger. ;) Only those who would deny the public access to meteorites are meteorite mongers. However that doesn't change my opinion of the logic of his opinion. You mention in your signature that you eat, sleep and breathe meteorites 24/7. So do I, just as many others on this list. I think I can say with agreement from everyone, that meteorites are the coolest rocks on the planet. I simply believe we should share that with everyone on the planet! Who are we to obstruct the progression of knowledge? Eric On 8/10/2010 5:31 PM, Melanie Matthews wrote: > Ed Majden and I are actually neighbors, I have been to his home a few > times and had some good looks at his meteorite collection. He is a > good man and not monger. Think he has a misinterpretation on things. > > > --- > -Melanie > IMCA: 2975 > eBay: metmel2775 > Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 > > I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. > > > > - Original Message > From: Meteorites USA > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 5:08:48 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Most expensive meteorites! > > Though Ed is entitled to his opinion, I must disagree. Perhaps I > misunderstand what he meant, and hope he's joking... > > Ed, Your logic seems to be that collectors only collect because they > are selfish, greedy people with a "my meteorite is bigger and better" > mentality. On the contrary, meteorite collectors are some of the most > generous and knowledgeable people I've ever met. Your statement says > nothing about, and ignores "why" meteorite collectors collect > meteorites at all. > > Did it ever occur to you that collectors might collect because > meteorites are intrinsically and historically interesting!? Or that > collectors collect because they actually like the feeling it gives > them to hold in their hand a rock older than the Earth!? Your > statement also implies that private collectors should have no right to > collect at all, is very clinical and unemotional to say meteorites > should be about the science only. It's a damn good thing the world > ain't run by people like that think this way. It's would be one > helluva boring place! I hope you are not one of those that would see > every meteorite on the planet in inaccessible collections, sitting in > backroom/laboratory specimen drawers that never see the light of day, > instead of letting the public enjoy them. This type of mentality is > selfish, egotistical and a controlling travesty we have to deal with > in this business. People that look down on others because they enjoy > something, and try to control the access to meteorites by hoarding > them in huge collections that the public does not have ready access > to, are meteorite mongers in my opinion. No offense... > > Collectors want to share the enjoyment of meteorite collecting by > buying, selling, collecting, trading, sharing photos, and studying > meteorites on their own and with like minded individuals within this > great community. You know how many private collectors have microscopes > sitting in their homes? Almost every collector I know does. Collectors > study, admire, and collect meteorites not because they are "bigger and > better" than the next guys, not even entirely because they are rare. > > We collect meteorites because of how it makes us feel. The awe > inspiring feeling of smallness in the universe. It makes us feel that > we have a connection to the universe, a sense of uncommon knowledge of > something much bigger than ourselves. Meteorites fill great and > mysterious voids with knowledge and information about our universe and > ultimately ourselves. It's about something that is much more important > than us. To be able to walk to your collection display and pull out a > specimen of the material that built our solar system and the planets, > that is why we collect. Collectors share this experience of joy and > wonder with other collectors and the public through their own > galleries and mini-museum collections which pay homage to the
Re: [meteorite-list] Most expensive meteorites!
