Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE BESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
Reminds me of the movie Apollo 13 when the media asked the first 7 who was the best astronaut and they all raised their hands. Brian Barnett - Original Message - From: michael cottingham mikew...@gilanet.com To: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List WHO IS THE BESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE? Hello, Yes it would be very difficult to narrow it down. Many, many factors indeed! Michael On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:37 PM, Martin Altmann wrote: Not easy to answer. By weight, by different types, by different finds, by number of pieces, by importance of the finds ?? Does Antarctica count? Seems aside the environmental aspects easier to spot meteorites there (and it's out of competition, cause perhaps less sportmanslike, if you get all paid by public money). And we don't know, who of the Russians found exactly which stone in Oman and elsewhere. I'd guess in our times, it must be one of them. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von michael cottingham Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Juli 2009 03:14 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Question For The List WHO IS THE BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE? Hello, This is a simple question or is it? How do you determine who is the best and most successful meteorite hunter in the world? I am curious? Michael __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE BESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
I think what you say goes for any community. Certainly in the scientific ones. Take Robert Oppenheimer for example, who was director of the Manhattan project. A genius, and a charismatic figure. But he had a real caustic side also. If he felt that a student was asking an elementary question, he would humiliate him or her in front of the other students. But if he took a liking to you, it was completely different. Here was a man who did not win a Nobel prize, yet he supervised several Nobel prize winners. He was a man who was in charge of a billions of dollars worth of spending, but his only prior budgetary experience was at a university Department of Physics. In spite of all his genius and charisma, it was still his caustic side - the failure to treat all people who did not have his intelligence - the newcomers for lack of a better word - that was his downfall. No, I don't think the meteorite community is any different than other types of communities. You have all types of people. Some are more vocal than others. But the true greats - and they are few and far between in any field of endeavor - have the smarts as well as empathy for the people who they deal with - and they are not out to prove anything to anyone. The accomplishments speak louder than the words. Mark Grossman - Original Message - From: GREG LINDH gee...@msn.com To: mar...@westnet.com Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:02 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Question For The List WHO IS THE BESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE? Hi Mark, I don't know whether Bob Haag is the best hunter/collector, but I can tell you that he is the nicest guy you could want to know, and that is a rare thing in the meteorite community. I met him at the Tucson show a couple of years ago and he knew that I was a newbie and that I couldn't even begin to afford the stuff he was selling, but he took *a lot* of his time and just talked and encouraged me. I'll tell you what, that is a *rare* thing to see in this community. Greg From: mar...@westnet.com To: mikew...@gilanet.com Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:13:38 -0400 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List WHO IS THE BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE? Trust me, you don't want to know! I am an industrial hygienist, and the profession has changed so much over the years. It used to be about protecting worker health and safety - now so much of the profession is devoted to mold investigation, asbestos remediation and lead remediation. It frequently comes down to chasing the almighty dollar. Perhaps things will change with the new administration in Washington, but I really don't know. In any event, sorry to go off topic for a moment. Back to business - I am fairly new to the meteorite field, but the name Bob Haag comes to my mind. Whether this is a reasonable choice, I don't know. But this will give you an indication of who new people coming to the hobby think - right or wrong. I will leave it for others on the list to discuss the merits. But when I think of physics, I think Einstein. When I think of Chemistry, I think Lavoisier. Granted, these are deceased. But I feel really strongly about the concept. The great people, whoever they are and in whatever field, just become known by their accomplishments, regardless of any promotion and hype. If it's just promotion and hype, they are soon forgotten, so history becomes the ultimate judge. In any event, thanks for the question! Kind of interesting! Mark - Original Message - From: michael cottingham To: Mark Grossman Cc: Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List WHO IS THE BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE? Hello, I can agree with what you say... I am now actually very curious about who the best mold investigator is though?!! Best Wishes Michael On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:54 PM, Mark Grossman wrote: You have the advantage on me here. But regardless, the concept holds true for whatever field. If you have to ask who is the best, and there is confustion in the particular community, THE best is yet to be determined. Holds true for meteorite hunters as well as any other professionals (in my opinion, that is!) Believe me, if there is a mold investigator who is the best without question, there is - or eventually will be - a meteorite hunter who everyone acknowledges is THE best. Mark - Original Message - From: michael cottingham To: Mark Grossman Cc: Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List WHO IS THE BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE? But Actually, Nininger did NOT personally find that many meteorites. That is the confusion. He is Great, I
Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE BESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
