Re: [meteorite-list] OT - Gold Hoard Found in England
Hello All who commented on the Gold Hoard, I appreciate all of the comments and contributions of British law regarding this find, and others. From what I have heard of past British finds and of this one, I look forward to hearing of the finder and property owner's payday, which I am sure will be the case. Britain does seem to have their laws tailored to be the advantage to all involved, everyone benefits! I agree that the treasure should go to the museums, but also strongly believe that the finder needs to be fairly compensated for their efforts and private funds to conduct such hunts. Without the private sector spending untold millions of dollars per year in search of treasure and other items throughout the world, there would be much less cultural and historic items to be shared with the world. Sadly, in many cases, we hear of countries legally 'stealing' (as Dean commented) private hunters finds. These countries and their broad-reaching laws create the black market instead of penning fair laws which benefit everyone. If anyone goes to view these items, I would like to see some photos if possible. That, or if a web site is created, please send a link. Thanks! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net To: dean bessey deanbes...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT - Gold Hoard Found in England Dean, The old English Common Law is that a Tresure Trove is buried gold or silver that was being hidden or banked and was meant to be recovered later and is presumed to be so old that the owner and any known desecendents are dead. It becomes the property of the Crown, just as abandoned bank accounts become the property of the state unless claimed by the owner or an heir. Just finding it is not enough to claim it. (Scotland and Wales have their own common law provisions.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treasure_trove#United_Kingdom details the Treasure Act of 1996, which generously broadens and re-defines legal treasure as the property of the Crown. If the treasure is to be transferred to a museum (as this will) the Secretary of State is required to determine whether a reward should be paid by the museum before the transfer to the finder or any other person involved in the finding of the treasure, the occupier of the land at the time of the find, or any person who had an interest in the land at the time of the find or has had such an interest at any time since then. If the Secretary of State determines that a reward should be paid, he or she must also determine the market value of the treasure (assisted by the Treasure Valuation Committee), the amount of the reward (which cannot exceed the market value), to whom the reward should be paid and, if more than one person should be paid, how much each person should receive. For example, the huge find at Sutton Hoo was NOT a treasure trove because there was no intention to recover it -- they were grave goods. In March 1973, a hoard of 7,811 Roman coins was found buried in a field at Coleby in Lincolnshire. It was made up of antoniniani believed to have been minted between 253 and 281 A.D. The Court of Appeal of England and Wales held in the 1981 case of Attorney-General of the Duchy of Lancaster v. G.E. Overton (Farms) Ltd. that the hoard was not treasure trove as the coins did not have a substantial silver content. Thus, it belonged to the owner of the field... (Note: the antoniniani was originally a silver coin valued at two denarii but with only 1.5 denarii worth of silver in it; the rest was bronze. It was inflation money. The Empire kept adding more bronze in place of silver until it was worthless. But if you find 7800 of 'em, let me know.) One hopes that the reward intentions of the Crown are generous, but there seem to be no guarantees in the law. There don't seem to be bones with this treasure, so the finders can't argue that it was, like Sutton Hoo, grave goods. It seems to be a clear-cut case of hoard. I suspect the general elation over the find will incline government to reward the finders. Failure to do so would incline future finders to loot sites and that's the last thing they want. On the black market, this find would be evaluated at a worth of tens of millions. Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: dean bessey deanbes...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT - Gold Hoard Found in England Well, I am not that up on british law and maybe there is a british legal clause that the guys
Re: [meteorite-list] OT - Gold Hoard Found in England
Photos of the Gold Hoard: http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/09/24/staffordshire.uk.gold.hoard/index.html#cnnSTCPhoto Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net To: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; dean bessey deanbes...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT - Gold Hoard Found in England Hello All who commented on the Gold Hoard, I appreciate all of the comments and contributions of British law regarding this find, and others. From what I have heard of past British finds and of this one, I look forward to hearing of the finder and property owner's payday, which I am sure will be the case. Britain does seem to have their laws tailored to be the advantage to all involved, everyone benefits! I agree that the treasure should go to the museums, but also strongly believe that the finder needs to be fairly compensated for their efforts and private funds to conduct such hunts. Without the private sector spending untold millions of dollars per year in search of treasure and other items throughout the world, there would be much less cultural and historic items to be shared with the world. Sadly, in many cases, we hear of countries legally 'stealing' (as Dean commented) private hunters finds. These countries and their broad-reaching laws create the black market instead of penning fair laws which benefit everyone. If anyone goes to view these items, I would like to see some photos if possible. That, or if a web site is created, please send a link. Thanks! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net To: dean bessey deanbes...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT - Gold Hoard Found in England Dean, The old English Common Law is that a Tresure Trove is buried gold or silver that was being hidden or banked and was meant to be recovered later and is presumed to be so old that the owner and any known desecendents are dead. It becomes the property of the Crown, just as abandoned bank accounts become the property of the state unless claimed by the owner or an heir. Just finding it is not enough to claim it. (Scotland and Wales have their own common law provisions.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treasure_trove#United_Kingdom details the Treasure Act of 1996, which generously broadens and re-defines legal treasure as the property of the Crown. If the treasure is to be transferred to a museum (as this will) the Secretary of State is required to determine whether a reward should be paid by the museum before the transfer to the finder or any other person involved in the finding of the treasure, the occupier of the land at the time of the find, or any person who had an interest in the land at the time of the find or has had such an interest at any time since then. If the Secretary of State determines that a reward should be paid, he or she must also determine the market value of the treasure (assisted by the Treasure Valuation Committee), the amount of the reward (which cannot exceed the market value), to whom the reward should be paid and, if more than one person should be paid, how much each person should receive. For example, the huge find at Sutton Hoo was NOT a treasure trove because there was no intention to recover it -- they were grave goods. In March 1973, a hoard of 7,811 Roman coins was found buried in a field at Coleby in Lincolnshire. It was made up of antoniniani believed to have been minted between 253 and 281 A.D. The Court of Appeal of England and Wales held in the 1981 case of Attorney-General of the Duchy of Lancaster v. G.E. Overton (Farms) Ltd. that the hoard was not treasure trove as the coins did not have a substantial silver content. Thus, it belonged to the owner of the field... (Note: the antoniniani was originally a silver coin valued at two denarii but with only 1.5 denarii worth of silver in it; the rest was bronze. It was inflation money. The Empire kept adding more bronze in place of silver until it was worthless. But if you find 7800 of 'em, let me know.) One hopes that the reward intentions of the Crown are generous, but there seem to be no guarantees in the law. There don't seem to be bones with this treasure, so the finders can't argue that it was, like Sutton Hoo, grave goods. It seems to be a clear-cut case of hoard. I suspect the general elation over the find will incline government to reward the finders. Failure to do so would incline future finders to loot sites and that's the last thing
Re: [meteorite-list] OT - Gold Hoard Found in England
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Re: [meteorite-list] OT - Gold Hoard Found in England
From: Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net think also that the true story is all about good luck and the willingness to get permission and agreements from property owners! It is more than that. It is also an example of common sense historical artifact laws at work. Britain has constructed their artifact laws in such a way that it is in a finders best interest to report all of their findings (It is also illegal to not report your findings but that dont really give you much incentive and wont work anyway). As a result whenever artifact or coin hoards get found in UK everybody who is interested gets to study them and learn as much history as possible from the stash. And the actual finder gets more money for them than if he tried to sell them in secret on the UNESCO black market (Probably has to pay taxes on the sale of the hoard also). Finder, science, general public, government, land owners - everybody wins with british cultural property laws. If this stash of gold was found in Italy, Israel, Egypt or Peru, the site would have been very quickly destroyed behond recognition and reburied (After dark and probably all in one night) to hide any evidence of the sites existance, and the gold melted down, stamped Johnson matthey and (With the governments full blessing) shipped out of the country. Rather than being studied by researchers as this hoard will be, it would have gone on the next fed ex flight out and went directly from the archaeological site to a swiss bank vault. It would have been UNESCO at work Sincerely DEAN __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT - Gold Hoard Found in England