Hi Melanie, I'm sure Ed is a good guy, and certainly wasn't referring to him as a meteorite monger. ;) Only those who would deny the public access to meteorites are meteorite mongers. However that doesn't change my opinion of the logic of his opinion. You mention in your signature that you eat, sleep and breathe meteorites 24/7. So do I, just as many others on this list. I think I can say with agreement from everyone, that meteorites are the coolest rocks on the planet. I simply believe we should share that with everyone on the planet! Who are we to obstruct the progression of knowledge? Eric On 8/10/2010 5:31 PM, Melanie Matthews wrote: Ed Majden and I are actually neighbors, I have been to his home a few times and had some good looks at his meteorite collection. He is a good man and not monger. Think he has a misinterpretation on things. --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. - Original Message From: Meteorites USA To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 5:08:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Most expensive meteorites! Though Ed is entitled to his opinion, I must disagree. Perhaps I misunderstand what he meant, and hope he's joking... Ed, Your logic seems to be that collectors only collect because they are selfish, greedy people with a "my meteorite is bigger and better" mentality. On the contrary, meteorite collectors are some of the most generous and knowledgeable people I've ever met. Your statement says nothing about, and ignores "why" meteorite collectors collect meteorites at all. Did it ever occur to you that collectors might collect because meteorites are intrinsically and historically interesting!? Or that collectors collect because they actually like the feeling it gives them to hold in their hand a rock older than the Earth!? Your statement also implies that private collectors should have no right to collect at all, is very clinical and unemotional to say meteorites should be about the science only. It's a damn good thing the world ain't run by people like that think this way. It's would be one helluva boring place! I hope you are not one of those that would see every meteorite on the planet in inaccessible collections, sitting in backroom/laboratory specimen drawers that never see the light of day, instead of letting the public enjoy them. This type of mentality is selfish, egotistical and a controlling travesty we have to deal with in this business. People that look down on others because they enjoy something, and try to control the access to meteorites by hoarding them in huge collections that the public does not have ready access to, are meteorite mongers in my opinion. No offense... Collectors want to share the enjoyment of meteorite collecting by buying, selling, collecting, trading, sharing photos, and studying meteorites on their own and with like minded individuals within this great community. You know how many private collectors have microscopes sitting in their homes? Almost every collector I know does. Collectors study, admire, and collect meteorites not because they are "bigger and better" than the next guys, not even entirely because they are rare. We collect meteorites because of how it makes us feel. The awe inspiring feeling of smallness in the universe. It makes us feel that we have a connection to the universe, a sense of uncommon knowledge of something much bigger than ourselves. Meteorites fill great and mysterious voids with knowledge and information about our universe and ultimately ourselves. It's about something that is much more important than us. To be able to walk to your collection display and pull out a specimen of the material that built our solar system and the planets, that is why we collect. Collectors share this experience of joy and wonder with other collectors and the public through their own galleries and mini-museum collections which pay homage to the greatness of some of the worlds finest collections of meteorites. We need to share that feeling with everyone! Besides all that. Meteorites are the COOLEST rocks on the planet! Regards, Eric On 8/10/2010 2:28 PM, Ed Majden wrote: This confirms my impression of collectors! They are NUTS! I don't single out meteorite collectors but all collectors. Let us look at art as an example. If a painting by a famous artist sells for big bucks and later it turns out to be a fake it is nearly worthless again. It has nothing to do with the quality of the painting but who actually is the so called famous painter. The Ottawa art community, government, if I recall correctly paid big bucks for three stripes painted on a couple of sheets of plywood. Several people said they would duplicate this so called famous painting at a fraction of the cost, but there were no
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To ad: I apologize if my words regarding the painting were harsh.. Just that personally, I wouldn't put out big bucks for such simple artwork unless someone who is dear and close to me, did it at a very young age (or my pet dog). However, I'm a lot more interested in meteorites than I am art - even though I'm an artist myself. --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. - Original Message From: Meteorites USA To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 5:08:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Most expensive meteorites! Though Ed is entitled to his opinion, I must disagree. Perhaps I misunderstand what he meant, and hope he's joking... Ed, Your logic seems to be that collectors only collect because they are selfish, greedy people with a "my meteorite is bigger and better" mentality. On the contrary, meteorite collectors are some of the most generous and knowledgeable people I've ever met. Your statement says nothing about, and ignores "why" meteorite collectors collect meteorites at all. Did it ever occur to you that collectors