Hello, Well said... Best Wishes Michael Cottingham On Jul 15, 2009, at 9:17 PM, Mark Grossman wrote: I think what you say goes for any community. Certainly in the scientific ones. Take Robert Oppenheimer for example, who was director of the Manhattan project. A genius, and a charismatic figure. But he had a real caustic side also. If he felt that a student was asking an elementary question, he would humiliate him or her in front of the other students. But if he took a liking to you, it was completely different. Here was a man who did not win a Nobel prize, yet he supervised several Nobel prize winners. He was a man who was in charge of a billions of dollars worth of spending, but his only prior budgetary experience was at a university Department of Physics. In spite of all his genius and charisma, it was still his caustic side - the failure to treat all people who did not have his intelligence - the newcomers for lack of a better word - that was his downfall. No, I don't think the meteorite community is any different than other types of communities. You have all types of people. Some are more vocal than others. But the true greats - and they are few and far between in any field of endeavor - have the smarts as well as empathy for the people who they deal with - and they are not out to prove anything to anyone. The accomplishments speak louder than the words. Mark Grossman - Original Message - From: GREG LINDH gee...@msn.com To: mar...@westnet.com Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:02 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Question For The List WHO IS THE BESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE? Hi Mark, I don't know whether Bob Haag is the best hunter/collector, but I can tell you that he is the nicest guy you could want to know, and that is a rare thing in the meteorite community. I met him at the Tucson show a couple of years ago and he knew that I was a newbie and that I couldn't even begin to afford the stuff he was selling, but he took *a lot* of his time and just talked and encouraged me. I'll tell you what, that is a *rare* thing to see in this community. Greg From: mar...@westnet.com To: mikew...@gilanet.com Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:13:38 -0400 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List WHO IS THE BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE? Trust me, you don't want to know! I am an industrial hygienist, and the profession has changed so much over the years. It used to be about protecting worker health and safety - now so much of the profession is devoted to mold investigation, asbestos remediation and lead remediation. It frequently comes down to chasing the almighty dollar. Perhaps things will change with the new administration in Washington, but I really don't know. In any event, sorry to go off topic for a moment. Back to business - I am fairly new to the meteorite field, but the name Bob Haag comes to my mind. Whether this is a reasonable choice, I don't know. But this will give you an indication of who new people coming to the hobby think - right or wrong. I will leave it for others on the list to discuss the merits. But when I think of physics, I think Einstein. When I think of Chemistry, I think Lavoisier. Granted, these are deceased. But I feel really strongly about the concept. The great people, whoever they are and in whatever field, just become known by their accomplishments, regardless of any promotion and hype. If it's just promotion and hype, they are soon forgotten, so history becomes the ultimate judge. In any event, thanks for the question! Kind of interesting! Mark - Original Message - From: michael cottingham To: Mark Grossman Cc: Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List WHO IS THE BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE? Hello, I can agree with what you say... I am now actually very curious about who the best mold investigator is though?!! Best Wishes Michael On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:54 PM, Mark Grossman wrote: You have the advantage on me here. But regardless, the concept holds true for whatever field. If you have to ask who is the best, and there is confustion in the particular community, THE best is yet to be determined. Holds true for meteorite hunters as well as any other professionals (in my opinion, that is!) Believe me, if there is a mold investigator who is the best without question, there is - or eventually will be - a meteorite hunter who everyone acknowledges is THE best. Mark - Original Message - From: michael cottingham To: Mark Grossman Cc: Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List WHO IS THE BEST
Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE BESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
Hi Mark, I understand the points you made in your post and for the most part I agree with them. Your strongest point, and the one I agree with the most is the last sentence in your post. It follows: But the true greats - and they are few and far between in any field of endeavor - have the smarts as well as empathy for the people who they deal with - and they are not out to prove anything to anyone. The accomplishments speak louder than the words. How right you are. Too bad there are so few that have both smarts *and* empathy - and aren't out to prove anything to anyone. Greg Lindh From: mar...@westnet.com To: gee...@msn.com CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List WHO IS THE BESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE? Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:17:16 -0400 I think what you say goes for any community. Certainly in the scientific ones. Take Robert Oppenheimer for example, who was director of the Manhattan project. A genius, and a charismatic figure. But he had a real caustic side also. If he felt that a student was asking an elementary question, he would humiliate him or her in front of the other students. But if he took a liking to you, it was completely different. Here was a man who did not win a Nobel prize, yet he supervised several Nobel prize winners. He was a man who was in charge of a billions of dollars worth of spending, but his only prior budgetary experience was at a university Department of Physics. In spite of all his genius and charisma, it was still his caustic side - the failure to treat all people who did not have his intelligence - the newcomers for lack of a better word - that was his downfall. No, I don't think the meteorite community is any different than other types of communities. You have all types of people. Some are more vocal than others. But the true greats - and they are few and far between in any field of endeavor - have the smarts as well as empathy for the people who they deal with - and they are not out to prove anything to anyone. The accomplishments speak louder than the words. Mark Grossman - Original Message - From: GREG LINDH To: Cc: meteorite-list Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:02 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Question For The List WHO IS THE BESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE? Hi Mark, I don't know whether Bob Haag is the best hunter/collector, but I can tell you that he is the nicest guy you could want to know, and that is a rare thing in the meteorite community. I met him at the Tucson show a couple of years ago and he knew that I was a newbie and that I couldn't even begin to afford the stuff he was selling, but he took *a lot* of his time and just talked and encouraged me. I'll tell you what, that is a *rare* thing to see in this community. Greg From: mar...