It's also worth pointing out that UK law is generally pretty generous regarding prospecting. If you own the land, anything you find on it belongs to you. The exceptions are Gold and Silver. If you find them, either as mineral deposits or as relics, they are automatically owned by the Crown (read State) This guy may have found this stuff but I doubt very much whether he will see a single penny from his find. I hope he isn't expecting anything other than his name next to a museum exhibit because he's not going to get it. Rob McC --- On Thu, 9/24/09, dean bessey deanbes...@yahoo.com wrote: From: dean bessey deanbes...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT - Gold Hoard Found in England To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 10:46 PM From: Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net think also that the true story is all about good luck and the willingness to get permission and agreements from property owners! It is more than that. It is also an example of common sense historical artifact laws at work. Britain has constructed their artifact laws in such a way that it is in a finders best interest to report all of their findings (It is also illegal to not report your findings but that dont really give you much incentive and wont work anyway). As a result whenever artifact or coin hoards get found in UK everybody who is interested gets to study them and learn as much history as possible from the stash. And the actual finder gets more money for them than if he tried to sell them in secret on the UNESCO black market (Probably has to pay taxes on the sale of the hoard also). Finder, science, general public, government, land owners - everybody wins with british cultural property laws. If this stash of gold was found in Italy, Israel, Egypt or Peru, the site would have been very quickly destroyed behond recognition and reburied (After dark and probably all in one night) to hide any evidence of the sites existance, and the gold melted down, stamped Johnson matthey and (With the governments full blessing) shipped out of the country. Rather than being studied by researchers as this hoard will be, it would have gone on the next fed ex flight out and went directly from the archaeological site to a swiss bank vault. It would have been UNESCO at work Sincerely DEAN __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT - Gold Hoard Found in England
Hi Greg, Dean, All, This amazing hoard was found just a short distance away from me near a place called Brownhills at the side of the A5. Lots of discussion about its value on the news as usual. I think that in this case it will be classed as treasure as it was deliberately hidden ( I think the law is different if it is classed as lost ) and will not belong to the landowner or the finder, so will not be sold but go to the museums. Once valued their will be a reward allocated which in this case will belong to the finder as he got permission to search from the landowner. Apparently he has agreed to share that with the landowner...which only seems fair. I intend to visit the museum in Birmingham over the weekend to see this exciting historical find right on my doorstep. Graham Ensor, UK dean bessey deanbes...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net think also that the true story is all about good luck and the willingness to get permission and agreements from property owners! It is more than that. It is also an example of common sense historical artifact laws at work. Britain has constructed their artifact laws in such a way that it is in a finders best interest to report all of their findings (It is also illegal to not report your findings but that dont really give you much incentive and wont work anyway). As a result whenever artifact or coin hoards get found in UK everybody who is interested gets to study them and learn as much history as possible from the stash. And the actual finder gets more money for them than if he tried to sell them in secret on the UNESCO black market (Probably has to pay taxes on the sale of the hoard also). Finder, science, general public, government, land owners - everybody wins with british cultural property laws. If this stash of gold was found in Italy, Israel, Egypt or Peru, the site would have been very quickly destroyed behond recognition and reburied (After dark and probably all in one night) to hide any evidence of the sites existance, and the gold melted down, stamped Johnson matthey and (With the governments full blessing) shipped out of the country. Rather than being studied by researchers as this hoard will be, it would have gone on the next fed ex flight out and went directly from the archaeological site to a swiss bank vault. It would have been UNESCO at work Sincerely DEAN __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT - Gold Hoard Found in England
Graham, Rob, List, The previous prize hoard of Anglo-Saxon gold was found in a ship burial in Sutton Hoo in 1939. It contained 1,500 grams of gold. News reports say that over 5,000 grams have been removed from a patch of ground with an area only 20 yards long and down to a depth of about 14 inches, intermingled with modern artiffacts. To date 1345 items have been removed and officially declared treasure trove yesterday by the South Staffordshire Coroner, Andrew Haigh, rendering it property of the Crown (I'm quoting The Independent here). The last of the treasures came out of the ground only three weeks ago and none has been cleaned. The still-earth-covered collection is being kept in secure storage at Birmingham Museum and Art Gallery and a selection of the items will be displayed at the museum from today until 13 October. Always willing to speculate, it appears to me that these treasures were buried, presumably by a Mercian monarch or noble, to hide them and that whoever buried them was defeated and unable to re-claim his treasure. This is odd as Mercia was largely an expanding power from the late 500's until decisively defeated by Wessex in 825 AD. This treasure is found in the very secure Mercian heartland yet seems to have been lost because of a Mercian defeat. Scanning through the Kings of Mercia, I have a candidate and a date. In the 600's there was a very strong and successful Mercian King, Penda. After a reign of successful battles against all opponents, Penda was defeated and killed at the Battle of Winwaed by the Northumbrian king Oswiu in 655, ushering a series of failed Mercian kings, a bitter civil war over succession, another defeat by Northumbria, a king that was apparently insane -- things were chaotic until the reign of Æthelbald (716-757). It is my hypothesis that this may be the hoard of Penda, buried for safekeeping before he rode