might collect because meteorites are intrinsically and historically interesting!? Or that collectors collect because they actually like the feeling it gives them to hold in their hand a rock older than the Earth!? Your statement also implies that private collectors should have no right to collect at all, is very clinical and unemotional to say meteorites should be about the science only. It's a damn good thing the world ain't run by people like that think this way. It's would be one helluva boring place! I hope you are not one of those that would see every meteorite on the planet in inaccessible collections, sitting in backroom/laboratory specimen drawers that never see the light of day, instead of letting the public enjoy them. This type of mentality is selfish, egotistical and a controlling travesty we have to deal with in this business. People that look down on others because they enjoy something, and try to control the access to meteorites by hoarding them in huge collections that the public does not have ready access to, are meteorite mongers in my opinion. No offense... Collectors want to share the enjoyment of meteorite collecting by buying, selling, collecting, trading, sharing photos, and studying meteorites on their own and with like minded individuals within this great community. You know how many private collectors have microscopes sitting in their homes? Almost every collector I know does. Collectors study, admire, and collect meteorites not because they are "bigger and better" than the next guys, not even entirely because they are rare. We collect meteorites because of how it makes us feel. The awe inspiring feeling of smallness in the universe. It makes us feel that we have a connection to the universe, a sense of uncommon knowledge of something much bigger than ourselves. Meteorites fill great and mysterious voids with knowledge and information about our universe and ultimately ourselves. It's about something that is much more important than us. To be able to walk to your collection display and pull out a specimen of the material that built our solar system and the planets, that is why we collect. Collectors share this experience of joy and wonder with other collectors and the public through their own galleries and mini-museum collections which pay homage to the greatness of some of the worlds finest collections of meteorites. We need to share that feeling with everyone! Besides all that. Meteorites are the COOLEST rocks on the planet! Regards, Eric On 8/10/2010 2:28 PM, Ed Majden wrote: > This confirms my impression of collectors! They are NUTS! I don't > single >out meteorite collectors but all collectors. Let us look at art as an >example. >If a painting by a famous artist sells for big bucks and later it turns out to >be a fake it is nearly worthless again. It has nothing to do with the quality >of the painting but who actually is the so called famous painter. The Ottawa >art community, government, if I recall correctly paid big bucks for three >stripes painted on a couple of sheets of plywood. Several people said they >would duplicate this so called famous painting at a fraction of the cost, but >there were no takers. Collectors and their vanity proves they are all NUTS! >I >have something you don't have! ;-) Meteorites should be about what they do >for >science and Not scarcity! > Ed Majden > Courtenay B.C.__ > Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteori
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Ed Majden and I are actually neighbors, I have been to his home a few times and had some good looks at his meteorite collection. He is a good man and not monger. Think he has a misinterpretation on things. --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. - Original Message From: Meteorites USA To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 5:08:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Most expensive meteorites! Though Ed is entitled to his opinion, I must disagree. Perhaps I misunderstand what he meant, and hope he's joking... Ed, Your logic seems to be that collectors only collect because they are selfish, greedy people with a "my meteorite is bigger and better" mentality. On the contrary, meteorite collectors are some of the most generous and knowledgeable people I've ever met. Your statement says nothing about, and ignores "why" meteorite collectors collect meteorites at all. Did it ever occur to you that collectors might collect because meteorites are intrinsically and historically interesting!? Or that collectors collect because they actually like the feeling it gives them to hold in their hand a rock older than the Earth!? Your statement also implies that private collectors should have no right to collect at all, is very clinical and unemotional to say meteorites should be about the science only. It's a damn good thing the world ain't run by people like that think this way. It's would be one helluva boring place! I hope you are not one of those that would see every meteorite on the planet in inaccessible collections, sitting in backroom/laboratory specimen drawers that never see the light of day, instead of letting the public enjoy them. This type of mentality is selfish, egotistical and a controlling travesty we have to deal with in this business. People that look down on others because they enjoy something, and try to control the access to meteorites by hoarding them in huge collections that the public does not have ready access to, are meteorite mongers in my opinion. No offense... Collectors want to share the enjoyment of meteorite collecting by buying, selling, collecting, trading, sharing photos, and studying meteorites on their own and with like minded individuals within this great community. You know how many private collectors have microscopes sitting in their homes? Almost every collector I know does. Collectors study, admire, and