@westnet.com To: mikew...@gilanet.com Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:13:38 -0400 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List WHO IS THE BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE? Trust me, you don't want to know! I am an industrial hygienist, and the profession has changed so much over the years. It used to be about protecting worker health and safety - now so much of the profession is devoted to mold investigation, asbestos remediation and lead remediation. It frequently comes down to chasing the almighty dollar. Perhaps things will change with the new administration in Washington, but I really don't know. In any event, sorry to go off topic for a moment. Back to business - I am fairly new to the meteorite field, but the name Bob Haag comes to my mind. Whether this is a reasonable choice, I don't know. But this will give you an indication of who new people coming to the hobby think - right or wrong. I will leave it for others on the list to discuss the merits. But when I think of physics, I think Einstein. When I think of Chemistry, I think Lavoisier. Granted, these are deceased. But I feel really strongly about the concept. The great people, whoever they are and in whatever field, just become known by their accomplishments, regardless of any promotion and hype. If it's just promotion and hype, they are soon forgotten, so history becomes the ultimate judge. In any event, thanks for the question! Kind of interesting! Mark - Original Message - From: michael cottingham To: Mark Grossman Cc: Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List WHO IS THE BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE? Hello, I can agree with what you say... I am now actually very curious about who the best mold investigator is though?!! Best Wishes Michael On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:54
Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE BESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
Yes, it is very, very sad that in all fields of endeavors, these type of people are so rare indeed. And I must say, that having pursued graduate school in chemistry, the scientists - just lilke the meteorite hunters, dealers and collectors as well -have the best and the worst, just like any other field of endeavor. Mark Grossman - Original Message - From: GREG LINDH gee...@msn.com To: mar...@westnet.com Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:24 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Question For The List WHO IS THE BESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE? Hi Mark, I understand the points you made in your post and for the most part I agree with them. Your strongest point, and the one I agree with the most is the last sentence in your post. It follows: But the true greats - and they are few and far between in any field of endeavor - have the smarts as well as empathy for the people who they deal with - and they are not out to prove anything to anyone. The accomplishments speak louder than the words. How right you are. Too bad there are so few that have both smarts *and* empathy - and aren't out to prove anything to anyone. Greg Lindh From: mar...@westnet.com To: gee...@msn.com CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List WHO IS THE BESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE? Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:17:16 -0400 I think what you say goes for any community. Certainly in the scientific ones. Take Robert Oppenheimer for example, who was director of the Manhattan project. A genius, and a charismatic figure. But he had a real caustic side also. If he felt that a student was asking an elementary question, he would humiliate him or her in front of the other students. But if he took a liking to you, it was completely different. Here was a man who did not win a Nobel prize, yet he supervised several Nobel prize winners. He was a man who was in charge of a billions of dollars worth of spending, but his only prior budgetary experience was at a university Department of Physics. In spite of all his genius and charisma, it was still his caustic side - the failure to treat all people who did not have his intelligence - the newcomers for lack of a better word - that was his downfall. No, I don't think the meteorite community is any different than other types of communities. You have all types of people. Some are more vocal than others. But the true greats - and they are few and far between in any field of endeavor - have the smarts as well as empathy for the people who they deal with - and they are not out to prove anything to anyone. The accomplishments speak louder than the words. Mark Grossman - Original Message - From: GREG LINDH To: Cc: meteorite-list Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:02 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Question For The List WHO IS THE BESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE? Hi Mark, I don't know whether Bob Haag is the best hunter/collector, but I can tell you that he is the nicest guy you could want to know, and that is a rare thing in the meteorite community. I met him at the Tucson show a couple of years ago and he knew that I was a newbie and that I couldn't even begin to afford the stuff he was selling, but he took *a lot* of his time and just talked and encouraged me. I'll tell you what, that is a *rare* thing to see in this community. Greg From: mar...@westnet.com To: mikew...@gilanet.com Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:13:38 -0400 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List WHO IS THE BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE? Trust me, you don't want to know! I am an industrial hygienist, and the profession has changed so much over the years. It used to be about protecting worker health and safety - now so much of the profession is devoted to mold investigation, asbestos remediation and lead remediation. It frequently comes down to chasing the almighty dollar. Perhaps things will change with the new administration in Washington, but I really don't know. In any event, sorry to go off topic for a moment. Back to business - I am fairly new to the meteorite field, but the name Bob Haag comes to my mind. Whether this is a reasonable choice, I don't know. But this will give you an indication of who new people coming to the hobby think - right or wrong. I will leave it for others on the list to discuss the merits. But when I think of physics, I think Einstein. When I think of Chemistry, I think Lavoisier. Granted, these are deceased. But I feel really strongly about the concept. The great people, whoever they are and in whatever field, just become known by their accomplishments, regardless of any promotion and hype. If it's just