of to fight Oswiu. It is hard to imagine who in Mercia would have a hoard of over 5 kilograms of gold, if not the King himself ! Recall that Penda fought and vanquished many kings and challengers and much of this hoard is booty of war, stripped from the bodies of the defeated. If it is as decribed, a badly churned site, radiocarbon dates will be very mixed. Its value as history is vastly greater than its gold value of $160,000. I suspect that future analysis and study will find many different cultural traditions mixed into this hoard (from all the defeated kingdoms from which it is booty as well as Mercian work). There will likely be cultural and stylistic differences from the Sutton Hoo finds (which have an oddly close affinity to Eastern Sweden). If I could see this stuff tomorrow, I would Google up images of restored Sutton Hoo items for comparison. Rob, as far as it being the property of the Crown...? Well, apart from the provision for treasure troves in the law, it seems to me that it was originally the property of the King of Mercia and as such possessions descend by the succession of the kingship, one must ask who is monarch of Mercia now? That person would seem to be the rightful inheritor... and I believe we know that lady's name. How about that for a Monarchical argument from a Revolutionary Colonial? Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: ensorama...@ntlworld.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT - Gold Hoard Found in England Hi Greg, Dean, All, This amazing hoard was found just a short distance away from me near a place called Brownhills at the side of the A5. Lots of discussion about its value on the news as usual. I think that in this case it will be classed as treasure as it was deliberately hidden ( I think the law is different if it is classed as lost ) and will not belong to the landowner or the finder, so will not be sold but go to the museums. Once valued their will be a reward allocated which in this case will belong to the finder as he got permission to search from the landowner. Apparently he has agreed to share that with the landowner...which only seems fair. I intend to visit the museum in Birmingham over the weekend to see this exciting historical find right on my doorstep. Graham Ensor, UK dean bessey deanbes...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net think also that the true story is all about good luck and the willingness to get permission and agreements from property owners! It is more than that. It is also an example of common sense historical artifact laws at work. Britain has constructed their artifact laws in such a way that it is in a finders best interest to report all of their findings (It is also illegal to not report your findings but that dont really give you much incentive and wont work anyway). As a result whenever artifact or coin hoards get found in UK everybody who is interested gets
Re: [meteorite-list] OT - Gold Hoard Found in England
Well, I am not that up on british law and maybe there is a british legal clause that the guys dont own it. That is however different from what the article says as it clearly says that they will split the proceeds (Not that reporters always get the details right when it comes to value). It is also contrary to what my friends who are coin and artifact dealers have to say about british cultural property laws. Most of them are quite happy with how the british handle things and you never hear stories about how they got screwed by the cultural property department (Compare what people have to say about britain to what they say about canadian cultural property laws for example). Maybe though you are right and that these guys will in fact not get a cent. I am not a lawyer. But I am leaning toward thinking that they will get a fair shake come payoff time. But if I am wrong and these guys do get their loot legally stolen from them by the government you can bet that the next gold stash that is found wont end up being studied and on public display but will discreetly get sent to switzerland shaped as not so small shiney cubes. My bet is that the guys running the cultural property system in britian is smarter than that. Cheers DEAN --- On Thu, 9/24/09, ensorama...@ntlworld.com ensorama...@ntlworld.com wrote: From: ensorama...@ntlworld.com ensorama...@ntlworld.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT - Gold Hoard Found in England To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 3:46 PM Hi Greg, Dean, All, This amazing hoard was found just a short distance away from me near a place called Brownhills at the side of the A5. Lots of discussion about its value on the news as usual. I think that in this case it will be classed as treasure as it was deliberately hidden ( I think the law is different if it is classed as lost ) and will not belong to the landowner or the finder, so will not be sold but go to the museums. Once valued their will be a reward allocated which in this case will belong to the finder as he got permission to search from the landowner. Apparently he has agreed to share that with the landowner...which only seems fair. I intend to visit the museum in Birmingham over the weekend to see this exciting historical find right on my doorstep. Graham Ensor, UK dean bessey deanbes...