collect meteorites not because they are "bigger and better" than the next guys, not even entirely because they are rare. We collect meteorites because of how it makes us feel. The awe inspiring feeling of smallness in the universe. It makes us feel that we have a connection to the universe, a sense of uncommon knowledge of something much bigger than ourselves. Meteorites fill great and mysterious voids with knowledge and information about our universe and ultimately ourselves. It's about something that is much more important than us. To be able to walk to your collection display and pull out a specimen of the material that built our solar system and the planets, that is why we collect. Collectors share this experience of joy and wonder with other collectors and the public through their own galleries and mini-museum collections which pay homage to the greatness of some of the worlds finest collections of meteorites. We need to share that feeling with everyone! Besides all that. Meteorites are the COOLEST rocks on the planet! Regards, Eric On 8/10/2010 2:28 PM, Ed Majden wrote: > This confirms my impression of collectors! They are NUTS! I don't > single >out meteorite collectors but all collectors. Let us look at art as an >example. >If a painting by a famous artist sells for big bucks and later it turns out to >be a fake it is nearly worthless again. It has nothing to do with the quality >of the painting but who actually is the so called famous painter. The Ottawa >art community, government, if I recall correctly paid big bucks for three >stripes painted on a couple of sheets of plywood. Several people said they >would duplicate this so called famous painting at a fraction of the cost, but >there were no takers. Collectors and their vanity proves they are all NUTS! >I >have something you don't have! ;-) Meteorites should be about what they do >for >science and Not scarcity! > Ed Majden > Courtenay B.C.__ > Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://
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Though Ed is entitled to his opinion, I must disagree. Perhaps I misunderstand what he meant, and hope he's joking... Ed, Your logic seems to be that collectors only collect because they are selfish, greedy people with a "my meteorite is bigger and better" mentality. On the contrary, meteorite collectors are some of the most generous and knowledgeable people I've ever met. Your statement says nothing about, and ignores "why" meteorite collectors collect meteorites at all. Did it ever occur to you that collectors might collect because meteorites are intrinsically and historically interesting!? Or that collectors collect because they actually like the feeling it gives them to hold in their hand a rock older than the Earth!? Your statement also implies that private collectors should have no right to collect at all, is very clinical and unemotional to say meteorites should be about the science only. It's a damn good thing the world ain't run by people like that think this way. It's would be one helluva boring place! I hope you are not one of those that would see every meteorite on the planet in inaccessible collections, sitting in backroom/laboratory specimen drawers that never see the light of day, instead of letting the public enjoy them. This type of mentality is selfish, egotistical and a controlling travesty we have to deal with in this business. People that look down on others because they enjoy something, and try to control the access to meteorites by hoarding them in huge collections that the public does not have ready access to, are meteorite mongers in my opinion. No offense... Collectors want to share the enjoyment of meteorite collecting by buying, selling, collecting, trading, sharing photos, and studying meteorites on their own and with like minded individuals within this great community. You know how many private collectors have microscopes sitting in their homes? Almost every collector I know does. Collectors study, admire, and collect meteorites not because they are "bigger and better" than the next guys, not even entirely because they are rare. We collect meteorites because of how it makes us feel. The awe inspiring feeling of smallness in the universe. It makes us feel that we have a connection to the universe, a sense of uncommon knowledge of something much bigger than ourselves. Meteorites fill great and mysterious voids with knowledge and information about our universe and ultimately ourselves. It's about something that is much more important than us. To be able to walk to your collection display and pull out a specimen of the material that built our solar system and the planets, that is why we collect. Collectors share this experience of joy and wonder with other collectors and the public through their own galleries and mini-museum collections which pay homage to the greatness of some of the worlds finest collections of meteorites. We need to share that feeling with everyone! Besides all that. Meteorites are the COOLEST rocks on the planet! Regards, Eric On 8/10/2010 2:28 PM, Ed Majden wrote: This confirms my impression of collectors! They are NUTS! I don't single out meteorite collectors but all collectors. Let us look at art as an example. If a painting by a famous artist sells for big bucks and later it turns out to be a fake it is nearly worthless again. It has nothing to do with the quality of the painting but who actually is the so called famous painter. The Ottawa art community, government, if I recall correctly paid big bucks for three stripes painted on a couple of sheets of plywood. Several people said they would duplicate this so called famous painting at a fraction of the cost, but there were no takers. Collectors and their vanity proves they are all NUTS! I have something you don't have! ;-) Meteorites should be about what they do for science and Not scarcity! Ed Majden Courtenay B.C.__ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Ed says, referring to all collectors, "They are NUTS!" Most critics of the prices paid for art probably don't have an understanding of what drives the value. Pieces created by an artist are meant to open a dialogue with those who view the work. The artist is making a statement using whatever medium he wishes. He hopes the viewer will understand what he has said. If initially successful, the artist continues to make works, as if having an ongoing conversation with his audience. If continually successful in inspiring and reaching his viewers with what he has to say, his work takes on importance and desirability, ergo value. All the other factors...a great technique, small output, uniqueness, and the death of the artist...also drive the price. There are so many art genres..and some, like minimalism and conceptualism, use the simplest of mediums and objects to carry the artist's message. Ed's painted stripes on plywood for example. They mean nothing to Ed because he hasn't any familiarity with the ouvre of this artist. This doesn't make Ed ignorant. It's actually a failure on the part of the artist. But, for those that "get it" it's the successful conversation represented by this whole body of work that drives the price. There are no limits to art. And much of what we see in other objects that provokes an emotional, or thoughtful. response is really art. This applies to meteorites. They speak to us in the language of creation. Their individual appearance is unpredictable and many times beautiful. Our curiosity drives us to analyze them with one revelation leading to another in a continuing conversation. Our response to this intimacy is to desire and value them. Some would say we are "NUTS". Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: Ed Majden >Sent: Aug 10, 2010 5:28 PM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: [meteorite-list] Most expensive meteorites! > > This confirms my impression of collectors! They are NUTS! I don't >single out meteorite collectors but all collectors. Let us look at >art as an example. If a painting by a famous artist sells for big >bucks and later it turns out to be a fake it is nearly worthless >again. It has nothing to do with the quality of the painting but who >actually is the so called famous painter. The Ottawa art community, >government, if I recall correctly paid big bucks for three stripes >painted on a couple of sheets of plywood. Several people said they >would duplicate this so called famous painting at a fraction of the >cost, but there were no takers. Collectors and their vanity proves >they are all NUTS! I have something you don't have! ;-) Meteorites >should be about what they do for science and Not scarcity! >Ed Majden >Courtenay B.C. >__ >Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Sorry, off topic.. What Ed mentioned about a piece of wood with some stripes painted on it, selling for big bucks... I think that's just stupid - original piece of 'work' or not.. What the hell? --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. - Original Message From: Thunder Stone To: epmaj...@shaw.ca; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 3:49:54 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Most expensive meteorites! Ed: I actually mis-interpreted your post... I think. I meteorite is valuable because of its uniqueness; for example, If it is oriented, is a fall (very fresh), hits an object (a hammer) or is a rare composition. If an ordinary chondrite hits an animal (or person) then it will be more desirable and the value will increase. But remember, the mineral content may be very common for meteorites. So there are many reasons different meteorite have different values. Now to your art – the value of art is not simply how it looks but whom and under what circumstances it is produced. Have you seen drawings by John Lennon… well let’s just say he is no Leonardo da Vinci, but they are very valuable. This has always driven me nuts because I’ve done art myself. Art is not just a visual object, but the “process of creating something which many believe is of high value or of cultural importance.” Greg S. > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > From: epmaj...@shaw.ca > Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:28:49 -0700 > Subject: [meteorite-list] Most expensive meteorites! > > This confirms my impression of collectors! They are NUTS! I don't > single out meteorite collectors but all collectors. Let us look at > art as an example. If a painting by a famous artist sells for big > bucks and later it turns out to be a fake it is nearly worthless > again. It has nothing to do with the quality of the painting but who > actually is the so called famous painter. The Ottawa art community, > government, if I recall correctly paid big bucks for three stripes > painted on a couple of sheets of plywood. Several people said they > would duplicate this so called famous painting at a fraction of the > cost, but there were no takers. Collectors and their vanity proves > they are all NUTS! I have something you don't have! ;-) Meteorites > should be about what they do for science and Not scarcity! > Ed Majden > Courtenay B.C. > __ > Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Ed and List, I don't think collectors are all nuts, just showing a passion for exceedingly interesting objects. The price of fine art has plummeted, more so than the price of housing or meteorites. There comes a point when the history of an object becomes over-hyped and cannot maintain its value long-term. Many large auction houses' reputations are not what they used to be, they got caught over hyping among other things. Meteorites are no different. I think a good history should increase the price, but not a 100 times like we often see in meteorites. This is precisely why I do not collect