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net think also that the true story is all about good luck and the willingness to get permission and agreements from property owners! It is more than that. It is also an example of common sense historical artifact laws at work. Britain has constructed their artifact laws in such a way that it is in a finders best interest to report all of their findings (It is also illegal to not report your findings but that dont really give you much incentive and wont work anyway). As a result whenever artifact or coin hoards get found in UK everybody who is interested gets to study them and learn as much history as possible from the stash. And the actual finder gets more money for them than if he tried to sell them in secret on the UNESCO black market (Probably has to pay taxes on the sale of the hoard also). Finder, science, general public, government, land owners - everybody wins with british cultural property laws. If this stash of gold was found in Italy, Israel, Egypt or Peru, the site would have been very quickly destroyed behond recognition and reburied (After dark and probably all in one night) to hide any evidence of the sites existance, and the gold melted down, stamped Johnson matthey and (With the governments full blessing) shipped out of the country. Rather than being studied by researchers as this hoard will be, it would have gone on the next fed ex flight out and went directly from the archaeological site to a swiss bank vault. It would have been UNESCO at work Sincerely DEAN __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT - Gold Hoard Found in England
Dean, The old English Common Law is that a Tresure Trove is buried gold or silver that was being hidden or banked and was meant to be recovered later and is presumed to be so old that the owner and any known desecendents are dead. It becomes the property of the Crown, just as abandoned bank accounts become the property of the state unless claimed by the owner or an heir. Just finding it is not enough to claim it. (Scotland and Wales have their own common law provisions.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treasure_trove#United_Kingdom details the Treasure Act of 1996, which generously broadens and re-defines legal treasure as the property of the Crown. If the treasure is to be transferred to a museum (as this will) the Secretary of State is required to determine whether a reward should be paid by the museum before the transfer to the finder or any other person involved in the finding of the treasure, the occupier of the land at the time of the find, or any person who had an interest in the land at the time of the find or has had such an interest at any time since then. If the Secretary of State determines that a reward should be paid, he or she must also determine the market value of the treasure (assisted by the Treasure Valuation Committee), the amount of the reward (which cannot exceed the market value), to whom the reward should be paid and, if more than one person should be paid, how much each person should receive. For example, the huge find at Sutton Hoo was NOT a treasure trove because there was no intention to recover it -- they were grave goods. In March 1973, a hoard of 7,811 Roman coins was found buried in a field at Coleby in Lincolnshire. It was made up of antoniniani believed to have been minted between 253 and 281 A.D. The Court of Appeal of England and Wales held in the 1981 case of Attorney-General of the Duchy of Lancaster v. G.E. Overton (Farms) Ltd. that the hoard was not treasure trove as the coins did not have a substantial silver content. Thus, it belonged to the owner of the field... (Note: the antoniniani was originally a silver coin valued at two denarii but with only 1.5 denarii worth of silver in it; the rest was bronze. It was inflation money. The Empire kept adding more bronze in place of silver until it was worthless. But if you find 7800 of 'em, let me know.) One hopes that the reward intentions of the Crown are generous, but there seem to be no guarantees in the law. There don't seem to be bones with this treasure, so the finders can't argue that it was, like Sutton Hoo, grave goods. It seems to be a clear-cut case of hoard. I suspect the general elation over the find will incline government to reward the finders. Failure to do so would incline future finders to loot sites and that's the last thing they want. On the black market, this find would be evaluated at a worth of tens of millions. Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: dean bessey deanbes...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT - Gold Hoard Found in England Well, I am not that up on british law and maybe there is a british legal clause that the guys dont own it. That is however different from what the article says as it clearly says that they will split the proceeds (Not that reporters always get the details right when it comes to value). It is also contrary to what my friends who are coin and artifact dealers have to say about british cultural property laws. Most of them are quite happy with how the british handle things and you never hear stories about how they got screwed by the cultural property department (Compare what people have to say about britain to what they say about canadian cultural property laws for example). Maybe though you are right and that these guys will in fact not get a cent. I am not a lawyer. But I am leaning toward thinking that they will get a fair shake come payoff time. But if I am wrong and these guys do get their loot legally stolen from them by the government you can bet that the next gold stash that is found wont end up being studied and on public display but will discreetly get sent to switzerland shaped as not so small shiney cubes. My bet is that the guys running the cultural property system in britian is smarter than that. Cheers DEAN --- On Thu, 9/24/09, ensorama...@ntlworld.com ensorama...@ntlworld.com wrote: From: ensorama...@ntlworld.com ensorama...@ntlworld.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT - Gold Hoard Found in England To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 3:46 PM Hi Greg, Dean, All, This amazing hoard was found just a short distance away from me near a place called Brownhills at the side of the A5. Lots of discussion about its value on the news as usual. I think that in this case it will be classed as treasure