falls any more unless they fill a type gap in my collection. An ordinary chondrite with a great history may sell for over $1,000.00/gram but will not hold this value for very long. If two pieces come up for sale at the same time, the price will drop in half as the market is too thin to support these prices. Pricing of planetary pieces is not as vulnerable to hype and volume doesn't' seem to affect the pricing as much. They have maintained there value throughout this tough recession with some increasing in price as the supply thins out. One comment that Anne made bothers me: ** Yes, Martians and Lunars are still high priced now, but not at all as high as they were, and it is still a novelty thing. Some day people will realize that they are not rare any more. Just look at the Met Bulletin: *** My response is that Lunar and Martian meteorites are millions of times rarer than diamonds and are far more than just novelties. Ask any meteoritist and they will tell you the same. The price of planetary meteorites corrected four years ago in consideration of the additional weight being found. Even with this correction, they are still higher than any other type for the volume sold. They do not need history hype in order to increase the value which has been remarkably stable during a downturn in the economy. Imagine if a lunar meteorite was witnessed as a fall. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Ed: I actually mis-interpreted your post... I think. I meteorite is valuable because of its uniqueness; for example, If it is oriented, is a fall (very fresh), hits an object (a hammer) or is a rare composition. If an ordinary chondrite hits an animal (or person) then it will be more desirable and the value will increase. But remember, the mineral content may be very common for meteorites. So there are many reasons different meteorite have different values. Now to your art – the value of art is not simply how it looks but whom and under what circumstances it is produced. Have you seen drawings by John Lennon… well let’s just say he is no Leonardo da Vinci, but they are very valuable. This has always driven me nuts because I’ve done art myself. Art is not just a visual object, but the “process of creating something which many believe is of high value or of cultural importance.” Greg S. > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > From: epmaj...@shaw.ca > Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:28:49 -0700 > Subject: [meteorite-list] Most expensive meteorites! > > This confirms my impression of collectors! They are NUTS! I don't > single out meteorite collectors but all collectors. Let us look at > art as an example. If a painting by a famous artist sells for big > bucks and later it turns out to be a fake it is nearly worthless > again. It has nothing to do with the quality of the painting but who > actually is the so called famous painter. The Ottawa art community, > government, if I recall correctly paid big bucks for three stripes > painted on a couple of sheets of plywood. Several people said they > would duplicate this so called famous painting at a fraction of the > cost, but there were no takers. Collectors and their vanity proves > they are all NUTS! I have something you don't have! ;-) Meteorites > should be about what they do for science and Not scarcity! > Ed Majden > Courtenay B.C. > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Most expensive meteorites!
Well Ed, at least the quality of a meteorite is mainly defined by hard physical and measurable criteria in standardized processes. Take the NWAs which as orphans all are relatively uncontaminated by terrestrial history, anecdotes, fashions, interpretations. There you'll find, that a W0 or W1 fresh H5 always will be paid better than a W3 or W4 H5, that an eucrite is better paid then an ordinary chondrite and so on. Of course, they aren't free from fashions too. With the Allende and Murchison jubilee years e.g. there came a higher demand for carbonaceous ones. With all the space missions to and around Mars, Martians are again very popular. And of course aesthetic aspects partially are also taken in consideration, if a collector evaluates a meteorite. In as far, I think, there are other criteria ruling in price-finding in meteoritics than in arts. With meteorites with names instead of numbers, I think it's roughly the same as with stamp collectors (stamps are in principle colourful pictures on paper). There the main criterion is (not the rareness, but) the availability. And then we have fashions. Hammers e.g., new falls with big media attention, irons with holes, specimens of a certain pedigree, or on a smaller scale, meteorites which certain properties, which are topic of actual discussions in fora, articles ect. - these fashions indeed are often very variable. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Ed Majden Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. August 2010 23:29 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Most expensive meteorites! This confirms my impression of collectors! They are NUTS! I don't single out meteorite collectors but all collectors. Let us look at art as an example. If a painting by a famous artist sells for big bucks and later it turns out to be a fake it is nearly worthless again. It has nothing to do with the quality of the painting but who actually is the so called famous painter. The Ottawa art community, government, if I recall correctly paid big bucks for three stripes painted on a couple of sheets of plywood. Several people said they would duplicate this so called famous painting at a fraction of the cost, but there were no takers. Collectors and their vanity proves they are all NUTS! I have something you don't have! ;-) Meteorites should be about what they do for science and Not scarcity! Ed Majden Courtenay B.C. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
